Bluebirds unite tells its members

Same as if my son changed his name from James to Jamelia, still my son and wouldn't love him any less, can't see how anyone's love for someone or something is based around a name, a colour a badge or whatever.

Can't imagine, and would dread to think what it would take for me to lose my love for the club, and it's not just a club is it, always been far more than a club.

Sums it up for me as well. As far as I'm concerned it's always been about the team and club. BU is now dead in the water. We all know the name change is coming so come on Tan get on with it. The sooner it happens the sooner the fans who have indicated that would be the final straw can actually decide what they want to do. Hopefully they will still support the club but at least then the club can move on to bigger things.

"You need educating on traditions and histroy" Says the man who said he would be happy with the club being renamed Cardiff Canton FC...

Who said that?

Same as if my son changed his name from James to Jamelia, still my son and wouldn't love him any less, can't see how anyone's love for someone or something is based around a name, a colour a badge or whatever.

Can't imagine, and would dread to think what it would take for me to lose my love for the club, and it's not just a club is it, always been far more than a club.

Sums it up for me as well. As far as I'm concerned it's always been about the team and club. BU is now dead in the water. We all know the name change is coming so come on Tan get on with it. The sooner it happens the sooner the fans who have indicated that would be the final straw can actually decide what they want to do. Hopefully they will still support the club but at least then the club can move on to bigger things.

Move onto bigger things?

So how the hell is changing the name going to make us move onto bigger things?

"You need educating on traditions and histroy" Says the man who said he would be happy with the club being renamed Cardiff Canton FC...

Who said that?

He edited a post I made earlier. I think you asked Gwyn would he accept a name change. I said I wouldn't like a name change but if they wanted a suggestion then how about Cardiff Canton (keeps the CCFC)

Of course Chuckles edited it and did what all internet trolls do and use it out of context.

"You need educating on traditions and histroy" Says the man who said he would be happy with the club being renamed Cardiff Canton FC...

Who said that?

He edited a post I made earlier. I think you asked Gwyn would he accept a name change. I said I wouldn't like a name change but if they wanted a suggestion then how about Cardiff Canton (keeps the CCFC)

Of course Chuckles edited it and did what all internet trolls do and use it out of context.

You do realise Tony you are answering the biggest troll of the lot.

I haven't edited it at all, that's the exact quote you made... Saying your he fine with that name...

Yet you say Ian needs lessons on tradition and history?! Priceless.

Same as if my son changed his name from James to Jamelia, still my son and wouldn't love him any less, can't see how anyone's love for someone or something is based around a name, a colour a badge or whatever.

Can't imagine, and would dread to think what it would take for me to lose my love for the club, and it's not just a club is it, always been far more than a club.

Sums it up for me as well. As far as I'm concerned it's always been about the team and club. BU is now dead in the water. We all know the name change is coming so come on Tan get on with it. The sooner it happens the sooner the fans who have indicated that would be the final straw can actually decide what they want to do. Hopefully they will still support the club but at least then the club can move on to bigger things.

Move onto bigger things?

So how the hell is changing the name going to make us move onto bigger things?

It's not going to hurt if it happens. The more successful we are the bigger the club will get. I am sure Tan knows what he's doing (after all he is a very successful business man) and to be honest the vast majority of fans don't give a damn anymore no matter what BU are saying.

I haven't edited it at all, that's the exact quote you made... Saying your he fine with that name...

Yet you say Ian needs lessons on tradition and history?! Priceless.

And if you read it I say "if we had to change can I suggest" I don't say I am happy with a name change that bit was edited by you, troll.

The rebrand was a bitter pill to swallow,(ll always be blue) but having said that,tan saved our club when no one else would,mr tan has not got where he is without making desions that not everone will agree with,but a name change is a step to far imo

I haven't edited it at all, that's the exact quote you made... Saying your he fine with that name...

Yet you say Ian needs lessons on tradition and history?! Priceless.

And if you read it I say "if we had to change can I suggest" I don't say I am happy with a name change that bit was edited by you, troll.

It's a direct lift from this post you made here, so you're wrong.

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"You need educating on traditions and histroy" Says the man who said he would be happy with the club being renamed Cardiff Canton FC...

Who said that?

He edited a post I made earlier. I think you asked Gwyn would he accept a name change. I said I wouldn't like a name change but if they wanted a suggestion then how about Cardiff Canton (keeps the CCFC)

Of course Chuckles edited it and did what all internet trolls do and use it out of context.

You do realise Tony you are answering the biggest troll of the lot.

