Wales up to 44th in World Rankings

Also get rid of all Colemans mates, his job for the boys attitude stinks to me. Hartson needs to go he is a liability. Bring in Pulis on a part time basis, he would sort our defence right out and I imagine he would be great to have in the dressing room.

Slag him off all you want for his style of football it worked with Stoke and he's a top manager. Would be a superb assistant and I think he would take on the role if he was allowed to do other work as well.

Agreed. Everyone bashes on Pulis because Stoke were a perceived long ball team.

Not strictly true though. What they were was a v. disciplined pressing team.

stoke were the worst team tactically i have ever seen at the liberty they weren't even looking half the time just lamping it forward to crouch , if that's what you want then wales are fucked because we haven't got the physicality to play that way with midfielders just barging around looking for the knockdowns from a target man we don't have anyway

Also get rid of all Colemans mates, his job for the boys attitude stinks to me. Hartson needs to go he is a liability. Bring in Pulis on a part time basis, he would sort our defence right out and I imagine he would be great to have in the dressing room.

Slag him off all you want for his style of football it worked with Stoke and he's a top manager. Would be a superb assistant and I think he would take on the role if he was allowed to do other work as well.

so your going to by-pass our strongest dept to whack it up to a target man we don't have

I don't think that would be the case though. Pulis is no dummy. He would bring a badly needed discipline and Shape.

would be interesting if just one person would say who they would have as manager considering the money on offer , please don't say Pulis ffs

Give it part time 1st team coach to Brendan Rodgers and have Brian Flynn as Director of Football.

f**k it leave coleman for next qualifiers then put bellamy in after he's done all his badges and calmed down a bit , have the respect and everyone would be shitscared of him

I dont know wether its down to his divorce, maturing, respect for Malky or the fact he cant do what he used to, or a mix of all those things but hes calmed down massively in his 2nd stint with us. Maybe him not being as angry as he was hes lost some if his edge as a player.

I do see him becoming a manager though. Comes across a deep thinker of the game and very articulate which you need in todays media driven game.

Wether he would want to cut his teeth in a job which you are almost guaranteed to fail I am not so sure.

Also get rid of all Colemans mates, his job for the boys attitude stinks to me. Hartson needs to go he is a liability. Bring in Pulis on a part time basis, he would sort our defence right out and I imagine he would be great to have in the dressing room.

Slag him off all you want for his style of football it worked with Stoke and he's a top manager. Would be a superb assistant and I think he would take on the role if he was allowed to do other work as well.

Agreed. Everyone bashes on Pulis because Stoke were a perceived long ball team.

Not strictly true though. What they were was a v. disciplined pressing team.

stoke were the worst team tactically i have ever seen at the liberty they weren't even looking half the time just lamping it forward to crouch , if that's what you want then wales are fucked because we haven't got the physicality to play that way with midfielders just barging around looking for the knockdowns from a target man we don't have anyway

Yeah, not terrible points waddle. The lack of forwards is certainly a problem.

would be interesting if just one person would say who they would have as manager considering the money on offer , please don't say Pulis ffs

Give it part time 1st team coach to Brendan Rodgers and have Brian Flynn as Director of Football.

f**k it leave coleman for next qualifiers then put bellamy in after he's done all his badges and calmed down a bit , have the respect and everyone would be shitscared of him

I dont know wether its down to his divorce, maturing, respect for Malky or the fact he cant do what he used to, or a mix of all those things but hes calmed down massively in his 2nd stint with us. Maybe him not being as angry as he was hes lost some if his edge as a player.

I do see him becoming a manager though. Comes across a deep thinker of the game and very articulate which you need in todays media driven game.

Wether he would want to cut his teeth in a job which you are almost guaranteed to fail I am not so sure.

you wouldn't get a prouder welshman if you tried and maybe it might appeal to him in a couple of years , i'd rather have bobby gould back than Pulis thats for definite , is he still alive ?

