Wales v Iceland

I do to and if that means Swansea take the majority of the squad i would have no problem at all but the accent his important . I don't speak welsh unfortunately but i would much rather Ben Davies or arron Ramsey who are both welsh speakers take the captain duties. Being able to deal with media in both forms sets a good example for the youngsters to take up their mother tongue for a start. It doesn't sound right when they say I'm joined by the Wales captain and he says alright skip. Im not expecting him to say alright butty boy and cmon mun. Just my take on it and You don't have to be vocal you can lead by example not all captains of any sport are the loudest sometimes their the best

I do to and if that means Swansea take the majority of the squad i would have no problem at all but the accent his important . I don't speak welsh unfortunately but i would much rather Ben Davies or arron Ramsey who are both welsh speakers take the captain duties. Being able to deal with media in both forms sets a good example for the youngsters to take up their mother tongue for a start. It doesn't sound right when they say I'm joined by the Wales captain and he says alright skip. Im not expecting him to say alright butty boy and cmon mun. Just my take on it and You don't have to be vocal you can lead by example not all captains of any sport are the loudest sometimes their the best

so if Ramsey picked up a London accent would you rule him out of the captaincy?

Talksport debating yesterday that they can't believe bale isn't captain. The argument they put is he's our best player so by right he should have the armband.
He's our best player that I do agree but I'm not convinced that automatically makes you captain? Sounds like being back in school.
Surely the most influential player on the team should be captain?

Talksport debating yesterday that they can't believe bale isn't captain. The argument they put is he's our best player so by right he should have the armband.
He's our best player that I do agree but I'm not convinced that automatically makes you captain? Sounds like being back in school.
Surely the most influential player on the team should be captain?

agree best players dont always have best attitude

best attitude makes gets you the armband

thats not to say Bale doesnt have captain qualities but the criteria shouldnt be about best performances

It's best not to put an extra pressure on bale and leave him do what he does best.

Slightly different but see where your coming from. I suppose it's not a massive difference but i think that most knowledgeable footy fans would know that Ramsey is born and bred and came up through the ranks of one of the welsh club's. Where Williams largely due to the apathy between the two club's is highlighted to the world by the Cardiff contingent that he's not even welsh. However a fair point luckily it's hard to understand Ramsey anyway and that's when he speaks English i think

I do to and if that means Swansea take the majority of the squad i would have no problem at all but the accent his important . I don't speak welsh unfortunately but i would much rather Ben Davies or arron Ramsey who are both welsh speakers take the captain duties. Being able to deal with media in both forms sets a good example for the youngsters to take up their mother tongue for a start. It doesn't sound right when they say I'm joined by the Wales captain and he says alright skip. Im not expecting him to say alright butty boy and cmon mun. Just my take on it and You don't have to be vocal you can lead by example not all captains of any sport are the loudest sometimes their the best

So Giggs was a bad choice of captain because he has a Manc accent despite boing born here?

If Ramsey started to pick up a London accent then he is no longer welcome as captain of wales?

Come on this is now insane stuff.

Look there could be a dilemma here in the future if someone is born in cardiff Wales with welsh parents who moves to France when he's two becomes the best player in the world and speaks with a french accent and is an absolute leader on the pitch who rejects residency rules and decides to play for Wales and becomes captain. The difference it could be like giggs it was well documented he was born in the CAPITAL of Wales of welsh descent is appointment as captain was met with mostly agreement rather than a good premiership club player who is yet to prove it playing for wales who to outsiders is clearly not welsh. It's not insane I don't agree with the grandparents rule and have not since the days of Jack Charltons mercenaries

Look there could be a dilemma here in the future if someone is born in cardiff Wales with welsh parents who moves to France when he's two becomes the best player in the world and speaks with a french accent and is an absolute leader on the pitch who rejects residency rules and decides to play for Wales and becomes captain. The difference it could be like giggs it was well documented he was born in the CAPITAL of Wales of welsh descent is appointment as captain was met with mostly agreement rather than a good premiership club player who is yet to prove it playing for wales who to outsiders is clearly not welsh. It's not insane I don't agree with the grandparents rule and have not since the days of Jack Charltons mercenaries

I don't mean to be rude but I have no idea what you are talking about here.