That's your opinion Ian. I saw a posting earlier that claimed Jonny was that guy Roathie. It is only a claim no-one knows for sure and I'm happy to reply to him.

I haven't edited it at all, that's the exact quote you made... Saying your he fine with that name...

Yet you say Ian needs lessons on tradition and history?! Priceless.

And if you read it I say "if we had to change can I suggest" I don't say I am happy with a name change that bit was edited by you, troll.

It's a direct lift from this post you made here, so you're wrong.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=123269&p=1267077#p1267095

I can't answer for Gwyn but personally I would be saddened at a name change, but would accept it if it secured our future. If we really did have to change I would suggest Cardiff Canton (keeps the CCFC) and it would be an appeal to the Cantonese Chinese (I think there about half a billion of them).

That said if BU got its act together and learned to walk before it ran, it could get enough opposition to head off a name change. But for that to happen it would need to change first.

Thanks for pointing that out and clearly we can see you have deleted the beginning and end of my post. So as I said I made a suggestion if the name change happens but also said it would sadden me. I also go on to say that if BU had been better ran it would have been in a better position to head off any name change

Everytime I see one of there statements it always seems like they slag fans off on the sly.

What's more laughable is this group think they have some leverage and can push for a meeting with Tan.

That's not true at all.

It is true, if you listen to the interview SB did on the Jason Mohammed radio programme she clearly say VT should sit down with BU and be 'educated' about Cardiff City's history and identity.

That does not mean she is pushing for a meeting at all. Sorry but that is like minded people like you Tony being dramatic.

I would agree with Sian that VT needs to sit down with such an organisation like BU and be given a lesson in our history because no one else seems bothered about sticking up for it. However I don't see her demanding one and I would guess that is because Tan is showing his hard nose business side to this. She most likely feels if anything it would be a waste of time talking to him hence why BU have their marches and persuade people to wear blue at the games.

I still don't understand why she mentioned it if she didn't actually want a meeting Sorry Ian your explanation makes no sense on that and I really resent the personal attack. I'm only quoting what she said and it is a very reasonable to conclude that she was calling/suggesting/asking for a meeting with VT and that's what this part of the thread is about.

I think also you need to get things into perspective. VT isn't going to meeting someone who doesn't have universal support. 250 on that march was pathetic and in no way demonstrates a willingness to educate VT on anything.

May be just may be its not VT who needs educating its you

There were more than 250 people on that march Tony. This is what I mean by like minded being dramatic, your getting your facts wrong. Lets see if BU are still around at Christmas shall we Tony.

Calling/suggesting/asking which one is it?. Has an official request gone in for a meeting like the Trust goes about things? Until one has no one can say BU are demanding. Now that is education at its best.

Thanks for pointing that out and clearly we can see you have deleted the beginning and end of my post. So as I said I made a suggestion if the name change happens but also said it would sadden me. I also go on to say that if BU had been better ran it would have been in a better position to head off any name change

I haven't edited your words though. Which is what you (incorrectly) claimed.



Then you suggest that someone needs lessons in identity and history.... After posting that you'd be quite willing to accept a name as ridiculous as Cardiff Canton to appease the Chinese market?! FFS.

You do realise Tony you are answering the biggest troll of the lot.

Im not a troll. The only person I've wound up on here in the last couple of months is Chuckles and thats because he purposely derails threads at his own will, reports those that disagree with him to have their posts deleted and purposely promotes pro blue propaganda to stop us just getting on with things.

I am more than happy to just stick to the photoshop stuff and have a laugh with Bluebird1977 and the like on here to be honest but with Chuckles running riot with his propaganda wagon then its a bit hard to do.

You ask me to stick to one account - I do that.
You ask me to stop trolling and I do that.

I'll never win. I'm damned if I do, damned if I don't.

I must be some troll.

No use of technology to mask my IP address and you know I could easily do that, no derailing threads for the sake of it, plenty of members including moderators telling me that my posts are brilliant or they have nothing against my posts, others offering to go for a drink when i'm back in Cardiff, others asking for Photoshop work to be done.

My issue is, and i'm sure the likes of Tony and troobloo3339 and others will agree, is Chuckles power is borderline moderator power on here. When he pushes a debate its legit even if he turns the screw. Anyone else does it, he reports it, we get done over and he plays the victim.

He edited a post I made earlier. I think you asked Gwyn would he accept a name change. I said I wouldn't like a name change but if they wanted a suggestion then how about Cardiff Canton (keeps the CCFC)

Of course Chuckles edited it and did what all internet trolls do and use it out of context.

Fair enough. Just save yourself the bother and don't argue back. Its a response what he's after. He's turned the screw many a time with me and troobloo3339.

