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Re: Photos of what the people of Gaza really voted with HAMA

Sat Jul 26, 2014 9:20 am

Military Junta wrote:ISIS isn't an legitimate government through whereas the people of Gaza had their voices heard at the ballot box and choose Hamas to control their Government. Now Israel aside you just have to ask yourselves why Egypt doesn't want the boarder open and that's because even they don't trust Hamas and this is coming from a country should be on their side of the argument!!!!

Egypt aren't on their side since they overthrew their leader and sentenced god knows how many people to death, they want rid of Hamas now as well.

Re: Photos of what the people of Gaza really voted with HAMA

Sat Jul 26, 2014 9:28 am

antill_dunning wrote:
Military Junta wrote:ISIS isn't an legitimate government through whereas the people of Gaza had their voices heard at the ballot box and choose Hamas to control their Government. Now Israel aside you just have to ask yourselves why Egypt doesn't want the boarder open and that's because even they don't trust Hamas and this is coming from a country should be on their side of the argument!!!!

Egypt aren't on their side since they overthrew their leader and sentenced god knows how many people to death, they want rid of Hamas now as well.


The boarder was closed even when the Muslim brotherhood was in control of Egypt

Re: Photos of what the people of Gaza really voted with HAMA

Sat Jul 26, 2014 9:38 am

Israel have the power to wipe out Palestine in an instant with nuclear weapons. I dont believe that Israel are enjoying innocent people getting in the way, although Hamas put their rockets close to civilians, because they knew there would be condemnation. .. Rightly so.

but if your family were at home and every day there were rocks being chucked at your house with the odd one hitting and possibly injuring or killing a family member. What would you do.

yes, Israel is more powerful, but it has been taking these rocket attacks for years. Do you think when they are firing the rockets into Israel, they care if it hits one of their children, ffs Hamas put their own children at risk by placing rocket launchers near civilian places.

If Palestine had nuclear weapons, Israel would not exist because they would not hesitate to use them.

and no, I have no hatred of anyone

Re: Photos of what the people of Gaza really voted with HAMA

Sat Jul 26, 2014 9:45 am

Here's an interesting article by a Lebanese newspaper about the Egypt/Gaza boarder issue: http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Middle ... z38ZA23yKd

Re: Photos of what the people of Gaza really voted with HAMA

Sat Jul 26, 2014 9:58 am

shinyBlueGlue wrote:Israel have the power to wipe out Palestine in an instant with nuclear weapons. I dont believe that Israel are enjoying innocent people getting in the way, although Hamas put their rockets close to civilians, because they knew there would be condemnation. .. Rightly so.


You are right there, in that article above an Egyptian TV presenter Amany al-Khayat, accused Hamas of trying to promote its “resistance” image by letting Gazan civilians die, saying the group seeks to “wash its face ... with Palestinians’ blood.”

Re: Photos of what the people of Gaza really voted with HAMA

Sat Jul 26, 2014 10:19 am

Military Junta wrote:They supported groups which promote child bombers


That child is not wearing a bomb. All children like wearing military clothing. These people grow up in oppression. You have no idea what you're talking about.

Stop spouting bollocks.

Re: Photos of what the people of Gaza really voted with HAMA

Sat Jul 26, 2014 10:23 am

Karl wrote:
Military Junta wrote:They supported groups which promote child bombers


That child is not wearing a bomb. All children like wearing military clothing. These people grow up in oppression. You have no idea what you're talking about.

Stop spouting bollocks.


FFS!!!! :lol:

Re: Photos of what the people of Gaza really voted with HAMA

Sat Jul 26, 2014 10:27 am

I suppose in a strip of turf 30miles long by 7miles wide its not easy to keep your weapons away from the population and still hide them.

Re: Photos of what the people of Gaza really voted with HAMA

Sat Jul 26, 2014 10:46 am

BLUEBIRD57 wrote:I suppose in a strip of turf 30miles long by 7miles wide its not easy to keep your weapons away from the population and still hide them.


Egypt have reported that they destroyed over 1,700 tunnels under the boarder alone so f**k knows how many are actually within the whole strip and what they are under like hospitals, schools etc.

