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You arent a big gun by finishing 6th once either

If you arent a contender for the title or for champions league qualification then you arent a big gun, Everton dont fall into this category and baring once in their premier league history.... Never have.

If you think they do then as i said, name your price

Right so the top 6 this season are big guns but not last season. And it's history that's important, not where you will finish in the future. And it's the bookies that decide who will finish where, not according to results and how good a team is.

That makes perfect sense

Right so the top 6 this season are big guns but not last season. And it's history that's important, not where you will finish in the future. And it's the bookies that decide who will finish where, not according to results and how good a team is.

That makes perfect sense

Any teams in with a serious shot of the title is a big gun. Everton are not and have never been in their history,

The bookies give a fair representation of the quality of the teams discussed.

The reason you think they are a big gun is because you think they may scrape a europa place which is the best they hope for each season

Right so the top 6 this season are big guns but not last season. And it's history that's important, not where you will finish in the future. And it's the bookies that decide who will finish where, not according to results and how good a team is.

That makes perfect sense

Any teams in with a serious shot of the title is a big gun. Everton are not and have never been in their history,

The bookies give a fair representation of the quality of the teams discussed.

The reason you think they are a big gun is because you think they may scrape a europa place which is the best they hope for each season

Never in their history?

You do realise the PL is simply a rebrand of the old Div 1 which Everton won 8 or 9 times? Runner up other times.
Are you saying Liverpool have rarely been in with a shot of winning the title in their history?
How close have spurs been in recent times?

Right so the top 6 this season are big guns but not last season. And it's history that's important, not where you will finish in the future. And it's the bookies that decide who will finish where, not according to results and how good a team is.

That makes perfect sense

Any teams in with a serious shot of the title is a big gun. Everton are not and have never been in their history,

The bookies give a fair representation of the quality of the teams discussed.

The reason you think they are a big gun is because you think they may scrape a europa place which is the best they hope for each season

Never in their history?

You do realise the PL is simply a rebrand of the old Div 1 which Everton won 8 or 9 times?
Are you saying Liverpool have rarely been in with a shot of winning the title in their history?
How close have spurs been in recent times?

Never in premier league history which ive stated many times in this thread. I thought we were at the stage where you understood that we were talking about the premier, guess i gave you too much credit and will clarify every time from now on

Ive told you a big gun is a club who is a threat to the title and a champions league place (top 4) Spurs have finished in the top 4 twice in the last 4 seasons, and 5th the other two times. They have competed in the champions league recently too stuffing inter milan.

If the clubs realistic best hope is to finish in a europa spot season after season then you are not one of the big guns.

Right so the top 6 this season are big guns but not last season. And it's history that's important, not where you will finish in the future. And it's the bookies that decide who will finish where, not according to results and how good a team is.

That makes perfect sense

Any teams in with a serious shot of the title is a big gun. Everton are not and have never been in their history,

The bookies give a fair representation of the quality of the teams discussed.

The reason you think they are a big gun is because you think they may scrape a europa place which is the best they hope for each season

Never in their history?

You do realise the PL is simply a rebrand of the old Div 1 which Everton won 8 or 9 times?
Are you saying Liverpool have rarely been in with a shot of winning the title in their history?
How close have spurs been in recent times?

Never in premier league history which ive stated many times in this thread. I thought we were at the stage where you understood that we were talking about the premier, guess i gave you too much credit and will clarify every time from now on

Ive told you a big gun is a club who is a threat to the title and a champions league place (top 4) Spurs have finished in the top 4 twice in the last 4 seasons, and 5th the other two times. They have competed in the champions league recently too stuffing inter milan.

If the clubs realistic best hope is to finish in a europa spot season after season then you are not one of the big guns.

In your opinion, not mine.
Everton and spurs been in the CL once, league positions close.
You fail to give them credit for 6th last season and rank Liverpool above them as they won the CL 8 years ago. The relevance that has to this season I fail to see. At one point last season they were 3 points off 4th with a few games to go.

