' VERY IMPORTANT REGARDING CCFC STADIUM? '

What??? You mean the scarf gate orchestrated by JJ???

you just jumped in without reading properly and looked silly, in typical Barry Chuckle way.

Seeing as you always demand proof, got any proof for that? or are you going to be a hypocrite again?

Jumped in? It was a perfectly acceptable response to Soulofthesea... If anyone "jumped in" it was you, jumping into someone else's debate, something you've had a go at others for before... MORE hypocrisy.

Oh the irony!

3rd party debt..and the failure to service it is and has always been where every club in troubles problems start.........your love to have a new owner quip........well....a new owner that would owe Tan?.........the most evil nasty bit of work since lucifer { because hwe wears sun glasses } according to you

Not if he transferred debt to equity as you suggest in your previous post.

I want Tan out primarily because of the rebrand. End of story.

Please can you show me a quote where I say he's a nasty piece of work because he wears sunglasses? I have never said that, you are lying. Something which you constantly say about other posters.

What a hypocrite.

Quote please?

so you think if you finish each post with 2 laughing heads...2 lols..and the word hypocrite ..youve made sense?

all this debt to equity, jesus...you dont even know what your on about..its just a stick to hit tan...........

So you admit that you were wrong to say that I said he was even because of his sunglasses?

Thanks.

you conjour up all that from my bay remark..............klets just stick to the celebration down the bay.........mostly blue ..or mostly red?

From what I remember, mostly people in civvies.

I don't know what you are trying to prove, I agree that the vociferous support for blue has grown, I've alluded to that myself.

how about an attempt to debate...........with a dash of truth...........youve jumped into the thread purely to attack.......
so 1st.........can i have your list of Tans outragious behavior.
2nd.....was there more blue or red down the bay,1 year ago?
3rd, how does debt to equity today make for a debt free club after Tan leaves?

so you think if you finish each post with 2 laughing heads...2 lols..and the word hypocrite ..youve made sense?

all this debt to equity, jesus...you dont even know what your on about..its just a stick to hit tan...........

I finished the post in that way because you often accuse people of lying and making up quotes about you, yet you do exactly that in this thread. hypocrite.

I do know what I'm on about, but it's not the main factor towards my dislike of him, it's the rebrand.

you keep making things up though.

So you admit that you were wrong to say that I said he was even because of his sunglasses?

Thanks.

ok that was not you....................but it was part of the post i was making a point about when you burst in through the saloon doors with your water pistols

how about an attempt to debate...........with a dash of truth...........youve jumped into the thread purely to attack.......
so 1st.........can i have your list of Tans outragious behavior.
2nd.....was there more blue or red down the bay,1 year ago?
3rd, how does debt to equity today make for a debt free club after Tan leaves?

Dash of truth, says the man who totally made up a lie to strengthen their argument.

1

Rebrand
Constant media coverage, dragging this club through the mud.
Disregarding the importance of supporters.
Constantly delaying/not fulfilling promises made during rebrand "agreement".
Handling of the Mackay affair.

2 already answered this. Keep up at the back of the crayon class.

3 pretty obvious.

ok that was not you....................but it was part of the post i was making a point about when you burst in through the saloon doors with your water pistols

Thanks for admitting you were wrong. Apology accepted.

so you think if you finish each post with 2 laughing heads...2 lols..and the word hypocrite ..youve made sense?

all this debt to equity, jesus...you dont even know what your on about..its just a stick to hit tan...........

I finished the post in that way because you often accuse people of lying and making up quotes about you, yet you do exactly that in this thread. hypocrite.

I do know what I'm on about, but it's not the main factor towards my dislike of him, it's the rebrand.

you keep making things up though.

there is a huge difference in just making stuff up ...YOU jumped in..its fair to assume you were in agreement with who i disagreed with...........if you were only partly agreeing,you should have made it clear ..
im a Cardiff fan like yourself...i dont see where i am a hypocrite just because my views on Tan are fair.........i think he dresses like a clown too, but so what, as ive said if a billionaire transvestite took over i wouldnt care......

All I questioned was that Natman Red said he wasn't guilty of anything in the list despite the rebrand being in the list.

I actually made no comment about any of the list, you just assumed & as usual, got it wrong.

No bother anyway, thanks for admitting you were wrong & apology accepted.

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I'll jump in briefly, in regards to the conversation which has derailed this thread, and say that I think the only "spiteful" thing Tan has done in my eyes was making the 13/14 blue away shirt unavailable to buy for so long. Whether that was his call or someone on the commercial side of things, I don't know, but it was an obvious attempt to force red shirts on people who wanted out "premier league shirt" early.

I can't really think of anything else this guy has done that can be considered "spiteful". Misguided, yes, but not spiteful. The guy has put more money into the club than anyone who posts here, and as such has more at stake in it's long term future than any of us - I trust that he'll do what's right by his business model for the club. Do we have to like his business model? No, but it is what it is.