Also get rid of all Colemans mates, his job for the boys attitude stinks to me. Hartson needs to go he is a liability. Bring in Pulis on a part time basis, he would sort our defence right out and I imagine he would be great to have in the dressing room.

Slag him off all you want for his style of football it worked with Stoke and he's a top manager. Would be a superb assistant and I think he would take on the role if he was allowed to do other work as well.

Agreed. Everyone bashes on Pulis because Stoke were a perceived long ball team.

Not strictly true though. What they were was a v. disciplined pressing team.

stoke were the worst team tactically i have ever seen at the liberty they weren't even looking half the time just lamping it forward to crouch , if that's what you want then wales are fucked because we haven't got the physicality to play that way with midfielders just barging around looking for the knockdowns from a target man we don't have anyway

Yeah, not terrible points waddle. The lack of forwards is certainly a problem.

personally think we have good footballers in defence and midfield when at full strength and we've got to try and use their passing and skill levels , especially midfield

would be interesting if just one person would say who they would have as manager considering the money on offer , please don't say Pulis ffs

Give it part time 1st team coach to Brendan Rodgers and have Brian Flynn as Director of Football.

f**k it leave coleman for next qualifiers then put bellamy in after he's done all his badges and calmed down a bit , have the respect and everyone would be shitscared of him

I dont know wether its down to his divorce, maturing, respect for Malky or the fact he cant do what he used to, or a mix of all those things but hes calmed down massively in his 2nd stint with us. Maybe him not being as angry as he was hes lost some if his edge as a player.

I do see him becoming a manager though. Comes across a deep thinker of the game and very articulate which you need in todays media driven game.

Wether he would want to cut his teeth in a job which you are almost guaranteed to fail I am not so sure.

you wouldn't get a prouder welshman if you tried and maybe it might appeal to him in a couple of years , i'd rather have bobby gould back than Pulis thats for definite , is he still alive ?

Yeah lives in portishead. He could come to training/games by boat

Also get rid of all Colemans mates, his job for the boys attitude stinks to me. Hartson needs to go he is a liability. Bring in Pulis on a part time basis, he would sort our defence right out and I imagine he would be great to have in the dressing room.

Slag him off all you want for his style of football it worked with Stoke and he's a top manager. Would be a superb assistant and I think he would take on the role if he was allowed to do other work as well.

Agreed. Everyone bashes on Pulis because Stoke were a perceived long ball team.

Not strictly true though. What they were was a v. disciplined pressing team.

stoke were the worst team tactically i have ever seen at the liberty they weren't even looking half the time just lamping it forward to crouch , if that's what you want then wales are fucked because we haven't got the physicality to play that way with midfielders just barging around looking for the knockdowns from a target man we don't have anyway

Yeah, not terrible points waddle. The lack of forwards is certainly a problem.

personally think we have good footballers in defence and midfield when at full strength and we've got to try and use their passing and skill levels , especially midfield

Yeah we do but it's like I said earlier. One or two injuries in the wrong places and its Owain Fon Williams and 16 year olds.

Depressing, really.

would be interesting if just one person would say who they would have as manager considering the money on offer , please don't say Pulis ffs

Give it part time 1st team coach to Brendan Rodgers and have Brian Flynn as Director of Football.

f**k it leave coleman for next qualifiers then put bellamy in after he's done all his badges and calmed down a bit , have the respect and everyone would be shitscared of him

I dont know wether its down to his divorce, maturing, respect for Malky or the fact he cant do what he used to, or a mix of all those things but hes calmed down massively in his 2nd stint with us. Maybe him not being as angry as he was hes lost some if his edge as a player.
I do see him becoming a manager though. Comes across a deep thinker of the game and very articulate which you need in todays media driven game.
Wether he would want to cut his teeth in a job which you are almost guaranteed to fail I am not so sure.

you wouldn't get a prouder welshman if you tried and maybe it might appeal to him in a couple of years , i'd rather have bobby gould back than Pulis thats for definite , is he still alive ?

