Questions for religious believers?

Its about time that someone mentioned the amount of pedophilia involved in the christian church isn't it!!

"suffer the little children to come unto me"

Disgusting CHRISTIAN priests have practiced this and then lied about it saying it didn't exist. Stole these kids childhood in a lot of cases. Thats a few commandments blown out of the water. They are some of the wealthiest organisations in the world.

Religion is a vehicle for the weak and feeble minded to hide behind.

!t is also a front for organised Crime.

Needless to say, I think its ALL BULLSHIT.

What happened was extremely wrong and completely against everything those priests were supposed to believe. I'm a Christian and it makes me just as angry as anyone.

Though it's very unfair to condemn the whole Church as a response, especially when its figures show a lower % of people involved in child abuse than other areas of work.

Ah now it all fits would you by any chance be a jehova,s witness? which is sect set up by a layman to con money from the public.

Keep them away from my door please.

What about Islam and Judaism? They worship the same God as Christians do.

As with most bigots they just clam up when they are challenged with facts.

I know nothing about either of those religions so why would I talk about them? I was brought up going to Sunday School and that focused on Christianity. Why should I even mention other religions? Its all nonsense anyway. Lord of the Rings fairytale stuff all of it.

Ah now it all fits would you by any chance be a jehova,s witness? which is sect set up by a layman to con money from the public.

I waiting for your answer God Boy!!!!

are you talking to me? I must have missed the question?!

What happened was extremely wrong and completely against everything those priests were supposed to believe. I'm a Christian and it makes me just as angry as anyone.

Though it's very unfair to condemn the whole Church as a response, especially when its figures show a lower % of people involved in child abuse than other areas of work.

I agree with you here for once. It is wrong to condemn the whole church for the actions of few. I don't believe they should be to blame for the disgusting actions of an obvious minority.

Would still like the initial questions answered though with factual answers. Tick tock thats the sound of the clock.

What about Islam and Judaism? They worship the same God as Christians do.

Was that question aimed at me, I believe the origins of their beliefs can be tracked back to the same source. But look at the islam belief now, its not similar to ours. Yes they have extremists but I am not eluding to that. They have the Qaran which may have similarities to the bible of christianity but is completely different. So how can you have 3 religions all believing in the same god yet their religious beliefs are completely different. I am not trying to argue here just my simple mind trying to get some answers

What about Islam and Judaism? They worship the same God as Christians do.

Was that question aimed at me, I believe the origins of their beliefs can be tracked back to the same source. But look at the islam belief now, its not similar to ours. Yes they have extremists but I am not eluding to that. They have the Qaran which may have similarities to the bible of christianity but is completely different. So how can you have 3 religions all believing in the same god yet their religious beliefs are completely different. I am not trying to argue here just my simple mind trying to get some answers

You got no chance getting decent answers here. More chance rubbing your lamp and a genie popping out than getting some logical answers here.

I waiting for your answer God Boy!!!!

Ok if you want to say that GOD doesn't exist because of all the shit things that happen everyday on the planet,
What about all the good things that happen? who are gonna attribute them to?

What about Islam and Judaism? They worship the same God as Christians do.

Was that question aimed at me, I believe the origins of their beliefs can be tracked back to the same source. But look at the islam belief now, its not similar to ours. Yes they have extremists but I am not eluding to that. They have the Qaran which may have similarities to the bible of christianity but is completely different. So how can you have 3 religions all believing in the same god yet their religious beliefs are completely different. I am not trying to argue here just my simple mind trying to get some answers

NO my friend that was just bad timing. I was talking to the jbccfc Jehovah witness boy with the Rose tinted specs and no mind of his own.

