The Peter Whittingham Myth

Agree with craigccfc, I'm yet to see Whittingham carve open a back four... I've said it before, set pieces you won't get a better delivery but as for open play I think he's been poor. No comparison with ozil, you're talking different levels of class. Whittingham will never be 40 million quid! I do think he's done the club proud and there's no denying he's a nice guy, but me personally I'd rather an ozil like player who isn't that nice off the field than a lovely boy Whittingham.

Firstly I dont think anyone is claiming Whitts is anywhere near Ozils level or a 40m pound player!!!

I think most clubs in the world would like an Ozil but he is one of the worlds elite ffs theres not many of his quality and certainly not what we could afford.

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A university still is not a school. Thats what you claimed. Don't lie now and turn into Barry Chuckles v2

Of course uni is a school. I have a degree from uni of Leicester, I was at a school at that time, it was just not a primary or secondary school. But it was still a school.

a. To educate or train (a person, the mind, etc.); (of experience, God, etc.) to make wise, skilful, or tractable by training or discipline; (more generally) to impart wisdom or understanding to. Freq. in pass.

A university still is not a school. Thats what you claimed. Don't lie now and turn into Barry Chuckles v2

Of course uni is a school. I have a degree from uni of Leicester, I was at a school at that time, it was just not a primary or secondary school. But it was still a school.

University is not a school.

I don't go to school.

Top post mate, best I've seen in a long time!

I go by what my eyes see and what they see is sideways passing, refusal to tackle, bad positioning (defensively) and slow to close his man down. Hes a luxury player imo and we cant afford that in our situation. Stats can be manipulated to suit any opinion.

people arent a disgrace because they think differently.

spot on

I go by what my eyes see and what they see is sideways passing, refusal to tackle, bad positioning (defensively) and slow to close his man down. Hes a luxury player imo and we cant afford that in our situation. Stats can be manipulated to suit any opinion.

people arent a disgrace because they think differently.

spot on

Sense at last!

This whole argument is flawed because the stats are clearly not accurate

If you look at KTC it says he has 0 defensive errors. Against WHU he lost Cole for the opening goal, nobody can argue that that should be classed as a defensive error.

If that clear error was missed then others have more than likely been missed. That makes the stats inaccurate and the whole argument of Whitt being the '2nd best player' totally pointless.

Have you been fiddling the stats again Barnett

Top post mate, best I've seen in a long time!

Even Gary Neville's son agrees with me. Proof I'm talking absolute sense.

So the stats are flawed

So the stats are flawed

No they're not at all. They're taken by a professional body. The only people who say they're flawed are fans who think they know it all when they don't. The people taking the stats know more about doing so than us because they work in cooperation with those in the profession. Its not hard to work out dumbo.

They need to bring back borstal. Far too many kids on here these days.

So the stats are flawed

No they're not at all. They're taken by a professional body. The only people who say they're flawed are fans who think they know it all when they don't. The people taking the stats know more about doing so than us because they work in cooperation with those in the profession. Its not hard to work out dumbo.

They need to bring back borstal. Far too many kids on here these days.

Who's going to be your next avatar?. If Ekriem has a shit game Saturday you'll probably change it to whoever we sign next.

Dhaeli has done so much for the club, how about him?

So the stats are flawed

No they're not at all. They're taken by a professional body. The only people who say they're flawed are fans who think they know it all when they don't. The people taking the stats know more about doing so than us because they work in cooperation with those in the profession. Its not hard to work out dumbo.

They need to bring back borstal. Far too many kids on here these days.

Well they are clearly not doing their job properly if they are showing KTC as having 0 defensive errors. So they are flawed!

Lets not beat around the bush here, your only raving about Whitts because Polo rates him, little creepy arse licker that you are!

Stats are obviously flawed if KTC hasn't got any defensive errors listed... So I'd doubt their accuracy.

Secondly, if Whittingham is so fantastic, why have you posted here in your previous moniker of JBCCFC1927, a first eleven that doesn't have Whittingham in it?

http://cardiffcityforum.co.uk/viewtopic ... m#p1299854

Stats are obviously flawed if KTC hasn't got any defensive errors listed... So I'd doubt their accuracy.

Secondly, if Whittingham is so fantastic, why have you posted here in your previous moniker of JBCCFC1927, a first eleven that doesn't have Whittingham in it?

http://cardiffcityforum.co.uk/viewtopic ... m#p1299854

Well they are clearly not doing their job properly if they are showing KTC as having 0 defensive errors. So they are flawed!