Hopefully not

Yes agree he is a very proud Welshman. Never let his country down.

Will defo manage Wales ine day thats a given. What stage of his careet he will decide.

After the last 2 results.

Well done all involved. Hopefully this continues

God knows how we are a fecking shambles, I hope him and his team get the boot and we get someone to organise them like Pulis

Coleman is still a clueless jack c**t

this was your opening statement , now you say it's nothing to do with him being a jack ?

No,if it was about him just being a jack,I would have said he's a jack clueless c**t

I havent made out hes a world beater. In fact it is my complete point that he is not.

We are WALES. I think a lot of people are forgetting that. Who do you want? mourniho? Hiddink? Ancelotti? Well im afraid you need to pull your head from your ass.

We have a very strict budget and awful job on offer, almost an impossible one. We havent qualified since the decade after the second world war yet people expect to year after year.

Tis is why Coleman is probably the best realistic candidate out there. Yes his jobs havent been glamerous but im showing that his record isnt "awful" as some suggest, in fact quite the oppsosite. Hes done very well at nearly every job hes been in bar Coventry. This is the type of manager that comes into our bracket. If you are expecting a manager that has won titles then you are going to be very dissappointed.

Why cant people realise who we are, who we can attract and manage their expectations. Then maybe we can start to progress. Whatever Coleman does hes bashed by Cardiff fans. If he wins it was down to Bale, Ramsey, Bellamy yet if he loses its down to him. Its ludicrous and shows the true agenda.

I havent made out hes a world beater. In fact it is my complete point that he is not.

We are WALES. I think a lot of people are forgetting that. Who do you want? mourniho? Hiddink? Ancelotti? Well im afraid you need to pull your head from your ass.

We have a very strict budget and awful job on offer, almost an impossible one. We havent qualified since the decade after the second world war yet people expect to year after year.

Tis is why Coleman is probably the best realistic candidate out there. Yes his jobs havent been glamerous but im showing that his record isnt "awful" as some suggest, in fact quite the oppsosite. Hes done very well at nearly every job hes been in bar Coventry. This is the type of manager that comes into our bracket. If you are expecting a manager that has won titles then you are going to be very dissappointed.

Why cant people realise who we are, who we can attract and manage their expectations. Then maybe we can start to progress. Whatever Coleman does hes bashed by Cardiff fans. If he wins it was down to Bale, Ramsey, Bellamy yet if he loses its down to him. Its ludicrous and shows the true agenda.

Considering we finished lower than Scotland should answer some questions,what world class players have Scotland?,while in bale and Ramsey would fit into that bracket,Coleman should have done better with what players he had

I havent made out hes a world beater. In fact it is my complete point that he is not.

We are WALES. I think a lot of people are forgetting that. Who do you want? mourniho? Hiddink? Ancelotti? Well im afraid you need to pull your head from your ass.

We have a very strict budget and awful job on offer, almost an impossible one. We havent qualified since the decade after the second world war yet people expect to year after year.

Tis is why Coleman is probably the best realistic candidate out there. Yes his jobs havent been glamerous but im showing that his record isnt "awful" as some suggest, in fact quite the oppsosite. Hes done very well at nearly every job hes been in bar Coventry. This is the type of manager that comes into our bracket. If you are expecting a manager that has won titles then you are going to be very dissappointed.

Why cant people realise who we are, who we can attract and manage their expectations. Then maybe we can start to progress. Whatever Coleman does hes bashed by Cardiff fans. If he wins it was down to Bale, Ramsey, Bellamy yet if he loses its down to him. Its ludicrous and shows the true agenda.

