Right behind gay footballers

Pakistan will have a lower rate of bisexuals converting to homosexuality this would mitigate against marital breakdown along with all it's woes, and this choice will come at no cost to the mans happiness in life as he doesn't have a preference . Genetic homosexuals are different and will seek men out nomatter what, oppression of this group is wrong but they should only be tolerated and not celebrated, As celebration may tempt the fence sitters into a world of god knows what.

Political correctness can be used to oppress also.

"Doesnt have a preference" shows a complete lack of understanding if what bisexuality is. They certainly have a preference, the oreference is the person be that male or female. If you fall in love with a man but have to be with a woman you dont really want to be with even though you are attracted to women generally isnt really a good thing, and would almost certainly be a large factor in marital breakdown.

Pakistan certainly would have a lower rate of bisexuals with same sex partners yes. But again that would be due to the percieved restriction on their actions and not choice. In other words opression. I like women yet if i wasnt allowed to be romantically involved with a black woman yet its a black woman i fell in love with, the fact i was attracted to women in general woukdnt really be of comfort.

It's not being drummed into them!! It's being taught to them!!

It's not like every day they have to name the top 10 gay icons before class! Like when you sit and say the times tables!

Jeeesus

Have you got kids?

No,
Younger brother and sister still in education though

Well until you have kids of your own stop preaching about what they should and shouldnt be taught in school.

What an incredibly stupid thing to say.

How is it? Seems A perfectly sensible principle to me and many others

He is basically saying you can't have opinion on what is taught unless you have children? Why is that? JamesC said he had siblings still in education so why is it any different?

James has yet to earn his stripes on nappy changing duty. Having a brother or sister is not the same as a son or daughter depend on your choices in life. To suggest fatherhood is akin to having a brother is a bit much for me.

James has yet to earn his stripes on nappy changing duty. Having a brother or sister is not the same as a son or daughter depend on your choices in life. To suggest fatherhood is akin to having a brother is a bit much for me.

The fact anyne thinks you have to have a child in order to have a valid opinion on what is taught in schools is madness. Thats like saying you have to be a politician to have an opinion on how the country is run.

The fact he lives in this country gives him all the right he needs to have an opinion on what the next generation to mould the country he lives in is taught ethically.

James has yet to earn his stripes on nappy changing duty. Having a brother or sister is not the same as a son or daughter depend on your choices in life. To suggest fatherhood is akin to having a brother is a bit much for me.

The fact anyne thinks you have to have a child in order to have a valid opinion on what is taught in schools is madness. Thats like saying you have to be a politician to have an opinion on how the country is run.

The fact he lives in this country gives him all the right he needs to have an opinion on what the next generation to mould the country he lives in is taught ethically.

Spot on. And it goes for anyone.

I want my kids growing up knowing its not Ok to hate people for their sexual preferences

And that's something I'll always stand by as that is what was taught to me by my Mother

All for it. Homosexuality is a natural occurring thing in nearly every species, the stigma is ridiculous. But will always be there imo.

What are you talking about, you can't encourage homosexuality. If your straight, you can't turn gay, it isn't a choice.

With all due respect - WHAT A LOAD OF CRAP.

Cant you all see that its what minority groups want you youngsters to believe - not just Homosexuals but all the small minority groups - while we, THE SILENT MAJORITY just sit back and let it happen.

Over my limited number of years on this planet (52) and meeting all different types and cultures both here and abroad, I have come to the conclusion about Homosexuality that thee are 3 distinct groups.

The first group , as you rightly state, cannot help themselves because they were born with either too many female hormones/genes and are attracted to the same sex.

The second group, I would put down to some kind of trauma in their lives as children, either beaten, abused, no moral values shown to them, neglected, maybe a bad experience with a member of group 1, anyway, some kind of mental or physical trauma.

The third group is pier pressure, fashion, the in thing, experimentation, etc. these are the people who go with the flow because its "cool" or they see others doing it and so promote the notion that its OK.

To put it on a basic crude level so some of you who believe the quotes from above can understand - Lets face it, a male was born with a dick to propagate children. A woman was born with a fanny to take a dick and produce children.

Dick and Ass ain't supposed to meet each other !!!!

Blooobirds

James has yet to earn his stripes on nappy changing duty. Having a brother or sister is not the same as a son or daughter depend on your choices in life. To suggest fatherhood is akin to having a brother is a bit much for me.

The fact anyne thinks you have to have a child in order to have a valid opinion on what is taught in schools is madness. Thats like saying you have to be a politician to have an opinion on how the country is run.

The fact he lives in this country gives him all the right he needs to have an opinion on what the next generation to mould the country he lives in is taught ethically.

You have to be a politician to have a say in how the country is run.
You should have to be a parent to have a say in what's on the curriculum. Next you'll be advocating the vote for 12 year olds.