More drivel from the anti-Bluebirds Unite oddballs.

Bluebirds Unite get criticised for not clamping down on outbursts, then they get criticised when they do.

Pathetic how pro-red some on here are.

Bluebirds unite


It's this simple !
Either you give a Toss about supporting a football team because of allegiance to support your local club that you feel an affiliation with or you don't care who you watch or support as long as their in the Premiership !

I think the argument of keeping quiet so Tan doesn't get scared off is starting to become a bit tired & weak.....

That said guys we still don't want to use this group as a ground to issue threats or slag off individuals please keep that in mind when you are wording your posts.

Thanks a lot
Sian Branson

clues in the title of the thread.bluebirds unite tells its members.so why are people who are not members getting arsey about a letter to its actual members?bu cant be that insignificant.there are 4 pages on them with the majority of people saying they dont rate them but feel the need to comment on them:roll: maybe cos they arnt fading away?

Bluebirds unite


It's this simple !
Either you give a Toss about supporting a football team because of allegiance to support your local club that you feel an affiliation with or you don't care who you watch or support as long as their in the Premiership !

I think the argument of keeping quiet so Tan doesn't get scared off is starting to become a bit tired & weak.....

That said guys we still don't want to use this group as a ground to issue threats or slag off individuals please keep that in mind when you are wording your posts.

Thanks a lot
Sian Branson

clues in the title of the thread.bluebirds unite tells its members.so why are people who are not members getting arsey about a letter to its actual members?bu cant be that insignificant.there are 4 pages on them with the majority of people saying they dont rate them but feel the need to comment on them:roll: maybe cos they arnt fading away?

Bottom line is Tan owns the club. He puts the money in and is so ignorant that he feels he can do whatever he likes. I refused to go last yr and missed probably CCFCs best ever season. I had to watch that from afar and it killed me yet people I knew who never watched City suddenly started going and enjoying what I should av been. BU or any other group will make no difference as new fans will appear as old ones go. Being in the prem will only make Tan richer and with the TV deals it won't matter if fans decide to walk away he'll still make millions. In 10 yrs time all clubs will av had some sort of rebrand whether that be a name change or something more drastic like ours. It's people's personal choice as to what they do but judging on what I've seen with our fans I guess most will sit back and accept it.

Bluebirds unite


It's this simple !
Either you give a Toss about supporting a football team because of allegiance to support your local club that you feel an affiliation with or you don't care who you watch or support as long as their in the Premiership !

I think the argument of keeping quiet so Tan doesn't get scared off is starting to become a bit tired & weak.....

That said guys we still don't want to use this group as a ground to issue threats or slag off individuals please keep that in mind when you are wording your posts.

Thanks a lot
Sian Branson

About time we sorted those who want to retain the culture of this club and those claiming they do, while simuteaneously pleasing the man undermining our club and making us a laughing stock.

Same as if my son changed his name from James to Jamelia, still my son and wouldn't love him any less, can't see how anyone's love for someone or something is based around a name, a colour a badge or whatever.

Can't imagine, and would dread to think what it would take for me to lose my love for the club, and it's not just a club is it, always been far more than a club.

What a strange post. We're talking about a football club. What is its identity in your opinion then?

And i'm talking about something I love, if you love something then it should be unconditional, otherwise it's not love,is it?

What if the something you love becomes something else, divorce? or happily watch themself destruct? Is that really love?

Bottom line is Tan owns the club. He puts the money in and is so ignorant that he feels he can do whatever he likes. I refused to go last yr and missed probably CCFCs best ever season. I had to watch that from afar and it killed me yet people I knew who never watched City suddenly started going and enjoying what I should av been. BU or any other group will make no difference as new fans will appear as old ones go. Being in the prem will only make Tan richer and with the TV deals it won't matter if fans decide to walk away he'll still make millions. In 10 yrs time all clubs will av had some sort of rebrand whether that be a name change or something more drastic like ours. It's people's personal choice as to what they do but judging on what I've seen with our fans I guess most will sit back and accept it.

Tan does not own the club, while this myth is perpetuated then people will believe they are powerless. All Tan owns is an empty stadium, the fans are this football club and the fans could start pushing around Tan if they wanted?

