VINCENT TAN LIES TO US, VINCENT OUT

Does this mean when someone tells you they have bought their house for two hundred thousand pounds, what they should say is I bought it for twenty thousand and I will confirm with you the amount it finally cost me plus the interest rate that as been acrued over the period,

Sounds quite straight forward and I can see this catching on.

How much was that brand new car mate, nothing, I had it for nothing, don't make my first payment for three months so it's a free car. Can't see this confusing anyone.

Man Utd stillowe Everton alarge percentage of the fee agreed for Wayne Rooney so does that mean that Man Utd have already paid them because a fee has been agreed..? NO!!!

Stop trying to twist things Gwyn you were factually incorrect so admit it FFS!!!

I've just been told that liverpool have paid off the final instalment of the toshack transfer!!!!

That's it then, tipping point, final straw, if we have sold Toshack, I'm out of here.

Tan out

More rubbish by Gwyn, Vincent Tan hasn't "given" us over 25 million, he has currently LOANED us over 25 million with a 7% interest. Only when he converts the debt to equity will I thank him for GIVING us all this money to sign players.

More rubbish by Gwyn, Vincent Tan hasn't "given" us over 25 million, he has currently LOANED us over 25 million with a 7% interest. Only when he converts the debt to equity will I thank him for GIVING us all this money to sign players.

More Blue blinkered rubbish from Tonteg, do you realise we get £60m just in TV money? More than enough for the transfers so far unless your maths is worse than my 3 year old nephew.

Still waiting for an answer Mr Brown.

More rubbish by Gwyn, Vincent Tan hasn't "given" us over 25 million, he has currently LOANED us over 25 million with a 7% interest. Only when he converts the debt to equity will I thank him for GIVING us all this money to sign players.

More Blue blinkered rubbish from Tonteg, do you realise we get £60m just in TV money? More than enough for the transfers so far unless your maths is worse than my 3 year old nephew.

You do realise the 60m will go towards players wages and other costs? I think you're the one who needs to learn maths!

More rubbish by Gwyn, Vincent Tan hasn't "given" us over 25 million, he has currently LOANED us over 25 million with a 7% interest. Only when he converts the debt to equity will I thank him for GIVING us all this money to sign players.

More Blue blinkered rubbish from Tonteg, do you realise we get £60m just in TV money? More than enough for the transfers so far unless your maths is worse than my 3 year old nephew.

You do realise the 60m will go towards players wages and other costs? I think you're the one who needs to learn maths!

For the record I've got an A Level in maths but I grant you it was only a C grade.

However I did manage an A grade in economics A Level.

Not bigging myself up but be careful in your assumptions about other people's academic qualifications.

But back to the point, are we paying 7% on our revenue as well?

More rubbish by Gwyn, Vincent Tan hasn't "given" us over 25 million, he has currently LOANED us over 25 million with a 7% interest. Only when he converts the debt to equity will I thank him for GIVING us all this money to sign players.

More Blue blinkered rubbish from Tonteg, do you realise we get £60m just in TV money? More than enough for the transfers so far unless your maths is worse than my 3 year old nephew.

You do realise the 60m will go towards players wages and other costs? I think you're the one who needs to learn maths!

Don't forget the prize money as well which I believe is about £30m for finishing bottom next season.

More rubbish by Gwyn, Vincent Tan hasn't "given" us over 25 million, he has currently LOANED us over 25 million with a 7% interest. Only when he converts the debt to equity will I thank him for GIVING us all this money to sign players.

More Blue blinkered rubbish from Tonteg, do you realise we get £60m just in TV money? More than enough for the transfers so far unless your maths is worse than my 3 year old nephew.

You do realise the 60m will go towards players wages and other costs? I think you're the one who needs to learn maths!

For the record I've got an A Level in maths but I grant you it was only a C grade.

However I did manage an A grade in economics A Level.

Not bigging myself up but be careful in your assumptions about other people's academic qualifications.

But back to the point, are we paying 7% on our revenue as well?

So it's fine for you to make assumptions about my maths but it's not fine when I give it back.

Obviously we are only paying 7% on what Tan is loaning us, but hopefully he will keep his promise of converting the debt to equity.

More rubbish by Gwyn, Vincent Tan hasn't "given" us over 25 million, he has currently LOANED us over 25 million with a 7% interest. Only when he converts the debt to equity will I thank him for GIVING us all this money to sign players.

More Blue blinkered rubbish from Tonteg, do you realise we get £60m just in TV money? More than enough for the transfers so far unless your maths is worse than my 3 year old nephew.

