IF or when u go down.

And allso 11k plus to ninian against palace.

And the 2nd biggest hiding you ever had off us, New Years Day 1980 being the main one. Neither are mentioned in any of the 'hooligan' books, I'm guessing the authors on both sides are not old enough to remember ?

Yes but we out played a team bang in form and lost by 1 goal.
Next 2 is palace and wba.
U are shit full stop, if its a top or bottom side home or away.
And are u all realy that stupid to see that we are back and playing the way we have done for the last 2 seasons?
Since monk took vharge its been 3 league games 2 away and 1 to a champions league chasing side and we gaind 4 points .
Today was allways going to be tough but apart from arsenal thats our top sides out of the way. Away from home.

Wot date did monk take vharge ?

If and when we go down we're taking your scum with us butt

What a thread

Its is a microcosm of the board as a whole.

"swansea are much better than you"....

"Aaah but we have more people watching us be worse"....

"Errr we dont care"....

"Ok well we beat you up 20 or 30 years ago"

"Errr we dont care"....

You may not care, but it's clearly evident that Paul does.

"Errr we dont care"....

You may not care, but it's clearly evident that Paul does.

Im sure he does .He actually makes a decent point though, although he clearly put it in a way to annoy you rather than have a debate.

Ive made the point several times myself. The issue is in your fan base, im sure you have all by now heard my "sams disease" theory and in fact it is displayed on this thread in its droves.

There is an innate need to be seen to be bigger and better than what you are. Its a main reason why Tans rebrand was accepted so readily. Upon promotion, i heard lots of ridiculous things. European qualification, winning major trophies, next chelsea etc etc etc

Expectations need to be managed at the club, some realism needs to be brought in and some acceptance of the situation. There is always a blame game. This is why your fan base is split, half of the people love the kudos of the prem and clinging onto any hope that Tans loan notes will turn you into some big club, this is why not everyone can unite in ousting the parasite.

"Errr we dont care"....

You may not care, but it's clearly evident that Paul does.

Im sure he does .He actually makes a decent point though, although he clearly put it in a way to annoy you rather than have a debate.

Ive made the point several times myself. The issue is in your fan base, im sure you have all by now heard my "sams disease" theory and in fact it is displayed on this thread in its droves.

There is an innate need to be seen to be bigger and better than what you are. Its a main reason why Tans rebrand was accepted so readily. Upon promotion, i heard lots of ridiculous things. European qualification, winning major trophies, next chelsea etc etc etc

Expectations need to be managed at the club, some realism needs to be brought in and some acceptance of the situation. There is always a blame game. This is why your fan base is split, half of the people love the kudos of the prem and clinging onto any hope that Tans loan notes will turn you into some big club, this is why not everyone can unite in ousting the parasite.

sams disease?

"Errr we dont care"....

You may not care, but it's clearly evident that Paul does.

Im sure he does .He actually makes a decent point though, although he clearly put it in a way to annoy you rather than have a debate.

Ive made the point several times myself. The issue is in your fan base, im sure you have all by now heard my "sams disease" theory and in fact it is displayed on this thread in its droves.

There is an innate need to be seen to be bigger and better than what you are. Its a main reason why Tans rebrand was accepted so readily. Upon promotion, i heard lots of ridiculous things. European qualification, winning major trophies, next chelsea etc etc etc

Expectations need to be managed at the club, some realism needs to be brought in and some acceptance of the situation. There is always a blame game. This is why your fan base is split, half of the people love the kudos of the prem and clinging onto any hope that Tans loan notes will turn you into some big club, this is why not everyone can unite in ousting the parasite.

Yes well done Roathy you're right again, no hint of bias at all in your posts once more

Which part is biased?

Im the most unbiased poster you could wish to encounter. I urge you to tell me where I am biased?

Are you the next chelsea then? Did you win a major trophy this year then? Have you qualified for Europe then? Did you find the prem easy then?.... No.

Happy to debate if you disagree with a point, otherwise i will just have to assume you are trolling.

"Errr we dont care"....

You may not care, but it's clearly evident that Paul does.

Im sure he does .He actually makes a decent point though, although he clearly put it in a way to annoy you rather than have a debate.

