' Brexit Strategy '

What Brexit strategy? It's the last throes of a fading empire. You can only divide and rule by using the EU for so long. Once the majority of people realise their lives haven't improved one jot by getting out (simply because our corrupt and unequal system will carry on) , then they'll have to face the facts that the EU wasn't the cause of our problems, but neo-liberal politics perpetrated by both Tories, Liberals and Labour.

What Brexit strategy? It's the last throes of a fading empire. You can only divide and rule by using the EU for so long. Once the majority of people realise their lives haven't improved one jot by getting out (simply because our corrupt and unequal system will carry on) , then they'll have to face the facts that the EU wasn't the cause of our problems, but neo-liberal politics perpetrated by both Tories, Liberals and Labour.

Time will tell but certainly I for one is not going to disagree with you here. In fact I tend to agree and the only difference we will have is we will be able to point the finger at our own instead of being told its them over there.

It's a total farce on or out no difference to the average man. People voted leave because of unelected dictators as they say. Don't they realise our country is run by the unelected they call them civil servants. The ministers are just the puppets. Makes me laugh that leavers think things are going to change and that they going to change for the better lmao.

Just so you understand...

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 36196.html

told you so..

Just so you understand...

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 36196.html

told you so..

still, its not all bad, we got our country back

Just so you understand...

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 36196.html

told you so..

Might not!!!! Doesn't say will not does it? Besides lot of the money given by EU which we contribute to goes on usless projects like cycle ways no one uses and roads that are ten years to late!

We don't know how long EU funding was going to last in a region of the second richest country in the EU. Lets face it, the EU has a lot of problem that will all need to be financed.

I have two friends that are both divorced. One was amicable, they just grew apart. Their divorce was quick, relatively painless and the kids are happy. The other one was a nasty solicitor driven fest that cost a fortune and my mate and his ex wife became even more entrenched and now hate each other.

We needed to leave. They all (except Sweden,Denmark & Poland) need much closer integration if the Euro is to succeed. We were never going to want further powers transferred.
We can do this amicably. I don't think the technocrats of the EU want that, but a different world approaches next year with the heads of the state having to go to their countries which doesn't always bode well for the status quo.

I think the EU has scored an OG not starting basic negotiations before A50 has been triggered. Concessions or realignment of rules for non Euro countries and a fresh referendum probably would have swung the 700K the remainers and regretter (as if another fake news item) would have required.

Fun read!

The calls for a second referendum seem to revolve around

1. We were lied to
2. We don't understand what we voted for.

If we go on the evidence of this thread.

On point one most people didn't need a red bus or stories about immigration to vote for BREXIT. They live with the consequences of mass immigration every day when we can't get GP appointments, seeing the NHS is stretched to breaking point, wages are suppressed and it is impossible to get social housing. The fact this country’s population increases every year by the size of a city like Coventry cannot be divorced from those facts in any way.

On point two it seems the remainers are complaining they didn't get enough time to frighten us into changing our minds last time. All their 'stories' revolve around 'if's' maybes' and 'could happens'. In other words project fear and they want another go so they can up the ante and peddle us even more horror stories about the UK sinking into a black hole due to our EU exit.

The real reason for project fear is to protect the interests of the City of London and London in general. For decades the regions have been sacrificed in order to protect the sacred cow of the financial centre. Our reward? The 2008 crash the consequences of which we are still dealing with today nearly a decade later.

I say bollocks to globalisation in the name of financial services. Let the bankers go and bring back proper jobs to the regions such as manufacturing. London has had it good for too long at the expense of everyone else and it's time for us to stick 2 fingers up to them and start doing something for our communities instead of losing out to keep robbing dishonest wankers in their overpaid unworthy jobs.

Call me Dave and Gideon always said "we're all in his together", the referendum ensured the group that wasn't that affected were dragged in.

What the educated "middle earners" didn't realise is that when you have FA there's little down side to rolling the dice

The calls for a second referendum seem to revolve around

1. We were lied to
2. We don't understand what we voted for.

If we go on the evidence of this thread.