You do realise the 60m will go towards players wages and other costs? I think you're the one who needs to learn maths!

For the record I've got an A Level in maths but I grant you it was only a C grade.

However I did manage an A grade in economics A Level.

Not bigging myself up but be careful in your assumptions about other people's academic qualifications.

But back to the point, are we paying 7% on our revenue as well?

So it's fine for you to make assumptions about my maths but it's not fine when I give it back.

Obviously we are only paying 7% on what Tan is loaning us, but hopefully he will keep his promise of converting the debt to equity.

Tonteg, I am not trying to point score.

But I'm sure even you understand that the revenue which is now coming into the club is massive compared to last year.

Mr Tan has said as soon as the Langston debt is resolved he will turn his loans to equity. They've agreed on the figure so it's only a matter of time.

I take Tan at his word because he has never renagede on one promise since the rebrand. In fact he has delivered so much more.

I know you are anti Tan but I feel you have become so entrenched in your position that you can't see how good he is for our club - yours and mine, we are one.

More rubbish by Gwyn, Vincent Tan hasn't "given" us over 25 million, he has currently LOANED us over 25 million with a 7% interest. Only when he converts the debt to equity will I thank him for GIVING us all this money to sign players.

More Blue blinkered rubbish from Tonteg, do you realise we get £60m just in TV money? More than enough for the transfers so far unless your maths is worse than my 3 year old nephew.

You do realise the 60m will go towards players wages and other costs? I think you're the one who needs to learn maths!

For the record I've got an A Level in maths but I grant you it was only a C grade.

However I did manage an A grade in economics A Level.

Not bigging myself up but be careful in your assumptions about other people's academic qualifications.

But back to the point, are we paying 7% on our revenue as well?

So it's fine for you to make assumptions about my maths but it's not fine when I give it back.

Obviously we are only paying 7% on what Tan is loaning us, but hopefully he will keep his promise of converting the debt to equity.

Tonteg, I am not trying to point score.

But I'm sure even you understand that the revenue which is now coming into the club is massive compared to last year.

Mr Tan has said as soon as the Langston debt is resolved he will turn his loans to equity. They've agreed on the figure so it's only a matter of time.

I take Tan at his word because he has never renagede on one promise since the rebrand. In fact he has delivered so much more.

I know you are anti Tan but I feel you have become so entrenched in your position that you can't see how good he is for our club - yours and mine, we are one.

I am not denying Tan has done wonders for our club aside from the rebrand. I think Tan will convert the debt to equity but until he actually does, I will always be cautious. I still think spending this amount of money is a risk, but with the quality of players we are bringing in, it's a calculated risk which I'm hoping will be successful. I believe these signings will keep us in the Premiership and financially, that will only be good for our club and I will thank Tan for making that possible.

However, if Tan doesn't keep his word and we get relegated, it will be a disaster. I'm just thankful pretty much every player Malky has brought in has the potential to be sold on for a big profit, but hopefully Tan will keep his word and we won't have to go down the route of selling players to raise funds/stay afloat in the future.

Does this mean when someone tells you they have bought their house for two hundred thousand pounds, what they should say is I bought it for twenty thousand and I will confirm with you the amount it finally cost me plus the interest rate that as been acrued over the period,

Sounds quite straight forward and I can see this catching on.

How much was that brand new car mate, nothing, I had it for nothing, don't make my first payment for three months so it's a free car. Can't see this confusing anyone.

Man Utd stillowe Everton alarge percentage of the fee agreed for Wayne Rooney so does that mean that Man Utd have already paid them because a fee has been agreed..? NO!!!

Stop trying to twist things Gwyn you were factually incorrect so admit it FFS!!!

I've just been told that liverpool have paid off the final instalment of the toshack transfer!!!!

That's it then, tipping point, final straw, if we have sold Toshack, I'm out of here.

Out of interest Gwyn, do you have a tipping point?

Does this mean when someone tells you they have bought their house for two hundred thousand pounds, what they should say is I bought it for twenty thousand and I will confirm with you the amount it finally cost me plus the interest rate that as been acrued over the period,

Sounds quite straight forward and I can see this catching on.

How much was that brand new car mate, nothing, I had it for nothing, don't make my first payment for three months so it's a free car. Can't see this confusing anyone.

Man Utd stillowe Everton alarge percentage of the fee agreed for Wayne Rooney so does that mean that Man Utd have already paid them because a fee has been agreed..? NO!!!