Ive made the point several times myself. The issue is in your fan base, im sure you have all by now heard my "sams disease" theory and in fact it is displayed on this thread in its droves.

There is an innate need to be seen to be bigger and better than what you are. Its a main reason why Tans rebrand was accepted so readily. Upon promotion, i heard lots of ridiculous things. European qualification, winning major trophies, next chelsea etc etc etc

Expectations need to be managed at the club, some realism needs to be brought in and some acceptance of the situation. There is always a blame game. This is why your fan base is split, half of the people love the kudos of the prem and clinging onto any hope that Tans loan notes will turn you into some big club, this is why not everyone can unite in ousting the parasite.

sams disease?

Sams disease...

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"Errr we dont care"....

You may not care, but it's clearly evident that Paul does.

Im sure he does .He actually makes a decent point though, although he clearly put it in a way to annoy you rather than have a debate.

Ive made the point several times myself. The issue is in your fan base, im sure you have all by now heard my "sams disease" theory and in fact it is displayed on this thread in its droves.

There is an innate need to be seen to be bigger and better than what you are. Its a main reason why Tans rebrand was accepted so readily. Upon promotion, i heard lots of ridiculous things. European qualification, winning major trophies, next chelsea etc etc etc

Expectations need to be managed at the club, some realism needs to be brought in and some acceptance of the situation. There is always a blame game. This is why your fan base is split, half of the people love the kudos of the prem and clinging onto any hope that Tans loan notes will turn you into some big club, this is why not everyone can unite in ousting the parasite.

sams disease?

Sams disease...

Oh ffs yet another unbiased view from yourself.

Which bit is biased then?

Would PSG qualify for Sams disease syndrome too then? As much as Sam had his flaws he was correct that Cardiff as a club had potentially a large catchment area and was fairly unique in having a one city football team in a relatively large city. I think the comments about Barca were more tongue in cheek than general observation personally so I wouldn't read too much into that. As a capital city football club, he was seeing more of the potential than what we were. What can't be denied though is that crowds increased and he gave fans the dream of being a top team and why not?

Would PSG qualify for Sams disease syndrome too then? As much as Sam had his flaws he was correct that Cardiff as a club had potentially a large catchment area and was fairly unique in having a one city football team in a relatively large city. I think the comments about Barca were more tongue in cheek than general observation personally so I wouldn't read too much into that. As a capital city football club, he was seeing more of the potential than what we were. What can't be denied though is that crowds increased and he gave fans the dream of being a top team and why not?

Nope. PSG never never were happy with being a modest club until one owner came in and changed their mentality to a state where they put success ahead of the club.

Small man/fan syndrome from the 6 fingered retards down West me thinks

Would PSG qualify for Sams disease syndrome too then? As much as Sam had his flaws he was correct that Cardiff as a club had potentially a large catchment area and was fairly unique in having a one city football team in a relatively large city. I think the comments about Barca were more tongue in cheek than general observation personally so I wouldn't read too much into that. As a capital city football club, he was seeing more of the potential than what we were. What can't be denied though is that crowds increased and he gave fans the dream of being a top team and why not?

Nope. PSG never never were happy with being a modest club until one owner came in and changed their mentality to a state where they put success ahead of the club.

PSG had done nothing before the Qatar owners took over though? They were an average club who potentially could have been huge. Now the dream is being realised with the right owners in charge. Now they are expected to perform well and reach the latter stages of the champions league, what's the difference? We are similar in a way on a smaller scale. A one club capital football club with a potential to be a big side. For all the flaws Sam had like I said, his observations were spot on about the potential.

Would PSG qualify for Sams disease syndrome too then? As much as Sam had his flaws he was correct that Cardiff as a club had potentially a large catchment area and was fairly unique in having a one city football team in a relatively large city. I think the comments about Barca were more tongue in cheek than general observation personally so I wouldn't read too much into that. As a capital city football club, he was seeing more of the potential than what we were. What can't be denied though is that crowds increased and he gave fans the dream of being a top team and why not?

Nope. PSG never never were happy with being a modest club until one owner came in and changed their mentality to a state where they put success ahead of the club.