Re: Photos of what the people of Gaza really voted with HAMA

Sat Jul 26, 2014 10:54 am

A quote I heard recently on the television: 'there will never be peace as long as the Arabs hate the Jews more than they love their own children'.

Re: Photos of what the people of Gaza really voted with HAMA

Sat Jul 26, 2014 11:14 am

In recent weeks Hamas has even took to using donkeys as suicide bombers!!! http://m.albawaba.com/editorchoice/donkey-bomb-591616

Re: Photos of what the people of Gaza really voted with HAMA

Sat Jul 26, 2014 12:00 pm

A block wrote:
Military Junta wrote:
A block wrote:
Military Junta wrote:
A block wrote:
Military Junta wrote:
A block wrote:
Military Junta wrote:They supported groups which promote child bombers


This isn't about Hamas. It is about innocent people being murdered. There is no justification for an innocent person to be killed in their home.

If Israeli people started getting murdered at the same ratio would you post images of blown up hospitals in Palestine by the Israelis and then say "this is the government they supported, one who attacks hospitals" and justify those actions?


Of course it's about Hamas as they were voted in by the people of Gaza!!!


Haven't answered my question.

How can you therefor not justify suicide bombers coming here an attacking us as a result of the war on Iraq.

It was our government who illegally started a war so therefor it is justified? Is the murder of lee rugby justified?


There was no question in the first place so stop attempting to twist Iraq and Lee Rigby in on this. Hamas was voted in by the people of Gaza and they knew what they were voting for in the first place


I'm not twisting anything I'm asking you pressing questions based on your morals and how you justify things.

Is the death of lee rigby justified as it is a result of us going to an illegal war in Iraq which our government, whom we voted in started?

Would the death of hundreds of Israelis be justified as they bombed a Palestinian hospital. This attack was made by the Israeli army and part of the government who the people of Israel elected.


Only the bonkers would even attempt to link the death of Lee Rigby to Iraq which happened around 10 years earlier. Hamas fired the rockets, Hamas killed those teenagers and send in child bombers so surelyIsrael has the right to defend itself ?


Israel occupy illegal land which was given to them by the west and America (wasn't their land to give in the first place) and Palestinians have be right to defend their land?

Israel have an iron dome which destroys almost every bomb shot at them. Israeli settlers are constantly murdering and kidnapping Palestinians. It's all tit for tat and the innocent people in Palestine are the ones being punished.[/quote

its actually the Israely alerts to bombs......air raid warnings and of course their familiarity with it all that saves lives not the iron dome............truth be told if the iron dome was as effective as many think other counties would invest in it.........

Re: Photos of what the people of Gaza really voted with HAMA

Sat Jul 26, 2014 12:05 pm

Karl wrote:
Military Junta wrote:They supported groups which promote child bombers


That child is not wearing a bomb. All children like wearing military clothing. These people grow up in oppression. You have no idea what you're talking about.

Stop spouting bollocks.


you dress your kids like that?
waw

Re: Photos of what the people of Gaza really voted with HAMA

Sat Jul 26, 2014 12:15 pm

ive never read so much racist ,anti semitic garbage in my life........

how anyone can defend the aggressor here is beyond me.....what do hamas want?...
a lifting of the blockade............and why is there a blockade,well because they behave the way they do..

those that spout about land.?????????....well they also often use the term genocide,genocide would be what would happen if Israel was weaker......NOT a few hundred dead,but millions...........
we love death more than you love life is ..a Hamas moto........not an IDF moto.......
and the sick part of it is these scumbags are not talking about their own lives,but those of who they hide behind........

