EUROPA LEAGUE CAUSING THEM PROBLEMS?

So last season isn't relevant yet you quote a stat based on a comparison to, err, last season

When comparing direct results against an opponent, of course it is.

When picking a subjective point in time from when to select a run of results, of course it isn't.

Yeah, of course it is. You keep telling yourself that

30 games is a lengthy run and the point was to dismiss the myth that the cup suddenly affected your form when in fact it was already suffering.

Only stating a fact, don't get all twisted an snarly.
It's only a game

Not getting twisted and snarly at all

I'm more than happy with the way we're performing

So last season isn't relevant yet you quote a stat based on a comparison to, err, last season

When comparing direct results against an opponent, of course it is.

When picking a subjective point in time from when to select a run of results, of course it isn't.

Yeah, of course it is. You keep telling yourself that

30 games is a lengthy run and the point was to dismiss the myth that the cup suddenly affected your form when in fact it was already suffering.

Only stating a fact, don't get all twisted an snarly.
It's only a game

Not getting twisted and snarly at all

I'm more than happy with the way we're performing

Fair enough. Just to clarify, when you say you're ahead on points this season against the same opponents, that can only be driven by the west brom win?

So last season isn't relevant yet you quote a stat based on a comparison to, err, last season

When comparing direct results against an opponent, of course it is.

When picking a subjective point in time from when to select a run of results, of course it isn't.

Yeah, of course it is. You keep telling yourself that

30 games is a lengthy run and the point was to dismiss the myth that the cup suddenly affected your form when in fact it was already suffering.

Only stating a fact, don't get all twisted an snarly.
It's only a game

Not getting twisted and snarly at all

I'm more than happy with the way we're performing

Fair enough. Just to clarify, when you say you're ahead on points this season against the same opponents, that can only be driven by the west brom win?

Indeed.

points relative to opponents this season to last:

Man Utd -1
Spurs - Even
WBA - +3
Liverpool - Even
Arsenal - Even
Soton - -1

So that's 1 point up on last seasons relative fixtures. If you add in Palace as the play off winners and replace them with QPR for last season who finishes bottom then it's still 1 point up.

I'm happy with that.

So last season isn't relevant yet you quote a stat based on a comparison to, err, last season

When comparing direct results against an opponent, of course it is.

When picking a subjective point in time from when to select a run of results, of course it isn't.

Yeah, of course it is. You keep telling yourself that

30 games is a lengthy run and the point was to dismiss the myth that the cup suddenly affected your form when in fact it was already suffering.

Only stating a fact, don't get all twisted an snarly.
It's only a game

Not getting twisted and snarly at all

I'm more than happy with the way we're performing

Fair enough. Just to clarify, when you say you're ahead on points this season against the same opponents, that can only be driven by the west brom win?

Indeed.

points relative to opponents this season to last:

Man Utd -1
Spurs - Even
WBA - +3
Liverpool - Even
Arsenal - Even
Soton - -1

So that's 1 point up on last seasons relative fixtures. If you add in Palace as the play off winners and replace them with QPR for last season who finishes bottom then it's still 1 point up.

I'm happy with that.

It looks like palace and QPR may be a fair comparison. Just wish there were 2 more teams as bad as them

What a car crash of a thread carl

Why do you bother?

It's just an excuse for poor form. The Europa league does not effect players performances, they have at least two recovery days. When we play in the championship we have 7 extra games when you count the league cup games, all with a smaller squad.

But so do all the other Championship teams have an extra seven games, so that doesn't make sense ??????

So you are saying that at this early stage in the season players will be too tired to play twice in 4 days? It's just an excuse peddled by managers when they have poor performances. What about all the teams that play on the saturday in the premier league then on the Tuesday in the Champions league? No mention of tired legs there.

Jacks poor game today has f**k all to do with Europe.

Anyone suggesting we played poorly today are off their heads. We dominated the match, created more chances, had more of the ball and man for man played much better than Southampton... Not forgetting we were AWAY - who are a very good side and great candidate (in my opinion, the best candidate) for this years usual "Everton place" (7th-8th).

without seeming blunt, id be far more concerned with your meek performance at home to a team struggling rather than our dominating oerformance away at a club in the top 4.

This thread seems desperate to try and deflect.

You currently are averaging 1 point per game which is relegation form.

In his own words...

The jacks are looking well out of sorts.