PSG had done nothing before the Qatar owners took over though? They were an average club who potentially could have been huge. Now the dream is being realised with the right owners in charge. Now they are expected to perform well and reach the latter stages of the champions league, what's the difference? We are similar in a way on a smaller scale. A one club capital football club with a potential to be a big side. For all the flaws Sam had like I said, his observations were spot on about the potential.

PSG have always been a big club. You hadn't been in the top flight for half a century and had major delusions of grandeur.

They expect to do well due to them being the best and richest club in france.

Would PSG qualify for Sams disease syndrome too then? As much as Sam had his flaws he was correct that Cardiff as a club had potentially a large catchment area and was fairly unique in having a one city football team in a relatively large city. I think the comments about Barca were more tongue in cheek than general observation personally so I wouldn't read too much into that. As a capital city football club, he was seeing more of the potential than what we were. What can't be denied though is that crowds increased and he gave fans the dream of being a top team and why not?

Nope. PSG never never were happy with being a modest club until one owner came in and changed their mentality to a state where they put success ahead of the club.

PSG had done nothing before the Qatar owners took over though? They were an average club who potentially could have been huge. Now the dream is being realised with the right owners in charge. Now they are expected to perform well and reach the latter stages of the champions league, what's the difference? We are similar in a way on a smaller scale. A one club capital football club with a potential to be a big side. For all the flaws Sam had like I said, his observations were spot on about the potential.

PSG have always been a big club. You hadn't been in the top flight for half a century and had major delusions of grandeur.

They expect to do well due to them being the best and richest club in france.

Yes but the point I am making is that before the Qatar ownership they were a mid table side, they even flirted with relegation in 2008 I believe, the Qataris have taken over and totally changed the ethos of the club, transforming them into one of the top teams in Europe. Paris Saint Germain are a relatively new club (formed in '72)who were playing catchup with Marseille and St Etienne, they had to build into a big club over a short period. If anything they're fanbase is two generations old at the very most. Why can't Cardiff as a club build over a period and want to be competing with the best?

1970 PSG were formed sorry.

Would PSG qualify for Sams disease syndrome too then? As much as Sam had his flaws he was correct that Cardiff as a club had potentially a large catchment area and was fairly unique in having a one city football team in a relatively large city. I think the comments about Barca were more tongue in cheek than general observation personally so I wouldn't read too much into that. As a capital city football club, he was seeing more of the potential than what we were. What can't be denied though is that crowds increased and he gave fans the dream of being a top team and why not?

Nope. PSG never never were happy with being a modest club until one owner came in and changed their mentality to a state where they put success ahead of the club.

PSG had done nothing before the Qatar owners took over though? They were an average club who potentially could have been huge. Now the dream is being realised with the right owners in charge. Now they are expected to perform well and reach the latter stages of the champions league, what's the difference? We are similar in a way on a smaller scale. A one club capital football club with a potential to be a big side. For all the flaws Sam had like I said, his observations were spot on about the potential.

PSG have always been a big club. You hadn't been in the top flight for half a century and had major delusions of grandeur.

They expect to do well due to them being the best and richest club in france.

Yes but the point I am making is that before the Qatar ownership they were a mid table side, they even flirted with relegation in 2008 I believe, the Qataris have taken over and totally changed the ethos of the club, transforming them into one of the top teams in Europe. Paris Saint Germain are a relatively new club (formed in '72)who were playing catchup with Marseille and St Etienne, they had to build into a big club over a short period. If anything they're fanbase is two generations old at the very most. Why can't Cardiff as a club build over a period and want to be competing with the best?

Mid table in the top league though. Man City are the same. But neither compare to the situation at Cardiff.

Cardiff is a small club in South Wales with a pretty non existent history compared to the delusions of the fans. It is unthinkable a club with 4,000 attendances in the bottom league who hadnt dined at the top table for as long as many of the fans were alive to consider themselves one of the big boys - which clearly was the case.

Nothing is good enough anymore and it is wanted in an instant. You had a chance to firesale to get out of debt but instead decided to sell yourselves to Tan and threw in the heritage of the club to boot to ensure you got more loans - that the club couldn't bare on its own in order to keep up with Swansea and feed the appetites of the greedy fans who lost all sense of perspective.

