UK and Syria

yes if either side have used chemical weapons we as a nation have to condemn that whether we do it through military means or on the political stage

though if we do go to war id like to know 100% that we back the right people however if it turns out to be the rebels I think America will ignore it and condemn Russia for any actions it takes

So eyewitness reports isn't good enough for you then Jonny is it..?

no can you tell the difference between an aircraft and a missile flying at speed?

also you dont know who these people are welcome to warfare America came across this problem in Afghan when one soldier who went on a killing spree suddenly became 20 soldiers, tanks and armored vehicles.

That is absolute rubbish!!!

The bottom line is that you won't believe any evidence because that is your libarial agenda.

I beg to differ

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kandahar_massacre

I'm not onabout the massacre I am onabout the comment I highlighted!!

oh right so you can tell the difference between 1 dot in the sky and another can you?

where did you learn this skill the military would love to know what skills you use

hard enough in normal circumstances let alone when theres smoke, loud noises, explosions oh and lets not forget the actual chemical reactions on human skin.[/quote]

With St.Athan and Brecon Brecons so close to many of us I think we all have seen with the RAF training in the area a rough idea of how far away an aircraft would be from the ground and you know as well as me that it would be far bigger than a dot!!![/quote]

so, our knowledge and those in syria are two different things also when aircraft fly pass here I would like to remind you we are not getting blown up in the process your arguing for the sake of it

when the proof comes of what was used, how it was used and more importantly who used it then decisions should be made instead of knee jerk reactions that could end up embarrassing us or making wrong decisions, or is that to liberal for you.

also Syria has a conscripted military they dont elect to serve so just putting it out there bombing your own civilians doesnt do moral a lot of good.

Mps vote no. Finally some sense. We should follow the UN's instruction.

They've voted no to partaking in military intervention, that doesn't mean we won't support it.

thanks dad

No problem son.

There are women and children being gassed to death and many of you prefer to turn a blind eye!!!

Ask yourself this, with weapon inspectors on site why would Assad gas his own people? It's quite obvious under American and possibly British influence that the rebels launched these gas attacks. A false flag which tries to coerce the public into supporting military intervention. Only this time the public at large do not want to see a war only the power hungry leaders of the western world.

If Syria is attacked then a hornets nest of violence will be unleashed. Syria could attack Israel who will reply in kind which brings in Iran and then Russia/China.

As for the use of chemical weapons, I guess it was ok for the Americans to use agent orange in Vietnam and do this http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 14433.html in Fallujah.

It's Syrias problem not ours - we are not the world police - look where that stance has got us in recent times. We never learn.

The British government with the wishes of the British people don't want military action.

A popular decision atm.

However if there becomes a threat to our security then watch the government via the media promote atrocities coming out of Syria to win us over so they can go in and protect the governments interests.

The Western (primarily American) ideal that we can detonate every problem away still exists even after myriad failures. The reality is that Syria's problems are both deep-rooted and complex. One side is backed by Al-Qaeda, the other guilty of war crimes. Thus neither side is worthy of Western support. Not that futile and intermittent airstrikes can be labelled as such. UN must push for talks now in whatever way they can.

Fascinating to see if the U.S continues to play Doctor Democracy without their used and abused Nurse; the U.K.

There are women and children being gassed to death and many of you prefer to turn a blind eye!!!

Ask yourself this, with weapon inspectors on site why would Assad gas his own people? It's quite obvious under American and possibly British influence that the rebels launched these gas attacks. A false flag which tries to coerce the public into supporting military intervention. Only this time the public at large do not want to see a war only the power hungry leaders of the western world.

If Syria is attacked then a hornets nest of violence will be unleashed. Syria could attack Israel who will reply in kind which brings in Iran and then Russia/China.

As for the use of chemical weapons, I guess it was ok for the Americans to use agent orange in Vietnam and do this http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 14433.html in Fallujah.

It's Syrias problem not ours - we are not the world police - look where that stance has got us in recent times. We never learn.

Did you not see my comment about Vietnam..? I seen the results of that with my own eyes!!!!!

If you really think America and UK influenced the gassing in Syria than thats absolute rubbish!!! You really think both Russia and China wouldn't say anything like that had happened bearing in mind the major powers are watching each other all the time!!!!

There are women and children being gassed to death and many of you prefer to turn a blind eye!!!

Ask yourself this, with weapon inspectors on site why would Assad gas his own people? It's quite obvious under American and possibly British influence that the rebels launched these gas attacks. A false flag which tries to coerce the public into supporting military intervention. Only this time the public at large do not want to see a war only the power hungry leaders of the western world.

