' Who wants in? and who wants out? '

I'm in. I think there is far too much focus on the negatives of the EU and not enough concentration on the positives. We should learn from the mistakes of the US when it tried to go it alone after World War I. It did not work. We are not a self-sufficient country any more so we will need a lot more countries more than they need us. It's better to remain a part of the EU and play a part in its positive evolution than just break away and go it alone. Isolation never ends well for the country that makes the parting decision.

I agree, we are better off & safer staying

You should be more concerned about Spain staying in it shouldn't you?

Spain are staying in the EU don't you worry

Stan B: Are you talking about migrants or refugees?

Migrants.

If people want hundreds of thousands of money-grabbing unemployable migrants forced upon the UK then vote to stay in. Otherwise vote out. The choice is simple really. Continue into oblivion or get us out of the shit.

If you only need one reason to vote OUT, it should be TTIP. Out for me and opposition to TTIP is the reason. The only way to get out of it is to get out of the EU which along with the USA is the mastermind behind it. If you don't know what TTIP is, suggest you read up on it and be scared, very f***ing scared!!

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Unfortunately the vast majority lap up what written in the Brexit media-Sky News, Star, Sun, Daily Mail, Daily Express....

The truth is that for every £1 Wales gives Europe we get £10 back.

Now, in or out of Europe wouldn't change much in middle or the south of England but here in Wales so much of the little we have depends on Europe. Fine, they might have wealth in London and the s.e but Wales is still regarded as one of the poorest area in Europe, poorer than Romania, poorer than Poland, most areas of Wales still qualify for Objective 1 funding because of this.
Do you honestly believe that a London government having left the EU would invest in Wales on the same scale?
They never have done and never will.

Unfortunately you are lapping up the bollocks by Middle Class Plaid voters in Pontcanna as well as believing everything the BBC and the Unions tell you.

You want Welsh independence, a noble cause indeed. But when Scotland went for it the EU told them they would be kicked out and would have to re apply. The likelihood being Spain would veto their membership thus keeping them out. What an odd position you have taken. You want to be part of the EU but don't want to be part of the UK when to be part of the EU the EU have made clear we have to be part of the UK to ensure membership.

Don't always agree with you, and don't here, but enjoy your posts. So I have a question - slightly off-topic.

O'Donnell asked this tonight: is there a danger that the EU vote is being turned into a battle between Boris Johnson and George Osborne for the Tory leadership?

It is but that's the fault of the left and Labour being so silent on the matter. I believe Corbyn just can't bring himself to campaign to stay in something he's campaigned to leave all these years. Him and Cameron were Eurosceptics until they got into power and now they want us all to stay in, it's ridiculous. The media are concentrating on the fractures of the Tories because UKIP are best left out of it and Labour have had nothing constructive to say.

' Who wants in? and who wants out of the EU?

I'm out

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Reasons as well please

That could mean that you could not stay in Spain of course!

What nonsense, we better send back all those Pakistani, Somali, Nigerian etc etc immigrants then. Those countries aren't in the EU and by your logic they can't stay here. Stop scaremongering Bluegog you halfwit.

' Who wants in? and who wants out of the EU?

I'm out

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Reasons as well please

That could mean that you could not stay in Spain of course!

What nonsense, we better send back all those Pakistani, Somali, Nigerian etc etc immigrants then. Those countries aren't in the EU and by your logic they can't stay here. Stop scaremongering Bluegog you halfwit.

Bit out of order singling out Pakistani,Somalis & Nigerians

' Who wants in? and who wants out of the EU?

I'm out

?

Reasons as well please

That could mean that you could not stay in Spain of course!

What nonsense, we better send back all those Pakistani, Somali, Nigerian etc etc immigrants then. Those countries aren't in the EU and by your logic they can't stay here. Stop scaremongering Bluegog you halfwit.

Bit out of order singling out Pakistani,Somalis & Nigerians

What you whittling on about now? Read it properly.

Unfortunately the vast majority lap up what written in the Brexit media-Sky News, Star, Sun, Daily Mail, Daily Express....

The truth is that for every £1 Wales gives Europe we get £10 back.

Now, in or out of Europe wouldn't change much in middle or the south of England but here in Wales so much of the little we have depends on Europe. Fine, they might have wealth in London and the s.e but Wales is still regarded as one of the poorest area in Europe, poorer than Romania, poorer than Poland, most areas of Wales still qualify for Objective 1 funding because of this.
Do you honestly believe that a London government having left the EU would invest in Wales on the same scale?
They never have done and never will.