Considering we finished lower than Scotland should answer some questions,what world class players have Scotland?,while in bale and Ramsey would fit into that bracket,Coleman should have done better with what players he had

We always have one or two world class players. We had Giggs for 15 years, Ian Rush for 15 years, Mark Hughes for 15 years etc etc and we always finish low. Our pool of players is too small as our national league is a joke. Scotland have their own professional league system and many of their internationals having played or playing Champions League football with either Celtic or Rangers.

I havent made out hes a world beater. In fact it is my complete point that he is not.

We are WALES. I think a lot of people are forgetting that. Who do you want? mourniho? Hiddink? Ancelotti? Well im afraid you need to pull your head from your ass.

We have a very strict budget and awful job on offer, almost an impossible one. We havent qualified since the decade after the second world war yet people expect to year after year.

Tis is why Coleman is probably the best realistic candidate out there. Yes his jobs havent been glamerous but im showing that his record isnt "awful" as some suggest, in fact quite the oppsosite. Hes done very well at nearly every job hes been in bar Coventry. This is the type of manager that comes into our bracket. If you are expecting a manager that has won titles then you are going to be very dissappointed.

Why cant people realise who we are, who we can attract and manage their expectations. Then maybe we can start to progress. Whatever Coleman does hes bashed by Cardiff fans. If he wins it was down to Bale, Ramsey, Bellamy yet if he loses its down to him. Its ludicrous and shows the true agenda.

Considering we finished lower than Scotland should answer some questions,what world class players have Scotland?,while in bale and Ramsey would fit into that bracket,Coleman should have done better with what players he had

We always have one or two world class players. We had Giggs for 15 years, Ian Rush for 15 years, Mark Hughes for 15 years etc etc and we always finish low. Our pool of players is too small as our national league is a joke. Scotland have their own professional league system and many of their internationals having played or playing Champions League football with either Celtic or Rangers.

That's a close call with European football,I think wales might have more players this year playing than Scotland

Scotland will always have players with top level Champions league experience due to their league system. Scotland dont have the greatest pool of players this time round as it goes... But neither do we. We brought a 16 year old from Liverpools academy on and call up the likes of Jazz Richards who is nowhere near our first team.

Im not entirely sure what you are expecting to be honest. Do you think we can attract or afford a manager with a better record than Chris Coleman whos footballing philosophy matches the countries needs and the players we have at hand? If so I know I, and im sure the Welsh FA, would love to know.

Until that time Coleman has done similarly to all the other managers we have had. So unless we are going to get someone truly a different level then what is the point in changing? We have to go through the whole teething stage again and in that time another campaign has been sacrificed.

Scotland will always have players with top level Champions league experience due to their league system. Scotland dont have the greatest pool of players this time round as it goes... But neither do we. We brought a 16 year old from Liverpools academy on and call up the likes of Jazz Richards who is nowhere near our first team.

Im not entirely sure what you are expecting to be honest. Do you think we can attract or afford a manager with a better record than Chris Coleman whos footballing philosophy matches the countries needs and the players we have at hand? If so I know I, and im sure the Welsh FA, would love to know.

Until that time Coleman has done similarly to all the other managers we have had. So unless we are going to get someone truly a different level then what is the point in changing? We have to go through the whole teething stage again and in that time another campaign has been sacrificed.

Hang on you ve jumped your last statement,that Scotland have more players,playing champions league football?are you sure ?

Scotland will always have players with top level Champions league experience due to their league system. Scotland dont have the greatest pool of players this time round as it goes... But neither do we. We brought a 16 year old from Liverpools academy on and call up the likes of Jazz Richards who is nowhere near our first team.

Im not entirely sure what you are expecting to be honest. Do you think we can attract or afford a manager with a better record than Chris Coleman whos footballing philosophy matches the countries needs and the players we have at hand? If so I know I, and im sure the Welsh FA, would love to know.

Until that time Coleman has done similarly to all the other managers we have had. So unless we are going to get someone truly a different level then what is the point in changing? We have to go through the whole teething stage again and in that time another campaign has been sacrificed.

