' Vincent Tan needs to start sorting debt out '

protest
noun
noun: protest; plural noun: protests
ˈprəʊtɛst/

1.
a statement or action expressing disapproval of or objection to something.

Once again, if fans were marching singing pro-blue songs and showing their feelings towards the rebrand as has been shown by songs, wearing blue and carrying signs, then it agrees with that definition of what a protest is. Therefore, its a protest. There's no way around that.

Havent we just talked about that?

It was an event to celebrate the blue. That isnt a protest towards tan or the red. In fact everyone was under strict instructions that it wasn't.

Is a march to celebrate Ford manufacturing a protest against Mercedes?

Im sure there were some rumblings form some about red but it wasn't a protest.

protest
noun
noun: protest; plural noun: protests
ˈprəʊtɛst/

1.
a statement or action expressing disapproval of or objection to something.

Once again, if fans were marching singing pro-blue songs and showing their feelings towards the rebrand as has been shown by songs, wearing blue and carrying signs, then it agrees with that definition of what a protest is. Therefore, its a protest. There's no way around that.

Havent we just talked about that?

It was an event to celebrate the blue. That isnt a protest towards tan or the red. In fact everyone was under strict instructions that it wasn't.

Is a march to celebrate Ford manufacturing a protest against Mercedes?

Im sure there were some rumblings form some about red but it wasn't a protest.

Surely the whole point of wearing blue, singing pro-blue and carrying signs against the rebrand is a defiance against the rebrand and once again going by that definition a protest.

Either way it doesn't matter if you don't agree its a protest, it was still a protest to us actual fans that matters

Not at all, its a choice based on principle.

I dont wear fur and instead wear other things - its not a protest, just a decision based on principle.

My fiancee is a vegetarian, when she refuses to order lamb and goes with cous cous it is not a protest against meat, it is a choice based in principle.

Yes it is a choice of principle but the act is also still a statement to show that as fans we are against the rebrand. If fans are going out of their way to show they are against the rebrand by wearing our proper colours, singing pro-blue songs and anti-red aswell as carrying signs stating we don't want red is a protest. You can deny it all you want and say it's not a protest if that makes you happy its still a protest.

By the way the BBC also agree it was a protest

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-east-wales-26689074

Yes it is a choice of principle but the act is also still a statement to show that as fans we are against the rebrand. If fans are going out of their way to show they are against the rebrand by wearing our proper colours, singing pro-blue songs and anti-red aswell as carrying signs stating we don't want red is a protest. You can deny it all you want and say it's not a protest if that makes you happy its still a protest.

By the way the BBC also agree it was a protest

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-east-wales-26689074

It wasnt a protest. BBC can call it anything they like, but it doesnt change anything.

It was a celebration and not a show of displeasure. I urge you to read the organisers key notes.

If it was a protest (which it wasnt) then it must be the most pointless one in the history of football.

Yes it is a choice of principle but the act is also still a statement to show that as fans we are against the rebrand. If fans are going out of their way to show they are against the rebrand by wearing our proper colours, singing pro-blue songs and anti-red aswell as carrying signs stating we don't want red is a protest. You can deny it all you want and say it's not a protest if that makes you happy its still a protest.

By the way the BBC also agree it was a protest

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-east-wales-26689074

It wasnt a protest. BBC can call it anything they like, but it doesnt change anything.

It was a celebration and not a show of displeasure. I urge you to read the organisers key notes.

If it was a protest (which it wasnt) then it must be the most pointless one in the history of football.

Please read this statement issued by the organisers:



Link from this forum:
http://www.cardiffcityforum.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=137999

Yep, i read it many times.

They are falling into the trap of the bbc and labelling something a protest when in fact it was a "mass" show of pride and celebration where any anti red or tan views were not welcome.

We can do this all night, nothing's changing callum.

So it was advertised as a protest against the redbrand by the organisers

As I said regardless of whether you don't think it isn't a protest it doesnt matter it was a protest for us fans which is a big step forward for us in getting our colours back. We don't need a rival supporter from across the globe to dictate to us what we should be doing thank you.

Have a fun night on the board

:lol: So it was advertised as a protest against the redbrand by the organisers

As I said regardless of whether you don't think it isn't a protest it doesnt matter it was a protest for us fans which is a big step forward for us in getting our colours back. We don't need a rival supporter from across the globe to dictate to us what we should be doing thank you.

Have a fun night on the board

I can advertise my motorbike as a car on ebay... But unless it has two wheels it aint no motorbike.... and It wasnt a protest.

Whether you think you need me to dictate to you what you should be doing or not is irrelevant, you have all gone about it quite shamefully, or shamelessly I guess it should be, and as a football fan feel it my duty to tell you.

Cant make you listen though, but you will just have to learn thise mistakes on your own. I guess in a few years down the line you will look back at that gathering and see what I see.

A better analogy would be if I was advertising a motorbike and sold you a motorbike but you decide to call it a car, as that's all this is.

If you feel it is your duty then please go on Hull's messageboard and dictate to them how they should be going about it. Mind you probably already have
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Well if you can come back in a few years then and leave us to our own devices then that would be great

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Nothing to do with the topic, you destroyed it instead of making a new one

Can people please not argue with Roathie, its impossible for him to be wrong, even when he clearly is. Every thread gets ruined

Nothing to do with the topic, you destroyed it instead of making a new one

I apologise, back on topic the main issue is that Michael Isaacs is holding up "apparently" but I believe Tan won't convert the debt whilst the protesting continues

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A better analogy would be if I was advertising a motorbike and sold you a motorbike but you decide to call it a car, as that's all this is.

Well if you can come back in a few years then and leave us to our own devices then that would be great

Thats not what it is like at all. If you are celebrating then it is not a protest. If the car has 4 wheels it aint a motorbike.

If i leave you to your own devices then i fear for you. Ill stay and tell you what you should be doing i think

He has:

Paid off Langston: NO
Paid off Dave Jones: NO
Paid off Malky Mackay: NO
Turned debt into shares: NO

but he has:

Completed wasted a percentage of the clubs finances with the rebrand: YES
Added around £100 million to the debt: YES

I rest my case #TANOUT

He has paid off Sam and DJ.
Paying off Malky may not happen.
agree about equity/debt swap

Craig he hasn't paid off Sam and DJ. He has made agreements with each but those agreements haven't been paid up in full

He has:

Paid off Langston: NO
Paid off Dave Jones: NO
Paid off Malky Mackay: NO
Turned debt into shares: NO

but he has:

Completed wasted a percentage of the clubs finances with the rebrand: YES
Added around £100 million to the debt: YES

I rest my case #TANOUT

He has paid off Sam and DJ.
Paying off Malky may not happen.
agree about equity/debt swap

Craig he hasn't paid off Sam and DJ. He has made agreements with each but those agreements haven't been paid up in full

So if the other parties are happy and trust him to pay them, no issue.

Dept still increasing as Tan take 5 0/0 interest. Better investment than money in the bank.

Craig it may not be a issue at this moment in time but also at this moment in time each party has NOT been fully paid and that is a FACT