You arent going to agree because you are a cardiff fan. Im telling you how everyone else sees the situation - its ugly.

Would PSG qualify for Sams disease syndrome too then? As much as Sam had his flaws he was correct that Cardiff as a club had potentially a large catchment area and was fairly unique in having a one city football team in a relatively large city. I think the comments about Barca were more tongue in cheek than general observation personally so I wouldn't read too much into that. As a capital city football club, he was seeing more of the potential than what we were. What can't be denied though is that crowds increased and he gave fans the dream of being a top team and why not?

Nope. PSG never never were happy with being a modest club until one owner came in and changed their mentality to a state where they put success ahead of the club.

PSG had done nothing before the Qatar owners took over though? They were an average club who potentially could have been huge. Now the dream is being realised with the right owners in charge. Now they are expected to perform well and reach the latter stages of the champions league, what's the difference? We are similar in a way on a smaller scale. A one club capital football club with a potential to be a big side. For all the flaws Sam had like I said, his observations were spot on about the potential.

PSG have always been a big club. You hadn't been in the top flight for half a century and had major delusions of grandeur.

They expect to do well due to them being the best and richest club in france.

Yes but the point I am making is that before the Qatar ownership they were a mid table side, they even flirted with relegation in 2008 I believe, the Qataris have taken over and totally changed the ethos of the club, transforming them into one of the top teams in Europe. Paris Saint Germain are a relatively new club (formed in '72)who were playing catchup with Marseille and St Etienne, they had to build into a big club over a short period. If anything they're fanbase is two generations old at the very most. Why can't Cardiff as a club build over a period and want to be competing with the best?

Mid table in the top league though. Man City are the same. But neither compare to the situation at Cardiff.

Cardiff is a small club in South Wales with a pretty non existent history compared to the delusions of the fans. It is unthinkable a club with 4,000 attendances in the bottom league who hadnt dined at the top table for as long as many of the fans were alive to consider themselves one of the big boys - which clearly was the case.

Nothing is good enough anymore and it is wanted in an instant. You had a chance to firesale to get out of debt but instead decided to sell yourselves to Tan and threw in the heritage of the club to boot to ensure you got more loans - that the club couldn't bare on its own in order to keep up with Swansea and feed the appetites of the greedy fans who lost all sense of perspective.

You arent going to agree because you are a cardiff fan. Im telling you how everyone else sees the situation - its ugly.

I wouldn't say that it's because of Swansea that we are in this mess.thats a bit biased. It was a plan to get to the premier league long before Swansea were in the championship, a run of poor decision making and bad spending had put us in this mess, but to say it is the fault of Cardiff fans for the appetite of premier league football is slightly wrong, it's the way football is now. Like you've mentioned before; modern football is a money orientated disease where clubs are expected to perform unrealistically well. I wouldn't say it's just Cardiff's problem, it's every club in the premier league. Even your own club booed off Swansea when they drew against Hull 100% fact. It's just the way football is now. It's unrelenting and driven by money. If you perform well, then you gain the rewards, if you lose a few games panic takes hold, managers are sacked and more often than not, the club suffers as a result. You can get fortunate as in your case with monk, but in other cases it doesn't work out. It's the nature of the beast.

I wouldn't say that it's because of Swansea that we are in this mess.thats a bit biased. It was a plan to get to the premier league long before Swansea were in the championship, a run of poor decision making and bad spending had put us in this mess, but to say it is the fault of Cardiff fans for the appetite of premier league football is slightly wrong, it's the way football is now. Like you've mentioned before; modern football is a money orientated disease where clubs are expected to perform unrealistically well. I wouldn't say it's just Cardiff's problem, it's every club in the premier league. Even your own club booed off Swansea when they drew against Hull 100% fact. It's just the way football is now. It's unrelenting and driven by money. If you perform well, then you gain the rewards, if you lose a few games panic takes hold, managers are sacked and more often than not, the club suffers as a result. You can get fortunate as in your case with monk, but in other cases it doesn't work out. It's the nature of the beast.

everything you dont wish to accept you label as "biased". Nathan Blake made the exact point on the phone in last week, is he biased too? Many cardiff fans have also said so on here, they biased?