Despite what some paranoid people on here seem to think, he's not out to f*ck us all over. It's his business, he wants it to be a success - he's not logging onto this forum and choosing the best ways to piss off people. Hell, despite what his head was likely telling him, he held onto Malky longer than he wanted to just because the fans were kicking up an uninformed fuss.

I'm not apologising for him one bit, but at the same time people need to see sense and realise he's not out to upset everyone. Hell if he could think of a way to do it whilst saving face, I'm sure he'd turn us back blue in an instant if he knew it would generate more income.

how about an attempt to debate...........with a dash of truth...........youve jumped into the thread purely to attack.......
so 1st.........can i have your list of Tans outragious behavior.
2nd.....was there more blue or red down the bay,1 year ago?
3rd, how does debt to equity today make for a debt free club after Tan leaves?

Dash of truth, says the man who totally made up a lie to strengthen their argument.

1

Rebrand
Constant media coverage, dragging this club through the mud.
Disregarding the importance of supporters.
Constantly delaying/not fulfilling promises made during rebrand "agreement".
Handling of the Mackay affair.

2 already answered this. Keep up at the back of the crayon class.

3 pretty obvious.

civvies is not an answer to more blue or more red...its a deliberate avoidance of the truth...........

and 3 is not obvious at all..........please explain.......

as for 1.....you make some valid points.....but those are no reason for the hatred shown, and the debt to equity ? people that know very little have latched on to this without knowing how significant it is........a stick yo beat tan.......

but very important..NUMBER3..........how does tan converting debt to equity today make the club debt free should he leave?
it doesnt Barry, only if he chooses it to be.........so keep up the hate eh.......its as anti Cardiff as it gets

civvies is not an answer to more blue or more red...its a deliberate avoidance of the truth...........

its definitely an answer. Just not the answer you wanted to hear.

and 3 is not obvious at all..........please explain.......

as for 1.....you make some valid points.....but those are no reason for the hatred shown, and the debt to equity ? people that know very little have latched on to this without knowing how significant it is........a stick yo beat tan.......

rebrand alone is a reason for the "hatred" shown, in my opinion.

but very important..NUMBER3..........how does tan converting debt to equity today make the club debt free should he leave?
it doesnt Barry, only if he chooses it to be.........so keep up the hate eh.......its as anti Cardiff as it gets

civvies is not an answer to more blue or more red...its a deliberate avoidance of the truth...........

its definitely an answer. Just not the answer you wanted to hear.

and 3 is not obvious at all..........please explain.......

as for 1.....you make some valid points.....but those are no reason for the hatred shown, and the debt to equity ? people that know very little have latched on to this without knowing how significant it is........a stick yo beat tan.......

rebrand alone is a reason for the "hatred" shown, in my opinion.

but very important..NUMBER3..........how does tan converting debt to equity today make the club debt free should he leave?
it doesnt Barry, only if he chooses it to be.........so keep up the hate eh.......its as anti Cardiff as it gets

i was gutted at the rebrand, far more than the majority of people i spoke to at the time, i made my own decision to continue wearing blue, watch my team,but not support the rebrand by buying merch........but the truth is, there was no serious opposition to it.......i accept that i was part of the greater acceptance, im no hypocrite,true to his word he threw millions at the club.........and its HIS money, it might be in the form of a loan,but there is nobody else that would lend the club such huge amounts against so little equity..................now nobody is chasing our club for money or repayments.....{ first time in many many years }........and some want us back in the shit.mostly because they feel guilty they did nothing 2 years ago........but were quite happy to have the investment, that is being a hypocrite.....

civvies is not an answer to more blue or more red...its a deliberate avoidance of the truth...........

its definitely an answer. Just not the answer you wanted to hear.

and 3 is not obvious at all..........please explain.......

as for 1.....you make some valid points.....but those are no reason for the hatred shown, and the debt to equity ? people that know very little have latched on to this without knowing how significant it is........a stick yo beat tan.......

rebrand alone is a reason for the "hatred" shown, in my opinion.

but very important..NUMBER3..........how does tan converting debt to equity today make the club debt free should he leave?
it doesnt Barry, only if he chooses it to be.........so keep up the hate eh.......its as anti Cardiff as it gets

its not the answer...........if there were a million in civvies,.2 in red and 1 in blue..........the answer too were there more wearing red or more wearing blue...........is more wearing red..........its not the answer i WANT......its the truth........why is the truth so unmentionable?
10 green crayons, 2 red crayons 1 blue crayon in your crayon case..........do you have more red crayons or more blue crayons............{ hint }...green is the wrong answer.

[quote="KWest"]I'll jump in briefly, in regards to the conversation which has derailed this thread, and say that I think the only "spiteful" thing Tan has done in my eyes was making the 13/14 blue away shirt unavailable to buy for so long. Whether that was his call or someone on the commercial side of things, I don't know, but it was an obvious attempt to force red shirts on people who wanted out "premier league shirt" early.

