fire service strike new years eve

Cant say too much but you would not believe the money that the procurement executive waste on nuclear weapons.

Merry xmas

thats again another failure of the MOD then but thats the government allowing people to throw money around likes its a game of monopoly. you cant specifically target nuclear procurement as the MOD waste their funds on all types of procurement.

Very true but a very expensive one.

well yes but some procurements are going to be more expensive than others

I dont know off hand how many missiles we have estimated around 225 warheads with 4 v boats capable of carrying 16 missiles each

the nuclear deterrent will have an overhaul because it needs to be replaced by 2020, whether we keep trident or replace it with a different system is up to the government personally id keep it. anyway thats a different matter, the point being is the fire service seems to be doing it again letting the military be a scapegoat so they can force their will on the government.

people in the public sector are losing their jobs left right and centre and they want to discuss the niceties of 2/3rds final salary pension

For gods sake, wise up and stop fighting with each other......its what the people in power, with money want. all the working class fighting over scraps so they can pay you peanuts like the 1920s.Get good pay and pensions for everyone,raise the bar up not down....stick together..........people in public sector jobs are in unions........most private sector are not.......tell you anything? stand together......grow a pair and fight.....you wont always win.......but the bully moves on.

You are one of the 'anyone who owns a business is evil' brigade.

Heard it a thousands times. So stupid, on so many levels.

Ye 'keep on fighting'. Even when an employer can treat an employee well, then the employee can take the company to court over a bullshit claim, however ridiculous. The owner pays out thousands on a legal team, the employee fk all. What a wonderful system, laid out by the liberal left.

Comments like that create a class war. Labour politics: makes retards think they are being suppressed, create a class war and watch the lower classes vote for them. If it wasn't for a class war, Labour would be dead a buried.

How much have you spent this christmas???????????????????????? Before you harp on about Tories not helping your 'poverty'.

Fair play you got no clue what your on about

You can't just sue your employer for no reason

And as for the conservatives protecting this country eyc etc absolute poppycock they destroyed everything this country has been built upon

Ask yourself why we now face 40% yearly rises on gas and electric why we pay extortionate prices for day to day rail travel and why going forward the mail service prices will increase and how in 10 years time we'll face having to pay for healthcare with no tax deductions either

I don't think there are many politicians who do what they are actually meant to do or are in the job for the right reasons! And to say these people are of higher intellect than others is absolute tosh, why? Just because they went to private school? Or because they've been elected as an MP by their constituents it suddenly makes them Stephen hawking?

Most of them have never worked a hard day in their lives have been spoon fed by mummy and daddy all there life and have no idea what life is like for the normal working class

Some people working in low income jobs haven't seen a pay rise in 5 years now yet see continual rises in everything they buy everyday and yes I can agree that the benefits system is poor and needs reform but then so does a lot of other things in this country I think the government should cut the £12b foreign and actually use it here like the health service for example I'm sure an extra £2-3b would make a huge difference to the service! The fact is so much of our collected taxes are wasted in areas they shouldn't be tobacco duty alone has the ability to more than find the entire healthcare service yet it is squandered elsewhere

Duty on fuel here is the highest in all of Europe and probably top ten in the world on top of that you pay car tax etc

Do we see quality roads for our money NO should fuel duty be so high? no where is all the money going?

I'd love to see a party really sort this country out but all there interested in is bickering and squabbling in the Houses of Parliament it's a joke!

If I could afford to leave Britain I'd be gone in a heartbeat my grandad once said he was proud to be British! His words now get out while u can

Have to agree that the fire service do get it good when compared to other trades. But to say it is one of the most dangerous jobs in the current climate is in my opinion not to true. When you look at the figures the most dangerous jobs in the uk are still fishing, farming and construction! The fire service isnt even mentioned in the highest casualties list of employers.
Nobody should not return from work as fit as the went, and anyone that has lost a life in there job is as important as anyone else. I for sure am not slateing the fire service but the pension is one of the best around and the country can not afford the cost of it. Im a fire fighter within the nuclear industry and I am expected to work until I decide to retire (65), If I wish to stay on the fire team I have to pass a fitness test which isnt to different from the one they are bringing in for the FS (so ive been told by our training instrustors who also train the FS)
Also I have friends in the FS taht are full time but are on call through the night, There day satarts at 10A.M I think but the get a HEATING allowance whilst they are at home before they come to work!
The starting wage of 21 grand is better than most skilled workers get when starting.

