Who is to blame if we go down? (Poll)

Is waffle the new thing for "stop talking sense i want to ask you specific selective questions to dig myself out of a hole"

You were banging on for ages how much of a great signing Medel was. If you thought his signature was over priced and thus hampered teams strengthening (which you didnt because you argued with me for saying so) then its not a great signing is it?

Yes Medel looks a great signing and we are doing well for a team whos goal is to finish 17th.

Now you are blaming malky for signing him

So you cannot find a post where I claimed he was value for money then.

The argument with you was you were basing who was the best player between Canas and Medel based soley on stats not wether he was worth the money.

No proof on me loving Cornelius and saying he was value for money either which you claim further up.

Apology accepted.

The good transfers outweigh the bad of Malky transfers.

no they don't

What, like when you're wanking over Noone, Mutch, Campbell, Caulker etc then forgetting he signed them all.

He gave Declan J his debut aswell.

How much did Campbell, Mutch and Noone cost again?.

who said i was wanking over any of those players? and how much did acorn brayford odemwingie maynard smith velikonja kiss ktc cost again?

You said he was a GREAT signing, and now blaming Malky for signing him

This is from a debate with Polo about the overspending of Medel in SEPTEMBER...

But him doing his job well could be at the detriment of you not having wingers or strikers that can do their job... Which then impacts negatively on the team. But like i said, we are coming at this from different angles, people dont think like me and i accept that. People see a good player and assume it must be a good signing ignoring what the team lacks because of his purchase.

Its almost as if Polo is now me 6 months ago

Like i said, visionary.

Anyway bed for me now. Go nuts

You said he was a GREAT signing, and now blaming Malky for signing him

This is from a debate with Polo about the overspending of Medel in SEPTEMBER...

But him doing his job well could be at the detriment of you not having wingers or strikers that can do their job... Which then impacts negatively on the team. But like i said, we are coming at this from different angles, people dont think like me and i accept that. People see a good player and assume it must be a good signing ignoring what the team lacks because of his purchase.

Its almost as if Polo is now me 6 months ago

Like i said, visionary.

Anyway bed for me now. Go nuts

So you cannot prove it and are running off to bed.

Polo 1
Liar 0

Sorry

Polo 2
Liar 0

Cos i never said it about Acorn either which you claim.

Watch the bed bugs dont bite

Nope its 1.13am and i am tired.

Its there for all to see you said he was a "great signing" and now blaming malky for signing him

You can put all the scores up and call me all the names you wish but you have still made yourself look a pleb

Night mate,

The good transfers outweigh the bad of Malky transfers.

no they don't

What, like when you're wanking over Noone, Mutch, Campbell, Caulker etc then forgetting he signed them all.

He gave Declan J his debut aswell.

How much did Campbell, Mutch and Noone cost again?.

Malky mackay failures who cannot cut it at prem level:-

Etien Velikonja
Filip Kiss
Peter odemwingie - not in a malky team anyway
Andreas Cornelius
Brayford
KTC
Ruud Boy
Maynard, injured yes but has offered nothing -
Kim Bo
Simon lappin

Malky Successes who could push on in the prem

Noone
Mutch
Campbell

Not including Caulker and Medel as for the price paid and they were already good players.

The rest, gunnarsson, cowie, Conway, turner, connoly, smith, helguson and so on I wouldn't class as flops but average players that can do a job in the champ.

Annis you gonna answer the point you think we only have 6 premierships players then whos fault is that?

Or are you just going to ignore it because you know the answer is Malky?

It takes 2 seasons to get a full Premier League squad, Malky would of strengthened in Jan and I honestly believe we would f stayed up, I really do

So what in the mean time we play six a side?

Get real. Hull spent half of what Malky did and spent it far more wisely, improving all areas of their team / squad.

2.5m on Curtis Davies or 9m on Caulker?
5m on Tom Huddlestone or 13m on Gary Medle?
Figueroa on a free or KTC and Brahyford for a combined 4m?
13m for Jelavic and Long or 11m for Cornelius and Odemwingie?