Lets not beat around the bush here, your only raving about Whitts because Polo rates him, little creepy arse licker that you are!

I'm not at all. Whittingham is class and a Cardiff City legend. You're all a disgrace.

Who's going to be your next avatar?. If Ekriem has a shit game Saturday you'll probably change it to whoever we sign next.

Dhaeli has done so much for the club, how about him?

Stats are obviously flawed if KTC hasn't got any defensive errors listed... So I'd doubt their accuracy.

Secondly, if Whittingham is so fantastic, why have you posted here in your previous moniker of JBCCFC1927, a first eleven that doesn't have Whittingham in it?

http://cardiffcityforum.co.uk/viewtopic ... m#p1299854

Because Ince and Montero are both better in my opinion. You seem to have not mentioned them though Chuckles as it doesn't suit your agenda. However, Whittingham would easily get in the side of what we currently have and should be in the team. If we had signed Ince and Montero, no I wouldn't have him in the first eleven but I'd have him on the bench to bring on as a plan b option.

You're just all a disgrace for slating him. The stats dont lie. Without his contribution we'd be bottom now. If we drop Whittingham and we get relegated then you got what you asked for and its your own fault.

Because Ince and Montero are both better in my opinion. You seem to have not mentioned them though Chuckles as it doesn't suit your agenda. However, Whittingham would easily get in the side of what we currently have and should be in the team. If we had signed Ince and Montero, no I wouldn't have him in the first eleven but I'd have him on the bench to bring on as a plan b option.

You're just all a disgrace for slating him. The stats dont lie. Without his contribution we'd be bottom now. If we drop Whittingham and we get relegated then you got what you asked for and its your own fault.

Doesn't suit my agenda? are you trying to say that Whitts is a better winger than played in the middle?

On the wing, he wouldn't get into my team right now, not ahead of Noone or Bellers... In the centre, he would.

However, if he was our second best player, as you claim, surely you'd fit him into your centre of midfield in your selection...

As for the "without his contribution, we would be bottom" - you could say that for a number of players.

No answer for the flaw in stats I see though....

Whittingham has been absolute gash. If he's in your team ahead of Mutch, Medel and Kim you are on crack.

Whittingham has been absolute gash. If he's in your team ahead of Mutch, Medel and Kim you are on crack.

If he's in the team for the rest of the season we'll definitely be relegated. Hes total rubbish!

Because Ince and Montero are both better in my opinion. You seem to have not mentioned them though Chuckles as it doesn't suit your agenda. However, Whittingham would easily get in the side of what we currently have and should be in the team. If we had signed Ince and Montero, no I wouldn't have him in the first eleven but I'd have him on the bench to bring on as a plan b option.

You're just all a disgrace for slating him. The stats dont lie. Without his contribution we'd be bottom now. If we drop Whittingham and we get relegated then you got what you asked for and its your own fault.

Doesn't suit my agenda? are you trying to say that Whitts is a better winger than played in the middle?

On the wing, he wouldn't get into my team right now, not ahead of Noone or Bellers... In the centre, he would.

However, if he was our second best player, as you claim, surely you'd fit him into your centre of midfield in your selection...

As for the "without his contribution, we would be bottom" - you could say that for a number of players.

No answer for the flaw in stats I see though....

Better as a CAM in a 4-2-3-1.

Not my fault Malky was tactically inept. I'd put Mutch alongside Medel as he's more box to box and has the physical presence then I'd have Bellamy in LAM and Noone in RAM. Whittingham in a more advanced central role would score more if we actually got the ball forward. Under Malky that happened less frequently than the Olympic Games take place.

All 3 managers can't be wrong! Great servant to city, lacks pace and just needs to believe in himself a little more! Will play a massive roll if we are to stay up, needs a rest

Whittingham has been absolute gash. If he's in your team ahead of Mutch, Medel and Kim you are on crack.

If he's in the team for the rest of the season we'll definitely be relegated. Hes total rubbish!

three consecutive managers plus a caretaker manager cannot see what you two can..............f*cking priceless ..