Well lets hope the majority do lap up the Brexit media. Instead of the cowardly, hiding behind others, let someone else make the decisions, just keep my handouts coming, brigade.
If we are poorer than Poland and Romania, why are so many over here? If we are poorer, what does that say about the Welsh Assembly after 17 years of uninterrupted rule by the labour party?



Why could any Welshman want to live off handouts? Let's get our pride back and manage our own affairs. Live or die by our own means and decisions.

I totally agree with your last sentence, I'm for Welsh independence too, good for you!

Now I have either misunderstood you or you are contradicting yourself.
How can you want Welsh independence but the UK to be ruled by the EU? That contradicts itself.

' Who wants in? and who wants out of the EU?

I'm out

?

Reasons as well please

That could mean that you could not stay in Spain of course!

What nonsense, we better send back all those Pakistani, Somali, Nigerian etc etc immigrants then. Those countries aren't in the EU and by your logic they can't stay here. Stop scaremongering Bluegog you halfwit.

Bit out of order singling out Pakistani,Somalis & Nigerians

What you whittling on about now? Read it properly.

I have fella you said send back all those Pakistani,Somali,Nigerian etc etc immigrants,coming from somebody who has grown up with & schooled with a lot of decent Pakistani & Somali people who were born here your comments could be offensive to some

' Who wants in? and who wants out of the EU?

I'm out

?

Reasons as well please

That could mean that you could not stay in Spain of course!

What nonsense, we better send back all those Pakistani, Somali, Nigerian etc etc immigrants then. Those countries aren't in the EU and by your logic they can't stay here. Stop scaremongering Bluegog you halfwit.

Bit out of order singling out Pakistani,Somalis & Nigerians

What you whittling on about now? Read it properly.

I have fella you said send back all those Pakistani,Somali,Nigerian etc etc immigrants,coming from somebody who has grown up with & schooled with a lot of decent Pakistani & Somali people who were born here your comments could be offensive to some

Not very good at comprehension are you. You should be sent back to school with a skill set like yours. Read it again, then again, then again and again. Then you will see that I didn't say that at all. Little tip, look at the context. If you struggle with the long words don't be afraid to ask me.

' Who wants in? and who wants out of the EU?

I'm out

?

Reasons as well please

That could mean that you could not stay in Spain of course!

What nonsense, we better send back all those Pakistani, Somali, Nigerian etc etc immigrants then. Those countries aren't in the EU and by your logic they can't stay here. Stop scaremongering Bluegog you halfwit.

No you clearly did fella it's there above in black & white

Someone help Stephen out please, he's the one with big dunce hat on.

Bluegog says Annis may not be allowed to stay in Spain if we leave the EU. I then say by HIS logic (not mine) we may have to send back people from countries not in the EU I then listed Somalia, Nigeria and Pakistan (They aren't in the EU). I was not advocating that we do that.

Is that clear enough for you?

Someone help Stephen out please, he's the one with big dunce hat on.

Bluegog says Annis may not be allowed to stay in Spain if we leave the EU. I then say by HIS logic (not mine) we may have to send back people from countries not in the EU I then listed Somalia, Nigeria and Pakistan (They aren't in the EU). I was not advocating that we do that.

Is that clear enough for you?

No wonder the baseball league in Cardiff went tits up with halfwits like you in charge.

Here's my advice to you, grab one of your old baseball bats because you won't be needing that anymore, shine it up and shove up your arse you f*cking plank.

MODS: We need to introduce IQ tests for members before they sign up.

Unfortunately the vast majority lap up what written in the Brexit media-Sky News, Star, Sun, Daily Mail, Daily Express....

The truth is that for every £1 Wales gives Europe we get £10 back.

Now, in or out of Europe wouldn't change much in middle or the south of England but here in Wales so much of the little we have depends on Europe. Fine, they might have wealth in London and the s.e but Wales is still regarded as one of the poorest area in Europe, poorer than Romania, poorer than Poland, most areas of Wales still qualify for Objective 1 funding because of this.
Do you honestly believe that a London government having left the EU would invest in Wales on the same scale?
They never have done and never will.

Prove it ! You do know that most of money from the eu gets match funded by our tax payers money too !