The grandparent rule and the accent thing are two completely different situations. Your accent thing only seems to apply in certain situations.

The french accent guy can be captain because he is good, despite living in France since he was 2 years old.

Manchester accent Giggs is ok because he was born in Cardiff, despite living in England for most of his life and never bothering turning up for friendlies.

but Wolverhampton accent and most successful welsh club captain Ashley Williams is wrong because some cardiff fans kick up a fuss?

Firstly how is he the most successful welsh club captain. Is he more successful than Fred keenor? . As for the french example I was being hypothetical and trying to relate to giggs. As much as this might be hard for a deluded jack Ashley Williams hasn't got the standing of giggs at club or international level and to outsiders they knew giggs was born in Wales even if he didnt sound welsh.If you read the posts earlier statto i stated I have no problem with the likes of Ben Davies being captain who I believe is a Swansea player. Again if the ruling went only to parents i wouldn't have to repeat myself

Why does any of this shit matter. Lets all get behind the team for a change. We have a decent team for a change.
People saying Ashley Williams shouldn't be captain are only saying it because he's a jack. He's a good defender.

Not saying it because he's a jack at all thought he had his best game for ages on Wednesday. Just would rather a welsh born captain that's all

Not saying it because he's a jack at all thought he had his best game for ages on Wednesday. Just would rather a welsh born captain that's all

he is Welsh born in accordance with the criteria allowed to play for our country

now if you want to change that instead of criticising a man for his accent, why dont you write a letter to FIFA or UEFA or the FAW stating the grave injustice of allowing players whos only welsh connection is through their grandparents to play for our country.

Right oh didn't know the west midlands was in Wales my mistake. This is the very reason why I stated earlier in thread that sadly i don't believe it's a good idea when a captain comes from one of the two south Wales club's. With the apathy it brings. Just to make it clear I want Wales to do well if that means the majority are Swansea players, fine. If the captain is a Swansea player fine. If he is born outside of Wales no . How hard is it to understand , Williams might not have come to this country until he started playing professional football for all we know and yet he leads us out. Sorry if this was Ben Turner with the same qualifications and same accent as Williams I would feel the same.

Firstly how is he the most successful welsh club captain. Is he more successful than Fred keenor?

the fact you have to go back nearly 100 years to find competition for a better welsh club captain says it all. As for Keenor v Williams - they both won the only major trophy in both clubs history.


As for the french example I was being hypothetical and trying to relate to giggs. As much as this might be hard for a deluded jack Ashley Williams hasn't got the standing of giggs at club or international level and to outsiders they knew giggs was born in Wales even if he didnt sound welsh.

that makes no sense.

Ill ignore the "deluded" remark as people tend to throw that about without really knowing its meaning or putting it in the correct context, this is a prime example.

So you are now saying, accent doesnt matter as long as people know they are born in wales?

I was born in Hong Kong when my parents (both welsh) were there on holiday. Are you saying that I a, now not deserving of the welsh captaincy if called up?


If you read the posts earlier statto i stated I have no problem with the likes of Ben Davies being captain who I believe is a Swansea player. Again if the ruling went only to parents i wouldn't have to repeat myself

why cut off at parents though? What difference does it make to Ashley Williams' welshness if its his parent or grandparent? He is still born in the same place, still sounds the same - meaning both your excuses so far in null and void.

Of all the stupid comments on the subject you are so far part to the most ridiculous and contradictory ones so far. Congrats.

Right oh didn't know the west midlands was in Wales my mistake. This is the very reason why I stated earlier in thread that sadly i don't believe it's a good idea when a captain comes from one of the two south Wales club's. With the apathy it brings. Just to make it clear I want Wales to do well if that means the majority are Swansea players, fine. If the captain is a Swansea player fine. If he is born outside of Wales no . How hard is it to understand , Williams might not have come to this country until he started playing professional football for all we know and yet he leads us out. Sorry if this was Ben Turner with the same qualifications and same accent as Williams I would feel the same.

