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Bye Roathy

Where did he go?

Some people believe everything written in the sun newspaper a paper owned and run by one of the biggest wankers in the world

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... -fear.html

Censorship is never the answer and that's what you’re asking for. You might consider yourself safe but there are others who pay the price for mass immigration i.e. jobs housing healthcare etc.

It's always the comfortable liberals who go around calling the forgotten working class racists for opposing immigration. Wait till it affects you directly and I can assure you your views will change.

I don't think I have asked for anything in my post and certainly not suggesting censorship is a problem solver for today's big issues.

I think I do consider myself safe in Cardiff and in the Welsh economy, relative to people who are in much worse living conditions across the world and I think that most people would do too if the shoe was on the other foot.

Have you or anyone you know been directly affected in the way you described in terms of job losses or healthcare issues and could you describe how? I am not challenging you on this but would be curious to know.

Do you think that a few thousand refugees will cause the Welsh economy to collapse or are there bigger risk issues to consider?

Nobody has called anyone a racist, but, whilst on the subject I would say that there are remarks made on here that go unopposed that probably are racist remarks. Which is a bit sad really considering Cardiff is a multicultural city and CCFC has a diverse squad. I appreciate not everything can be moderated but a great job is done when wanted.

Can you tell me what your understanding of a 'liberal' is as I am getting awfully confused on this site when I read the term 'liberal' / 'loony lefts' / 'human rights idiots', and then read remarks about the working class.

Out of interest can you also tell me who the 'working class' are, and which political party you would consider most in-line with looking after the interests of the working class?

By complaining about others discussing immigration and its impact you are passively trying to bring in censorship. The whole PC industry is there to suppress discontent and debate.

I have been affected by mass immigration especially in education and the fact you have to ask such a question shows you haven’t. It is easy to be generous and understanding when it doesn’t affect you.

I’m all for helping poorer countries build their economies but the notion that we can solve world poverty by allowing the rest of the world to live here is preposterous. I have been around a long time and believe me this is not about a “few thousand refugees”

Our whole social fabric is changing and when you see what is happening in heavily populated Muslim areas which work under Shia Law it is frightening. I fail to understand how Female Genital Mutilation or honour killings enhances our society? These are barbaric practices and the fact people like you wish to stem its debate is beyond comprehension.

Censorship is never the answer and that's what you’re asking for. You might consider yourself safe but there are others who pay the price for mass immigration i.e. jobs housing healthcare etc.

It's always the comfortable liberals who go around calling the forgotten working class racists for opposing immigration. Wait till it affects you directly and I can assure you your views will change.

I don't think I have asked for anything in my post and certainly not suggesting censorship is a problem solver for today's big issues.

I think I do consider myself safe in Cardiff and in the Welsh economy, relative to people who are in much worse living conditions across the world and I think that most people would do too if the shoe was on the other foot.

Have you or anyone you know been directly affected in the way you described in terms of job losses or healthcare issues and could you describe how? I am not challenging you on this but would be curious to know.

Do you think that a few thousand refugees will cause the Welsh economy to collapse or are there bigger risk issues to consider?

Nobody has called anyone a racist, but, whilst on the subject I would say that there are remarks made on here that go unopposed that probably are racist remarks. Which is a bit sad really considering Cardiff is a multicultural city and CCFC has a diverse squad. I appreciate not everything can be moderated but a great job is done when wanted.

Can you tell me what your understanding of a 'liberal' is as I am getting awfully confused on this site when I read the term 'liberal' / 'loony lefts' / 'human rights idiots', and then read remarks about the working class.

Out of interest can you also tell me who the 'working class' are, and which political party you would consider most in-line with looking after the interests of the working class?

By complaining about others discussing immigration and its impact you are passively trying to bring in censorship. The whole PC industry is there to suppress discontent and debate.

I have been affected by mass immigration especially in education and the fact you have to ask such a question shows you haven’t. It is easy to be generous and understanding when it doesn’t affect you.