Re: Photos of what the people of Gaza really voted with HAMA

Sat Jul 26, 2014 12:23 pm

What also isn't getting reported much is that Israel have been letting emergency supplies like blood etc. through their boarder with Gaza WHILE THE CONFLICT HAS BEEN GOING ON!!!!! so surely if Israel really wanted these civilian casualties then they won't be doing that

Re: Photos of what the people of Gaza really voted with HAMA

Sat Jul 26, 2014 12:30 pm

Military Junta wrote:What also isn't getting reported much is that Israel have been letting emergency supplies like blood etc. through their boarder with Gaza WHILE THE CONFLICT HAS BEEN GOING ON!!!!! so surely if Israel really wanted these civilian casualties then they won't be doing that

well thats very nice of them ..... blow them to bits first then offer emergency supplies of blood! haha! .... by the way you keep on about they were voted in ... i didnt realize kids voted in palestine .... maybe they should bring that in here to stop certain mp`s, am`s and councilliors getting voted in by us stupid adults who will vote for any tosser! :laughing5:

Re: Photos of what the people of Gaza really voted with HAMA

Sat Jul 26, 2014 12:34 pm

AHERNE wrote:
Military Junta wrote:What also isn't getting reported much is that Israel have been letting emergency supplies like blood etc. through their boarder with Gaza WHILE THE CONFLICT HAS BEEN GOING ON!!!!! so surely if Israel really wanted these civilian casualties then they won't be doing that

well thats very nice of them ..... blow them to bits first then offer emergency supplies of blood! haha! .... by the way you keep on about they were voted in ... i didnt realize kids voted in palestine .... maybe they should bring that in here to stop certain mp`s, am`s and councilliors getting voted in by us stupid adults who will vote for any tosser! :laughing5:


Scrapping the barrel even more Aherne. There have been children killed by the rocket attacks which gave been fired from Gaza by Hamas and it's those constant rocket attacks which the response is about. Are you saying that a child from Gaza is more valuable than a child from Israel ? Because that's really how your comments are coming across

Re: Photos of what the people of Gaza really voted with HAMA

Sat Jul 26, 2014 12:38 pm

AHERNE wrote:
Military Junta wrote:What also isn't getting reported much is that Israel have been letting emergency supplies like blood etc. through their boarder with Gaza WHILE THE CONFLICT HAS BEEN GOING ON!!!!! so surely if Israel really wanted these civilian casualties then they won't be doing that

well thats very nice of them ..... blow them to bits first then offer emergency supplies of blood! haha! .... by the way you keep on about they were voted in ... i didnt realize kids voted in palestine .... maybe they should bring that in here to stop certain mp`s, am`s and councilliors getting voted in by us stupid adults who will vote for any tosser! :laughing5:


bottom line is you anti semetic............
its not about who are the aggressors.........its about hating jews........

Re: Photos of what the people of Gaza really voted with HAMA

Sat Jul 26, 2014 1:15 pm

Military Junta wrote:
AHERNE wrote:
Military Junta wrote:What also isn't getting reported much is that Israel have been letting emergency supplies like blood etc. through their boarder with Gaza WHILE THE CONFLICT HAS BEEN GOING ON!!!!! so surely if Israel really wanted these civilian casualties then they won't be doing that

well thats very nice of them ..... blow them to bits first then offer emergency supplies of blood! haha! .... by the way you keep on about they were voted in ... i didnt realize kids voted in palestine .... maybe they should bring that in here to stop certain mp`s, am`s and councilliors getting voted in by us stupid adults who will vote for any tosser! :laughing5:


Scrapping the barrel even more Aherne. There have been children killed by the rocket attacks which gave been fired from Gaza by Hamas and it's those constant rocket attacks which the response is about. Are you saying that a child from Gaza is more valuable than a child from Israel ? Because that's really how your comments are coming across

show me the pictures of all these israeli children killed in this current conflict junta

Re: Photos of what the people of Gaza really voted with HAMA

Sat Jul 26, 2014 1:15 pm

Still no responses...

http://www.vox.com/2014/7/14/5898581/ch ... ict-deaths

Re: Photos of what the people of Gaza really voted with HAMA

Sat Jul 26, 2014 1:18 pm

simon.wiesenthal wrote:
AHERNE wrote:
Military Junta wrote:What also isn't getting reported much is that Israel have been letting emergency supplies like blood etc. through their boarder with Gaza WHILE THE CONFLICT HAS BEEN GOING ON!!!!! so surely if Israel really wanted these civilian casualties then they won't be doing that

well thats very nice of them ..... blow them to bits first then offer emergency supplies of blood! haha! .... by the way you keep on about they were voted in ... i didnt realize kids voted in palestine .... maybe they should bring that in here to stop certain mp`s, am`s and councilliors getting voted in by us stupid adults who will vote for any tosser! :laughing5:


bottom line is you anti semetic............
its not about who are the aggressors.........its about hating jews........

dont be so simple simon im not anti-semetic but to be honest i`m getting there because of the israelis .... look the killing of innocent people, especially CHILDREN is totally unacceptable regardless of the argument!

