Tan and hull city chairman's interview on sky sports news

What are you babbling on about?! This has nothing to do with debt.. It's about the lunatic's rebrand and consequent rumours of a name change... Which I happen to disagree with.

& yes, I'll think you'll find that all other foreign owners prior to the rebrand of CCFC hadn't rebranded any club in any way...

I find the apathy of many of here regarding rumours of a name change to be crazy. It appears that most fans are willing to let Tan do whatever he wants, as long as they have premiership football. Thats how I see it anyway. All opinions welcome & all that.

What are you babbling on about?! This has nothing to do with debt.. It's about the lunatic's rebrand and consequent rumours of a name change... Which I happen to disagree with.

& yes, I'll think you'll find that all other foreign owners prior to the rebrand of CCFC hadn't rebranded any club in any way...

I find the apathy of many of here regarding rumours of a name change to be crazy. It appears that most fans are willing to let Tan do whatever he wants, as long as they have premiership football. Thats how I see it anyway. All opinions welcome & all that.

You've hit the nail on the head twice there. "Rumours"are the relevant words here. The same rumours Steve Day started last year about the seats getting taken out and changed to red. The same bullshitter who starts these name change rumour rubbish no doubt

The same bullshitter who starts these name change rumour rubbish no doubt

Erm... Isn't Tan the one who starts these rumours with his constant refusal to dismiss it?

What are you babbling on about?! This has nothing to do with debt.. It's about the lunatic's rebrand and consequent rumours of a name change... Which I happen to disagree with.

& yes, I'll think you'll find that all other foreign owners prior to the rebrand of CCFC hadn't rebranded any club in any way...

I find the apathy of many of here regarding rumours of a name change to be crazy. It appears that most fans are willing to let Tan do whatever he wants, as long as they have premiership football. Thats how I see it anyway. All opinions welcome & all that.

I think you will find it has everything to do with debt

debt is the handle that owners control fans by, its why fans put up with so much

I think you will find football and clubs have been re-branded more times than you care to admit to this is just the next progression

and to be honest your quote 'most fans are willing to let Tan do whatever he wants' what are they supposed to do?

sign a petition? biggest waste of time this isnt the government he can do what he wants
go on marches? he can refuse you entry at the door
dont go to games? tv rights make tickets sales look like small change fans are not required at football anymore its just a nice thing to have to make the occasion special.

The same bullshitter who starts these name change rumour rubbish no doubt

Erm... Isn't Tan the one who starts these rumours with his constant refusal to dismiss it?

Stop talking sense Barry

You can already tell by the reaction on both messageboards that if Tan pushes a bit harder and does rename the club something other than Cardiff City FC, most will tamely lap it up.

With the exception of a small and truly passionate minority, most Cardiff City 'fans' couldn't give a flying f**k about anything to do with idenity as long as they get to see PL football.

For these people it's all about premier league football in Cardiff, not Cardiff City FC/The Bluebirds in the premier league.

The desire to fight and resist bullying super rich people seemed to die in this part of the world at about the same time as heavy industry collapsed.

Very sad but very true.

The same bullshitter who starts these name change rumour rubbish no doubt

Erm... Isn't Tan the one who starts these rumours with his constant refusal to dismiss it?

Stop talking sense Barry

You can already tell by the reaction on both messageboards that if Tan pushes a bit harder and does rename the club something other than Cardiff City FC, most will tamely lap it up.

With the exception of a small and truly passionate minority, most Cardiff City 'fans' couldn't give a flying f**k about anything to do with idenity as long as they get to see PL football.

For these people it's all about premier league football in Cardiff, not Cardiff City FC/The Bluebirds in the premier league.

The desire to fight and resist bullying super rich people seemed to die in this part of the world at about the same time as heavy industry collapsed.

Very sad but very true.

Congratulations. You've just won the single most clichés in a post award

Its coming. Stevie Wonder can see that.

Yesterdays match programme

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Lost nicknames of the Football League

Posted by: | on October 27, 2011




Football has a habit of re-writing history. If it isn’t trotting out statistics with the prefix “since the Premier League began”, then it’s defining a relatively arbitrary cut-off point of “post-war”. Despite these handy devices it has not stopped Manchester United supporters claiming superiority over Liverpool with their 19 titles (first title won in 1908), one ahead of Liverpool’s 18 (first one won in 1921).