For me Everton will finish top 7 (maybe 6 or 5) and as last season will be in the hunt for a CL place but may just fade away again. That still ranks them as a PL big gun for me

In your opinion, not mine.
Everton and spurs been in the CL once, league positions close.
You fail to give them credit for 6th last season and rank Liverpool above them as they won the CL 8 years ago. The relevance that has to this season I fail to see. At one point last season they were 3 points off 4th with a few games to go.

For me Everton will finish top 7 (maybe 6 or 5) and as last season will be in the hunt for a CL place but may just fade away again. That still ranks them as a PL big gun for me

Everton finished 4th 10 years ago, they have no players to my knowledge still from that era and a solitary foray in the champions league wont bear fruit 10 years later.

Spurs recently have an average position of 4.5, which is a borderline champions league position. Evertons average position is barely europa league. Consistant Champions league challengers are big guns. Everton arent and have never been (in the oremier league era.).

Everton are not one of the big guns, spurs are which is why they are odds on to get a champions league spot.

In your opinion, not mine.
Everton and spurs been in the CL once, league positions close.
You fail to give them credit for 6th last season and rank Liverpool above them as they won the CL 8 years ago. The relevance that has to this season I fail to see. At one point last season they were 3 points off 4th with a few games to go.

For me Everton will finish top 7 (maybe 6 or 5) and as last season will be in the hunt for a CL place but may just fade away again. That still ranks them as a PL big gun for me

Everton finished 4th 10 years ago, they have no players to my knowledge still from that era and a solitary foray in the champions league wont bear fruit 10 years later.

Spurs recently have an average position of 4.5, which is a borderline champions league position. Evertons average position is barely europa league. Consistant Champions league challengers are big guns. Everton arent and have never been (in the oremier league era.).

Everton are not one of the big guns, spurs are which is why they are odds on to get a champions league spot.

No bearing on this season where I think Everton will be a big gun. Again.

Loved the way you wrote off all league history pre PL. Liverpool fans will not be happy

Yeah like i said, name your price.

And no i dont think challenging 30 years ago for the top title and not since makes you a big club today. Ill tell liverpool fans that too, luckily for them they won the champions league and have challenged for the top 4 many times not so long ago and likely to do the latter again this season.

Yeah like i said, name your price.

And no i dont think challenging 30 years ago for the top title and not since makes you a big club today. Ill tell liverpool fans that too, luckily for them they won the champions league and have challenged for the top 4 many times not so long ago and likely to do the latter again this season.

As Everton will IMO.

Not going to bet with you though, you won't pay up.

Yeah like i said, name your price.

And no i dont think challenging 30 years ago for the top title and not since makes you a big club today. Ill tell liverpool fans that too, luckily for them they won the champions league and have challenged for the top 4 many times not so long ago and likely to do the latter again this season.

As Everton will IMO.

Not going to bet with you though, you won't pay up.

I always pay up.

You think everton are going to challenge for top 4 and maybe the title now? You changed your tune, it was 6th/7th earlier

Post your substantial bet up from your beloved paddy power then, surely you will want to cash in on this opinion as im sure its not just based on an obsession with Roathie now is it

Yeah like i said, name your price.

And no i dont think challenging 30 years ago for the top title and not since makes you a big club today. Ill tell liverpool fans that too, luckily for them they won the champions league and have challenged for the top 4 many times not so long ago and likely to do the latter again this season.

As Everton will IMO.

Not going to bet with you though, you won't pay up.

I always pay up.

You think everton are going to challenge for top 4 and maybe the title now? You changed your tune, it was 6th/7th earlier

Post your substantial bet up from your beloved paddy power then, surely you will want to cash in on this opinion as im sure its not just based on an obsession with Roathie now is it

Who mentioned the title? It's your style, post lies to try and back up a failing point. They may finish 6th, 7th or even 4th or 5th. The fact is your still in the hunt for 4th and above until its gone. With a few games to go last season Everton were 3 points off 4th. As I said they faded and may do again. They may not.

The only obsessions at play here are you with gambling (easy when you welch on your bets I suppose) and your burning passion to want to troll

Who mentioned the title? It's your style, post lies to try and back up a failing point. They may finish 6th, 7th or even 4th or 5th. The fact is your still in the hunt for 4th and above until its gone. With a few games to go last season Everton were 3 points off 4th. As I said they faded and may do again. They may not.