Absolute rubbish!!! Actually the then Labour Government refused to match fund Objective 1 money in round 1. Successive governments have refused to fully match fund this money.
But the real question you should be asking yourself is why Wales needs this EU money when other regions of the UK don't. It's simply down to lack investment in Wales.

I think your wrong on match funding also labour government have underfunded projects in the Welsh assembly for years ,why do you think all the manufacturing jobs and steel jobs have left Wales ? It because of the eu !

A fine one you are to talk about hats if that's you in your profile pic

Stephendavid ffs have another read of his post

http://news.sky.com/story/1488832/eu-me ... st-leaving

A good article if your undecided.

I'm out but

A fine one you are to talk about hats if that's you in your profile pic

I don't think you read 48 post right he was saying if it was the case that expat have to come home then others in this country would be sent back which would never be the case ,that's how I read it

A fine one you are to talk about hats if that's you in your profile pic

I don't think you read 48 post right he was saying if it was the case that expat have to come home then others in this country would be sent back which would never be the case ,that's how I read it

Fair comment wez,I was just commenting about the singling out of(which he did say)Pakistani,Somali Nigerian races Etc etc that was all,the guy 1948 digs me out at every opportunity he follows me around on the forum & has a pop at me but as soon as I has a pop back as you can see he gets all abusive,personal etc..........what's the saying....oh yeh if you can't take it don't give it

A fine one you are to talk about hats if that's you in your profile pic

I don't think you read 48 post right he was saying if it was the case that expat have to come home then others in this country would be sent back which would never be the case ,that's how I read it

Fair comment wez,I was just commenting about the singling out of(which he did say)Pakistani,Somali Nigerian races Etc etc that was all,the guy 1948 digs me out at every opportunity he follows me around on the forum & has a pop at me but as soon as I has a pop back as you can see he gets all abusive,personal etc..........what's the saying....oh yeh if you can't take it don't give it

Alright next time i'll name every nationality on earth not in the EU just so I don't upset you. As for following you around, I had a go at Cluedos Allen in another thread and you thought I was having a go at you.

I give out what I take, many posters on here will testify to that, you mis read my post and called me a racist for it. You're just incredibly thick, the baseball never stood a chance sadly.

Someone help Stephen out please, he's the one with big dunce hat on.

Bluegog says Annis may not be allowed to stay in Spain if we leave the EU. I then say by HIS logic (not mine) we may have to send back people from countries not in the EU I then listed Somalia, Nigeria and Pakistan (They aren't in the EU). I was not advocating that we do that.

Is that clear enough for you?

On this note, it wouldn't make sense to just cut all ties with us exiting the EU, I'm sure there will be some sort of freedom of movement in place (a bit like the schengen visa), Benidorm would close down otherwise

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A fine one you are to talk about hats if that's you in your profile pic

I don't think you read 48 post right he was saying if it was the case that expat have to come home then others in this country would be sent back which would never be the case ,that's how I read it

Fair comment wez,I was just commenting about the singling out of(which he did say)Pakistani,Somali Nigerian races Etc etc that was all,the guy 1948 digs me out at every opportunity he follows me around on the forum & has a pop at me but as soon as I has a pop back as you can see he gets all abusive,personal etc..........what's the saying....oh yeh if you can't take it don't give it

Alright next time i'll name every nationality on earth not in the EU just so I don't upset you. As for following you around, I had a go at Cluedos Allen in another thread and you thought I was having a go at you.

I give out what I take, many posters on here will testify to that, you mis read my post and called me a racist for it. You're just incredibly thick, the baseball never stood a chance sadly.

There you go again,you can't help yourself can you?id bet money your one of them never kicked a ball in your life types that knows everything about the game...... you can't be all that bright mind yourself constantly abusing people can you lets be honest

Someone help Stephen out please, he's the one with big dunce hat on.

Bluegog says Annis may not be allowed to stay in Spain if we leave the EU. I then say by HIS logic (not mine) we may have to send back people from countries not in the EU I then listed Somalia, Nigeria and Pakistan (They aren't in the EU). I was not advocating that we do that.

Is that clear enough for you?

Stephen, there's no need to resort to the above when you can't argue properly!

Bluebird since 1948 is correct in what he says but you obviously can't grasp the context of it, which is worrying when you have such a vocal view on where the UK should go next!

The truth is that for every £1 Wales gives Europe we get £10 back.