Hang on you ve jumped your last statement,that Scotland have more players,playing champions league football?are you sure ?

I said Scotland have players with more Champions League experience.

We have Bale and Ramsey.

They have Hutton, McGregor, Mulgrew, Naismith, Brown, Fletcher... Thats just off the top of my head.

So yes im pretty sure.

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I havent made out hes a world beater. In fact it is my complete point that he is not.

We are WALES. I think a lot of people are forgetting that. Who do you want? mourniho? Hiddink? Ancelotti? Well im afraid you need to pull your head from your ass.

We have a very strict budget and awful job on offer, almost an impossible one. We havent qualified since the decade after the second world war yet people expect to year after year.

Tis is why Coleman is probably the best realistic candidate out there. Yes his jobs havent been glamerous but im showing that his record isnt "awful" as some suggest, in fact quite the oppsosite. Hes done very well at nearly every job hes been in bar Coventry. This is the type of manager that comes into our bracket. If you are expecting a manager that has won titles then you are going to be very dissappointed.

Why cant people realise who we are, who we can attract and manage their expectations. Then maybe we can start to progress. Whatever Coleman does hes bashed by Cardiff fans. If he wins it was down to Bale, Ramsey, Bellamy yet if he loses its down to him. Its ludicrous and shows the true agenda.

If managers are interested in a ton of money then we could get a really good manager with the money Coleman is getting. If you believe we have a strict budget you are far from it. I agree with the job on offer and almost an impossible one but money wise we are far from 'strict'.

I havent made out hes a world beater. In fact it is my complete point that he is not.

We are WALES. I think a lot of people are forgetting that. Who do you want? mourniho? Hiddink? Ancelotti? Well im afraid you need to pull your head from your ass.

We have a very strict budget and awful job on offer, almost an impossible one. We havent qualified since the decade after the second world war yet people expect to year after year.

Tis is why Coleman is probably the best realistic candidate out there. Yes his jobs havent been glamerous but im showing that his record isnt "awful" as some suggest, in fact quite the oppsosite. Hes done very well at nearly every job hes been in bar Coventry. This is the type of manager that comes into our bracket. If you are expecting a manager that has won titles then you are going to be very dissappointed.

Why cant people realise who we are, who we can attract and manage their expectations. Then maybe we can start to progress. Whatever Coleman does hes bashed by Cardiff fans. If he wins it was down to Bale, Ramsey, Bellamy yet if he loses its down to him. Its ludicrous and shows the true agenda.

If managers are interested in a ton of money then we could get a really good manager with the money Coleman is getting. If you believe we have a strict budget you are far from it. I agree with the job on offer and almost an impossible one but money wise we are far from 'strict'.

100k a year is the figure bandied around.

Thats a world class managers earnings for a fortnight to a month. Our attendances probably dont even cover the cost of the match itself, so how are we rolling in it and able to sign such a manager?

I havent made out hes a world beater. In fact it is my complete point that he is not.

We are WALES. I think a lot of people are forgetting that. Who do you want? mourniho? Hiddink? Ancelotti? Well im afraid you need to pull your head from your ass.

We have a very strict budget and awful job on offer, almost an impossible one. We havent qualified since the decade after the second world war yet people expect to year after year.

Tis is why Coleman is probably the best realistic candidate out there. Yes his jobs havent been glamerous but im showing that his record isnt "awful" as some suggest, in fact quite the oppsosite. Hes done very well at nearly every job hes been in bar Coventry. This is the type of manager that comes into our bracket. If you are expecting a manager that has won titles then you are going to be very dissappointed.

Why cant people realise who we are, who we can attract and manage their expectations. Then maybe we can start to progress. Whatever Coleman does hes bashed by Cardiff fans. If he wins it was down to Bale, Ramsey, Bellamy yet if he loses its down to him. Its ludicrous and shows the true agenda.