Stop trying to twist things Gwyn you were factually incorrect so admit it FFS!!!

I've just been told that liverpool have paid off the final instalment of the toshack transfer!!!!

That's it then, tipping point, final straw, if we have sold Toshack, I'm out of here.

Out of interest Gwyn, do you have a tipping point?

If you reckon you love the club, how can you even think about a tipping point, if you ever have children and you love them unconditionally, would you have a tipping point to stop loving them.

Does this mean when someone tells you they have bought their house for two hundred thousand pounds, what they should say is I bought it for twenty thousand and I will confirm with you the amount it finally cost me plus the interest rate that as been acrued over the period,

Sounds quite straight forward and I can see this catching on.

How much was that brand new car mate, nothing, I had it for nothing, don't make my first payment for three months so it's a free car. Can't see this confusing anyone.

Man Utd stillowe Everton alarge percentage of the fee agreed for Wayne Rooney so does that mean that Man Utd have already paid them because a fee has been agreed..? NO!!!

Stop trying to twist things Gwyn you were factually incorrect so admit it FFS!!!

I've just been told that liverpool have paid off the final instalment of the toshack transfer!!!!

That's it then, tipping point, final straw, if we have sold Toshack, I'm out of here.

Out of interest Gwyn, do you have a tipping point?

If you reckon you love the club, how can you even think about a tipping point, if you ever have children and you love them unconditionally, would you have a tipping point to stop loving them.

I have a daughter, and I wouldn't compare her to the football club, but I take your point on it being unconditional.

I mean it seriously though, I mean if the club moved to Beijing (not saying thats the plan!) then presumably you'd stop going.

Just wondered whether a name change is something you'd oppose or not.

Totally hypothetical question, it's just when people acknowledge that they have a tipping point, it helps them understand how others feel about the change to red.

I've just been told that liverpool have paid off the final instalment of the toshack transfer!!!![/quote]

That's it then, tipping point, final straw, if we have sold Toshack, I'm out of here. [/quote]

Out of interest Gwyn, do you have a tipping point?[/quote]

If you reckon you love the club, how can you even think about a tipping point, if you ever have children and you love them unconditionally, would you have a tipping point to stop loving them. [/quote]

I have a daughter, and I wouldn't compare her to the football club, but I take your point on it being unconditional.

I mean it seriously though, I mean if the club moved to Beijing (not saying thats the plan!) then presumably you'd stop going.

Just wondered whether a name change is something you'd oppose or not.

Totally hypothetical question, it's just when people acknowledge that they have a tipping point, it helps them understand how others feel about the change to red.[/quote]

Hypothetical or not, why even think about what it would take to make you fall out of love with someone or something, perhaps we look at life differently, I have had loads of major set backs and disappointments but still consider myself an optimist.

It is out of my scope to think of what to would take to spoil a good thing, just find it madness but we are all different, as far as I see it if something that bad happens and it tips you over the edge, then so be it, why plan or list it, things in life aren't that black and white, well they aren't in mine anyway.I simply hope I never get near finding out what my tipping point is.

That's it then, tipping point, final straw, if we have sold Toshack, I'm out of here. [/quote]

Out of interest Gwyn, do you have a tipping point?[/quote]

If you reckon you love the club, how can you even think about a tipping point, if you ever have children and you love them unconditionally, would you have a tipping point to stop loving them. [/quote]

I have a daughter, and I wouldn't compare her to the football club, but I take your point on it being unconditional.

I mean it seriously though, I mean if the club moved to Beijing (not saying thats the plan!) then presumably you'd stop going.

Just wondered whether a name change is something you'd oppose or not.

Totally hypothetical question, it's just when people acknowledge that they have a tipping point, it helps them understand how others feel about the change to red.[/quote]

I'm an optimist too, but the reason we are discussing it, is because I am close to my tipping point, essentially because I am increasingly watching the team and thinking that this isn't Cardiff City..or it is, but in name only. The club, the ethos, the feeling is different to what I spent my life hitherto watching.

Yes, I hope you don't reach your tipping point..it's a shit feeling!

That's it then, tipping point, final straw, if we have sold Toshack, I'm out of here.

Out of interest Gwyn, do you have a tipping point?[/quote]

If you reckon you love the club, how can you even think about a tipping point, if you ever have children and you love them unconditionally, would you have a tipping point to stop loving them. [/quote]

I have a daughter, and I wouldn't compare her to the football club, but I take your point on it being unconditional.