Agree with craigccfc, I'm yet to see Whittingham carve open a back four... I've said it before, set pieces you won't get a better delivery but as for open play I think he's been poor. No comparison with ozil, you're talking different levels of class. Whittingham will never be 40 million quid! I do think he's done the club proud and there's no denying he's a nice guy, but me personally I'd rather an ozil like player who isn't that nice off the field than a lovely boy Whittingham.

you havent been a fan for very long then.....or have a selective memory .......ive seen a lot of defence splitting balls from whitts..not under Malky mind you.....to compare a 40 million pound player to one that cost this club peanuts...jesus..........all in one day...........Cornelius = Andy Crrol, both donkeys..............Cornelius is no worse than Drogba...........and youd prefer an Ozil type player to whitts.................wat about a Bobby Moore type instead of..and a Pele TYPE instead of.....

I go by what my eyes see and what they see is sideways passing, refusal to tackle, bad positioning (defensively) and slow to close his man down. Hes a luxury player imo and we cant afford that in our situation. Stats can be manipulated to suit any opinion.

people arent a disgrace because they think differently.

Agree

All 3 managers can't be wrong! Great servant to city, lacks pace and just needs to believe in himself a little more! Will play a massive roll if we are to stay up, needs a rest

He needs a rest? What a bizarre statement in JANUARY. Many players earn holiday before Whitts, I think he has quality, he's been a top servant of the club but he's just not producing enough going forward to not tackle or adequately track back. Maradonna would get away with that, but Peter Whttingham..........I think he lacks the right mentality to fully exploit the talent.

He's our highest rated midfielder and second highest rated player behind Caulker.

He has the highest defensive score of any of our midfielders. Kim is second putting to bed the myth of 'going in hard equates to good defensive skill'. It doesn't. Defending is not about just launching into tackles. Its about positioning and cutting off options for the other team and being clever about it. When you chase the ball into tackles at this level they'll just pass around you and exploit the space left by you being out of position.

He's played more than any of the others, slightly, but has been consistently better than them all. At his best, he's better than Medel at his best. At his worst, he's still better than Medel at his worst. He's been consistently better in terms of performance and he gets slated whereas Medel doesn't.

His possession stat is lower which only makes sense. He's a set piece taker for one so any ball that gets intercepted by an opponent is classed as possession lost. He's also more advanced and has played wide with higher risks of losing the ball than centrally. Again, this is proven by Mutch's and Kim's lower possession score as they all play more attacking than Medel. Thats expected. His possession score however is nowhere near as bad as Mutch's or Kim's. In fact, for a forward thinking player who tries to create his score is exceptional.

Goals: 2
Key Passes: 33
Assists: 4
Total Defensive Actions: 4
Total Defensive Errors: 0 <---- yes you read that correct. Whitts hasn't made one defensive error attributed to him
Passing accuracy: 81% - not bad at a club like Cardiff and not bad considering he takes set pieces
Awards: Top man in the team x 4 and best attacker x 2

His cumulative rating proves he's got consistently better as the season has gone on. Again, putting to bed the myth that he's suddenly become not good enough for this level.

Whittingham has also got 48% of duels won which is higher than Medel's 47% of duels won. Slightly higher but higher nonetheless yet Medel doesn't get stick like Whittingham does because he's a fans favourite - cringe.

He's been our second best player this year statistically and its a fact. Without his contribution we'd be stuck at the bottom of the table and that is a fact. How anyone can say he's not good enough for the Premier League I don't know. You must not understand the sport at all. He's our best midfield and attacking outlet on the pitch.

Its a disgrace, an abomination even, that a true Cardiff City legend who helped us get promoted, a player I've met several times and I know is Cardiff through and through, a player who chose to stay here to help our cause in times of need who could have moved on yet showed loyalty, a player who has always contributed to our teams cause, a player that has delivered us some of the best moments as Cardiff fans (important goals like the goal vs Leicester and volleys all over the pitch as well as amazing free kicks etc.) and a player that has in total served us so well is getting made a frigging scapegoat by some fans. You are a disgrace.

YET YOU DEFEND A DONKEY LIKE CORNELIUS WHO'S CONTRIBUTED NOTHING THIS SEASON LET ALONE OVER MANY YEARS LIKE WHITTINGHAM. YOU MAKE ME LAUGH.

Whittingham is easily suited to the top level and the stats don't lie.

Peter Whittingham is a Cardiff City legend who's done loads for this club including show it loyalty which is so rare these days yet the fans cant give him the same back and instead would rather use a few misplaced set pieces as a weapon to attack him with.

You're a disgrace honestly.

Whitts is my fav player, but Medel is better to be honest. Whitts can get in those spaces yes, but Medel cant because hes doin a more important job. A much more important job. Medel is in the top ten in his position when he is in good form and surrounded by equal quality.