If managers are interested in a ton of money then we could get a really good manager with the money Coleman is getting. If you believe we have a strict budget you are far from it. I agree with the job on offer and almost an impossible one but money wise we are far from 'strict'.

100k a year is the figure bandied around.

Thats a world class managers earnings for a fortnight to a month. Our attendances probably dont even cover the cost of the match itself, so how are we rolling in it and able to sign such a manager?

I hadn't heard the salary until today.

if that's his genuine salary I almost feel a bit sorry for Coleman.

To put that in perspective.

Roy Hodgeson, who is no great shakes himself, is on £3 million a year.

Scotland will always have players with top level Champions league experience due to their league system. Scotland dont have the greatest pool of players this time round as it goes... But neither do we. We brought a 16 year old from Liverpools academy on and call up the likes of Jazz Richards who is nowhere near our first team.

Im not entirely sure what you are expecting to be honest. Do you think we can attract or afford a manager with a better record than Chris Coleman whos footballing philosophy matches the countries needs and the players we have at hand? If so I know I, and im sure the Welsh FA, would love to know.

Until that time Coleman has done similarly to all the other managers we have had. So unless we are going to get someone truly a different level then what is the point in changing? We have to go through the whole teething stage again and in that time another campaign has been sacrificed.

Hang on you ve jumped your last statement,that Scotland have more players,playing champions league football?are you sure ?

Your clearly forgetting Ledley and Matthews,plus if it's European football you be forgotten your own sides players
I said Scotland have players with more Champions League experience.

We have Bale and Ramsey.

They have Hutton, McGregor, Mulgrew, Naismith, Brown, Fletcher... Thats just off the top of my head.

So yes im pretty sure.

Scotland will always have players with top level Champions league experience due to their league system. Scotland dont have the greatest pool of players this time round as it goes... But neither do we. We brought a 16 year old from Liverpools academy on and call up the likes of Jazz Richards who is nowhere near our first team.

Im not entirely sure what you are expecting to be honest. Do you think we can attract or afford a manager with a better record than Chris Coleman whos footballing philosophy matches the countries needs and the players we have at hand? If so I know I, and im sure the Welsh FA, would love to know.

Until that time Coleman has done similarly to all the other managers we have had. So unless we are going to get someone truly a different level then what is the point in changing? We have to go through the whole teething stage again and in that time another campaign has been sacrificed.

Hang on you ve jumped your last statement,that Scotland have more players,playing champions league football?are you sure ?

Your clearly forgetting Ledley and Matthews,plus if it's European football you be forgotten your own sides players
I said Scotland have players with more Champions League experience.

We have Bale and Ramsey.

They have Hutton, McGregor, Mulgrew, Naismith, Brown, Fletcher... Thats just off the top of my head.

So yes im pretty sure.

Of course. Bale, Ramsey, Ledley and Matthews. Compared to Hutton, McGregor, Mulgrew, Brown and fletcher. Im sure there are many more if i looked.

I said top level champions league football didnt I, so why would I add Europa league in there? As good as the Europa league is, we dont have the Barcelonas etc.

However you seem to be getting bogged down in this, probably because you thought i was wrong until i proved it which seems your debate is more about point scoring, however the point was to show the strength in having your own league system. Scotland will always have a broader pool to choose from than us, whether we have one or two outstanding players doesnt really matter when the squad is paper thin. History shows that.

Scotland will always have players with top level Champions league experience due to their league system. Scotland dont have the greatest pool of players this time round as it goes... But neither do we. We brought a 16 year old from Liverpools academy on and call up the likes of Jazz Richards who is nowhere near our first team.

Im not entirely sure what you are expecting to be honest. Do you think we can attract or afford a manager with a better record than Chris Coleman whos footballing philosophy matches the countries needs and the players we have at hand? If so I know I, and im sure the Welsh FA, would love to know.