For gods sake, wise up and stop fighting with each other......its what the people in power, with money want. all the working class fighting over scraps so they can pay you peanuts like the 1920s.Get good pay and pensions for everyone,raise the bar up not down....stick together..........people in public sector jobs are in unions........most private sector are not.......tell you anything? stand together......grow a pair and fight.....you wont always win.......but the bully moves on.

You are one of the 'anyone who owns a business is evil' brigade.

Heard it a thousands times. So stupid, on so many levels.

Ye 'keep on fighting'. Even when an employer can treat an employee well, then the employee can take the company to court over a bullshit claim, however ridiculous. The owner pays out thousands on a legal team, the employee fk all. What a wonderful system, laid out by the liberal left.

Comments like that create a class war. Labour politics: makes retards think they are being suppressed, create a class war and watch the lower classes vote for them. If it wasn't for a class war, Labour would be dead a buried.

How much have you spent this christmas???????????????????????? Before you harp on about Tories not helping your 'poverty'.

Fair play you got no clue what your on about

You can't just sue your employer for no reason

And as for the conservatives protecting this country eyc etc absolute poppycock they destroyed everything this country has been built upon

Ask yourself why we now face 40% yearly rises on gas and electric why we pay extortionate prices for day to day rail travel and why going forward the mail service prices will increase and how in 10 years time we'll face having to pay for healthcare with no tax deductions either

I don't think there are many politicians who do what they are actually meant to do or are in the job for the right reasons! And to say these people are of higher intellect than others is absolute tosh, why? Just because they went to private school? Or because they've been elected as an MP by their constituents it suddenly makes them Stephen hawking?

Most of them have never worked a hard day in their lives have been spoon fed by mummy and daddy all there life and have no idea what life is like for the normal working class

Some people working in low income jobs haven't seen a pay rise in 5 years now yet see continual rises in everything they buy everyday and yes I can agree that the benefits system is poor and needs reform but then so does a lot of other things in this country I think the government should cut the £12b foreign and actually use it here like the health service for example I'm sure an extra £2-3b would make a huge difference to the service! The fact is so much of our collected taxes are wasted in areas they shouldn't be tobacco duty alone has the ability to more than find the entire healthcare service yet it is squandered elsewhere

Duty on fuel here is the highest in all of Europe and probably top ten in the world on top of that you pay car tax etc

Do we see quality roads for our money NO should fuel duty be so high? no where is all the money going?

I'd love to see a party really sort this country out but all there interested in is bickering and squabbling in the Houses of Parliament it's a joke!

If I could afford to leave Britain I'd be gone in a heartbeat my grandad once said he was proud to be British! His words now get out while u can

No clue? I've got first hand experience of someone taking a company to court over 'loss of feelings'. You haven't got a clue. People shit all over small businesses yet without they'd be in a gutter

Without the tories no one would own a council house. Without the Tories people would still be dying the mines. Without the Tories we would have lost WW1 and 2.

Labour = scroungers, iraq, afghanistan, ridiculous human rights for immigrants, complete destruction of our economy, a class war that taps into peoples bitterness (when there shouldn't be any)

There are positives and negatives for both but all I here are me is people replaying old crap about the mines, when they run away from a spider.

Politicians come from private schools usually as they are well educated.

Btw we pay overall the lowest out of the first world countries in europe.

Maybe if Miliband didn't bring green levies in it would be less. Or maybe if he told people that the price freeze of fuel he tells people about will need to be funded. Him say we'll tax bankers is a lie, not all bankers are dickheads. Without them we'd be in the crap!.

For gods sake, wise up and stop fighting with each other......its what the people in power, with money want. all the working class fighting over scraps so they can pay you peanuts like the 1920s.Get good pay and pensions for everyone,raise the bar up not down....stick together..........people in public sector jobs are in unions........most private sector are not.......tell you anything? stand together......grow a pair and fight.....you wont always win.......but the bully moves on.

You are one of the 'anyone who owns a business is evil' brigade.

Heard it a thousands times. So stupid, on so many levels.

Ye 'keep on fighting'. Even when an employer can treat an employee well, then the employee can take the company to court over a bullshit claim, however ridiculous. The owner pays out thousands on a legal team, the employee fk all. What a wonderful system, laid out by the liberal left.

Comments like that create a class war. Labour politics: makes retards think they are being suppressed, create a class war and watch the lower classes vote for them. If it wasn't for a class war, Labour would be dead a buried.

How much have you spent this christmas???????????????????????? Before you harp on about Tories not helping your 'poverty'.