I agree religion has done a lot of bad in this world but your questions are primarily to do with the text so I shall focus on that. A few things to understand is that the bible is best understood as a series of allegorical stories. Therefore rather than say, David was a generous man, the bible would say, David went out into the markets and gave away all the food he had to the hungry and the needy. The second part did not happen, that is irrelevant, the point is that David was a generous man. You are taking a literal reading of the bible and imposing our rather modern conception of how history should be documented to a period (probably around 300 a.d) which had a completely different idea of what history was. I believe that answers your first two questions and your rather banal attempts at being funny.
For your third question this is what also annoys me about religion, so if there is someone who knows more about it than I do I would love to read, about the role of the female. It seems strange to me as well that immaculate conception is believed to be good, if I was to hazard a guess it would be perhaps to do with man being inherently born with sin, and for the son of God to have been created by sex in the traditional way would perhaps have connotations of being impure.
Because we have our own self agency and freedom?
His creations are not perfect

Overall though I would suggest (if you are actually curious about these questions) reading philosophers and academics that have been struggling with the implications of a monotheistic world for many years, and if you are from Cardiff you can sign up for the library and enjoy these books for free.... Or alternatively you could continue to pick out little bits from the Testaments (I would recommend Leviticus for that real Old Testament crazyness) and post them to a football forum and make snarky ill-informed jokes to the delight of 'noone'

Christianity has done a lot less bad than other institutions and a lot more good as well.

Why as an atheist are you giving people incorrect knowledge about the Bible, that's a load of trash and no wonder you are an atheist if that's your understanding of God's Word.

Immaculate conception is good because it was a miracle that gave us the Man who died in our place for our sins.

I would suggest all of you naysayers here actually read the Bible and understand the actual context, the lack of knowledge in this forum is frightening. Maybe even go to a good Church (lots of them in Cardiff...City Temple, Glenwood, Highfields are just three) and find answers there.

NO my friend that was just bad timing. I was talking to the jbccfc Jehovah witness boy with the Rose tinted specs and no mind of his own.

Rose tinted specs? Says the guy who follows the bible as a way of a guide for his life. You couldn't make this up. Im an atheist with a free will and I make my own decisions. I don't need the 10 commandments to tell me what to do. Its rather simple really thinking for yourself. Try it sometime Moses.

What happened was extremely wrong and completely against everything those priests were supposed to believe. I'm a Christian and it makes me just as angry as anyone.

Though it's very unfair to condemn the whole Church as a response, especially when its figures show a lower % of people involved in child abuse than other areas of work.

I agree with you here for once. It is wrong to condemn the whole church for the actions of few. I don't believe they should be to blame for the disgusting actions of an obvious minority.

Would still like the initial questions answered though with factual answers. Tick tock thats the sound of the clock.

Considering your idea of facts is things you can see, giving you any about an event that happened thousands of years ago, on the internet, is a pretty ridiculous ask. What we can, and someone already has, give you is good rational answers to the questions that explain them easily. However, you are not interested in answers just in mocking and someone has already answered them well enough in my opinion.

NO my friend that was just bad timing. I was talking to the jbccfc Jehovah witness boy with the Rose tinted specs and no mind of his own.

Rose tinted specs? Says the guy who follows the bible as a way of a guide for his life. You couldn't make this up. Im an atheist with a free will and I make my own decisions. I don't need the 10 commandments to tell me what to do. Its rather simple really thinking for yourself. Try it sometime Moses.

Christians has free will as well you know? We CHOOSE to follow God, God doesn't make us.

You got no chance getting decent answers here. More chance rubbing your lamp and a genie popping out than getting some logical answers here.

Wait stop the press...CCFC forum isn't the bastion of religious knowledge?!? Don't all people faced with an existential crisis immediately log on to sport forums to post the questions searching for meaning?

Again like I said in my last response, you are looking for 'logical' answers to allegorical stories, and will inevitably be unsatisfying. But I feel I have answered your questions, if you feel otherwise please say why

I waiting for your answer God Boy!!!!

Ok if you want to say that GOD doesn't exist because of all the shit things that happen everyday on the planet,
What about all the good things that happen? who are gonna attribute them to?

and, to be fair, the Bible is pretty honest about this worlds corruption and how things turned bad. But I don't think anyone on here has actually properly read it!!