The only obsessions at play here are you with gambling (easy when you welch on your bets I suppose) and your burning passion to want to troll

I did. I said a big gun is someone that can challenge the top 4 and be a threat to the title... You said "like everton this season imo" even though earlier you said "i think they will finish 6th or 7th" now whats the lie carpe?

By your opinion Swansea are a big gun too, we can still make 4th until its mathematically gone right? Everton have finished 4th ince in oremier league history a decade ago

Being a troll is stating an opinion that many wont hold backed by nothing just to cause a stir. I think that covers you more than me, i dont think you will have many with the opinion Everton are one of the big ones because they finished 6th last year

You have always had an obsession with me, i take it as a compliment dont worry. You create your own opinion just so you can go against mine, i know you dont think Everton are one of the big guns, but the dance is fun

It's ok roath I realise use you're now using this obsession line to try and regain some high ground. Seen it all before with you and you're very predictable. I knew you would come back with the mathematical line, again predictable. The context was Everton being 3 points off 4th with 3 games or so to go. Twist it all you want

Throughout I've stated Everton will be 7th to 5th, never mentioned the title. But again you take the easy option and jump on the key words then form your own sentence around them. It's your style and its trolling but I'm five with it as I see through it and enjoy playing the game and watching you trip yourself up

I'm quite happy to call Everton a top 7 side and for me they are a big gun. Just because I don't agree with your ever changing definition doesn't make either of us right. Why you then insist on preaching everything you say must be right is hilarious. Why can't you just accept opinions differ? You must be a very highly strung individual?

Shame your main thrill in life is stats and having to have the last word on every thread you taint

PS It's not too late to settle your bets

It's ok roath I realise use you're now using this obsession line to try and regain some high ground. Seen it all before with you and you're very predictable. I knew you would come back with the mathematical line, again predictable. The context was Everton being 3 points off 4th with 3 games or so to go. Twist it all you want

so you have changed the goalposts and you now have to be close woth three games to go? I cant help feeling you have created that rule to help your ailing "opinion"

Throughout I've stated Everton will be 7th to 5th, never mentioned the title. But again you take the easy option and jump on the key words then form your own sentence around them. It's your style and its trolling but I'm five with it as I see through it and enjoy playing the game and watching you trip yourself up

so if someone has no chance of the title then how can they be a big gun? By calling everton a big gun and liverpool not is trolling in itself. Im holding the majority opinion here. Everton are not one of the big guns due to the fact they consistently finish 6th - 12th. Simple really.

I'm quite happy to call Everton a top 7 side and for me they are a big gun. Just because I don't agree with your ever changing definition doesn't make either of us right. Why you then insist on preaching everything you say must be right is hilarious. Why can't you just accept opinions differ? You must be a very highly strung individual?

you can call them what you want. But they arent one of the big guns and being 7th barely gets you into the europa league, to be a big gun, you have to compete in the big competitions... The champions league. Everton are not a contender for this and almost never are... So they arent a big gumn

Shame your main thrill in life is stats and having to have the last word on every thread you taint

PS It's not too late to settle your bets

says the man who makes up an opinion no matter how ridiculous to try and get a rise out of someone they know doesnt fall for it

You would never know about bet settling as you dont even know your opinion to back it, all you know is its the opposite of mine

The point is they were challenging for 4th, a CL place. Didn't make it, but were in the hunt until very late.
It's not difficult to understand is it?

For me, any team that can finish top 6 in the Pl one season, then the following its fair to assume they will be up there again. For me it's as simple as that. Not always a given but when they make good signings then its reasonable to assume. You don't have to worry about who won what 10 years or 5 years ago, it's about who will be up there this season - the big guns in the top positions that will take some beating.

I understand your view and as usual you can't accept others may disagree with you. Why the hell you can't just wait for it all to unfold is beyond me.

The point is they were challenging for 4th, a CL place. Didn't make it, but were in the hunt until very late.
It's not difficult to understand is it?

you aid it doesnt matter about that though didnt you? Or have you moved the goalposts again? Im sure i used the word consistency didn't I? One failed top 4 challenge in 9 years does not a big gun make.