If Syria is attacked then a hornets nest of violence will be unleashed. Syria could attack Israel who will reply in kind which brings in Iran and then Russia/China.

As for the use of chemical weapons, I guess it was ok for the Americans to use agent orange in Vietnam and do this http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 14433.html in Fallujah.

It's Syrias problem not ours - we are not the world police - look where that stance has got us in recent times. We never learn.

Did you not see my comment about Vietnam..? I seen the results of that with my own eyes!!!!!

If you really think America and UK influenced the gassing in Syria than thats absolute rubbish!!! You really think both Russia and China wouldn't say anything like that had happened bearing in mind the major powers are watching each other all the time!!!!

The chemicals probably came from the west, just like the arms we are providing to the rebels. False flags have happened several times leading up to major conflicts. The gulf of Tonkin, Hiters rise to power, 'WMD's' in Iraq. Nothing new.

The real reason the US are so adamant to get into Syria is for the 4 lucrative oil fields in the country and they don't care how or how many people die to get their dirty hands on them. They did it in Iraq and now they want Syria. Next the plan is for Iran.

The Western (primarily American) ideal that we can detonate every problem away still exists even after myriad failures. The reality is that Syria's problems are both deep-rooted and complex. One side is backed by Al-Qaeda, the other guilty of war crimes. Thus neither side is worthy of Western support. Not that futile and intermittent airstrikes can be labelled as such. UN must push for talks now in whatever way they can.

Fascinating to see if the U.S continues to play Doctor Democracy without their used and abused Nurse; the U.K.

Spot on

There are women and children being gassed to death and many of you prefer to turn a blind eye!!!

Ask yourself this, with weapon inspectors on site why would Assad gas his own people? It's quite obvious under American and possibly British influence that the rebels launched these gas attacks. A false flag which tries to coerce the public into supporting military intervention. Only this time the public at large do not want to see a war only the power hungry leaders of the western world.

If Syria is attacked then a hornets nest of violence will be unleashed. Syria could attack Israel who will reply in kind which brings in Iran and then Russia/China.

As for the use of chemical weapons, I guess it was ok for the Americans to use agent orange in Vietnam and do this http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 14433.html in Fallujah.

It's Syrias problem not ours - we are not the world police - look where that stance has got us in recent times. We never learn.

Did you not see my comment about Vietnam..? I seen the results of that with my own eyes!!!!!

If you really think America and UK influenced the gassing in Syria than thats absolute rubbish!!! You really think both Russia and China wouldn't say anything like that had happened bearing in mind the major powers are watching each other all the time!!!!

The chemicals probably came from the west, just like the arms we are providing to the rebels. False flags have happened several times leading up to major conflicts. The gulf of Tonkin, Hiters rise to power, 'WMD's' in Iraq. Nothing new.

The real reason the US are so adamant to get into Syria is for the 4 lucrative oil fields in the country and they don't care how or how many people die to get their dirty hands on them. They did it in Iraq and now they want Syria. Next the plan is for Iran.

So the chemicals couldn't have come from Iran then..?

There are women and children being gassed to death and many of you prefer to turn a blind eye!!!

Ask yourself this, with weapon inspectors on site why would Assad gas his own people? It's quite obvious under American and possibly British influence that the rebels launched these gas attacks. A false flag which tries to coerce the public into supporting military intervention. Only this time the public at large do not want to see a war only the power hungry leaders of the western world.

If Syria is attacked then a hornets nest of violence will be unleashed. Syria could attack Israel who will reply in kind which brings in Iran and then Russia/China.

As for the use of chemical weapons, I guess it was ok for the Americans to use agent orange in Vietnam and do this http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 14433.html in Fallujah.

It's Syrias problem not ours - we are not the world police - look where that stance has got us in recent times. We never learn.

Did you not see my comment about Vietnam..? I seen the results of that with my own eyes!!!!!

If you really think America and UK influenced the gassing in Syria than thats absolute rubbish!!! You really think both Russia and China wouldn't say anything like that had happened bearing in mind the major powers are watching each other all the time!!!!

The chemicals probably came from the west, just like the arms we are providing to the rebels. False flags have happened several times leading up to major conflicts. The gulf of Tonkin, Hiters rise to power, 'WMD's' in Iraq. Nothing new.