Why Laudrup doesn't start Britton every game is beyond me.

Also not sure why he doesn't give young Rory Donnelly a run up front. Wilfrid obviously ain't cutting the mustard.

You currently are averaging 1 point per game which is relegation form.

In his own words...

Are you suggesting i have now changed my mind?

However, thankfully for us we dont have to play Arsenal, Man Utd, Liverpool and Spurs every other game from here on in and the tough games are very much spread out in order to put a few runs together

You currently are averaging 1 point per game which is relegation form.

In his own words...

Are you suggesting i have now changed my mind?

However, thankfully for us we dont have to play Arsenal, Man Utd, Liverpool and Spurs every other game from here on in and the tough games are very much spread out in order to put a few runs together

The problem is after an admittedly difficult run, you come out of it and get turned over by Southampton (who as we know from this thread are mediocre).

Now, banter aside, why isn't Britton the first name on the team sheet? It's not like he's an all action winger who needs to be rested every other game...or 40 years old like Giggs.

I just don't get that.

as the theme is on swansea NJ73 i notice Michu has been called up into Spains squad tonight

didn't realise he was uncapped .

He had his first call up last season Mozzer but think he got injured.

No he didn't.

What happened then?

I remember some of the jacks in work saying he had been called up but didn't end up travelling as he was injured, I guess they were wrong.

He wasn't called up. del Bosque came over to watch him away to Everton but nothing came of it.

That's right, they were wrong, not you just now stating he had been called up

They are a right bunch of muppets

I will take the piss tomorrow as I obviously don't follow the fortunes of your players

A lack of reliable sources seems to have been a problem for you recently

Let's keep this thread about you lot being shit in the league is it, we enjoy it

What is it 3 wins in 17 premier league games for you ?

If you want to trawl back to last season where, as you know we had the cigars out from March on yet still finished 9th, yes.

I'm happy to come back to this in a month and see who is laughing then

Quote (above): "If you want to trawl back to last season where, as you know we had the cigars out from March on yet still finished 9th"

When I referred to this very FACT earlier this year, you (and your ilk) came back at me in your droves. I said at the time, your team/club had been very dishonest and disrespectful by 'coasting' the last part of the season (specifically after Wembley) and you have now confirmed it for me

Perhaps your club should pay compensation to those other clubs affected by your (club's) actions

Oops, sorry fella, I forgot. Your club doesn't do the 'decent thing' when it comes to those they cheat, does it?

Thanks, NJ73

You currently are averaging 1 point per game which is relegation form.

In his own words...

Are you suggesting i have now changed my mind?

However, thankfully for us we dont have to play Arsenal, Man Utd, Liverpool and Spurs every other game from here on in and the tough games are very much spread out in order to put a few runs together

The problem is after an admittedly difficult run, you come out of it and get turned over by Southampton (who as we know from this thread are mediocre).

Now, banter aside, why isn't Britton the first name on the team sheet? It's not like he's an all action winger who needs to be rested every other game...or 40 years old like Giggs.

I just don't get that.

Tell me about it ive never heard anyone refer to this Southampton as mediocre before

Anyway. Im not sure regarding Leon. Laudrup seems to think Canas has the edge on him. They are incredibly similar in my opinion, however britton does make the team flow better as he knows our style and has been here for a decade.

I can only assume that in order for Canas to also understand how we play instinctively then game time is the only way. He is certainly Brittons natural replacement.

You currently are averaging 1 point per game which is relegation form.

In his own words...

Are you suggesting i have now changed my mind?

However, thankfully for us we dont have to play Arsenal, Man Utd, Liverpool and Spurs every other game from here on in and the tough games are very much spread out in order to put a few runs together

The problem is after an admittedly difficult run, you come out of it and get turned over by Southampton (who as we know from this thread are mediocre).

Now, banter aside, why isn't Britton the first name on the team sheet? It's not like he's an all action winger who needs to be rested every other game...or 40 years old like Giggs.

I just don't get that.

Tell me about it ive never heard anyone refer to this Southampton as mediocre before

Anyway. Im not sure regarding Leon. Laudrup seems to think Canas has the edge on him. They are incredibly similar in my opinion, however britton does make the team flow better as he knows our style and has been here for a decade.

I can only assume that in order for Canas to also understand how we play instinctively then game time is the only way. He is certainly Brittons natural replacement.