Wow... What a load of shit

All for it. Homosexuality is a natural occurring thing in nearly every species, the stigma is ridiculous. But will always be there imo.

What are you talking about, you can't encourage homosexuality. If your straight, you can't turn gay, it isn't a choice.

With all due respect - WHAT A LOAD OF CRAP.

Cant you all see that its what minority groups want you youngsters to believe - not just Homosexuals but all the small minority groups - while we, THE SILENT MAJORITY just sit back and let it happen.

Over my limited number of years on this planet (52) and meeting all different types and cultures both here and abroad, I have come to the conclusion about Homosexuality that thee are 3 distinct groups.

The first group , as you rightly state, cannot help themselves because they were born with either too many female hormones/genes and are attracted to the same sex.

The second group, I would put down to some kind of trauma in their lives as children, either beaten, abused, no moral values shown to them, neglected, maybe a bad experience with a member of group 1, anyway, some kind of mental or physical trauma.

The third group is pier pressure, fashion, the in thing, experimentation, etc. these are the people who go with the flow because its "cool" or they see others doing it and so promote the notion that its OK.

To put it on a basic crude level so some of you who believe the quotes from above can understand - Lets face it, a male was born with a dick to propagate children. A woman was born with a fanny to take a dick and produce children.

Dick and Ass ain't supposed to meet each other !!!!

Blooobirds

I agree about youngsters being brainwashed, you can tell that by their surprise at facing the bisexual/choice dilema. they've never encountered this philisophical question before due to liberal brain washing.

James has yet to earn his stripes on nappy changing duty. Having a brother or sister is not the same as a son or daughter depend on your choices in life. To suggest fatherhood is akin to having a brother is a bit much for me.

The fact anyne thinks you have to have a child in order to have a valid opinion on what is taught in schools is madness. Thats like saying you have to be a politician to have an opinion on how the country is run.

The fact he lives in this country gives him all the right he needs to have an opinion on what the next generation to mould the country he lives in is taught ethically.

You have to be a politician to have a say in how the country is run.
You should have to be a parent to have a say in what's on the curriculum. Next you'll be advocating the vote for 12 year olds.

No you dont have to be a politician, you get a vote as your right of being a citizen. If you didnt have a say in how the country is run, then that is called a dictatorship. You shouldn't have to be a parent to have a say on what the nation is taught, hence why you dont have to be one. The thought that people genuinely believe this is astonishing.

James has yet to earn his stripes on nappy changing duty. Having a brother or sister is not the same as a son or daughter depend on your choices in life. To suggest fatherhood is akin to having a brother is a bit much for me.

The fact anyne thinks you have to have a child in order to have a valid opinion on what is taught in schools is madness. Thats like saying you have to be a politician to have an opinion on how the country is run.

The fact he lives in this country gives him all the right he needs to have an opinion on what the next generation to mould the country he lives in is taught ethically.

You have to be a politician to have a say in how the country is run.
You should have to be a parent to have a say in what's on the curriculum. Next you'll be advocating the vote for 12 year olds.

No you dont have to be a politician, you get a vote as your right of being a citizen. If you didnt have a say in how the country is run, then that is called a dictatorship. You shouldn't have to be a parent to have a say on what the nation is taught, hence why you dont have to be one. The thought that people genuinely believe this is astonishing.

The fact you would deny children the right to be told how different people in the world act is astonishing

Wow... What a load of shit

Didnt want to be as blunt but, yes, quite.

Im amazed that straight people actually think other straight people have sex with the same gender just for a laugh based on people saying "its okay to be gay" - completely ignoring the fact that to be tempted to have sex with the same gender be it natural or by "trend" then you are gay by definition. A straight man would not contemplate having sex with a man, footballers wearing rainbow laces or not. However it may encourage gay people to stop living a lie or a secret life and become part of the open community. Lets hope eh?

Bluebird82:a first class post!! Very intelligent and well researched.there are gay footballers in this world that would love nothing better than to "come out"but unfortunately most of them will not, due to the stigma still attached.and this in the 21st century!! And some people posting on here go on like being gay is an actual lifestyle choice! How manyi wonder believe they could "catch"homosexuality if they stood too close to one?you are asking people, apart from one or two who are very obviously extremely homophobic and anti-gay.

Being a parent is completely different to having a sibling.

Let children be children not fill their head with matters well beyond their years just to pay lip service to the pc brigade.

I have 2 daughters 8 and 4 and they are brought up in the right way and to behave respectfully and I will decide when the time is right that they get to learn about more mature matters not when some twonk who hasnt even get any children says so.

Well until you have kids of your own stop preaching about what they should and shouldnt be taught in school.