The real reason the US are so adamant to get into Syria is for the 4 lucrative oil fields in the country and they don't care how or how many people die to get their dirty hands on them. They did it in Iraq and now they want Syria. Next the plan is for Iran.

So the chemicals couldn't have come from Iran then..?

where do you think Iran got their weapons from

Before sanctions the Iranians bought a lot of aircraft from the US - they still have them. Missiles bought from the Ukraine, rocket parts bought from the UK.

Right Ive got you so you are going as far back as the production of weapons then!!! So reallly no 'INFLUENCE' at all then apart from the guy who made the bomb on the production line!!!! FFS grow up!!! You lot really remind me of Socialist Worker sellers at times!!!

I'll leave you with this and I bid you goodnight

Right Ive got you so you are going as far back as the production of weapons then!!! So reallly no 'INFLUENCE' at all then apart from the guy who made the bomb on the production line!!!! FFS grow up!!! You lot really remind me of Socialist Worker sellers at times!!!

Those countries I mentioned SOLD those weapons.

Pro-war Americans should try to justify the US's use of depleted uranium in Fallujah, Iraq, causing congenital malformations at 14x the rate of those in Hiroshima and Nagasaki after the two atomic bombs at the end of World War II. BTW, this substance is banned by the United Nations and is considered a Crime Against Peace by the Nuremberg Principles. But the USA is just "defending its freedom," you know, not torturing innocent families, or anything like that. Shameful.

Right Ive got you so you are going as far back as the production of weapons then!!! So reallly no 'INFLUENCE' at all then apart from the guy who made the bomb on the production line!!!! FFS grow up!!! You lot really remind me of Socialist Worker sellers at times!!!

Those countries I mentioned SOLD those weapons.

Pro-war Americans should try to justify the US's use of depleted uranium in Fallujah, Iraq, causing congenital malformations at 14x the rate of those in Hiroshima and Nagasaki after the two atomic bombs at the end of World War II. BTW, this substance is banned by the United Nations and is considered a Crime Against Peace by the Nuremberg Principles. But the USA is just "defending its freedom," you know, not torturing innocent families, or anything like that. Shameful.

http://www.wnd.com/2013/08/video-shows-rebels-launching-gas-attack-in-syria/

Right Ive got you so you are going as far back as the production of weapons then!!! So reallly no 'INFLUENCE' at all then apart from the guy who made the bomb on the production line!!!! FFS grow up!!! You lot really remind me of Socialist Worker sellers at times!!!

Those countries I mentioned SOLD those weapons.

Pro-war Americans should try to justify the US's use of depleted uranium in Fallujah, Iraq, causing congenital malformations at 14x the rate of those in Hiroshima and Nagasaki after the two atomic bombs at the end of World War II. BTW, this substance is banned by the United Nations and is considered a Crime Against Peace by the Nuremberg Principles. But the USA is just "defending its freedom," you know, not torturing innocent families, or anything like that. Shameful.

So going on that analogy then if someone sells a car to someone else and the buyer killed someone with that car then the seller has 'influenced' them has it..?

Right Ive got you so you are going as far back as the production of weapons then!!! So reallly no 'INFLUENCE' at all then apart from the guy who made the bomb on the production line!!!! FFS grow up!!! You lot really remind me of Socialist Worker sellers at times!!!

Those countries I mentioned SOLD those weapons.

Pro-war Americans should try to justify the US's use of depleted uranium in Fallujah, Iraq, causing congenital malformations at 14x the rate of those in Hiroshima and Nagasaki after the two atomic bombs at the end of World War II. BTW, this substance is banned by the United Nations and is considered a Crime Against Peace by the Nuremberg Principles. But the USA is just "defending its freedom," you know, not torturing innocent families, or anything like that. Shameful.

So going on that analogy then if someone sells a car to someone else and the buyer killed someone with that car then the seller has 'influenced' them has it..?

you are an absolute idiot governments sell weapons your car analogy is pathetic

Right Ive got you so you are going as far back as the production of weapons then!!! So reallly no 'INFLUENCE' at all then apart from the guy who made the bomb on the production line!!!! FFS grow up!!! You lot really remind me of Socialist Worker sellers at times!!!

Those countries I mentioned SOLD those weapons.

Pro-war Americans should try to justify the US's use of depleted uranium in Fallujah, Iraq, causing congenital malformations at 14x the rate of those in Hiroshima and Nagasaki after the two atomic bombs at the end of World War II. BTW, this substance is banned by the United Nations and is considered a Crime Against Peace by the Nuremberg Principles. But the USA is just "defending its freedom," you know, not torturing innocent families, or anything like that. Shameful.