Well, any more losses and i'm sure you'll see more of him.

Losses are fine. Everybody loses. Losing ones that you are expected to win are the issue and we have been quite big underdogs in every match we have lost so far.

We have Sunderland home next which is the first game of the season ill be going into expecting to win. Lose a few of them in a row and then maybe look at the team and see what needs tweaking. But right now I think the performances have been very good.

Losses are fine. Everybody loses. Losing ones that you are expected to win are the issue and we have been quite big underdogs in every match we have lost so far.

We have Sunderland home next which is the first game of the season ill be going into expecting to win. Lose a few of them in a row and then maybe look at the team and see what needs tweaking. But right now I think the performances have been very good.

Not sure about that, a lot of people were tipping you to turn over Utd. Now, five games in,myou'd have to say they were right too.

Losses are fine. Everybody loses. Losing ones that you are expected to win are the issue and we have been quite big underdogs in every match we have lost so far.

We have Sunderland home next which is the first game of the season ill be going into expecting to win. Lose a few of them in a row and then maybe look at the team and see what needs tweaking. But right now I think the performances have been very good.

Not sure about that, a lot of people were tipping you to turn over Utd. Now, five games in,myou'd have to say they were right too.

People can tip things but it doesnt mean we are favourites, or indeed should win. Their team is worth hundreds of millions.

I don't see why the Europa League is seen as the reason for the defeat, it's because Southampton are a good side and it's a game that we'd have done very well to get a point in. We got three points from the same fixtures last season, swapping Palace for last seasons play off winners West Ham and we look a much improved side from last season. We've had a very difficult run of fixtures, so to say where we currently are in the league s accurate isn't correct. We've played five of the top eight from last season, as well as difficult away trips to Southampton and Crystal Palace and really I'd have been happy with five points at this stage (draws against Southampton, Palace, West Brom, Arsenal, Liverpool) even if we didn't win a game.

Coming up is a run of winable games, particularly at home where we'll be looking to beat Sunderland, West Ham, Stoke, Newcastle and Hull in our next five home games. I'd say anything below 10 points would be a poor taking, and it's a real opportunity for us to push away from the pack.

I don't see what about the performance you would say shows a negative effect on the Europa League, fitness levels were fine, if anything we improved as the game went on. The performance was very good, we dominated the game a lot more than we did in either of last seasons games against Southampton and I thought we were well worthy of a point. The Europa League as it stands is certainly having a good effect on our season, with the impact our new signings are making who've joined due to the Europa League who have allowed us to undoubtedly improve as a side whilst we've performed well in the games just after the Europa League and got both of our wins this season at Palace and West Brom.

I don't see why the Europa League is seen as the reason for the defeat, it's because Southampton are a good side and it's a game that we'd have done very well to get a point in. We got three points from the same fixtures last season, swapping Palace for last seasons play off winners West Ham and we look a much improved side from last season. We've had a very difficult run of fixtures, so to say where we currently are in the league s accurate isn't correct. We've played five of the top eight from last season, as well as difficult away trips to Southampton and Crystal Palace and really I'd have been happy with five points at this stage (draws against Southampton, Palace, West Brom, Arsenal, Liverpool) even if we didn't win a game.

Coming up is a run of winable games, particularly at home where we'll be looking to beat Sunderland, West Ham, Stoke, Newcastle and Hull in our next five home games. I'd say anything below 10 points would be a poor taking, and it's a real opportunity for us to push away from the pack.

I don't see what about the performance you would say shows a negative effect on the Europa League, fitness levels were fine, if anything we improved as the game went on. The performance was very good, we dominated the game a lot more than we did in either of last seasons games against Southampton and I thought we were well worthy of a point. The Europa League as it stands is certainly having a good effect on our season, with the impact our new signings are making who've joined due to the Europa League who have allowed us to undoubtedly improve as a side whilst we've performed well in the games just after the Europa League and got both of our wins this season at Palace and West Brom.

The only team we have been favourites to beat going into the match is Crystal Palace and we beat them comfortably. As you said, we have had an incredibly hard start, almost unheard of.

5 of last years top 8 in our first 8 games is insane and our start is pretty much the same as last year in terms of points return... Not to mention also topping the europa league group. Good times indeed.

The only team we have been favourites to beat going into the match is Crystal Palace and we beat them comfortably. As you said, we have had an incredibly hard start, almost unheard of.