An interesting read from Chris Carter in 'The Commentator'

Britain’s trade figures released by the ONS last week have provided further evidence of how the nation’s trading future lies outside the EU.

The UK’s trade deficit with the EU rose to an all-time high of £89 billion -- a figure which fully demonstrates the importance of Britain as the EU’s biggest single trade market. For those who have argued Britain would be prevented from securing a favourable trade deal following Brexit, the figures make humbling reading.

British importers and consumers have been propping up the economies of struggling eurozone countries -- including Spain and Italy -- alongside being vital markets for the economic heavyweights of France and Italy. This major imbalance should greatly strengthen the negotiating position of the UK post-Brexit, as the British Prime Minister could have simply threatened to walk away if he was not offered a good enough deal.

Such a decision would be disastrous for major European producers and manufacturers, such as German car manufactures, who would demand their respective governments offer Britain a better deal – despite the latest threats from Brussels they will make it hard for Britain with huge trade tarriffs. This is unlikely to happen, as they want to sell more to us then the other way around.

It is a shame Cameron instead decided to go into the negotiations shutting the proverbial door behind him, with his fellow EU leaders well aware he wants to keep Britain inside the EU -- at any cost. Instead of putting forward the deal he promised Britain in his famous Bloomberg speech, and being prepared to walk away if he did not succeed -- Cameron bottled it, abandoning any attempt to bring necessary reform to the EU.

What is undeniable is the EU is in decline as an economic force. In 2003 its share of the world economy was 30.7 percent. This has fallen to 23.7 percent and looks to drop below 20 percent by the end of the decade. Leaving would allow Britain to sign trade deals with countries like China and India, whose economies will dominate the 21st century.

The ONS figures for 2015 support this, revealing how UK sales to EU countries lagged behind its exports to the rest of the world, for a second year in a row. For 2015 the EU accounted for 47 percent of British exports -- a major decline from the 62 percent of 10 years ago. Indeed current projections place exports to the EU as low as 40% by 2019 -- further evidence of the EU’s declining importance to UK businesses.

Those who attempt to scare us into remaining will claim Britain is no longer economically powerful enough to secure important trade deals without the EU. This is a complete fallacy. An examination of the Trans-Pacific Partnership reveals how New Zealand -- a country 54th in world economic rankings -- has secured trading access to nearly 40 percent of global GDP. All this was achieved without the need for any political union.

We could ask why we should be sacrificing so much of our national sovereignty to gain access to such a small proportion of world trade. We should not permit the UK to be left behind in a declining Europe whilst the rest of the world speeds past us.

New Zealand and other TPP nations are signing vast trade deals, while the EU is instead focussing on maintaining its deeply flawed policies such as the borderless Schengen Zone. The federalists have hailed this as one of the EU’s landmark projects, yet we have seen its gradual demise as Brussels struggles to deal with the political and economic destabilisation which comes with unchecked migration flows.

The EU is at its heart protectionist. It’s more interested in protecting French farmers, Spanish fishermen and Italian designers, than securing trade deals with the rest of the world.

As the new ONS trade statistics demonstrate, Britain’s future looks rosier outside of the Union. If the world truly has reached Cold War levels of risk -- as the World Economic Forum suggests -- it makes no sense for our politicians to attach ourselves to the hip of a declining and stagnant economic entity, determined to secure political union at all costs.

To avoid further risk to Britain’s future, we must Get Britain Out.

' Who wants in? and who wants out of the EU?

I'm out

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Reasons as well please

That could mean that you could not stay in Spain of course!

Why not? ? ?

When I was 5yrs old, I lived there for 18months and parents 2yrs lived there under Franco.

Someone help Stephen out please, he's the one with big dunce hat on.

Bluegog says Annis may not be allowed to stay in Spain if we leave the EU. I then say by HIS logic (not mine) we may have to send back people from countries not in the EU I then listed Somalia, Nigeria and Pakistan (They aren't in the EU). I was not advocating that we do that.

Is that clear enough for you?

Stephen, there's no need to resort to the above when you can't argue properly!

Bluebird since 1948 is correct in what he says but you obviously can't grasp the context of it, which is worrying when you have such a vocal view on where the UK should go next!

Fella my point was nothing about on what the uk should do next it was of the SINGLING out of certain races in 1948s comment can you grasp that??that was my ONLY point that he shouldn't single out certain races