I’m all for helping poorer countries build their economies but the notion that we can solve world poverty by allowing the rest of the world to live here is preposterous. I have been around a long time and believe me this is not about a “few thousand refugees”

Our whole social fabric is changing and when you see what is happening in heavily populated Muslim areas which work under Shia Law it is frightening. I fail to understand how Female Genital Mutilation or honour killings enhances our society? These are barbaric practices and the fact people like you wish to stem its debate is beyond comprehension.

Great post

Where did you copy and paste that from?

Everyone is being affected by immigration. (whether you know it directly, or not).
Schools, hospital and GP waiting times/resources etc, housing shortage, social services for older/vulnerable people.

Immigrants are accessing these services (the vast majority) having made no contribution and unlikely to ever make any meaningful one either.

Who decided we would live in a multi cultural society? I was never asked thats for sure. Where has it ever been a long term sustainable success in the world or historically?

The WORKING class are now mainly the self employed, small business people, those working for the small businesses, or larger private companies. They "work" and have responsibility and accountability in many cases, unlike the bloated public service employees.

I love the fact smakerz makes a very valid point about how he finds it amusing that people cling on to the word of newspapers designed to sensationalise and cause fear to toe in line with a specific rhetorric.

Then... Blissfully unaware, wez comes along first thing this morningbafter munching on his cereal, and posts a link to the Daily Mail's latest anti refugee article i honestly dont know how he gets through the day.

As a reply to the posts since who make another valid point regarding letting people have their say if they dont like immigration - i couldn't agree more. However having a view against immigration policies and racially discriminating people are wildly different things.

To say you don't like the Government letting too many people in is fine, completely fine. To say that these people are probably rapists, murderers, terrorists and pedophiles is quite the opposite. Have a go at the policies, not the how

I love the fact smakerz makes a very valid point about how he finds it amusing that people cling on to the word of newspapers designed to sensationalise and cause fear to toe in line with a specific rhetorric.

Then... Blissfully unaware, wez comes along first thing this morningbafter munching on his cereal, and posts a link to the Daily Mail's latest anti refugee article i honestly dont know how he gets through the day.

As a reply to the posts since who make another valid point regarding letting people have their say if they dont like immigration - i couldn't agree more. However having a view against immigration policies and racially discriminating people are wildly different things.

To say you don't like the Government letting too many people in is fine, completely fine. To say that these people are probably rapists, murderers, terrorists and pedophiles is quite the opposite. Have a go at the policies, not the how

Those poor refugees ,we need to help them! honest wake up SPOTLIGHT aka roathy

I generally ignore anything a I read in any paper tbh

The sun is a disgraceful paper, the Mail has got worse and I find the telegraph etc amazingly biased towards the Conservative party

Some of the remarks made in the media about Jeremy corbyn of late are an absolute disgrace, people may not agree with what he says but telling blatant lies about him regarding rememberance day and him not respecting those fallen when there was clear photographic evidence of him doing far more than others there I find appalling and that is mainly down to the papers being extremely worried about what he would change to effect them should he get into power (which I don't think will happen mind you)

Add to that the asylum bollocks pedalled by the poor rags and the general doom and gloom and you'll find you have a much more fulfilling and enjoyable life if you don't read any of them or watch the news

My personal view is that as a country we are overcrowded that's evident in many towns and cities, traffic congestion waiting times at doctors and A&E etc, many crimes now simply not investigated and you get a crime number without olive attending scene, I would prefer we control our borders better but more so around European migration, the EU free movement so to speak means we virtually have no control over how many Europeans enter this country each year all then adding to the countries already overloaded services, add to that asylum and immigration and I wouldn't like to think how many people are entering Britain each year

I believe that if we want a better future for everyone that lives here then we need some form of control system in place but that doesn't mean I don't believe in helping out where we can as a nation in times of crisis such as in Syria even if a lot of what's happened out there and more of the Middle East could be attributed to our own involvement sometimes in affairs that I don't feel concern us

I love the fact smakerz makes a very valid point about how he finds it amusing that people cling on to the word of newspapers designed to sensationalise and cause fear to toe in line with a specific rhetorric.