Fair play you got no clue what your on about

You can't just sue your employer for no reason

And as for the conservatives protecting this country eyc etc absolute poppycock they destroyed everything this country has been built upon

Ask yourself why we now face 40% yearly rises on gas and electric why we pay extortionate prices for day to day rail travel and why going forward the mail service prices will increase and how in 10 years time we'll face having to pay for healthcare with no tax deductions either

I don't think there are many politicians who do what they are actually meant to do or are in the job for the right reasons! And to say these people are of higher intellect than others is absolute tosh, why? Just because they went to private school? Or because they've been elected as an MP by their constituents it suddenly makes them Stephen hawking?

Most of them have never worked a hard day in their lives have been spoon fed by mummy and daddy all there life and have no idea what life is like for the normal working class

Some people working in low income jobs haven't seen a pay rise in 5 years now yet see continual rises in everything they buy everyday and yes I can agree that the benefits system is poor and needs reform but then so does a lot of other things in this country I think the government should cut the £12b foreign and actually use it here like the health service for example I'm sure an extra £2-3b would make a huge difference to the service! The fact is so much of our collected taxes are wasted in areas they shouldn't be tobacco duty alone has the ability to more than find the entire healthcare service yet it is squandered elsewhere

Duty on fuel here is the highest in all of Europe and probably top ten in the world on top of that you pay car tax etc

Do we see quality roads for our money NO should fuel duty be so high? no where is all the money going?

I'd love to see a party really sort this country out but all there interested in is bickering and squabbling in the Houses of Parliament it's a joke!

If I could afford to leave Britain I'd be gone in a heartbeat my grandad once said he was proud to be British! His words now get out while u can

No clue? I've got first hand experience of someone taking a company to court over 'loss of feelings'. You haven't got a clue. People shit all over small businesses yet without they'd be in a gutter

Without the tories no one would own a council house. Without the Tories people would still be dying the mines. Without the Tories we would have lost WW1 and 2.

Labour = scroungers, iraq, afghanistan, ridiculous human rights for immigrants, complete destruction of our economy, a class war that taps into peoples bitterness (when there shouldn't be any)

There are positives and negatives for both but all I here are me is people replaying old crap about the mines, when they run away from a spider.

Politicians come from private schools usually as they are well educated.

Btw we pay overall the lowest out of the first world countries in europe.

Maybe if Miliband didn't bring green levies in it would be less. Or maybe if he told people that the price freeze of fuel he tells people about will need to be funded. Him say we'll tax bankers is a lie, not all bankers are dickheads. Without them we'd be in the crap!.

I agree with some of what u say but in all honesty I hate the lot of government out to line their own pockets all of them couldn't give a f**k about the working class cos they never will be simple as that

When you have people in power who have had everything given to them all their life then decisions they make are flawed IMO simple as that!

I'm well educated through my own hard graft and I've worked low skilled jobs and jobs under high pressure my pay is still poor now and I can barely afford to live alone due to the costs of my education etc I don't consider anyone in parliament more smarter than I am at all IMO I have a far better outlook on how Britain is than any of the rich toffs who've been handed everything on a plate

And as for labour half of them are the same most come from middle and upper class backgrounds and very few of them had a hard upbringing and actually care about doing something for the good of others

Australia is my destination maybe not within next ten years but hopefully before I edge closer to retirement

For gods sake, wise up and stop fighting with each other......its what the people in power, with money want. all the working class fighting over scraps so they can pay you peanuts like the 1920s.Get good pay and pensions for everyone,raise the bar up not down....stick together..........people in public sector jobs are in unions........most private sector are not.......tell you anything? stand together......grow a pair and fight.....you wont always win.......but the bully moves on.

You are one of the 'anyone who owns a business is evil' brigade.

Heard it a thousands times. So stupid, on so many levels.

Ye 'keep on fighting'. Even when an employer can treat an employee well, then the employee can take the company to court over a bullshit claim, however ridiculous. The owner pays out thousands on a legal team, the employee fk all. What a wonderful system, laid out by the liberal left.

Comments like that create a class war. Labour politics: makes retards think they are being suppressed, create a class war and watch the lower classes vote for them. If it wasn't for a class war, Labour would be dead a buried.

How much have you spent this christmas???????????????????????? Before you harp on about Tories not helping your 'poverty'.