If DJ wasted what Malky did in the summer youd be calling for his head on a stick outside the Ninian.

You were always quick to point out how much Jones had to spend compared to Malky before Tan gave Malky an open cheque book last 2 years.

50m and weve ended up with a squad not that much better than the one Jones had in 2010/11.

Polo, I proved u wrong on Dave Jones, I just wish I could of proved u wrong on Malky.

We both totally beg to differ

I think Steve Bruce and Hull are totally proving you wrong Annis.

Its a shame you are not honest enough to admit Malky wasted the money in the summer.

As I said, if it was DJ who spent what Malky did on such rubbish in the summer you would be starting a "Jones Out". FACT.

Polo, Of course Malky wasted a lot of money, what manager never has?

Is Ole the answer?

we are going down this season not many managers could keep us up with this squad... people are trying to find other people to blame!

thats not the case we simply arent good enough!

i have faith in ole to get us back up next season

Cornelius transfer cost us. If we had a goal scorer we'd be at least 2 wins better off. Do you blame Mackay or vt for that!!

Definitely Tan,

a) for meddling

b) for putting the money in to keep the club alive and to get promoted. If we had gone bankrupt and never got promoted then we would not be going down from the Premier League !

Cornelius could turn out to be great. If you think he was given enough time you clearly need to have a look at some other big budget transfer that didn't work at first, but then came good.

He had about 200 minutes of game time, he was 20.

Yes we overpaid, but we undersold MASSIVELY.

The over all blame lies with Vincent Tan, no doubt about it.
Tan has put two different managers in, he chose both of them.
Tan interfered with the one, then brought an inexperienced manager in.
If we stay up then it pains me to say it, Tan can take the credit.

Annis, this ins't meant as an insult at all, more an observation, but your hatred for Tan is clouding your judgement on other things.

You say Tan interfered with the one (presumably Malky you're talking about) but did he really? I thought it was common knowledge that Malky had pretty much free reign to play how he wanted and, crucially, to buy who he wanted. Tan should have interfered but he didn't yet he gets crucified, he's damned if he doesn, damned if he doesn't.

IMO the overall blame lies with Malky. He should have done better business in the summer window. It's clear to see now that we're struggling because we haven't got a goal scorer, Malky opted to spunk 7m on an acadamy player at best who we've now sent packing and his only other attacking signing other than him was Odemwengie...who is no longer at the club either. Of course it's easy to say that Ole should have done better in the window as well, but could he have? We need a proved prem goalscorer, proven prem goalscorers don't want to come to teams who are 1 point off the bottom.

The blame lies with the man at the top, like I said if we stay up Tan takes the credit.
I am not going to go in to the Malky stuff again, I have already a hundred times stated my case why Malky is not to blame.
Yes I despise Tan, but I am honest, when things went wrong under the Riddler or Sam they shouldered the blame, like wise Tan should.

And if we go down, ole gets sacked and tan runs. Who will take the credit then? Why did you suddenly up the ante annis?
Who would gain anything if go into admin and go bust? I think you made sombodys radar, and thats why the sudden change of
Paste. What is the angle annis? Pretty high stakes for a blue shirt!?

Since Sam has had his money annis and Carl have 100% been more vocal

Nope its 1.13am and i am tired.

Its there for all to see you said he was a "great signing" and now blaming malky for signing him

You can put all the scores up and call me all the names you wish but you have still made yourself look a pleb

Night mate,

Here you go Skippy, me saying as far back as August Malky had not been savvy with the spending and needed at least another 5.

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As you were

Polo 2
Liar 0

Nope its 1.13am and i am tired.

Its there for all to see you said he was a "great signing" and now blaming malky for signing him

You can put all the scores up and call me all the names you wish but you have still made yourself look a pleb

Night mate,

Here you go Skippy, me saying as far back as August Malky had not been savvy with the spending and needed at least another 5.

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As you were

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Liar 0

I would say thats COMPLETE DOMINATION

Nope its 1.13am and i am tired.