I mean it seriously though, I mean if the club moved to Beijing (not saying thats the plan!) then presumably you'd stop going.

Just wondered whether a name change is something you'd oppose or not.

Totally hypothetical question, it's just when people acknowledge that they have a tipping point, it helps them understand how others feel about the change to red.[/quote]

I'm an optimist too, but the reason we are discussing it, is because I am close to my tipping point, essentially because I am increasingly watching the team and thinking that this isn't Cardiff City..or it is, but in name only. The club, the ethos, the feeling is different to what I spent my life hitherto watching.

Yes, I hope you don't reach your tipping point..it's a shit feeling![/quote]


Over my 47 years of watching I have seen them play in numerous colours with many badges, and it hasn't spoiled or added to my pleasure in anyway, but as i say we are all different it's just my links and bond to the club go far deeper than a colour or a badge.

I think it's more to do with the always being seen as the underdog and "different" tag we have had that I identity with more than any material thing, sharing the pain and frustration lot's of us have binds us together in my eyes more than names, colours or designs.

Hard to explain and something I don't want or need to analise to deeply in case I work out what makes it special and then lose it.

Over my 47 years of watching I have seen them play in numerous colours with many badges, and it hasn't spoiled or added to my pleasure in anyway, but as i say we are all different it's just my links and bond to the club go far deeper than a colour or a badge.

I think it's more to do with the always being seen as the underdog and "different" tag we have had that I identity with more than any material thing, sharing the pain and frustration lot's of us have binds us together in my eyes more than names, colours or designs.

Hard to explain and something I don't want or need to analise to deeply in case I work out what makes it special and then lose it.

We've all seen them in a variety of colours, but that doesn't take away that the 'clubs colours' was for 100 years Blue. The stadium, the home kit, the badge, the painted railings, the programme, the website, the tattoos, the scarves, the fans flags, the balloons, the signs..the club was blue.

Liverpool fans have seen their club play in a myriad of colours, but they are identified as the reds. The New York Yankees have change colours, but their colours are integral to them and their identity.

Was the same for me. The fans, stadia, players, managers, pre match pubs, divisions, they all change. But the name, the colours..that should be sacrisanct.

That's how I feel, although it's evident that others don't feel the same attachment in that sense.

I just feel the club (in it's widest concept) needs us now., in the ground, but also outside. I'm not anti-Tan, but I'm very pro blue, and very pro Cardiff City FC, and for me, it's important we stand up forourselves from the unessecary rebrand.

Very well put Cardiffkid, I applaud you, and I mean that.

But I have moved on, rightly or wrongly!

I have a tipping point, I freely admit that, and in my case it is the name. Next season will be my 48th season of watching Cardiff on a regular basis, my dad took me to watch them on the odd occasion before that and in those days my dad would always say "Fancy going to watch The City on Saturday".

The Bluebirds wasn't really used back in those days, it was just a nickname, and I'm not really sure when it changed although I'm not saying it's a bad thing just that for more than 50 years of our history "The City" was the predominant phrase used by fans.

Also when I first went to games there was NO crest on the shirt, can you imagine that no fecking crest unbelieveable isn't it, but that's how it was back then and it was only in the mid late 60's that a crest was introduced. The crest has changed countless times since then but one fact is that our club played without a crest on it's shirt for over 50 years and that's why I don't believe the crest it a tipping point on my continued support of the club.

Also back in those days there was little "Blue" on display inside Ninian Park, certainly nothing compared to the CCS when it opened. Both the Grandstand and Canton stands had wooden seats in those days, can you imagine that, not a "Blue" seat in sight. It's only been since Rick Wright converted the Bob Bank in the 90's were "Blue" seats introduced to the ground, Why?, because blue plastic seats were cheaper than wooden ones, absolutely nothing to do with tradition and when I read fans complain about the seats inside the CCS changing to Red frankly it makes me laugh. People talk of tradition but it was only 20 years ago Blue seats were introduced at our club ground so what on earth has that got to do with tradition.

Also back in those days the grandstand only covered about 30% of the length of the ground, it was extended in the 70's, but when I first started going to games the club and ground name although visble on the outside fascia of the ground wasn't in Blue.

I accept that throughout this time our home kit has been Blue / White and I can't see a time, in my lifetime, where I will not want to see the team play in those wonderful colours. I have hated watching teams like Birmingham & Leicester fetch up at CCS playing in OUR kit, but I can accept it because of the support VT has given my club.