Are you one of those morons who doesn't mind a foreign manager leading the whole country but have a go at Ashley Williams being captain on the pitch even though he qualifies, is more dedicated than most to the welsh cause and is the most successful welsh club captain in the best part of 100 years and possibly even ever (diplomatic)

Absolute nonsense.

Right oh didn't know the west midlands was in Wales my mistake. This is the very reason why I stated earlier in thread that sadly i don't believe it's a good idea when a captain comes from one of the two south Wales club's. With the apathy it brings. Just to make it clear I want Wales to do well if that means the majority are Swansea players, fine. If the captain is a Swansea player fine. If he is born outside of Wales no . How hard is it to understand , Williams might not have come to this country until he started playing professional football for all we know and yet he leads us out. Sorry if this was Ben Turner with the same qualifications and same accent as Williams I would feel the same.

He was born in the United Kingdom he wasnt born in outer f*cking mongolia ffs

Youre stoking more fires than your trying to put out, what you say is just bigoted and idiotic.

Stop trying to be clever the West Midlands is as much part of the UK as Wales and all youve got is an argument over an accent.

Say in 20 years time Gareth Bales son (not sure if he has one but if he did) gets called up to Wales and not only is he as good as his Dad hes better, but has a strong Spanish accent having been brought up there due to his dads job. Can he not captain the side? can he not play? hes Spanish surely f*cking sounds like one!!!

grow up ffs, people from Cardiff dont have what most people outside Wales to consider a Welsh accent are they not Welsh? People from around Wrexham their accent has more in common with scousers can people from there not play football for their country because they dont sound quite right?

I will fall on my sword here with the accent thing as i will agree there are many colloquial variations of the welsh accent. I did say that i didn't expect them to come on saying welsh clichés as well mind. The accent comment i made was never the main reason and was a add on and looking back a little bit silly. The examples given I will take on board and will say fair enough I got it wrong. I think that with Williams the fact he is born outside of Wales is more high profile than other members of the squad due to the songs sung at the Derby. That's not his fault obviously. I have nothing against him and don't doubt his commitment to the cause and he is in the team on merit. It has nothing to do with his club side.
I cannot change my opinion on the grandparents rule I just don't think it's right. There will always be exceptions but I've just got this image of a player travelling over the border for the first time when he makes the squad then declaring how welsh he feels. Cynical yes bigoted no and if I come across as bigoted I apologise. They are the rules and if it's good enough for the bigger nations with larger player pools then Wales would be foolish not to use them. It's just my opinion that's all down to parents that's all. As for would I only want a manager from Wales after witnessing mike Smith 2nd reign and bobby gould era i would prefer a manager from Wales yes but again our pool of managers is not excessive either so if we can afford the right man who is not welsh then so be it. It's not being hypocritical I don't think there are any criteria on managers like the players. The players are honoured by being selected whilst the manager is being payed

Most successful welsh captain..

Sorry Roathie, but that's nonsense.

Most successful welsh captain..

Sorry Roathie, but that's nonsense.

Go on....

Most successful welsh captain..

Sorry Roathie, but that's nonsense.

Go on....

For starts he hasn't taken us even close to a major tournament and other captains have and whoever was captain in 1958 actually took us to QF of World Cup.

Think there is a few that need to read what I wrote.

I don't mean to be rude but I have no idea what you are talking about here.

The grandparent rule and the accent thing are two completely different situations. Your accent thing only seems to apply in certain situations.

The french accent guy can be captain because he is good, despite living in France since he was 2 years old.

Manchester accent Giggs is ok because he was born in Cardiff, despite living in England for most of his life and never bothering turning up for friendlies.

but Wolverhampton accent and most successful welsh club captain Ashley Williams is wrong because some cardiff fans kick up a fuss?

Only between him and Keenor really.