Its there for all to see you said he was a "great signing" and now blaming malky for signing him

You can put all the scores up and call me all the names you wish but you have still made yourself look a pleb

Night mate,

Here you go Skippy, me saying as far back as August Malky had not been savvy with the spending and needed at least another 5.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=121368&p=1245856&hilit=medel+great+great+signing#p1245856

As you were

Polo 2
Liar 0

I would say thats COMPLETE DOMINATION

Interesting to see Kenfig Blue aka BobbyBluebird slagging me off for moaning about Malky and now he is in total agreement.

The over all blame lies with Vincent Tan, no doubt about it.
Tan has put two different managers in, he chose both of them.
Tan interfered with the one, then brought an inexperienced manager in.
If we stay up then it pains me to say it, Tan can take the credit.

Annis, this ins't meant as an insult at all, more an observation, but your hatred for Tan is clouding your judgement on other things.

You say Tan interfered with the one (presumably Malky you're talking about) but did he really? I thought it was common knowledge that Malky had pretty much free reign to play how he wanted and, crucially, to buy who he wanted. Tan should have interfered but he didn't yet he gets crucified, he's damned if he doesn, damned if he doesn't.

IMO the overall blame lies with Malky. He should have done better business in the summer window. It's clear to see now that we're struggling because we haven't got a goal scorer, Malky opted to spunk 7m on an acadamy player at best who we've now sent packing and his only other attacking signing other than him was Odemwengie...who is no longer at the club either. Of course it's easy to say that Ole should have done better in the window as well, but could he have? We need a proved prem goalscorer, proven prem goalscorers don't want to come to teams who are 1 point off the bottom.

The blame lies with the man at the top, like I said if we stay up Tan takes the credit.
I am not going to go in to the Malky stuff again, I have already a hundred times stated my case why Malky is not to blame.
Yes I despise Tan, but I am honest, when things went wrong under the Riddler or Sam they shouldered the blame, like wise Tan should.

And if we go down, ole gets sacked and tan runs. Who will take the credit then? Why did you suddenly up the ante annis?
Who would gain anything if go into admin and go bust? I think you made sombodys radar, and thats why the sudden change of
Paste. What is the angle annis? Pretty high stakes for a blue shirt!?

Since Sam has had his money annis and Carl have 100% been more vocal

FACT

Has a newly promoted side ever spent £20m on a player before? Especially one never gracing the Prem before.

What £20m striker would go to such a club?

Definitely shouldnt have bought Cornelius but cant say "should have got a £20m striker". Someone like Rhodes would have been suffice.

Cornelius was a mistake and certain fans are using that mistake to back Tan and turn on Malky. Malky has gone and its all down to Tan and Ole now.
Rem Ole has always wanted Cornelius in the past as well Hmm

No logic to that Annis as Ole got rid of Cornelius as soon as he could.

Has a newly promoted side ever spent £20m on a player before? Especially one never gracing the Prem before.

What £20m striker would go to such a club?

Definitely shouldnt have bought Cornelius but cant say "should have got a £20m striker". Someone like Rhodes would have been suffice.

Cornelius was a mistake and certain fans are using that mistake to back Tan and turn on Malky. Malky has gone and its all down to Tan and Ole now.
Rem Ole has always wanted Cornelius in the past as well Hmm

No logic to that Annis as Ole got rid of Cornelius as soon as he could.

Same could be said about fans not backing ole just to go against Tan..

Has a newly promoted side ever spent £20m on a player before? Especially one never gracing the Prem before.

What £20m striker would go to such a club?

Definitely shouldnt have bought Cornelius but cant say "should have got a £20m striker". Someone like Rhodes would have been suffice.

Cornelius was a mistake and certain fans are using that mistake to back Tan and turn on Malky. Malky has gone and its all down to Tan and Ole now.
Rem Ole has always wanted Cornelius in the past as well Hmm

No logic to that Annis as Ole got rid of Cornelius as soon as he could.

All Ole only said late 2012 that Cornelius had potential to be a great player. No evidence that he tried to sign him before.

Annis you gonna answer the point you think we only have 6 premierships players then whos fault is that?