However for me the one thing that cannot change is the name of the club that has always, during my time supporting the club, been present on the outside fascia of our home ground, Cardiff City, it hasn't always been in Blue but it didn't need to.

We are Cardiff City Football Club and that must never change.

for me, it's important we stand up forourselves from the unessecary rebrand.

You made a very good statement until this bit. The rebrand was necessary because without it there was no £100m investment from VT. Whether you think his Far East venture is going to be a failure or not, he is the one with £100m and has every right to set the term.

What we have to stand up for is the future security of CCFC. Without VT we were dead in the water because we had the noose of multi-million pound debts around our necks. VT offered us a solution and a way out of the cycle. We had to contribute something and that was the loss of the Blue shirt.

In grand scheme of things that was a small (although hurtful) sacrifice which gives us a chance to put our house in order. What we need to do now is baton down the hatches and make the most of this opportunity and one day there will be a chance to revert.

However, that time is NOT now.

I have a tipping point, I freely admit that, and in my case it is the name. Next season will be my 48th season of watching Cardiff on a regular basis, my dad took me to watch them on the odd occasion before that and in those days my dad would always say "Fancy going to watch The City on Saturday".

The Bluebirds wasn't really used back in those days, it was just a nickname, and I'm not really sure when it changed although I'm not saying it's a bad thing just that for more than 50 years of our history "The City" was the predominant phrase used by fans.

Also when I first went to games there was NO crest on the shirt, can you imagine that no fecking crest unbelieveable isn't it, but that's how it was back then and it was only in the mid late 60's that a crest was introduced. The crest has changed countless times since then but one fact is that our club played without a crest on it's shirt for over 50 years and that's why I don't believe the crest it a tipping point on my continued support of the club.

Also back in those days there was little "Blue" on display inside Ninian Park, certainly nothing compared to the CCS when it opened. Both the Grandstand and Canton stands had wooden seats in those days, can you imagine that, not a "Blue" seat in sight. It's only been since Rick Wright converted the Bob Bank in the 90's were "Blue" seats introduced to the ground, Why?, because blue plastic seats were cheaper than wooden ones, absolutely nothing to do with tradition and when I read fans complain about the seats inside the CCS changing to Red frankly it makes me laugh. People talk of tradition but it was only 20 years ago Blue seats were introduced at our club ground so what on earth has that got to do with tradition.

Also back in those days the grandstand only covered about 30% of the length of the ground, it was extended in the 70's, but when I first started going to games the club and ground name although visble on the outside fascia of the ground wasn't in Blue.

I accept that throughout this time our home kit has been Blue / White and I can't see a time, in my lifetime, where I will not want to see the team play in those wonderful colours. I have hated watching teams like Birmingham & Leicester fetch up at CCS playing in OUR kit, but I can accept it because of the support VT has given my club.

However for me the one thing that cannot change is the name of the club that has always, during my time supporting the club, been present on the outside fascia of our home ground, Cardiff City, it hasn't always been in Blue but it didn't need to.

We are Cardiff City Football Club and that must never change.

A very good post.I'll bet some of these young spotty muppets don't even know half of what you posted(or the Chucklefucker).Identity and tradition-what a f*cking joke.

I have a tipping point, I freely admit that, and in my case it is the name. Next season will be my 48th season of watching Cardiff on a regular basis, my dad took me to watch them on the odd occasion before that and in those days my dad would always say "Fancy going to watch The City on Saturday".

The Bluebirds wasn't really used back in those days, it was just a nickname, and I'm not really sure when it changed although I'm not saying it's a bad thing just that for more than 50 years of our history "The City" was the predominant phrase used by fans.

Also when I first went to games there was NO crest on the shirt, can you imagine that no fecking crest unbelieveable isn't it, but that's how it was back then and it was only in the mid late 60's that a crest was introduced. The crest has changed countless times since then but one fact is that our club played without a crest on it's shirt for over 50 years and that's why I don't believe the crest it a tipping point on my continued support of the club.

Also back in those days there was little "Blue" on display inside Ninian Park, certainly nothing compared to the CCS when it opened. Both the Grandstand and Canton stands had wooden seats in those days, can you imagine that, not a "Blue" seat in sight. It's only been since Rick Wright converted the Bob Bank in the 90's were "Blue" seats introduced to the ground, Why?, because blue plastic seats were cheaper than wooden ones, absolutely nothing to do with tradition and when I read fans complain about the seats inside the CCS changing to Red frankly it makes me laugh. People talk of tradition but it was only 20 years ago Blue seats were introduced at our club ground so what on earth has that got to do with tradition.