Fair play you got no clue what your on about

You can't just sue your employer for no reason

And as for the conservatives protecting this country eyc etc absolute poppycock they destroyed everything this country has been built upon

Ask yourself why we now face 40% yearly rises on gas and electric why we pay extortionate prices for day to day rail travel and why going forward the mail service prices will increase and how in 10 years time we'll face having to pay for healthcare with no tax deductions either

I don't think there are many politicians who do what they are actually meant to do or are in the job for the right reasons! And to say these people are of higher intellect than others is absolute tosh, why? Just because they went to private school? Or because they've been elected as an MP by their constituents it suddenly makes them Stephen hawking?

Most of them have never worked a hard day in their lives have been spoon fed by mummy and daddy all there life and have no idea what life is like for the normal working class

Some people working in low income jobs haven't seen a pay rise in 5 years now yet see continual rises in everything they buy everyday and yes I can agree that the benefits system is poor and needs reform but then so does a lot of other things in this country I think the government should cut the £12b foreign and actually use it here like the health service for example I'm sure an extra £2-3b would make a huge difference to the service! The fact is so much of our collected taxes are wasted in areas they shouldn't be tobacco duty alone has the ability to more than find the entire healthcare service yet it is squandered elsewhere

Duty on fuel here is the highest in all of Europe and probably top ten in the world on top of that you pay car tax etc

Do we see quality roads for our money NO should fuel duty be so high? no where is all the money going?

I'd love to see a party really sort this country out but all there interested in is bickering and squabbling in the Houses of Parliament it's a joke!

If I could afford to leave Britain I'd be gone in a heartbeat my grandad once said he was proud to be British! His words now get out while u can

No clue? I've got first hand experience of someone taking a company to court over 'loss of feelings'. You haven't got a clue. People shit all over small businesses yet without they'd be in a gutter

Without the tories no one would own a council house. Without the Tories people would still be dying the mines. Without the Tories we would have lost WW1 and 2.

Labour = scroungers, iraq, afghanistan, ridiculous human rights for immigrants, complete destruction of our economy, a class war that taps into peoples bitterness (when there shouldn't be any)

There are positives and negatives for both but all I here are me is people replaying old crap about the mines, when they run away from a spider.

Politicians come from private schools usually as they are well educated.

Btw we pay overall the lowest out of the first world countries in europe.

Maybe if Miliband didn't bring green levies in it would be less. Or maybe if he told people that the price freeze of fuel he tells people about will need to be funded. Him say we'll tax bankers is a lie, not all bankers are dickheads. Without them we'd be in the crap!.

I agree with some of what u say but in all honesty I hate the lot of government out to line their own pockets all of them couldn't give a f**k about the working class cos they never will be simple as that

When you have people in power who have had everything given to them all their life then decisions they make are flawed IMO simple as that!

I'm well educated through my own hard graft and I've worked low skilled jobs and jobs under high pressure my pay is still poor now and I can barely afford to live alone due to the costs of my education etc I don't consider anyone in parliament more smarter than I am at all IMO I have a far better outlook on how Britain is than any of the rich toffs who've been handed everything on a plate

And as for labour half of them are the same most come from middle and upper class backgrounds and very few of them had a hard upbringing and actually care about doing something for the good of others

Australia is my destination maybe not within next ten years but hopefully before I edge closer to retirement

If you want to get out fella try Canada.Easier to get too, easier to get a visa and its on the up if your willing to graft.
Good luck.

For gods sake, wise up and stop fighting with each other......its what the people in power, with money want. all the working class fighting over scraps so they can pay you peanuts like the 1920s.Get good pay and pensions for everyone,raise the bar up not down....stick together..........people in public sector jobs are in unions........most private sector are not.......tell you anything? stand together......grow a pair and fight.....you wont always win.......but the bully moves on.

You are one of the 'anyone who owns a business is evil' brigade.

Heard it a thousands times. So stupid, on so many levels.

Ye 'keep on fighting'. Even when an employer can treat an employee well, then the employee can take the company to court over a bullshit claim, however ridiculous. The owner pays out thousands on a legal team, the employee fk all. What a wonderful system, laid out by the liberal left.

Comments like that create a class war. Labour politics: makes retards think they are being suppressed, create a class war and watch the lower classes vote for them. If it wasn't for a class war, Labour would be dead a buried.

How much have you spent this christmas???????????????????????? Before you harp on about Tories not helping your 'poverty'.