Then... Blissfully unaware, wez comes along first thing this morningbafter munching on his cereal, and posts a link to the Daily Mail's latest anti refugee article i honestly dont know how he gets through the day.

As a reply to the posts since who make another valid point regarding letting people have their say if they dont like immigration - i couldn't agree more. However having a view against immigration policies and racially discriminating people are wildly different things.

To say you don't like the Government letting too many people in is fine, completely fine. To say that these people are probably rapists, murderers, terrorists and pedophiles is quite the opposite. Have a go at the policies, not the how

Those poor refugees ,we need to help them! honest wake up SPOTLIGHT aka roathy

We most certainly do. Wake up to what wesley? The fact you have called these peole rapists, pedophiles, murderers and terrorists? Aye that'll be it.

For shame.

I love the fact smakerz makes a very valid point about how he finds it amusing that people cling on to the word of newspapers designed to sensationalise and cause fear to toe in line with a specific rhetorric.

Then... Blissfully unaware, wez comes along first thing this morningbafter munching on his cereal, and posts a link to the Daily Mail's latest anti refugee article i honestly dont know how he gets through the day.

As a reply to the posts since who make another valid point regarding letting people have their say if they dont like immigration - i couldn't agree more. However having a view against immigration policies and racially discriminating people are wildly different things.

To say you don't like the Government letting too many people in is fine, completely fine. To say that these people are probably rapists, murderers, terrorists and pedophiles is quite the opposite. Have a go at the policies, not the how

Those poor refugees ,we need to help them! honest wake up SPOTLIGHT aka roathy

We most certainly do. Wake up to what wesley? The fact you have called these peole rapists, pedophiles, murderers and terrorists? Aye that'll be it.

For shame.

It's the truth tho some of them are and people like you are Willing to put our sons and daughters at risk ,shame on you ! You and your kind are a joke and a threat to national security

Some of every group of people are criminals you moron. Some welsh people are too, shall we send all welsh people to the moon and leave you on your own? Just in case?

Some of every group of people are criminals you moron. Some welsh people are too, shall we send all welsh people to the moon and leave you on your own? Just in case?

no we send them to jail coz they are Welsh or from this country but why should we put our children at risk letting God knows into the country ?????

Some of every group of people are criminals you moron. Some welsh people are too, shall we send all welsh people to the moon and leave you on your own? Just in case?

no we send them to jail coz they are Welsh or from this country but why should we put our children at risk letting God knows into the country ?????

And we would also send the people you are being radist towards to jail shoukd they do it. But nothing suggests they will just like nothing suggests you will. But by your standing, nobody shoukd let their kids near you just incase you rape them, we dont know you. Do your neighbourse have a rigt to be concerned about you, as you have said yiu have the right to be concerned about others?

That fair?

Splottlight - I really think saying some Welsh people are also peados, rapists and murderers is a moot point, they are already here and are not an imported problem. I am against allowing those in Calais and those from Syria into our country because we don't know who they are. It's unwise at the moment to allow every Tom, Dick and Mohamed here as you can see what's currently happening right across Europe.

However I do think Wez needs to realise that 99 per cent of refugees from Syria, are good decent people fleeing war. I also think the notion of Muslims taking over this country is hilarious, they have taken over vast swathes of our cities but are still make up a very small percentage of our population. I've suggest many times that we take in as many orphans and elderly people as possible, we have a duty to help people out and these people are unlikely to be criminals.

Splottlight - I really think saying some Welsh people are also peados, rapists and murderers is a moot point, they are already here and are not an imported problem. I am against allowing those in Calais and those from Syria into our country because we don't know who they are. It's unwise at the moment to allow every Tom, Dick and Mohamed here as you can see what's currently happening right across Europe.