He doesnt need to have children to have an opinion of what the countries people are and arent taught. The fact hes a human gives him that right. Surely it is far better to want people to be taught to be accepting of others rather than discriminate based on uncontrolable factors? If thats the case lets teach kids to hate ethnic minorities while we are at it.

What? Why are you bringing hating ethnics into it? What the hell has that got to do with it?

Where am I saying to discriminate against gays?

To those playing the natural card.

Same with psychopathy and sociopathy then.

Scientific evidence supports that both these types of people are entirely natural beings and it can be argued are more normal humans than most. They often get to the top of the ladder even in a civilised world due to their ability to mimic emotion to fit in and manipulate others. They are tuned for survival and are selfish with their interests at heart which means they often get to the top by knocking others down. However, they are still natural beings.

Do you support psychopaths and sociopaths in the same way? After all, they're only natural creations too. By the same logic you should find it disgusting that psychopaths are imprisoned for just following their natural instincts. Psychopaths are born to kill just as gay people are born to find other people of the same sex attractive.

But wait....you say we have laws in place to outlaw criminal activity but surely these laws are an infringement upon the rights of psychopaths right? Someone call the EU. I mean, how disgusting that we have laws to stop psychopaths being entirely natural and just doing what they are neurologically hard wired to do.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffbercovi ... reat-ceos/
http://bigthink.com/videos/leaders-are- ... sociopaths

I mean, after all, who are we to judge others who are entirely natural?

Being a parent is completely different to having a sibling.

Let children be children not fill their head with matters well beyond their years just to pay lip service to the pc brigade.

I have 2 daughters 8 and 4 and they are brought up in the right way and to behave respectfully and I will decide when the time is right that they get to learn about more mature matters not when some twonk who hasnt even get any children says so.

My opinion is that children should be taught how the world works. That includes gay relationships, maybe not as young as your kids, but they should be well aware of basic relationships before they leave primary school imo

To those playing the natural card.

Same with psychopathy and sociopathy then.

Scientific evidence supports that both these types of people are entirely natural beings and it can be argued are more normal humans than most. They often get to the top of the ladder even in a civilised world due to their ability to mimic emotion to fit in and manipulate others. They are tuned for survival and are selfish with their interests at heart which means they often get to the top by knocking others down. However, they are still natural beings.

Do you support psychopaths and sociopaths in the same way? After all, they're only natural creations too. By the same logic you should find it disgusting that psychopaths are imprisoned for just following their natural instincts. Psychopaths are born to kill just as gay people are born to find other people of the same sex attractive.

But wait....you say we have laws in place to outlaw criminal activity but surely these laws are an infringement upon the rights of psychopaths right? Someone call the EU. I mean, how disgusting that we have laws to stop psychopaths being entirely natural and just doing what they are neurologically hard wired to do.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffbercovi ... reat-ceos/
http://bigthink.com/videos/leaders-are- ... sociopaths

I mean, after all, who are we to judge others who are entirely natural?

Your argument is invalid here JB.

Gay people wont harm other people based on their sexual preference.
Stopping psychopaths from jamming hamsters into peoples eye sockets is in the best interests of the public
Gay people getting together hurts nobody

To those playing the natural card.

Same with psychopathy and sociopathy then.

Scientific evidence supports that both these types of people are entirely natural beings and it can be argued are more normal humans than most. They often get to the top of the ladder even in a civilised world due to their ability to mimic emotion to fit in and manipulate others. They are tuned for survival and are selfish with their interests at heart which means they often get to the top by knocking others down. However, they are still natural beings.

Do you support psychopaths and sociopaths in the same way? After all, they're only natural creations too. By the same logic you should find it disgusting that psychopaths are imprisoned for just following their natural instincts. Psychopaths are born to kill just as gay people are born to find other people of the same sex attractive.

But wait....you say we have laws in place to outlaw criminal activity but surely these laws are an infringement upon the rights of psychopaths right? Someone call the EU. I mean, how disgusting that we have laws to stop psychopaths being entirely natural and just doing what they are neurologically hard wired to do.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffbercovi ... reat-ceos/
http://bigthink.com/videos/leaders-are- ... sociopaths

I mean, after all, who are we to judge others who are entirely natural?

im sorry psychopaths are born to kill where do you get that from

Being a parent is completely different to having a sibling.

Let children be children not fill their head with matters well beyond their years just to pay lip service to the pc brigade.

I have 2 daughters 8 and 4 and they are brought up in the right way and to behave respectfully and I will decide when the time is right that they get to learn about more mature matters not when some twonk who hasnt even get any children says so.

My opinion is that children should be taught how the world works. That includes gay relationships, maybe not as young as your kids, but they should be well aware of basic relationships before they leave primary school imo

And its my opinipn that its a parents responsibility to decide when the time is right to teach their child not the pc brigade, especially those who dont even have children themselves.