Christians are seen as a soft touch. Easy to have a go against Christians, because they won't really do anything back. A lot of atheists are afraid to have a go at Judaism, for fear of being called anti-Semitic. Afraid of having a go at Muslims, because they are not afraid to have a go back, in more ways than one! Remember Salman Rushdie?

Having a go at Christians is a bit like trying to be hard at Fulham, but giving Millwall or West Ham a miss.

At least Richard Dawkins has the guts to criticise all religion, including Islam. He does not hide behind this 'I only know about Christianity' stuff.

Cardiff is a multicultural city. I lived there for 34 years, worked in Tiger Bay for eight years. Met, and worked with all kinds. All denomination of Christians, Jews, Muslims, (shia and sunni), Hindus, Sikhs, even a Buddhist. Plenty of atheists too.

Live and let live, eh?

I waiting for your answer God Boy!!!!

Ok if you want to say that GOD doesn't exist because of all the shit things that happen everyday on the planet,
What about all the good things that happen? who are gonna attribute them to?

Im saying he never existed, apart from in weak peoples mind .I was saying that Religion causes this barbaric behaviour.
Good things are great it just called life . Generally due to someones hard work.

What about Islam and Judaism? They worship the same God as Christians do.

Was that question aimed at me, I believe the origins of their beliefs can be tracked back to the same source. But look at the islam belief now, its not similar to ours. Yes they have extremists but I am not eluding to that. They have the Qaran which may have similarities to the bible of christianity but is completely different. So how can you have 3 religions all believing in the same god yet their religious beliefs are completely different. I am not trying to argue here just my simple mind trying to get some answers

You got no chance getting decent answers here. More chance rubbing your lamp and a genie popping out than getting some logical answers here.

Especially since you have given up knowledge and haven't told me where the laws of logic come from according to your worldview??

I waiting for your answer God Boy!!!!

Ok if you want to say that GOD doesn't exist because of all the shit things that happen everyday on the planet,
What about all the good things that happen? who are gonna attribute them to?

and, to be fair, the Bible is pretty honest about this worlds corruption and how things turned bad. But I don't think anyone on here has actually properly read it!!

Oh! So its not the most up to date information on corruption then?

Pretentious little Christian Prick

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Christians are seen as a soft touch. Easy to have a go against Christians, because they won't really do anything back. A lot of atheists are afraid to have a go at Judaism, for fear of being called anti-Semitic. Afraid of having a go at Muslims, because they are not afraid to have a go back, in more ways than one! Remember Salman Rushdie?

Having a go at Christians is a bit like trying to be hard at Fulham, but giving Millwall or West Ham a miss.

At least Richard Dawkins has the guts to criticise all religion, including Islam. He does not hide behind this 'I only know about Christianity' stuff.

Cardiff is a multicultural city. I lived there for 34 years, worked in Tiger Bay for eight years. Met, and worked with all kinds. All denomination of Christians, Jews, Muslims, (shia and sunni), Hindus, Sikhs, even a Buddhist. Plenty of atheists too.

Live and let live, eh?

To be fair, Dawkins is indeed clueless about more than one religion.

I waiting for your answer God Boy!!!!

Ok if you want to say that GOD doesn't exist because of all the shit things that happen everyday on the planet,
What about all the good things that happen? who are gonna attribute them to?

and, to be fair, the Bible is pretty honest about this worlds corruption and how things turned bad. But I don't think anyone on here has actually properly read it!!

Pretentious little Christian Prick

Have you ever read Genesis 3?

No need for that, there really isn't.

Considering your idea of facts is things you can see, giving you any about an event that happened thousands of years ago, on the internet, is a pretty ridiculous ask. What we can, and someone already has, give you is good rational answers to the questions that explain them easily. However, you are not interested in answers just in mocking and someone has already answered them well enough in my opinion.

Not really. Facts are not what you can only see. For example, it is fact that air exists but you cannot see it. However, that is scientifically backed up and its proven thats its made up of different elements, all of which can be found on the periodic table.