However I do think Wez needs to realise that 99 per cent of refugees from Syria, are good decent people fleeing war. I also think the notion of Muslims taking over this country is hilarious, they have taken over vast swathes of our cities but are still make up a very small percentage of our population. I've suggest many times that we take in as many orphans and elderly people as possible, we have a duty to help people out and these people are unlikely to be criminals.

I agree with helping true Syrians refugees but it doesn't mean importanting them to our country they should be helped in sercure safe camps near to there homelands,where will it stop do we help all the worlds refugees whilst our own people are suffering too ?

Splottlight - I really think saying some Welsh people are also peados, rapists and murderers is a moot point, they are already here and are not an imported problem. I am against allowing those in Calais and those from Syria into our country because we don't know who they are. It's unwise at the moment to allow every Tom, Dick and Mohamed here as you can see what's currently happening right across Europe.

However I do think Wez needs to realise that 99 per cent of refugees from Syria, are good decent people fleeing war. I also think the notion of Muslims taking over this country is hilarious, they have taken over vast swathes of our cities but are still make up a very small percentage of our population. I've suggest many times that we take in as many orphans and elderly people as possible, we have a duty to help people out and these people are unlikely to be criminals.

I agree with helping true Syrians refugees but it doesn't mean importanting them to our country they should be helped in sercure safe camps near to there homelands,where will it stop do we help all the worlds refugees whilst our own people are suffering too ?

Our own people are suffering by and large down to the bad life choices they have made and that shouldn't be a reason for not helping others. Safe camps will not provide a good education or a good standard of living. There are very little opportunities in refugee camps. How can we not help the very people we have bombed for decades.

I say we should take in orphans under 10 years old who will then grow up as British people. They will love this country for saving them. Put them in homes where they will not be brainwashed by religion. I don't see the problem with that.

Splottlight - I really think saying some Welsh people are also peados, rapists and murderers is a moot point, they are already here and are not an imported problem. I am against allowing those in Calais and those from Syria into our country because we don't know who they are. It's unwise at the moment to allow every Tom, Dick and Mohamed here as you can see what's currently happening right across Europe.

However I do think Wez needs to realise that 99 per cent of refugees from Syria, are good decent people fleeing war. I also think the notion of Muslims taking over this country is hilarious, they have taken over vast swathes of our cities but are still make up a very small percentage of our population. I've suggest many times that we take in as many orphans and elderly people as possible, we have a duty to help people out and these people are unlikely to be criminals.

It was a tongue in cheek reference really to show wes that he is at miniscule risk from rapists/murderers/terrorists (delete scaremongering word as appropriate) daily, they are these sorts of people amongst every group of people the world over. It seems like a ridiculous fabricated fear in order to hide his prejudices behind. People coming here on holiday (millions per year) could rape someone, should we cancel holidays to this country? Of course not.

These people are fleeing from these hideous ridicals as we would be if it were on our shores. The last thing you would want is people of the country you have fleed to deciding to make up that you are a rapist just because they arent comfortable with the colour of your skin, spreading hatred and hyping tension towards you and your family when all you have done is escaped terrorists to seek a place to live where you do not have to live in fear of murder.

I agree with the vast majority of what you said though. I am ipone who doesn't see borders as defining human beings. I woukd just as happily help someone in France as I would in Port Talbot. They are people.

Splottlight - I really think saying some Welsh people are also peados, rapists and murderers is a moot point, they are already here and are not an imported problem. I am against allowing those in Calais and those from Syria into our country because we don't know who they are. It's unwise at the moment to allow every Tom, Dick and Mohamed here as you can see what's currently happening right across Europe.

However I do think Wez needs to realise that 99 per cent of refugees from Syria, are good decent people fleeing war. I also think the notion of Muslims taking over this country is hilarious, they have taken over vast swathes of our cities but are still make up a very small percentage of our population. I've suggest many times that we take in as many orphans and elderly people as possible, we have a duty to help people out and these people are unlikely to be criminals.

I agree with helping true Syrians refugees but it doesn't mean importanting them to our country they should be helped in sercure safe camps near to there homelands,where will it stop do we help all the worlds refugees whilst our own people are suffering too ?