When Manchester United won their first league title over 100 years ago the landscape of the English game was very different. United had only been wearing their now famous red kit for six short years (having changed from white in 1902), whilst Liverpool’s regular home strip featured white shorts rather than the now familiar red (the club only changed to all red in the mid 60s). Whilst many of the kits that teams wore in the early part of the 20th Century would be familiar to many football fans today, a lot of the nicknames probably wouldn’t.

One of the most intriguing cases can be seen in Sheffield. Both Wednesday and United were known as “The Blades”, due to the city’s association with steel, United were often called the Cutlers in the early days. It was only when Wednesday made the move across the city to Hillsborough and the Owlerton district that the distinction between the Blades (United) and the Owls (Wednesday) was made.

Throughout the twentieth century clubs have changed, adapted or dumped altogether previous nicknames. The above set of cards was released as part of a set in 1933 by Ogden Cigarettes. It featured fifty different football clubs from the Football League, each card displaying a visual representation of the club’s nickname. This set of Ogden’s Cigarettes Football Nicknames can normally be bought on ebay for about a fiver. It’s likely to be a reproduction set but it’s well worth the outlay as it offers a marvellous insight into 1930s football.



Whilst many know Sunderland as the Black Cats these days it hasn’t always been like that. For much of the 20th Century Sunderland were known as the Rokerites (a reference to their home ground Roker Park) and it was only on moving to the Stadium of Light that they reverted back to their old nickname. Manchester City‘s recent rise to the higher echelons of the Premier League have almost made the requirement for a nickname redundant (in the same way that Alan Green feels everyone should know when he says ‘United’ that he means Manchester United, not Newcastle the same can almost be said for City). Say the word “City” to most football fans and they’ll almost certainly think you mean Manchester (City). However, look in any edition of the Rothmans Football Yearbook and you’ll see that Manchester City’s official nickame is the Citizens. In fact, most clubs with the appellation ”City” have been called the Citizens in print at some point or another.

I thought it important to include New Brighton in this list, a club that sadly folded not many years after these cards were produced. They were a club from Merseyside and played their games at Sandheys Park in Rake Lane (which explains their nickname The Rakers). One of their neighbouring clubs Liverpool are also displayed above. They were once known as the Mariners due to the city’s maritime past, but that moniker has long been forgotten and the club are more likely to be referred to as “The Reds” these days. As for Birmingham City‘s nickname, well, the club were once called “Small Heath” and their nickname was the Heathens – and the less said about the depiction the better, I think…



What’s particularly interesting about this set of cigarette cards is that the narrative of each card often mentions that clubs are “depicted as” something rather than nicknames; clubs were often featured in newspapers as cartoons. Blackburn Rovers, according to the narrative on the back of the card, were depicted as a highwayman – indicating how they would often “hold up” their opponents. The Crystal Palace card shows a Glazier. Before the club took on the moniker of The Eagles they were known as the Glaziers, an obvious nod to “the big glass house”, Crystal Palace. Luton Town are known to many today as the Hatters, but in the 1930s they were widely referred to as the Straw Hatters in honour of one of the town’s major industries. They even featured a Straw Plaiter on their badge during this period. The Bristol City card depicts the club as a baby as the club were known as the “Bristol Babes” at the time, unfortunately as the years wore on they took on Robins as their name and in recent years have even toyed with the boorish Cydermen as a nickname.

Whilst many fans are currently bemoaning the money involved in the modern game, The Premier League, Carlos Tevez, EPPP and a variety of football ills there is one that remains in my mind as the greatest injustice and tragedy of them all. It is that in the 1970s Reading Football Club changed their nickname from the Biscuitmen (or Biscuiteers) to the Royals. This affront to decency took place when Huntley & Palmers closed their biscuit factory in Reading. The football club wasting no time in forgetting their history changed their nickname to the Royals due to some dubious link between Berkshire and the Royal family. This insult to football has led to an entire generation of headline writers to miss out on such beauties as “Reading crumble as opposition take the biscuit”. It is a loss that the football family has had to bare for over 40 years.