Fair play you got no clue what your on about

You can't just sue your employer for no reason

And as for the conservatives protecting this country eyc etc absolute poppycock they destroyed everything this country has been built upon

Ask yourself why we now face 40% yearly rises on gas and electric why we pay extortionate prices for day to day rail travel and why going forward the mail service prices will increase and how in 10 years time we'll face having to pay for healthcare with no tax deductions either

I don't think there are many politicians who do what they are actually meant to do or are in the job for the right reasons! And to say these people are of higher intellect than others is absolute tosh, why? Just because they went to private school? Or because they've been elected as an MP by their constituents it suddenly makes them Stephen hawking?

Most of them have never worked a hard day in their lives have been spoon fed by mummy and daddy all there life and have no idea what life is like for the normal working class

Some people working in low income jobs haven't seen a pay rise in 5 years now yet see continual rises in everything they buy everyday and yes I can agree that the benefits system is poor and needs reform but then so does a lot of other things in this country I think the government should cut the £12b foreign and actually use it here like the health service for example I'm sure an extra £2-3b would make a huge difference to the service! The fact is so much of our collected taxes are wasted in areas they shouldn't be tobacco duty alone has the ability to more than find the entire healthcare service yet it is squandered elsewhere

Duty on fuel here is the highest in all of Europe and probably top ten in the world on top of that you pay car tax etc

Do we see quality roads for our money NO should fuel duty be so high? no where is all the money going?

I'd love to see a party really sort this country out but all there interested in is bickering and squabbling in the Houses of Parliament it's a joke!

If I could afford to leave Britain I'd be gone in a heartbeat my grandad once said he was proud to be British! His words now get out while u can

No clue? I've got first hand experience of someone taking a company to court over 'loss of feelings'. You haven't got a clue. People shit all over small businesses yet without they'd be in a gutter

Without the tories no one would own a council house. Without the Tories people would still be dying the mines. Without the Tories we would have lost WW1 and 2.

Labour = scroungers, iraq, afghanistan, ridiculous human rights for immigrants, complete destruction of our economy, a class war that taps into peoples bitterness (when there shouldn't be any)

There are positives and negatives for both but all I here are me is people replaying old crap about the mines, when they run away from a spider.

Politicians come from private schools usually as they are well educated.

Btw we pay overall the lowest out of the first world countries in europe.

Maybe if Miliband didn't bring green levies in it would be less. Or maybe if he told people that the price freeze of fuel he tells people about will need to be funded. Him say we'll tax bankers is a lie, not all bankers are dickheads. Without them we'd be in the crap!.

I agree with some of what u say but in all honesty I hate the lot of government out to line their own pockets all of them couldn't give a f**k about the working class cos they never will be simple as that

When you have people in power who have had everything given to them all their life then decisions they make are flawed IMO simple as that!

I'm well educated through my own hard graft and I've worked low skilled jobs and jobs under high pressure my pay is still poor now and I can barely afford to live alone due to the costs of my education etc I don't consider anyone in parliament more smarter than I am at all IMO I have a far better outlook on how Britain is than any of the rich toffs who've been handed everything on a plate

And as for labour half of them are the same most come from middle and upper class backgrounds and very few of them had a hard upbringing and actually care about doing something for the good of others

Australia is my destination maybe not within next ten years but hopefully before I edge closer to retirement

If you want to get out fella try Canada.Easier to get too, easier to get a visa and its on the up if your willing to graft.
Good luck.

Cheers for that few people have said its a good place to go

Defo looking into emigrating in the future be a few years yet thi

firefighters,well it's hard to call them that when most of the time they sit around twiddling their thumbs .C'mon they have the easiest job in the country,their was a big fire near my home recently and there were about ten fire engines and countless firemen and all they did was let the fire burn itself out,other fires they just hold a hose and point it at a fire,they should work till their 70 not 55ffs.Privatise the fire service then you could get Europeans to do the job for half the price,save a lot of money and they would work till their 80 and not fall asleep on the job.
Time these lazy so called firefighters entered the real world.

I really hope to god you don't require the fire service one day be it a fire road accident stuck in a lift overcome by carbon monoxide flooding or even a lift to hospital because the ambulance service can't attend ( and yes this happens quite a bit bet you didn't know that) also many jobs which the police pass the buck on removal of body parts after a fatal incident I could go on and on .

By the way there's quite a few brigades now offering striking firefighters £1,000 to break the strike over the New Year I'd like to know where they can suddenly find this money from

By the way there's quite a few brigades now offering striking firefighters £1,000 to break the strike over the New Year I'd like to know where they can suddenly find this money from

the sale of our fire station probably lol

I don't know any other job where if your doing a night shift you go to bed.
And why should they retire in their fifty's.