Our own people are suffering by and large down to the bad life choices they have made and that shouldn't be a reason for not helping others. Safe camps will not provide a good education or a good standard of living. There are very little opportunities in refugee camps. How can we not help the very people we have bombed for decades.

I say we should take in orphans under 10 years old who will then grow up as British people. They will love this country for saving them. Put them in homes where they will not be brainwashed by religion. I don't see the problem with that.

maybe but you can't say everyone come to Britain. There has to be safe camps near to there homelands they got to go back where they are from when it's safe

Agree which is why we should only take kids. Give them British citizenship, tell them this is their home now. Remove all religious brainwashing, give them a good education and they will grow up to benefit this country hugely. Just because they are Syrian does not mean they do not have any potential.

Annis I hope you will read this as owner of the forum. This forum was quite key in keeping my interest in CCFC going towards the end of Dave Jones' tenure through providing tit bits to keep me going between games, so I am grateful to you for it. But as a passive user these days lately I have grown frustrated with all the posts on here about religion, politics refugee (sorry I know I am now perpetuating this) Great for people to have opinions, and these are obviously important current affairs, but I thought this was a CCFC site. Fine for people to say 'if you don't like it don't read it', well yes but my point is there's so much of it on here it's becoming an effort to filter out the CCFC stuff and it is putting me off checking the forum at all. I do think the forum moderators and yourself could do more to keep things CCFC led and be more politically neutral, or perhaps even to separate content better, but it is of course your forum to run as you wish and I have no experience in this area!

As a CCFC fan born and bred in Cardiff with friends and colleagues in Cardiff from all different backgrounds I sometimes feel that some of the comments written on here don't reflect the people of a thriving multi-cultural city, a city that I am proud to have been brought up in amongst many ethnic diversities.

This is not me preaching my personal beliefs but am curious to know what people's answers would be to the questions below. As alluded to above these topics seem to get most posts these days so hopefully people will respond.


Do you actually live in Cardiff?

Do you support a multi-cultural football team?

Do you know any muslims personally?

Do any of the muslims you know contribute to UK society in any meaningful way?

Have you ever experienced any issues personally with a with a muslim?

Have you ever experienced any issues personally with a non-muslim?

Do you see religious people in general as trouble makers and people who don’t contribute to UK society in any meaningful way?

Do you know any members of IS personally?

Is every white person a member of the KKK?

Are you aware that the media is tightly linked to politics and can have shared and / or independent agendas?

Do you form your own opinions from personal experiences or from what you see in the media?

Are you aware that the media does not / cannot / chooses not to report on everything?

Are you from a wealthy part of the UK?

Do you personally earn enough money not to be concerned with the welfare of others?

What do you think about the amount that footballers, bankers and CEO’s earn?

Are you a footballer, banker or CEO?

Do you see human rights as something that doesn’t apply to the UK as we already have comfortable lives?

Were any of your family members ever migrants from another country?

Do you know of or associate with any people with such backgrounds?

To your knowledge did their families just come to the UK for hand-outs?

To your knowledge do their families contribute to UK society in any meaningful way?

Have you ever been a refugee?

What would you do if Wales was invaded by another country and you had a family to protect?

What would you hope for from other countries and their people if you had to flee Wales?

Are you aware of how much tax evasion by big corporations costs the UK government?

Are you aware of how this compares against the potential costs of re-settling a quota of refugees in the UK?

Are you aware that some politicians have strong ties to private industries, and therefore can have vested interests in certain events occurring. For example a war could be a lucrative event to someone who has ties to an arms manufacture. Private jails could be lucrative to someone who has ties to security firms.

Are you aware that at a senior level a revolving door exists between politicians and private industry?

Are you aware that this means government policies can be produced by staff members who then go and work for companies that are directly affected by said policies?

This chap is sums it up perfectly and isn't frightened what the liberal left mong elite think or say. It's reality and not fiction.