The same bullshitter who starts these name change rumour rubbish no doubt

Erm... Isn't Tan the one who starts these rumours with his constant refusal to dismiss it?

Stop talking sense Barry

You can already tell by the reaction on both messageboards that if Tan pushes a bit harder and does rename the club something other than Cardiff City FC, most will tamely lap it up.

With the exception of a small and truly passionate minority, most Cardiff City 'fans' couldn't give a flying f**k about anything to do with idenity as long as they get to see PL football.

For these people it's all about premier league football in Cardiff, not Cardiff City FC/The Bluebirds in the premier league.

The desire to fight and resist bullying super rich people seemed to die in this part of the world at about the same time as heavy industry collapsed.

Very sad but very true.

Congratulations. You've just won the single most clichés in a post award

Paulie with fingers in ears going 'lalalalalalalala' to make the sound of the nasty man telling the truth go away.

Pauline, do you agree that the "bullshitter" starting the rumours is Tan himself, every time he refuses to rule it out?

Yesterdays match programme

Laughable Annis.

If someone had said two years ago this would be the price for PL football, I'm sure most people would never believe it, it would have been treated as an April fools joke.

Yet here we are and the same old apologists dust themselves off to defend it all.

Its coming. Stevie Wonder can see that.

correct chris

Yesterdays match programme

Laughable Annis.

If someone had said two years ago this would be the price for PL football, I'm sure most people would never believe it, it would have been treated as an April fools joke.

Yet here we are and the same old apologists dust themselves off to defend it all.

This sums it up for me . Cardiff dragons would complete this whole rebrand debacle . Only hope that when mad tan sells up new owners come in and embrace the clubs tradition . Love the man city owners approach , they really went with the Manchester roots thing . Bit of a dig at utds support from outside of Manchester .

This thread has drifted a bit, but the franchise / merchandise angle is a bit of a non starter.

When you think of US sports names like the Yankees, Bulls, Cowboys come to mind, not the Astros, Clippers or Bengals.

Success is everything.

The Asian market follow winners Madrid, Barca, United. Cardiff City, Cardiff, Cardiff Dragons or Cardiff Bluebirds won't make any difference, celebrating 17th place at the end of the season like we won the champions league won't inch us closer to being a global brand.

I thought the red thing was to entice a prospective buyer.

Lets be honest here, Tan is going to change our name and most fans dont care, they will put Glory over anything.

I care and i suspect thousands of other fans care as well we have to send out a message that we are Firmly AGAINST any name change we are BLUEBIRDS

Wouldnt read too much into the programme its not even written by the club its written by the publisher and or freelancers.

We print the Hull programme as it goes.

Wouldnt read too much into the programme .

Don't really know why but I had laugh when I read that

yes the programme says new dragons but what does it say our nickname is? BLUEBIRDS

have they?

do they care?

im not putting cubs into crippling debt is good for anyone most clubs are in this position Roman Abramovich holds a £709 million pound loan over Chelsea plc. If he ever gets bored and asks for his money back that will kill the club.

most clubs are in this position

anyway back to the point in hand as per usual your posts are spiraling out of control, I never asked you to apologise for anything, bit pathetic that attempt. Im just asking why you thought that Cardiff City would be different from every other club owned by a mega rich person.

Tan is loaning us the money.

You think he's going to just give it to us out of the goodness of his heart?

Of course he isn't. He loan it to us just like every other owner does and try to maximise profit margins.

You must be living with the fairies if you think Tan is just going to put money in without any comeback.

have they?

do they care?

im not putting cubs into crippling debt is good for anyone most clubs are in this position Roman Abramovich holds a £709 million pound loan over Chelsea plc. If he ever gets bored and asks for his money back that will kill the club.

most clubs are in this position

anyway back to the point in hand as per usual your posts are spiraling out of control, I never asked you to apologise for anything, bit pathetic that attempt. Im just asking why you thought that Cardiff City would be different from every other club owned by a mega rich person.

Tan is loaning us the money.

You think he's going to just give it to us out of the goodness of his heart?

Of course he isn't. He loan it to us just like every other owner does and try to maximise profit margins.