On point one most people didn't need a red bus or stories about immigration to vote for BREXIT. They live with the consequences of mass immigration every day when we can't get GP appointments, seeing the NHS is stretched to breaking point, wages are suppressed and it is impossible to get social housing. The fact this country’s population increases every year by the size of a city like Coventry cannot be divorced from those facts in any way.

On point two it seems the remainers are complaining they didn't get enough time to frighten us into changing our minds last time. All their 'stories' revolve around 'if's' maybes' and 'could happens'. In other words project fear and they want another go so they can up the ante and peddle us even more horror stories about the UK sinking into a black hole due to our EU exit.

The real reason for project fear is to protect the interests of the City of London and London in general. For decades the regions have been sacrificed in order to protect the sacred cow of the financial centre. Our reward? The 2008 crash the consequences of which we are still dealing with today nearly a decade later.

I say bollocks to globalisation in the name of financial services. Let the bankers go and bring back proper jobs to the regions such as manufacturing. London has had it good for too long at the expense of everyone else and it's time for us to stick 2 fingers up to them and start doing something for our communities instead of losing out to keep robbing dishonest wankers in their overpaid unworthy jobs.

Hmm some good points there but pretty one sided. There's are positives as well to the points you highlight negatively.

So you really honestly believe things will change when we leave if there no 2 no vote to make sure we get the brexit the voters want??

Ps when you going to make that apology to chef evans like you said he would if he was found guilty?? Shame you let yourself down as you come across as a honourable sensible poster. Which you clearly not.

The calls for a second referendum seem to revolve around

1. We were lied to
2. We don't understand what we voted for.

If we go on the evidence of this thread.

On point one most people didn't need a red bus or stories about immigration to vote for BREXIT. They live with the consequences of mass immigration every day when we can't get GP appointments, seeing the NHS is stretched to breaking point, wages are suppressed and it is impossible to get social housing. The fact this country’s population increases every year by the size of a city like Coventry cannot be divorced from those facts in any way.

On point two it seems the remainers are complaining they didn't get enough time to frighten us into changing our minds last time. All their 'stories' revolve around 'if's' maybes' and 'could happens'. In other words project fear and they want another go so they can up the ante and peddle us even more horror stories about the UK sinking into a black hole due to our EU exit.

The real reason for project fear is to protect the interests of the City of London and London in general. For decades the regions have been sacrificed in order to protect the sacred cow of the financial centre. Our reward? The 2008 crash the consequences of which we are still dealing with today nearly a decade later.

I say bollocks to globalisation in the name of financial services. Let the bankers go and bring back proper jobs to the regions such as manufacturing. London has had it good for too long at the expense of everyone else and it's time for us to stick 2 fingers up to them and start doing something for our communities instead of losing out to keep robbing dishonest wankers in their overpaid unworthy jobs.

The calls for a second referendum seem to revolve around

1. We were lied to
2. We don't understand what we voted for.

If we go on the evidence of this thread.

On point one most people didn't need a red bus or stories about immigration to vote for BREXIT. They live with the consequences of mass immigration every day when we can't get GP appointments, seeing the NHS is stretched to breaking point, wages are suppressed and it is impossible to get social housing. The fact this country’s population increases every year by the size of a city like Coventry cannot be divorced from those facts in any way.

On point two it seems the remainers are complaining they didn't get enough time to frighten us into changing our minds last time. All their 'stories' revolve around 'if's' maybes' and 'could happens'. In other words project fear and they want another go so they can up the ante and peddle us even more horror stories about the UK sinking into a black hole due to our EU exit.

The real reason for project fear is to protect the interests of the City of London and London in general. For decades the regions have been sacrificed in order to protect the sacred cow of the financial centre. Our reward? The 2008 crash the consequences of which we are still dealing with today nearly a decade later.