Yet again, not true answer with factual sources or information to prove God exists.

Christians has free will as well you know? We CHOOSE to follow God, God doesn't make us.

Yes that's fair enough but you then follow the bible for the rest of your life and act as it tells you to do so. That is pathetic.

Your level of delusion is outstanding. No wonder the media gets away with murder with such sheep in the world willing to follow anything printed.

I waiting for your answer God Boy!!!!

Ok if you want to say that GOD doesn't exist because of all the shit things that happen everyday on the planet,
What about all the good things that happen? who are gonna attribute them to?

and, to be fair, the Bible is pretty honest about this worlds corruption and how things turned bad. But I don't think anyone on here has actually properly read it!!

Pretentious little Christian Prick

Have you ever read Genesis 3?

No need for that, there really isn't.

Have I read Genisis. I saw em live three times.

Especially since you have given up knowledge and haven't told me where the laws of logic come from according to your worldview??

Science. Its there for you to see. Its maths most of it in its simplest form. Of course much too complex for you to comprehend.

Not really. Facts are not what you can only see. For example, it is fact that air exists but you cannot see it. However, that is scientifically backed up and its proven thats its made up of different elements, all of which can be found on the periodic table.

That's the example I gave you earlier to contradict your view so glad to see you are learning things from this debate

Yet again, not true answer with factual sources or information to prove God exists.

I want to know how you can know anything is true first

Yes that's fair enough but you then follow the bible for the rest of your life and act as it tells you to do so. That is pathetic.

Your level of delusion is outstanding. No wonder the media gets away with murder with such sheep in the world willing to follow anything printed.

No, I choose to try my best to live by it because I believe it's the best way to live and it is certainly far more joyful and peace filled than the first 17 years of my life.

And I don't read newspapers, I think they're all full of trash

I waiting for your answer God Boy!!!!

Ok if you want to say that GOD doesn't exist because of all the shit things that happen everyday on the planet,
What about all the good things that happen? who are gonna attribute them to?

Im saying he never existed, apart from in weak peoples mind .I was saying that Religion causes this barbaric behaviour.
Good things are great it just called life . Generally due to someones hard work.

Well you can't it both way's mate.
If in your understanding "Good things are great it just called life" then bad things are just bad things and that's life.

Anyone else notice the Jehovah witness is so proud he wont even admit it!!!

I waiting for your answer God Boy!!!!

Ok if you want to say that GOD doesn't exist because of all the shit things that happen everyday on the planet,
What about all the good things that happen? who are gonna attribute them to?

and, to be fair, the Bible is pretty honest about this worlds corruption and how things turned bad. But I don't think anyone on here has actually properly read it!!

Pretentious little Christian Prick

Have you ever read Genesis 3?

No need for that, there really isn't.

Have I read Genisis. I saw em live three times.

Not quite the same but I actually quite like them as well!!

I waiting for your answer God Boy!!!!

Ok if you want to say that GOD doesn't exist because of all the shit things that happen everyday on the planet,
What about all the good things that happen? who are gonna attribute them to?

Im saying he never existed, apart from in weak peoples mind .I was saying that Religion causes this barbaric behaviour.
Good things are great it just called life . Generally due to someones hard work.

Well you can't it both way's mate.
If in your understanding "Good things are great it just called life" then bad things are just bad things and that's life.

Yes exactly that.
Unless they are caused by religious zealots

You do realise that anything less than a 2:1 constitutes a complete waste of three years @ Aber.Have you really nothing better to do than post this shite.

Im on course for a 1st so its okay mate. Thanks for your concern by the way. Also have a job lined up ready for when I graduate.

To answer your question and your rather silly PM I do have a Uni degree,a B.ed.FYI I've also put three of my children through uni too.My daugher spent three years @ aber gaining a 2:1 so I think I'm in a position to tell that anyone that spends the amount of time on-line as you do is hardly in a position to get a 2:1

Jesus Christ mun-at least I squandered my time in the boozer when I should have been studying. And before you ask I got a first