So going on that analogy then if someone sells a car to someone else and the buyer killed someone with that car then the seller has 'influenced' them has it..?

you are an absolute idiot governments sell weapons your car analogy is pathetic

No you are pathetic you even suggest that the UK 'influenced' the gas attacks because we may or may not have sold them the weapons in the first place!!! The only people who influence such atacks are the people with the fingers on the trigger!!

Ever heard of a proxy war? The USA supplied the Taliban with weapons to fight the Russians in Afghanistan. Trained them as well. The USA trained and supplied weapons to Saddam Hussein in the Iran/Iraq war. The same thing is happening here - can't you see it? Supply the rebels with whatever they need to enforce regime change. Replace the Assad regime with a volatile and hostile Islamic regime just like in Iraq and Libya - sounds like a great idea!

Right Ive got you so you are going as far back as the production of weapons then!!! So reallly no 'INFLUENCE' at all then apart from the guy who made the bomb on the production line!!!! FFS grow up!!! You lot really remind me of Socialist Worker sellers at times!!!

Those countries I mentioned SOLD those weapons.

Pro-war Americans should try to justify the US's use of depleted uranium in Fallujah, Iraq, causing congenital malformations at 14x the rate of those in Hiroshima and Nagasaki after the two atomic bombs at the end of World War II. BTW, this substance is banned by the United Nations and is considered a Crime Against Peace by the Nuremberg Principles. But the USA is just "defending its freedom," you know, not torturing innocent families, or anything like that. Shameful.

So going on that analogy then if someone sells a car to someone else and the buyer killed someone with that car then the seller has 'influenced' them has it..?

you are an absolute idiot governments sell weapons your car analogy is pathetic

No you are pathetic you even suggest that the UK 'influenced' the gas attacks because we may or may not have sold them the weapons in the first place!!! The only people who influence such atacks are the people with the fingers on the trigger!!

where have I said the UK influenced the attack, point is assuming it is the government and not hand made people will ask where did Syria get these weapons from answer the west UK and America, thats fact not even the government can deny it

fact is you want to grandstand on what this country should do and anyone who dares to speak against you is labelled an idiot and a liberal. pathetic really

you want this country to take action despite no evidence of who did it

you want to back a rebel organisation no questions asked who have a pretty shady past

you want to ignore the advice of the international community and the UN and strike regardless of any proof or evidence except for a few supposed eye witnesses.

but hey at least what you say is highly intelligent and not a liberal point of view.

im done dont even know why I waste my time with you

'Bloo' stated 'influenced' and you come in during our debate

'Bloo' stated 'influenced' and you come in during our debate

whats that got to do with me?

what am I responsible for what Bloo says now am I?

'Bloo' stated 'influenced' and you come in during our debate

whats that got to do with me?

what am I responsible for what Bloo says now am I?

You asked me a question and I answered it!!!!

Ever heard of a proxy war? The USA supplied the Taliban with weapons to fight the Russians in Afghanistan. Trained them as well. The USA trained and supplied weapons to Saddam Hussein in the Iran/Iraq war. The same thing is happening here - can't you see it? Supply the rebels with whatever they need to enforce regime change. Replace the Assad regime with a volatile and hostile Islamic regime just like in Iraq and Libya - sounds like a great idea!

'Bloo' stated 'influenced' and you come in during our debate

whats that got to do with me?

what am I responsible for what Bloo says now am I?

You asked me a question and I answered it!!!!

no I didnt I stated your car factory analogy was a load of crap

no question there just a statement

The only pathetic thing is that grown arsed men can't debate on an intellectual level using sources and mature arguments and instead resort to abuse to try and win points.

There are women and children being gassed to death and many of you prefer to turn a blind eye!!!

If we spent all our time trying to be World Police we'd have troops in damn near half the countries on the planet.

The only pathetic thing is that grown arsed men can't debate on an intellectual level using sources and mature arguments and instead resort to abuse to try and win points.

I do try but its difficult when everything you say is dismissed as being liberal which makes no sense in itself

Lefties from CCMB, fools and rather sad folks.

Many years ago an old mate wrote a song..


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7aItpjF5vXc

Good decision to not get involved, we should not blindly follow USA into an already terrible situation and make it worse. Not until there is 100% evidence of use of chemical weapons and which side used them. If we intervene where is the point in which we will no longer intervene. The conflict will continue even if the UN decide to take military action.

We can't afford another war which we have no business in.