I blame the fans because of their thirst for success, there is pressure to spend more and more. An example is when we were both in the running for Tom Ince, Swansea fans were of the opinion £8m is too much lets pull out - Cardiff fans were of the opinion "we have blown everyone out of the water whahoo!"

Tan released a statement saying the rebrand will not go ahead - the fans revolt and beg him to change the club in exchange for cash - so he did.

I would also say that Cardiff now are a decent sized club, compared to 20 years ago when I first started going. The club has grown unrecognisably and now we are starting to see the potential that was spoken about in the past. Let's not forget before your specific stat of 4,000 crowds in the 90s Cardiff regularly attracted 50+ in the 50s and 60s, even in the 70s we were still getting large crowds, so to say Cardiff is a small club is slightly wide of the mark and shows a bit of bias on your part. I wouldn't be surprised in the future if growth continues the way it has and with potential, sustained premier league football, to average 30 plus.

I would also say that Cardiff now are a decent sized club, compared to 20 years ago when I first started going. The club has grown unrecognisably and now we are starting to see the potential that was spoken about in the past. Let's not forget before your specific stat of 4,000 crowds in the 90s Cardiff regularly attracted 50+ in the 50s and 60s, even in the 70s we were still getting large crowds, so to say Cardiff is a small club is slightly wide of the mark and shows a bit of bias on your part. I wouldn't be surprised in the future if growth continues the way it has and with potential, sustained premier league football, to average 30 plus.

there you go again "bias" - im the most unbiased Swansea fan you could wish to meet. Any club in the premier league should be able to attract 25,000 fans plus. That doesnt make you "big". We get 21,000 sell outs week in week out with 8,000 on the waiting list and awaiting expansion. Did you hear us saying "bigger than barca" etc etc

The fact is the fans have continually put their thirst for success ahead of the welfare of the club, that is due to mentality which i highlighted in the previous post.

I wouldn't say that it's because of Swansea that we are in this mess.thats a bit biased. It was a plan to get to the premier league long before Swansea were in the championship, a run of poor decision making and bad spending had put us in this mess, but to say it is the fault of Cardiff fans for the appetite of premier league football is slightly wrong, it's the way football is now. Like you've mentioned before; modern football is a money orientated disease where clubs are expected to perform unrealistically well. I wouldn't say it's just Cardiff's problem, it's every club in the premier league. Even your own club booed off Swansea when they drew against Hull 100% fact. It's just the way football is now. It's unrelenting and driven by money. If you perform well, then you gain the rewards, if you lose a few games panic takes hold, managers are sacked and more often than not, the club suffers as a result. You can get fortunate as in your case with monk, but in other cases it doesn't work out. It's the nature of the beast.

everything you dont wish to accept you label as "biased". Nathan Blake made the exact point on the phone in last week, is he biased too? Many cardiff fans have also said so on here, they biased?

I blame the fans because of their thirst for success, there is pressure to spend more and more. An example is when we were both in the running for Tom Ince, Swansea fans were of the opinion £8m is too much lets pull out - Cardiff fans were of the opinion "we have blown everyone out of the water whahoo!"

Tan released a statement saying the rebrand will not go ahead - the fans revolt and beg him to change the club in exchange for cash - so he did.

So because Nathan Blake said it, it means that it's true does it? fair play Roath, re-read some of your posts, it absolutely stinks of Cardiff bitterness. Constant snipes all the time at the club and fans, why do you care? Tom Ince is irrelevant as he turned down both clubs. What's wrong with fans wanting success? It's what a fan wants for his club, is it not?