Or are you just going to ignore it because you know the answer is Malky?

It takes 2 seasons to get a full Premier League squad, Malky would of strengthened in Jan and I honestly believe we would f stayed up, I really do

So what in the mean time we play six a side?

Get real. Hull spent half of what Malky did and spent it far more wisely, improving all areas of their team / squad.

2.5m on Curtis Davies or 9m on Caulker?
5m on Tom Huddlestone or 13m on Gary Medle?
Figueroa on a free or KTC and Brahyford for a combined 4m?
13m for Jelavic and Long or 11m for Cornelius and Odemwingie?

If DJ wasted what Malky did in the summer youd be calling for his head on a stick outside the Ninian.

You were always quick to point out how much Jones had to spend compared to Malky before Tan gave Malky an open cheque book last 2 years.

50m and weve ended up with a squad not that much better than the one Jones had in 2010/11.

Polo, I proved u wrong on Dave Jones, I just wish I could of proved u wrong on Malky.

We both totally beg to differ

I think Steve Bruce and Hull are totally proving you wrong Annis.

Its a shame you are not honest enough to admit Malky wasted the money in the summer.

As I said, if it was DJ who spent what Malky did on such rubbish in the summer you would be starting a "Jones Out". FACT.

Polo, Of course Malky wasted a lot of money, what manager never has?

Is Ole the answer?

There are not many managers of newly promoted clubs who spent 35m as badly as he did considering what he knew was at his disposal.

At the moment no it doesnt look like Ole is the answer but given the squad he was left with I dont know many managers that could keep up a team that lacked creative options and a goalscorer.

Could Ole have used the huge budget Malky was given in the summer more wisely? Absolutely.

Ole could be the right man at the wrong time.

A lot thinking it was Malky is a big shock. Now I didn't like his style of play and it bugged the hell out of me. But when he was here we was never in the relegation zone. But since he left we have sunk further and further in the shite.

A lot thinking it was Malky is a big shock. Now I didn't like his style of play and it bugged the hell out of me. But when he was here we was never in the relegation zone. But since he left we have sunk further and further in the shite.

We were 17th with our hardest run of fixtures of the season to come, there was only one way we were going, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that

A lot thinking it was Malky is a big shock. Now I didn't like his style of play and it bugged the hell out of me. But when he was here we was never in the relegation zone. But since he left we have sunk further and further in the shite.

We were 17th with our hardest run of fixtures of the season to come, there was only one way we were going, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that

I agree why some fans keep bringing that up is beyond me. If it was Dave Jones at 17th they would be saying he would have got us relegated anyway

Gary Medel is a great player, at the wrong club. We simply couldn't afford to waste so much of the budget on a CDM.

Gary Medel is a Everton/Newcastle player. That type of club that need only 3 quality signings a year to add to the squad

Massive fan of his though

obviously tan,but everybody needs to take some blame and that includes managers,players and us the fans....

Lots of good points but the fact is we spent 50m this summer and yet still don't have any decent full backs (left or right) and no decent strikers. This is the reason we are going down and this was down to Malky.

Just do not get how people blame TAN
all he did was back manager and give a budget that most managers can only dream off
then when the manager let him down he was rightly upset
then malky plays the fallout brilliantly in front of the world by using the press unsettling the team and club
but hey ho we can still all blame TAN why cos he is still here trying to sort out a shit season which should have been so different

of course its MALKYS fault he took the credit when we got promoted rightly and down to him and his transfers in the summer that we are going down

Everyone.






And not forgetting the f*cking Romans...

With this board being the main anti tan machine, Im suprised how few people have voted just Tan.

It re-enforces my belief that away from messageboards most people want him to stay, just return us to blue.

I cannot believe people are putting the blame squarely on Tans shoulders, he gave Malky and absolute fortune, the highest transfer kitty any newly promoted side as had. Malky squandered it.

I wonder what Malky would of done with a Kitty of 15 mil like most promoted sides, Tan should keep his money in his pocket in the future as no one appreciates the money he has put in.