I say bollocks to globalisation in the name of financial services. Let the bankers go and bring back proper jobs to the regions such as manufacturing. London has had it good for too long at the expense of everyone else and it's time for us to stick 2 fingers up to them and start doing something for our communities instead of losing out to keep robbing dishonest wankers in their overpaid unworthy jobs.

do you mean like chief Brexiteer Farage; as a city banker you are right when you say he is a robbing, dishonest wanker in an unworthy job; you've summed him up perfectly... And not only is he a dishonest wanker by being a city banker, he is also on the MEP gravy train with a massive pension and expense account. No doubt he's laughing his head off at the lot of you who couldn't see through it and believed his man of the people scam.

The calls for a second referendum seem to revolve around

1. We were lied to
2. We don't understand what we voted for.

If we go on the evidence of this thread.

On point one most people didn't need a red bus or stories about immigration to vote for BREXIT. They live with the consequences of mass immigration every day when we can't get GP appointments, seeing the NHS is stretched to breaking point, wages are suppressed and it is impossible to get social housing. The fact this country’s population increases every year by the size of a city like Coventry cannot be divorced from those facts in any way.

On point two it seems the remainers are complaining they didn't get enough time to frighten us into changing our minds last time. All their 'stories' revolve around 'if's' maybes' and 'could happens'. In other words project fear and they want another go so they can up the ante and peddle us even more horror stories about the UK sinking into a black hole due to our EU exit.

The real reason for project fear is to protect the interests of the City of London and London in general. For decades the regions have been sacrificed in order to protect the sacred cow of the financial centre. Our reward? The 2008 crash the consequences of which we are still dealing with today nearly a decade later.

I say bollocks to globalisation in the name of financial services. Let the bankers go and bring back proper jobs to the regions such as manufacturing. London has had it good for too long at the expense of everyone else and it's time for us to stick 2 fingers up to them and start doing something for our communities instead of losing out to keep robbing dishonest wankers in their overpaid unworthy jobs.

do you mean like chief Brexiteer Farage; as a city banker you are right when you say he is a robbing, dishonest wanker in an unworthy job; you've summed him up perfectly... And not only is he a dishonest wanker by being a city banker, he is also on the MEP gravy train with a massive pension and expense account. No doubt he's laughing his head off at the lot of you who couldn't see through it and believed his man of the people scam.

You just lost the argument farage was never a banker so it's you who obviously doesn't research thing.

The calls for a second referendum seem to revolve around

1. We were lied to
2. We don't understand what we voted for.

If we go on the evidence of this thread.

On point one most people didn't need a red bus or stories about immigration to vote for BREXIT. They live with the consequences of mass immigration every day when we can't get GP appointments, seeing the NHS is stretched to breaking point, wages are suppressed and it is impossible to get social housing. The fact this country’s population increases every year by the size of a city like Coventry cannot be divorced from those facts in any way.

On point two it seems the remainers are complaining they didn't get enough time to frighten us into changing our minds last time. All their 'stories' revolve around 'if's' maybes' and 'could happens'. In other words project fear and they want another go so they can up the ante and peddle us even more horror stories about the UK sinking into a black hole due to our EU exit.

The real reason for project fear is to protect the interests of the City of London and London in general. For decades the regions have been sacrificed in order to protect the sacred cow of the financial centre. Our reward? The 2008 crash the consequences of which we are still dealing with today nearly a decade later.

I say bollocks to globalisation in the name of financial services. Let the bankers go and bring back proper jobs to the regions such as manufacturing. London has had it good for too long at the expense of everyone else and it's time for us to stick 2 fingers up to them and start doing something for our communities instead of losing out to keep robbing dishonest wankers in their overpaid unworthy jobs.

I disagree those are the main reasons for a second referendum. Yes there were incredible mistruths and great unknowns, many of these voters as a result have now changed their minds - an awful base for such a huge vote that was essentially won by just 2%. The situation now is a thousand times clearer than it was a year ago and we can have a more informed voting group. But the main reason for me, is that we currently have a case where we are changing the landscape of our whole country that 65% of its voting population did not vote for. In order for change, then I think the majority needs to rule, so essentially 23million votes.

The calls for a second referendum seem to revolve around

1. We were lied to
2. We don't understand what we voted for.

If we go on the evidence of this thread.