Either way he is the most successful welsh club captain for the best part of a century.

Think there is a few that need to read what I wrote.

I don't mean to be rude but I have no idea what you are talking about here.

The grandparent rule and the accent thing are two completely different situations. Your accent thing only seems to apply in certain situations.

The french accent guy can be captain because he is good, despite living in France since he was 2 years old.

Manchester accent Giggs is ok because he was born in Cardiff, despite living in England for most of his life and never bothering turning up for friendlies.

but Wolverhampton accent and most successful welsh club captain Ashley Williams is wrong because some cardiff fans kick up a fuss?

Only between him and Keenor really.

Either way he is the most successful welsh club captain for the best part of a century.

Backtracking.

Anyone that chooses to play for Wales over England is ok in my book

Think there is a few that need to read what I wrote.

I don't mean to be rude but I have no idea what you are talking about here.

The grandparent rule and the accent thing are two completely different situations. Your accent thing only seems to apply in certain situations.

The french accent guy can be captain because he is good, despite living in France since he was 2 years old.

Manchester accent Giggs is ok because he was born in Cardiff, despite living in England for most of his life and never bothering turning up for friendlies.

but Wolverhampton accent and most successful welsh club captain Ashley Williams is wrong because some cardiff fans kick up a fuss?

Only between him and Keenor really.

Either way he is the most successful welsh club captain for the best part of a century.

Backtracking.

By showing you exactly what I said?

Im sure that is just you reading it incorrectly isn't is?

I do to and if that means Swansea take the majority of the squad i would have no problem at all but the accent his important . I don't speak welsh unfortunately but i would much rather Ben Davies or arron Ramsey who are both welsh speakers take the captain duties. Being able to deal with media in both forms sets a good example for the youngsters to take up their mother tongue for a start. It doesn't sound right when they say I'm joined by the Wales captain and he says alright skip. Im not expecting him to say alright butty boy and cmon mun. Just my take on it and You don't have to be vocal you can lead by example not all captains of any sport are the loudest sometimes their the best

You're either quite young or quite dull or both but I am annoyed with you because I have to agree with roathie-you're insane

Love the way 1927 gets brought up in a Wales V Iceland thread. Your greatest ever achievment and not one of you or even your parents/grand parents saw it! Black and white cinema screens and a charabanc victory parade!! WOW.

I dont really agree with the criteria to play for a country but it is what is it so Williams shoulf be allowed to play. I just think giving him the captaincy is just wrong. its been debated to death and I see everyones point of view on it but I just dont think its right.

Thats before you consider teh fact he seems to have a huge fck up costing us a goal most games

Look there could be a dilemma here in the future if someone is born in cardiff Wales with welsh parents who moves to France when he's two becomes the best player in the world and speaks with a french accent and is an absolute leader on the pitch who rejects residency rules and decides to play for Wales and becomes captain. The difference it could be like giggs it was well documented he was born in the CAPITAL of Wales of welsh descent is appointment as captain was met with mostly agreement rather than a good premiership club player who is yet to prove it playing for wales who to outsiders is clearly not welsh. It's not insane I don't agree with the grandparents rule and have not since the days of Jack Charltons mercenaries

I don't mean to be rude but I have no idea what you are talking about here.

The grandparent rule and the accent thing are two completely different situations. Your accent thing only seems to apply in certain situations.

The french accent guy can be captain because he is good, despite living in France since he was 2 years old.

Manchester accent Giggs is ok because he was born in Cardiff, despite living in England for most of his life and never bothering turning up for friendlies.

but Wolverhampton accent and most successful welsh club captain Ashley Williams is wrong because some cardiff fans kick up a fuss?

What the hell as being the most successful welsh club captain got to do with it?

Love the way 1927 gets brought up in a Wales V Iceland thread. Your greatest ever achievment and not one of you or even your parents/grand parents saw it! Black and white cinema screens and a charabanc victory parade!! WOW.

Only because one of your lot brought up successful welsh club captains, obviously hinting at your second tier cup competition win last season.