Homosexuality IS natural. You don't choose your sexual preference, you're born with it. Suggesting otherwise is just lunacy.

We should all show support for anyone who is too scared to admit they're gay,

I don't care if Whitts is a pimp or loves the old meat and 2 veg of a Friday night, it's the job he does on the pitch that matters, nothing else

Is peadophilia something you are born with then >?

James has yet to earn his stripes on nappy changing duty. Having a brother or sister is not the same as a son or daughter depend on your choices in life. To suggest fatherhood is akin to having a brother is a bit much for me.

The fact anyne thinks you have to have a child in order to have a valid opinion on what is taught in schools is madness. Thats like saying you have to be a politician to have an opinion on how the country is run.

The fact he lives in this country gives him all the right he needs to have an opinion on what the next generation to mould the country he lives in is taught ethically.

Spot on. And it goes for anyone.

I want my kids growing up knowing its not Ok to hate people for their sexual preferences

And that's something I'll always stand by as that is what was taught to me by my Mother

Including a rapist ???

As for Bi-Sexuality what a cop out.

If youre gonna come of the closet man up and come all the way out not just poke your head out of the door

If anyone can argue that having a mans cock up ones arse is natural then good luck to you

Homosexuality IS natural. You don't choose your sexual preference, you're born with it. Suggesting otherwise is just lunacy.

We should all show support for anyone who is too scared to admit they're gay,

I don't care if Whitts is a pimp or loves the old meat and 2 veg of a Friday night, it's the job he does on the pitch that matters, nothing else

Is peadophilia something you are born with then >?

well there many studies on that subject

but why are you comparing pedophilia with homosexuality?

James has yet to earn his stripes on nappy changing duty. Having a brother or sister is not the same as a son or daughter depend on your choices in life. To suggest fatherhood is akin to having a brother is a bit much for me.

The fact anyne thinks you have to have a child in order to have a valid opinion on what is taught in schools is madness. Thats like saying you have to be a politician to have an opinion on how the country is run.

The fact he lives in this country gives him all the right he needs to have an opinion on what the next generation to mould the country he lives in is taught ethically.

Spot on. And it goes for anyone.

I want my kids growing up knowing its not Ok to hate people for their sexual preferences

And that's something I'll always stand by as that is what was taught to me by my Mother

Including a rapist ???

what are you on about?

If anyone can argue that having a mans cock up ones arse is natural then good luck to you

A woman?

If anyone can argue that having a mans cock up ones arse is natural then good luck to you

A woman?

that made me laugh lol

im sorry psychopaths are born to kill where do you get that from

http://www.medicaldaily.com/cold-hearte ... ess-240366
http://www.united-academics.org/magazin ... ct-brains/
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-23431793
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/6198704.stm

There's plenty more out there if you are willing to do research and if you go on Reddit and do a deep search you'll find a thread on the subject where scientists talk about such things etc.

Its quite obvious some are born to kill because thats nature and other animals are the same. That was part of human instinct before civilisation and is still a part of it now. In a world with no laws, morals and structure there would be chaos and psychopaths and sociopaths would thrive in that world. Not all psychopaths are killers and some people you know may be psychopaths and sociopaths and you don't even know it.

http://www.policymic.com/articles/44423 ... sociopaths

Psychopaths and sociopaths fit in to every day to day life like everyone else. They create an act, a facade, to fit in. Its not true emotion but what they've learnt through life to get by and come across 'normal'.

Your argument is invalid here JB.

Gay people wont harm other people based on their sexual preference.
Stopping psychopaths from jamming hamsters into peoples eye sockets is in the best interests of the public
Gay people getting together hurts nobody

Now that makes sense and I agree. However, your initial argument was flawed because it was defended on the premise of them being natural.

Equality is the reason, not because its natural. Whether its natural or not means nothing. Psychopathy is natural but is not a defence for their actions.

Your argument is invalid here JB.

Gay people wont harm other people based on their sexual preference.
Stopping psychopaths from jamming hamsters into peoples eye sockets is in the best interests of the public
Gay people getting together hurts nobody

Now that makes sense and I agree. However, your initial argument was flawed because it was defended on the premise of them being natural.

Equality is the reason, not because its natural. Whether its natural or not means nothing. Psychopathy is natural but is not a defence for their actions.

I think i'm having a little trouble with how you worded that one dude,
but from what I think you're getting at;
Yes, both are naturally induced into the individual, but psychopathy is seen a mental illness
(I'de like to add here, that I have not read into this - that is an assumption of mine)
But its an abnormality in the brain that means that one person can basically go out and harm a member of the public because of this anomaly. This being said, there are treatments available (not always successful from what I can gather) from therapists, but it is a recognised issue that people are trying to solve.

Being gay is none of these things, it is just a natural, non harmful, sexual attraction to the same gender

(Hope that made sense)