I've worked sleeping nights...so your wrong my friend.

i don't think i am,i can't think of any other job that pays you to sleep.
Name the job you had that payed you to sleep.

I'm a drug addiction practitioner.....when you work in a live in rehab, you go to bed and get paid for that nights work.
I'm now in a detox...and you get paid higher for a waking night.

so do you give the meds out etc.just wondering what that job title meant?

I don't know any other job where if your doing a night shift you go to bed.
And why should they retire in their fifty's.

I've worked sleeping nights...so your wrong my friend.

i don't think i am,i can't think of any other job that pays you to sleep.
Name the job you had that payed you to sleep.

I'm a drug addiction practitioner.....when you work in a live in rehab, you go to bed and get paid for that nights work.
I'm now in a detox...and you get paid higher for a waking night.

so do you give the meds out etc.just wondering what that job title meant?

At rehab I can give medication out.....at detox we give out controlled drugs (methadone) which a nurse will give out and I will witness.....other dutys include group work (relaps prevention) etc etc.

I don't know any other job where if your doing a night shift you go to bed.
And why should they retire in their fifty's.

I've worked sleeping nights...so your wrong my friend.

i don't think i am,i can't think of any other job that pays you to sleep.
Name the job you had that payed you to sleep.

I'm a drug addiction practitioner.....when you work in a live in rehab, you go to bed and get paid for that nights work.
I'm now in a detox...and you get paid higher for a waking night.

so do you give the meds out etc.just wondering what that job title meant?

At rehab I can give medication out.....at detox we give out controlled drugs (methadone) which a nurse will give out and I will witness.....other dutys include group work (relaps prevention) etc etc.

thanks for the reply.im sure it,s very rewarding.sent you a pm

All the cuts to public services are a direct result of people abusing the conditions the previous generation fought for! Why is sickness in the public sector double that of the private sector, fully paid for 6 months and half paid for 6 months and during this time they also accrue full holiday entitlement? And now they want to retire at 55, whilst local services are being slashed, its a known fact that many firefighters have part time jobs as they don get time when they are sleeping all night!

IF its so great get a job as a fireman or in the public service. why drag everyone down ? why not get better for everyone.

If I wanted to be bored stiff and believe that everybody else has to pay for me beyond 55 then I would, however I'd rather have a real job.

For gods sake, wise up and stop fighting with each other......its what the people in power, with money want. all the working class fighting over scraps so they can pay you peanuts like the 1920s.Get good pay and pensions for everyone,raise the bar up not down....stick together..........people in public sector jobs are in unions........most private sector are not.......tell you anything? stand together......grow a pair and fight.....you wont always win.......but the bully moves on.

Reality, in the public sector there is no balancing act when considering wages and conditions, those who make the recommendations, chief officers have taken no financial risk to get they're gold plated positions and they know that all enhancements to other staff will also land up in they're pockets.... It's the family fortune public sector scenario nothing to do with history, its to do with the real world now.... WAKEY WAKEY

I regularly worked with a fireman(they were called that back then) depending on his shifts he used to turn up at our furniture re-upholstery workshop and work 3 or four days in a row. Cash in hand not on the books. As mentioned further back in the thread, it may be illegal to have a second job, but many work illegally in the black economy.

All the cuts to public services are a direct result of people abusing the conditions the previous generation fought for! Why is sickness in the public sector double that of the private sector, fully paid for 6 months and half paid for 6 months and during this time they also accrue full holiday entitlement? And now they want to retire at 55, whilst local services are being slashed, its a known fact that many firefighters have part time jobs as they don get time when they are sleeping all night!

IF its so great get a job as a fireman or in the public service. why drag everyone down ? why not get better for everyone.

If I wanted to be bored stiff and believe that everybody else has to pay for me beyond 55 then I would, however I'd rather have a real job.

So a nurse is not a real job....or a care worker....come on ?

All the cuts to public services are a direct result of people abusing the conditions the previous generation fought for! Why is sickness in the public sector double that of the private sector, fully paid for 6 months and half paid for 6 months and during this time they also accrue full holiday entitlement? And now they want to retire at 55, whilst local services are being slashed, its a known fact that many firefighters have part time jobs as they don get time when they are sleeping all night!

IF its so great get a job as a fireman or in the public service. why drag everyone down ? why not get better for everyone.

If I wanted to be bored stiff and believe that everybody else has to pay for me beyond 55 then I would, however I'd rather have a real job.

So a nurse is not a real job....or a care worker....come on ?

Since when have nurses retired at 55??