Re: Photos of what the people of Gaza really voted with HAMA

Sat Jul 26, 2014 1:19 pm

Green Arrow wrote:Still no responses...

http://www.vox.com/2014/7/14/5898581/ch ... ict-deaths

they wont .... there was another good reply at the bottom of page 3 that was ignored too!

Re: Photos of what the people of Gaza really voted with HAMA

Sat Jul 26, 2014 1:20 pm

jon1959 wrote:
Military Junta wrote:
AHERNE wrote:
graphic-footage-of-dead-baby.jpg
well if you think israel should just carry on with this one sided war then carry on boys .... heres a photo for you all to enjoy ... just thank god you werent born in palestine .... good night all


How on earth is this one sided when Hamas started firing the rockets ?


It depends on when you decide this 'started'. As some others have said it is very complex and goes back way beyond the formation of Hamas. It would also help if people didn't constantly equate opposition to the decisions of the Israeli government with anti-semitism. It is pathetic, and ignores the large numbers of Jewish people across the globe who are also campaigning against the actions of the Israeli government.

This stage of the conflict began in April after the Hamas-Fatah agreement to set up a National Unity Government across the Palestinian territories. The Israeli response was to end all talks with Palestinians, tighten the blockade on Gaza (the biggest open air prison in the world), arrest hundreds of Hamas supporters and kill a number of Palestinian youths.

The murder of the 3 Israeli boys has been put at Hamas' door. They deny it. It was probably done by one of the semi-autonomous groups that have a loose link with Hamas but dont act on their orders. Hamas started firing their rockets in response to the Israeli attacks on Gaza and their supporters. I don't agree with Hamas, I don't support them, but I can see why they do the only thing they think they can do to resist. I think they are wrong morally and tactically to keep firing the rockets, but no way are Hamas the initiators of this latest round of murder in Gaza (and a couple of victims in Israel)

The BBC hasn't been even handed in my view - but even they have now and then tried to explain the back-story:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-28371966

Someone above rubbished the idea that Israelis woke up one morning and decided to bomb Palestinians. I don't think that idea is rubbish at all. It is part of a deliberate political strategy to destabilise the Palestinian political/military groups and to undermine the international 'peace plan' that is painfully slowly moving towards a (probably unstable) 2 State Solution. There seems to be an expression in Israeli government circles for waking up one morning - every couple of years - and deciding to bomb Palestinians. According to the Israeli ambassador to the USA it is called 'mowing the grass'.

this one!

Re: Photos of what the people of Gaza really voted with HAMA

Sat Jul 26, 2014 2:09 pm

AHERNE wrote:
Military Junta wrote:
AHERNE wrote:
Military Junta wrote:What also isn't getting reported much is that Israel have been letting emergency supplies like blood etc. through their boarder with Gaza WHILE THE CONFLICT HAS BEEN GOING ON!!!!! so surely if Israel really wanted these civilian casualties then they won't be doing that

well thats very nice of them ..... blow them to bits first then offer emergency supplies of blood! haha! .... by the way you keep on about they were voted in ... i didnt realize kids voted in palestine .... maybe they should bring that in here to stop certain mp`s, am`s and councilliors getting voted in by us stupid adults who will vote for any tosser! :laughing5:


Scrapping the barrel even more Aherne. There have been children killed by the rocket attacks which gave been fired from Gaza by Hamas and it's those constant rocket attacks which the response is about. Are you saying that a child from Gaza is more valuable than a child from Israel ? Because that's really how your comments are coming across

show me the pictures of all these israeli children killed in this current conflict junta


When you say 'conflict' then are you saying this ground offensive or the whole conflict from start to finish ? Because those three teenagers would be a start surely ?