On point one most people didn't need a red bus or stories about immigration to vote for BREXIT. They live with the consequences of mass immigration every day when we can't get GP appointments, seeing the NHS is stretched to breaking point, wages are suppressed and it is impossible to get social housing. The fact this country’s population increases every year by the size of a city like Coventry cannot be divorced from those facts in any way.

On point two it seems the remainers are complaining they didn't get enough time to frighten us into changing our minds last time. All their 'stories' revolve around 'if's' maybes' and 'could happens'. In other words project fear and they want another go so they can up the ante and peddle us even more horror stories about the UK sinking into a black hole due to our EU exit.

The real reason for project fear is to protect the interests of the City of London and London in general. For decades the regions have been sacrificed in order to protect the sacred cow of the financial centre. Our reward? The 2008 crash the consequences of which we are still dealing with today nearly a decade later.

I say bollocks to globalisation in the name of financial services. Let the bankers go and bring back proper jobs to the regions such as manufacturing. London has had it good for too long at the expense of everyone else and it's time for us to stick 2 fingers up to them and start doing something for our communities instead of losing out to keep robbing dishonest wankers in their overpaid unworthy jobs.

do you mean like chief Brexiteer Farage; as a city banker you are right when you say he is a robbing, dishonest wanker in an unworthy job; you've summed him up perfectly... And not only is he a dishonest wanker by being a city banker, he is also on the MEP gravy train with a massive pension and expense account. No doubt he's laughing his head off at the lot of you who couldn't see through it and believed his man of the people scam.

You just lost the argument farage was never a banker so it's you who obviously doesn't research thing.

so the man of the people never worked in the city of London, never had a privileged background or took a penny from the EU in salary, expenses and pension? I'll concede he wasn't technically a banker, but he obviously believes himself to have come from a more worthy occupation than a pioneering heart surgeon who he said had never done an honest days work in his life...

The calls for a second referendum seem to revolve around

1. We were lied to
2. We don't understand what we voted for.

If we go on the evidence of this thread.

On point one most people didn't need a red bus or stories about immigration to vote for BREXIT. They live with the consequences of mass immigration every day when we can't get GP appointments, seeing the NHS is stretched to breaking point, wages are suppressed and it is impossible to get social housing. The fact this country’s population increases every year by the size of a city like Coventry cannot be divorced from those facts in any way.

On point two it seems the remainers are complaining they didn't get enough time to frighten us into changing our minds last time. All their 'stories' revolve around 'if's' maybes' and 'could happens'. In other words project fear and they want another go so they can up the ante and peddle us even more horror stories about the UK sinking into a black hole due to our EU exit.

The real reason for project fear is to protect the interests of the City of London and London in general. For decades the regions have been sacrificed in order to protect the sacred cow of the financial centre. Our reward? The 2008 crash the consequences of which we are still dealing with today nearly a decade later.

I say bollocks to globalisation in the name of financial services. Let the bankers go and bring back proper jobs to the regions such as manufacturing. London has had it good for too long at the expense of everyone else and it's time for us to stick 2 fingers up to them and start doing something for our communities instead of losing out to keep robbing dishonest wankers in their overpaid unworthy jobs.

do you mean like chief Brexiteer Farage; as a city banker you are right when you say he is a robbing, dishonest wanker in an unworthy job; you've summed him up perfectly... And not only is he a dishonest wanker by being a city banker, he is also on the MEP gravy train with a massive pension and expense account. No doubt he's laughing his head off at the lot of you who couldn't see through it and believed his man of the people scam.

You just lost the argument farage was never a banker so it's you who obviously doesn't research thing.

so the man of the people never worked in the city of London, never had a privileged background or took a penny from the EU in salary, expenses and pension? I'll concede he wasn't technically a banker, but he obviously believes himself to have come from a more worthy occupation than a pioneering heart surgeon who he said had never done an honest days work in his life...

He was a commodities trader!
Shouldn't he get a salary?
You may find he is nowhere near as wealthy as you make out.

Of course anyone who does a job should get a salary, but don't you think it just a little bit hypocritical to accept all of the benefits of being an MEP?

Even the Daily Express states he comes from a privileged background.