Until that time Coleman has done similarly to all the other managers we have had. So unless we are going to get someone truly a different level then what is the point in changing? We have to go through the whole teething stage again and in that time another campaign has been sacrificed.

Hang on you ve jumped your last statement,that Scotland have more players,playing champions league football?are you sure ?

Your clearly forgetting Ledley and Matthews,plus if it's European football you be forgotten your own sides players
I said Scotland have players with more Champions League experience.

We have Bale and Ramsey.

They have Hutton, McGregor, Mulgrew, Naismith, Brown, Fletcher... Thats just off the top of my head.

So yes im pretty sure.

Of course. Bale, Ramsey, Ledley and Matthews. Compared to Hutton, McGregor, Mulgrew, Brown and fletcher. Im sure there are many more if i looked.

I said top level champions league football didnt I, so why would I add Europa league in there? As good as the Europa league is, we dont have the Barcelonas etc.

However you seem to be getting bogged down in this, probably because you thought i was wrong until i proved it which seems your debate is more about point scoring, however the point was to show the strength in having your own league system. Scotland will always have a broader pool to choose from than us, whether we have one or two outstanding players doesnt really matter when the squad is paper thin. History shows that.

Proving your argument is flawed,you ve brought up players who haven't played at that level for years,I may as well added giggs lol,Scotland's league is piss poor,any tidy Scottish player comes and plays in the premier league

Don't think it's mentioned in this thread, but his style of play is so boring. Against Macedonia and Belgium I watched our back four pass between themselves for ages. It's mind numbingly shit. Every attempt at getting forward they never take a man on, the players just turn and pass back to the defence.

I'm not sure who's the best candidate at the moment, but I don't think it's Coleman, he won't get us anywhere near France 2016

What?

Giggs doesnt play for Wales. So his experience against Top flight European opposition has no baring on the side. My point was that more Scotland players have top level Champions league experience due to their league system which benefits their pool of selection. This is a fact and probably the reason we are pretty much constantly ranked below them since as far back as I can remember.

All for debate but your just being silly now.

Also get rid of all Colemans mates, his job for the boys attitude stinks to me. Hartson needs to go he is a liability. Bring in Pulis on a part time basis, he would sort our defence right out and I imagine he would be great to have in the dressing room.

Slag him off all you want for his style of football it worked with Stoke and he's a top manager. Would be a superb assistant and I think he would take on the role if he was allowed to do other work as well.

so your going to by-pass our strongest dept to whack it up to a target man we don't have

Waddle, learn to read ffs. As an assistant manager his experience would be second to none. Our tactics don't have to change. Say what you want about Pulis but he will get us sorted defensively and really work on our shape. Leave the tactics to others but he would be second to known to have in the dressing room. Top bloke as well, players loved his no nonsense style and we could do with that.

Stop being so short sighted. Coleman needs help, not sacking.

Roath's right, our player pool probably is worse than the jocks.

it's just like the 80s. We had some world class players like Southall, Rush, Hughes and even Ratcliffe but Neil Slatter was at left back and Alan Davies was on the wing!

Same now.

What?

Giggs doesnt play for Wales. So his experience against Top flight European opposition has no baring on the side. My point was that more Scotland players have top level Champions league experience due to their league system which benefits their pool of selection. This is a fact and probably the reason we are pretty much constantly ranked below them since as far back as I can remember.

All for debate but your just being silly now.

The whole debate was started about this years group,I do agree Scotland's pool of players is bigger than wales,but the whole champions league thing Is rubbish,the players you named have play a qualifying game each season then get knocked out,not a great deal of experience there,only celtics players get some sort of run,I may be wrong this season two Scottish players have had a game in the champions league compared to four from wales,so on day to day terms wales must have the strongest team,basically the debate can be changed to suit,I think Coleman is clueless,you think he's done a good job,who could we get to replace him?,options are very limited,but stating facts I believe wales should have finished higher that Scotland and the one reason we never,was because of Coleman