Re: Photos of what the people of Gaza really voted with HAMA

Sat Jul 26, 2014 2:14 pm

Military Junta wrote:
AHERNE wrote:
Military Junta wrote:
AHERNE wrote:
Military Junta wrote:What also isn't getting reported much is that Israel have been letting emergency supplies like blood etc. through their boarder with Gaza WHILE THE CONFLICT HAS BEEN GOING ON!!!!! so surely if Israel really wanted these civilian casualties then they won't be doing that

well thats very nice of them ..... blow them to bits first then offer emergency supplies of blood! haha! .... by the way you keep on about they were voted in ... i didnt realize kids voted in palestine .... maybe they should bring that in here to stop certain mp`s, am`s and councilliors getting voted in by us stupid adults who will vote for any tosser! :laughing5:


Scrapping the barrel even more Aherne. There have been children killed by the rocket attacks which gave been fired from Gaza by Hamas and it's those constant rocket attacks which the response is about. Are you saying that a child from Gaza is more valuable than a child from Israel ? Because that's really how your comments are coming across

show me the pictures of all these israeli children killed in this current conflict junta


When you say 'conflict' then are you saying this ground offensive or the whole conflict from start to finish ? Because those three teenagers would be a start surely ?

who says hamas killed those 3 teenagers? ... they deny it! ..... post the link for me to read!

Re: Photos of what the people of Gaza really voted with HAMA

Sat Jul 26, 2014 2:27 pm

Green Arrow wrote:Still no responses...

http://www.vox.com/2014/7/14/5898581/ch ... ict-deaths


So what are you trying to say Barnett.The side with the most casualties are the good guys?

Re: Photos of what the people of Gaza really voted with HAMA

Sat Jul 26, 2014 2:35 pm

AHERNE wrote:
Military Junta wrote:What also isn't getting reported much is that Israel have been letting emergency supplies like blood etc. through their boarder with Gaza WHILE THE CONFLICT HAS BEEN GOING ON!!!!! so surely if Israel really wanted these civilian casualties then they won't be doing that

well thats very nice of them ..... blow them to bits first then offer emergency supplies of blood! haha! .... by the way you keep on about they were voted in ... i didnt realize kids voted in palestine .... maybe they should bring that in here to stop certain mp`s, am`s and councilliors getting voted in by us stupid adults who will vote for any tosser! :laughing5:


If roles were reversed Hamas wouldn't piss on them to put out their fire.

This is the same Palestinians who cheered in the streets after hearing of 9/11.

Re: Photos of what the people of Gaza really voted with HAMA

Sat Jul 26, 2014 2:57 pm

maccydee wrote:
AHERNE wrote:
Military Junta wrote:What also isn't getting reported much is that Israel have been letting emergency supplies like blood etc. through their boarder with Gaza WHILE THE CONFLICT HAS BEEN GOING ON!!!!! so surely if Israel really wanted these civilian casualties then they won't be doing that

well thats very nice of them ..... blow them to bits first then offer emergency supplies of blood! haha! .... by the way you keep on about they were voted in ... i didnt realize kids voted in palestine .... maybe they should bring that in here to stop certain mp`s, am`s and councilliors getting voted in by us stupid adults who will vote for any tosser! :laughing5:


If roles were reversed Hamas wouldn't piss on them to put out their fire.

This is the same Palestinians who cheered in the streets after hearing of 9/11.

of course they would cheer .... america supports and funds the israelis in palestine ... what else would you expect?

Re: Photos of what the people of Gaza really voted with HAMA

Sat Jul 26, 2014 3:18 pm

BLUEBIRD57 wrote:
Green Arrow wrote:Still no responses...

http://www.vox.com/2014/7/14/5898581/ch ... ict-deaths


So what are you trying to say Barnett.The side with the most casualties are the good guys?

If that's all you took from that then by god you are stupid. Had you read all of it you'd clearly see that over a consistent period of years Israelis have been killing Palestinians in great numbers. If anyone is defending themselves its the Palestines.

Re: Photos of what the people of Gaza really voted with HAMA

Sat Jul 26, 2014 3:55 pm

Good article about how Hamas treats it's own children as well: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... -ends.html