5 of last years top 8 in our first 8 games is insane and our start is pretty much the same as last year in terms of points return... Not to mention also topping the europa league group. Good times indeed.

We're only a point behind the eight points we had at this stage last season, despite us only playing one of the top eight from the season before (Everton at home). There's clear signs of progress and we're well on course for a top ten finish.

Swanseas first batch of games is no excuse, they should be picking up points with the new upgraded squad.

Swanseas first batch of games is no excuse, they should be picking up points with the new upgraded squad.

We are.

We're one point up already on last seasons results against respective opponents despite the extra games in between

Swanseas first batch of games is no excuse, they should be picking up points with the new upgraded squad.

We are.

We're one point up already on last seasons results against respective opponents despite the extra games in between

Fair do's, NJ73, you really do do your research in order to obtain ANY grain of comfort for your team's current predicament, but anyone can see you've bitten off more than you can chew this season and (as I've said before) the established teams in the Premier League have 'sussed' your style of play and are making adjustments to stifle you...and it is working an absolute treat whatever you say

Plus they have only managed an average of 1 point per game which RoathMagic assures me is relegation form.

Plus they have only managed an average of 1 point per game which RoathMagic assures me is relegation form.

Of course it is. A point oer game gives you 38 points and sees you relegated more often than not.

However as ive explained, that takes into consideration you playing the same quality of opposition for the rest of the season.

Luckily for us 62% of our games so far have been against last years top 8 (5 of our 8 games). I think 38 points gained after 62% of your seasons matches against the top 8 is fantastic when in reality it should only be 40% like everyone else.

Swanseas first batch of games is no excuse, they should be picking up points with the new upgraded squad.

We are.

We're one point up already on last seasons results against respective opponents despite the extra games in between

Fair do's, NJ73, you really do do your research in order to obtain ANY grain of comfort for your team's current predicament, but anyone can see you've bitten off more than you can chew this season and (as I've said before) the established teams in the Premier League have 'sussed' your style of play and are making adjustments to stifle you...and it is working an absolute treat whatever you say

He is correct though isnt he.

We are doing better than last year, and all this while topping our European group. We have also won 2 of our 3 games which followed a european game.

You currently are averaging 1 point per game which is relegation form.

In his own words...

Are you suggesting i have now changed my mind?

However, thankfully for us we dont have to play Arsenal, Man Utd, Liverpool and Spurs every other game from here on in and the tough games are very much spread out in order to put a few runs together

The problem is after an admittedly difficult run, you come out of it and get turned over by Southampton (who as we know from this thread are mediocre).

Now, banter aside, why isn't Britton the first name on the team sheet? It's not like he's an all action winger who needs to be rested every other game...or 40 years old like Giggs.

I just don't get that.

unless injured or being rested britton should be playing no doubt about it

You currently are averaging 1 point per game which is relegation form.

In his own words...

Are you suggesting i have now changed my mind?

However, thankfully for us we dont have to play Arsenal, Man Utd, Liverpool and Spurs every other game from here on in and the tough games are very much spread out in order to put a few runs together

The problem is after an admittedly difficult run, you come out of it and get turned over by Southampton (who as we know from this thread are mediocre).

Now, banter aside, why isn't Britton the first name on the team sheet? It's not like he's an all action winger who needs to be rested every other game...or 40 years old like Giggs.

I just don't get that.

unless injured or being rested britton should be playing no doubt about it

Whos ahead on the stats Canas or Britton?

Swanseas first batch of games is no excuse, they should be picking up points with the new upgraded squad.

what a ridiculous statement ! so it doesn't matter who we play we should win because we spent money on new players ,
you've written some pearlers before but thats got to be the best

You currently are averaging 1 point per game which is relegation form.

In his own words...

Are you suggesting i have now changed my mind?

However, thankfully for us we dont have to play Arsenal, Man Utd, Liverpool and Spurs every other game from here on in and the tough games are very much spread out in order to put a few runs together

The problem is after an admittedly difficult run, you come out of it and get turned over by Southampton (who as we know from this thread are mediocre).

Now, banter aside, why isn't Britton the first name on the team sheet? It's not like he's an all action winger who needs to be rested every other game...or 40 years old like Giggs.

I just don't get that.

unless injured or being rested britton should be playing no doubt about it

Whos ahead on the stats Canas or Britton?

canas is better than britton and medel