I wouldn't say that it's because of Swansea that we are in this mess.thats a bit biased. It was a plan to get to the premier league long before Swansea were in the championship, a run of poor decision making and bad spending had put us in this mess, but to say it is the fault of Cardiff fans for the appetite of premier league football is slightly wrong, it's the way football is now. Like you've mentioned before; modern football is a money orientated disease where clubs are expected to perform unrealistically well. I wouldn't say it's just Cardiff's problem, it's every club in the premier league. Even your own club booed off Swansea when they drew against Hull 100% fact. It's just the way football is now. It's unrelenting and driven by money. If you perform well, then you gain the rewards, if you lose a few games panic takes hold, managers are sacked and more often than not, the club suffers as a result. You can get fortunate as in your case with monk, but in other cases it doesn't work out. It's the nature of the beast.

everything you dont wish to accept you label as "biased". Nathan Blake made the exact point on the phone in last week, is he biased too? Many cardiff fans have also said so on here, they biased?

I blame the fans because of their thirst for success, there is pressure to spend more and more. An example is when we were both in the running for Tom Ince, Swansea fans were of the opinion £8m is too much lets pull out - Cardiff fans were of the opinion "we have blown everyone out of the water whahoo!"

Tan released a statement saying the rebrand will not go ahead - the fans revolt and beg him to change the club in exchange for cash - so he did.

So because Nathan Blake said it, it means that it's true does it? fair play Roath, re-read some of your posts, it absolutely stinks of Cardiff bitterness. Constant snipes all the time at the club and fans, why do you care? Tom Ince is irrelevant as he turned down both clubs. What's wrong with fans wanting success? It's what a fan wants for his club, is it not?

No, i never suggested that did I? You labelled that opinion biased, yet im giving you examples of staunch cardiff fans who also hold that opinion so being biased does not come into it.

You can call me biased all you like but its clear to anyone with half a brain cell that i am not. Indeed far from it. Yet of you feel you have to convince yourself i am to duck away from what ive said then far be it for me to disway you.

Wanting success is fine, wanting success to the detriment of the club itself is not. Cardiff fans are firmly on the wrong side of that fence - hence the tom ince and rebrand examples.

Yes that's very nice, but the thing is I couldn't care less what Swansea city do or say, that's the bottom line. You seem to be on a life mission to infest your ideology of what Cardiff should be onto Cardiff fans to make yourself feel better about your beloved Swans. Is it an inferiority complex or do you feel threatened by Cardiff in Swansea's rise to world domination? I don't know? Your posts do stink of bias and subtle bitterness though. Anyway, have a nice day.

Yes that's very nice, but the thing is I couldn't care less what Swansea city do or say, that's the bottom line. You seem to be on a life mission to infest your ideology of what Cardiff should be onto Cardiff fans to make yourself feel better about your beloved Swans. Is it an inferiority complex or do you feel threatened by Cardiff in Swansea's rise to world domination? I don't know? Your posts do stink of bias and subtle bitterness though. Anyway, have a nice day.

So all else fails lets try the personal attack route

My posts scream honesty and calling the situations as they are, probably a reason why BBC Sport Wales has asked for me to write for them, a Cardiff orientated organisation

Like I said if you feel you have to make stuff up to justify your ignorance then far be it for me to discourage you you.

(Id love to know what I'm bitter about though - maybe i wish we swapped positions and it was indeed us in the relegation zone playing in foreign colours with a split fan base and £130m debt hanging over my club? This debt free last 32 of Europe, sexy football, mid table lark is boring i guess )

Yes that's very nice, but the thing is I couldn't care less what Swansea city do or say, that's the bottom line. You seem to be on a life mission to infest your ideology of what Cardiff should be onto Cardiff fans to make yourself feel better about your beloved Swans. Is it an inferiority complex or do you feel threatened by Cardiff in Swansea's rise to world domination? I don't know? Your posts do stink of bias and subtle bitterness though. Anyway, have a nice day.

So all else fails lets try the personal attack route

My posts scream honesty and calling the situations as they are, probably a reason why BBC Sport Wales has asked for me to write for them, a Cardiff orientated organisation

Like I said if you feel you have to make stuff up to justify your ignorance then far be it for me to discourage you you.

(Id love to know what I'm bitter about though - maybe i wish we swapped positions and it was indeed us in the relegation zone playing in foreign colours with a split fan base and £130m debt hanging over my club? This debt free last 32 of Europe, sexy football, mid table lark is boring i guess )

Mid table?????? 4 points off a relegation place.

Mid table?????? 4 points off a relegation place.

Yes, mid table