I can't really think of anything else this guy has done that can be considered "spiteful". Misguided, yes, but not spiteful. The guy has put more money into the club than anyone who posts here, and as such has more at stake in it's long term future than any of us - I trust that he'll do what's right by his business model for the club. Do we have to like his business model? No, but it is what it is.

Despite what some paranoid people on here seem to think, he's not out to f*ck us all over. It's his business, he wants it to be a success - he's not logging onto this forum and choosing the best ways to piss off people. Hell, despite what his head was likely telling him, he held onto Malky longer than he wanted to just because the fans were kicking up an uninformed fuss.

I'm not apologising for him one bit, but at the same time people need to see sense and realise he's not out to upset everyone. Hell if he could think of a way to do it whilst saving face, I'm sure he'd turn us back blue in an instant if he knew it would generate more income.[/quote

being true to yourself and trying to be fair isnt apologising for him.............its a sad state of affairs that almost every post like yours has to include that line.............

I cant see how it will not be open as it has new corporate boxes which have been sold by all accounts. Only saying not itk

Chuckles had another attempt at derailing a thread I see, Anymore of it and will ring his mum and tell her he's not to get any supper again.

I cant see how it will not be open as it has new corporate boxes which have been sold by all accounts. Only saying not itk

The cooperate section has not been put up for sale this season

I'll jump in briefly, in regards to the conversation which has derailed this thread, and say that I think the only "spiteful" thing Tan has done in my eyes was making the 13/14 blue away shirt unavailable to buy for so long. Whether that was his call or someone on the commercial side of things, I don't know, but it was an obvious attempt to force red shirts on people who wanted out "premier league shirt" early.

I can't really think of anything else this guy has done that can be considered "spiteful". Misguided, yes, but not spiteful. The guy has put more money into the club than anyone who posts here, and as such has more at stake in it's long term future than any of us - I trust that he'll do what's right by his business model for the club. Do we have to like his business model? No, but it is what it is.

Despite what some paranoid people on here seem to think, he's not out to f*ck us all over. It's his business, he wants it to be a success - he's not logging onto this forum and choosing the best ways to piss off people. Hell, despite what his head was likely telling him, he held onto Malky longer than he wanted to just because the fans were kicking up an uninformed fuss.

I'm not apologising for him one bit, but at the same time people need to see sense and realise he's not out to upset everyone. Hell if he could think of a way to do it whilst saving face, I'm sure he'd turn us back blue in an instant if he knew it would generate more income.

Superb post!!!! People need to see some common sense.

Chuckles had another attempt at derailing a thread I see, Anymore of it and will ring his mum and tell her he's not to get any supper again.

please do

I cant see how it will not be open as it has new corporate boxes which have been sold by all accounts. Only saying not itk

The cooperate section has not been put up for sale this season

Thats correct Steve I said earlier in the thread. The Top Tier is completely separate to the corporate seating area. This area is located behind the back wall of the Ninian stand in front of the boxes that are underneath the top tier in the bowells of the Ninian stand.

I'll jump in briefly, in regards to the conversation which has derailed this thread, and say that I think the only "spiteful" thing Tan has done in my eyes was making the 13/14 blue away shirt unavailable to buy for so long. Whether that was his call or someone on the commercial side of things, I don't know, but it was an obvious attempt to force red shirts on people who wanted out "premier league shirt" early.

I can't really think of anything else this guy has done that can be considered "spiteful". Misguided, yes, but not spiteful. The guy has put more money into the club than anyone who posts here, and as such has more at stake in it's long term future than any of us - I trust that he'll do what's right by his business model for the club. Do we have to like his business model? No, but it is what it is.

Despite what some paranoid people on here seem to think, he's not out to f*ck us all over. It's his business, he wants it to be a success - he's not logging onto this forum and choosing the best ways to piss off people. Hell, despite what his head was likely telling him, he held onto Malky longer than he wanted to just because the fans were kicking up an uninformed fuss.

I'm not apologising for him one bit, but at the same time people need to see sense and realise he's not out to upset everyone. Hell if he could think of a way to do it whilst saving face, I'm sure he'd turn us back blue in an instant if he knew it would generate more income.

Superb post!!!! People need to see some common sense.

There are lot more people thinking along the lines of the above than ones that use the word hate, Idiot, Dictator, wanker, and worse. thats for sure.Superb post indeed.

I cant see how it will not be open as it has new corporate boxes which have been sold by all accounts. Only saying not itk

The cooperate section has not been put up for sale this season

Thats correct Steve I said earlier in the thread. The Top Tier is completely separate to the corporate seating area. This area is located behind the back wall of the Ninian stand in front of the boxes that are underneath the top tier in the bowels of the Ninian stand.Not on sale this year as you said.