You must be living with the fairies if you think Tan is just going to put money in without any comeback.

where have I said any of that?

dear dear me

have they?

do they care?

im not putting cubs into crippling debt is good for anyone most clubs are in this position Roman Abramovich holds a £709 million pound loan over Chelsea plc. If he ever gets bored and asks for his money back that will kill the club.

most clubs are in this position

anyway back to the point in hand as per usual your posts are spiraling out of control, I never asked you to apologise for anything, bit pathetic that attempt. Im just asking why you thought that Cardiff City would be different from every other club owned by a mega rich person.

Tan is loaning us the money.

You think he's going to just give it to us out of the goodness of his heart?

Of course he isn't. He loan it to us just like every other owner does and try to maximise profit margins.

You must be living with the fairies if you think Tan is just going to put money in without any comeback.

where have I said any of that?

dear dear me

You're trying to justify Tan's actions by using the actions of other owners as an example of the norm which is wrong. Just because someone else does it, doesn't make it right, just as Hull's owner changing their name won't make a name change for us right.

If people want to follow the trend and the crowd then maybe our fan base has more in common with sheep than they'd like to let on. There's a thought.

have they?

do they care?

im not putting cubs into crippling debt is good for anyone most clubs are in this position Roman Abramovich holds a £709 million pound loan over Chelsea plc. If he ever gets bored and asks for his money back that will kill the club.

most clubs are in this position

anyway back to the point in hand as per usual your posts are spiraling out of control, I never asked you to apologise for anything, bit pathetic that attempt. Im just asking why you thought that Cardiff City would be different from every other club owned by a mega rich person.

Tan is loaning us the money.

You think he's going to just give it to us out of the goodness of his heart?

Of course he isn't. He loan it to us just like every other owner does and try to maximise profit margins.

You must be living with the fairies if you think Tan is just going to put money in without any comeback.

where have I said any of that?

dear dear me

You're trying to justify Tan's actions by using the actions of other owners as an example of the norm which is wrong. Just because someone else does it, doesn't make it right, just as Hull's owner changing their name won't make a name change for us right.

If people want to follow the trend and the crowd then maybe our fan base has more in common with sheep than they'd like to let on. There's a thought.

no im not

no idea where youve got any of that from

AWW boo hoo

football clubs have been toys for the mega rich for years what made you think Cardiff City would be any different?

Pardon? I think this pretty much explains what you were getting at. You're not fooling anyone sunshine.

AWW boo hoo

football clubs have been toys for the mega rich for years what made you think Cardiff City would be any different?

Pardon? I think this pretty much explains what you were getting at. You're not fooling anyone sunshine.

why am I trying to fool anyone?

what kind of agenda do you think I have?

Chuckles was banging on about Tan being a prick and how every other chairman in the UK is all lovely

im just stating that isnt the case

Am I missing something here? Four f*cking pages discussing changing the name to dragons, when the interviewer actually asks if Mr Tan would consider changing the name to Cardiff Bluebirds. Check the footage before making fools of yourselves

Am I missing something here? Four f*cking pages discussing changing the name to dragons, when the interviewer actually asks if Mr Tan would consider changing the name to Cardiff Bluebirds. Check the footage before making fools of yourselves

The sky presenter says

"Are you considering getting rid of 'City'"

The Cardiff (City? Dragons?) owner says "haha, maybe, haven't decided yet" (or words to that affect).

If you don't understand why that leads to a four pager, then you can't have been a football fan for long! If Man Utd or Celtics, or Sheff Utd or whoevers owner said the same, then their fans would be discussing it too.

Personally, I think a name change is bang on the cards. The club is slipping away from us.

Can't remember calling Tan a "prick" but there we go...

Am I missing something here? Four f*cking pages discussing changing the name to dragons, when the interviewer actually asks if Mr Tan would consider changing the name to Cardiff Bluebirds. Check the footage before making fools of yourselves

The sky presenter says

"Are you considering getting rid of 'City'"

The Cardiff (City? Dragons?) owner says "haha, maybe, haven't decided yet" (or words to that affect).

If you don't understand why that leads to a four pager, then you can't have been a football fan for long! If Man Utd or Celtics, or Sheff Utd or whoevers owner said the same, then their fans would be discussing it too.

Personally, I think a name change is bang on the cards. The club is slipping away from us.

Listen again fool