For me, any team that can finish top 6 in the Pl one season, then the following its fair to assume they will be up there again. For me it's as simple as that. Not always a given but when they make good signings then its reasonable to assume. You don't have to worry about who won what 10 years or 5 years ago, it's about who will be up there this season - the big guns in the top positions that will take some beating.

but they arent "up there". Up there suggests challenging for elite competition. Finishing 6th 7th or 8th doesnt make you a big gun,

I understand your view and as usual you can't accept others may disagree with you. Why the hell you can't just wait for it all to unfold is beyond me.

im more than happy to accept it, bit its my belief that its not an opinion you truly hold. You have a history of this type of thing, the fact is we are talking about the elite this season. There is no way anyone can say .everton fall into this category. Tottenham have just spent £100m on the back of a 4th placed finish.

We've played 2 out of last seasons top 6. Until this season pans out that's the latest factual ranking. Top 6 for me means big guns. Simple.

Disagree all you want, ill beg to differ.

We've played 2 out of last seasons top 6. Until this season pans out that's the latest factual ranking. Top 6 for me means big guns. Simple.

Disagree all you want, ill beg to differ.

You said it doesnt matter about the past. Goal post move number 101.

Everton are not a big gun

We've played 2 out of last seasons top 6. Until this season pans out that's the latest factual ranking. Top 6 for me means big guns. Simple.

Disagree all you want, ill beg to differ.

You said it doesnt matter about the past. Goal post move number 101.

Everton are not a big gun

You're the one who brought history into it

And you said it doesnt matter, so its weird for you to back up your opinion up with something you think doesnt matter.

And you said it doesnt matter, so its weird for you to back up your opinion up with something you think doesnt matter.

Reigning top 6 finishers then, like Man U are the current PL champions
Still history of course and I made the point earlier that if history is relevant then it's the previous season that has the most merit, not your averages from 13 years ago

Still doesn't change my opinion. What do you want me to say?

Predictable, pedantic Roath,

And you said it doesnt matter, so its weird for you to back up your opinion up with something you think doesnt matter.

Reigning top 6 finishers then, like Man U are the current PL champions
Still history of course and I made the point earlier that if history is relevant then it's the previous season that has the most merit, not your averages from 13 years ago

Still doesn't change my opinion. What do you want me to say?

Predictable, pedantic Roath,

Reigning top 6 finishers? heard it all now, even creating your own labeled teams. I think thats goal post move 102.

And you said it doesnt matter, so its weird for you to back up your opinion up with something you think doesnt matter.

Reigning top 6 finishers then, like Man U are the current PL champions
Still history of course and I made the point earlier that if history is relevant then it's the previous season that has the most merit, not your averages from 13 years ago

Still doesn't change my opinion. What do you want me to say?

Predictable, pedantic Roath,

Reigning top 6 finishers? heard it all now, even creating your own labeled teams. I think thats goal post move 102.

Shame it's a fact though eh

Like Everton not being a big gun then

Like Everton not being a big gun then

No that's opinion
in mine top 6 says they are.

Like Everton not being a big gun then

No that's opinion
in mine top 6 says they are.

No its a fact. You cant be a big gun and not be in the group challenging for champions league.

Everton arent.

Name your price. (This is familiar)

Like Everton not being a big gun then

No that's opinion
in mine top 6 says they are.

No its a fact. You cant be a big gun and not be in the group challenging for champions league.

Everton arent.

Name your price. (This is familiar)

In your opinion, unless you can provide me with a PL official definition?

Pay your bets and ill consider it. Until then ill stick with PP

Always pay my bets. Maybe you should try backing your opinions up with them i await the hefty sum placed with PP via a screenshot, hiw can they be such high odds being such big guns and all

Always pay my bets. Maybe you should try backing your opinions up with them i await the hefty sum placed with PP via a screenshot, hiw can they be such high odds being such big guns and all

Whether I bet or not proves nothing either way. Everton finished 6th. Fact.

You welched on a bet. Fact.

How's that for backing my opinion?