I have to say the rebrand in isolation was bad enough, but the way he is lording-it in public having jokey banter about changing the name is a complete and utter p*sstake. Come on Cardiff, stand up, if he wont afford us respect then maybe we have to earn it like we have so many times in the past right across europe

I really can't understand people saying they'd continue going if the name changed too. Seriously, the only link to the past would be that its still in Cardiff. If that's the case you should save a few bob and watch Grange Albion, after all that's in Cardiff too. Or is the temptation of PL football what's its really all about? Plenty have said Tan saved the club, who was saving it for decades prior? You! Others have said we've only changed colour but we still have our history yet I fail to see how that works if what is currently know as Cardiff City changes to another name. A bit like Wimbledon winning the FA Cup and then becoming MK Dons, does anybody associate MK winning the cup in 1988? Maybe the new red fans stick with it when you go down eventually because you will eventually, remember there are only seven original clubs left from the PL beginning. But that's probably unlikely as few of them were there prior to the 2008 final check the attendances if you like.
To those who'd walk away, respect. To the others, enjoy watching Flibbedydibbidydob Dragons.

Same as if my son changed his name from James to Jamelia, still my son and wouldn't love him any less, can't see how anyone's love for someone or something is based around a name, a colour a badge or whatever.

Can't imagine, and would dread to think what it would take for me to lose my love for the club, and it's not just a club is it, always been far more than a club.

What a strange post. We're talking about a football club. What is its identity in your opinion then?

And i'm talking about something I love, if you love something then it should be unconditional, otherwise it's not love,is it?

What if the something you love becomes something else, divorce? or happily watch themself destruct? Is that really love?

Well I can say quite easilly I have changed wives a good few times, but never clubs.

I've always felt that BU would always implode.I mean some of the shit posted since that sky interview is laughable.Ah well we can always wait till next summer when the kids have nothing to do then the anti-tan brigade will again rear it ugly head only to dissapear up its own arse again once the season starts.

If we really did have to change I would suggest Cardiff Canton (keeps the CCFC) and it would be an appeal to the Cantonese Chinese (I think there about half a billion of them).

wow.

I really hate to agree with Chuckles but jesus christ

WOW

Same as if my son changed his name from James to Jamelia, still my son and wouldn't love him any less, can't see how anyone's love for someone or something is based around a name, a colour a badge or whatever.

Can't imagine, and would dread to think what it would take for me to lose my love for the club, and it's not just a club is it, always been far more than a club.

What a strange post. We're talking about a football club. What is its identity in your opinion then?

And i'm talking about something I love, if you love something then it should be unconditional, otherwise it's not love,is it?

What if the something you love becomes something else, divorce? or happily watch themself destruct? Is that really love?

Well I can say quite easilly I have changed wives a good few times, but never clubs.

So you would divorce something you once loved. It's a silly analogy anyway Gwyn, you could quite easily argue that to truly love something/somebody you would fight to preserve their/it's integrity and that might encompass 'tough love' until it mends it's ways. In this case 'tough love' could mean a match boycott or demonstration.

I don't feel Cardiff is being run with anything like the ethos of a 'club'(even by the standards of modern British football). as you have stated on numerous occassions, it's more of a business model with VT,where club members are being replaced with global customers. He can keep that.

If we really did have to change I would suggest Cardiff Canton (keeps the CCFC) and it would be an appeal to the Cantonese Chinese (I think there about half a billion of them).

wow.

I really hate to agree with Chuckles but jesus christ

WOW

I'd love to think tony blue williams was an expert wind-up merchant who has repeatedly slung me in his keep net over the months. genuinely not sure with the absurdity of this latest one.

For a start these threads are always started by bluebird 37 who a complete and utter shit stirring weasel!

Now that is done I will say that I will be gutted if tan changes the name. Do I see it happening? I think it probably will to be honest. I think the Hull name will open the floodgates to be honest.

I wish people would realise that this is not just a vincent tan problem though but indicative of where football in Britain is headed.

I've said before and I'll say again, the horse has already bolted. Teams in the lower divisions cant afford to pay their players £300 a week while the top teams in the league pay one player £200k plus!

Its not the fans who wear red who have sold their souls but rather scudamore et al who will allow anything to go on to enhance their brand!

I congratulate swansea (through gritted teeth) for what they have done and how they have done it, but does anyone here really believe they can continue to succeed the way they have for the foreseeable future?

More and more clubs are receiving huge backing and it's a matter of time before they get engulfed. If Swansea do get relegated and start to slide down the leagues do you honestly think their fans would resist a big money foreign takover??!

I can guarantee you they wouldn't.
(apart from a small minority)

I'm scared how far it could all go but I honestly think we are powerless to do anything.
If you stop going, you will be replaced by someone else. The fact is, we are no longer a 3k hardcore group of fans but we are now able to fill the ground and could probably fill it over again if needed.

We are consumers now. But make no mistake, so are every other group of fans in the premier league