Also back in those days the grandstand only covered about 30% of the length of the ground, it was extended in the 70's, but when I first started going to games the club and ground name although visble on the outside fascia of the ground wasn't in Blue.

I accept that throughout this time our home kit has been Blue / White and I can't see a time, in my lifetime, where I will not want to see the team play in those wonderful colours. I have hated watching teams like Birmingham & Leicester fetch up at CCS playing in OUR kit, but I can accept it because of the support VT has given my club.

However for me the one thing that cannot change is the name of the club that has always, during my time supporting the club, been present on the outside fascia of our home ground, Cardiff City, it hasn't always been in Blue but it didn't need to.

We are Cardiff City Football Club and that must never change.

Castleblue, this is a top post & one I can thoroughly relate to as your experiences over the last 47 yrs mirror mine almost exactly. The main difference being I didn't start going 'down the City' with my father but used to nick in for nothing half the time with a few mates around the age of 10!
I am in the camp of: I am 100% blue, will never wear red but will support Cardiff City until I die.
Players come & go, owners come & go but the old cliche is a true fan will stay forever.
I'm confident that we will be back in blue one day although it may take a while!!

I have a tipping point, I freely admit that, and in my case it is the name. Next season will be my 48th season of watching Cardiff on a regular basis, my dad took me to watch them on the odd occasion before that and in those days my dad would always say "Fancy going to watch The City on Saturday".

The Bluebirds wasn't really used back in those days, it was just a nickname, and I'm not really sure when it changed although I'm not saying it's a bad thing just that for more than 50 years of our history "The City" was the predominant phrase used by fans.

Also when I first went to games there was NO crest on the shirt, can you imagine that no fecking crest unbelieveable isn't it, but that's how it was back then and it was only in the mid late 60's that a crest was introduced. The crest has changed countless times since then but one fact is that our club played without a crest on it's shirt for over 50 years and that's why I don't believe the crest it a tipping point on my continued support of the club.

Also back in those days there was little "Blue" on display inside Ninian Park, certainly nothing compared to the CCS when it opened. Both the Grandstand and Canton stands had wooden seats in those days, can you imagine that, not a "Blue" seat in sight. It's only been since Rick Wright converted the Bob Bank in the 90's were "Blue" seats introduced to the ground, Why?, because blue plastic seats were cheaper than wooden ones, absolutely nothing to do with tradition and when I read fans complain about the seats inside the CCS changing to Red frankly it makes me laugh. People talk of tradition but it was only 20 years ago Blue seats were introduced at our club ground so what on earth has that got to do with tradition.

Also back in those days the grandstand only covered about 30% of the length of the ground, it was extended in the 70's, but when I first started going to games the club and ground name although visble on the outside fascia of the ground wasn't in Blue.

I accept that throughout this time our home kit has been Blue / White and I can't see a time, in my lifetime, where I will not want to see the team play in those wonderful colours. I have hated watching teams like Birmingham & Leicester fetch up at CCS playing in OUR kit, but I can accept it because of the support VT has given my club.

However for me the one thing that cannot change is the name of the club that has always, during my time supporting the club, been present on the outside fascia of our home ground, Cardiff City, it hasn't always been in Blue but it didn't need to.

We are Cardiff City Football Club and that must never change.

A very good post.I'll bet some of these young spotty muppets don't even know half of what you posted(or the Chucklefucker).Identity and tradition-what a f*cking joke.

I know exactly what CB is referring to. The only constant is the blue. I just find it astonishing how any of the old guard can accept the rebrand at the expense of the constant.

I have a tipping point, I freely admit that, and in my case it is the name. Next season will be my 48th season of watching Cardiff on a regular basis, my dad took me to watch them on the odd occasion before that and in those days my dad would always say "Fancy going to watch The City on Saturday".

The Bluebirds wasn't really used back in those days, it was just a nickname, and I'm not really sure when it changed although I'm not saying it's a bad thing just that for more than 50 years of our history "The City" was the predominant phrase used by fans.

Also when I first went to games there was NO crest on the shirt, can you imagine that no fecking crest unbelieveable isn't it, but that's how it was back then and it was only in the mid late 60's that a crest was introduced. The crest has changed countless times since then but one fact is that our club played without a crest on it's shirt for over 50 years and that's why I don't believe the crest it a tipping point on my continued support of the club.

Also back in those days there was little "Blue" on display inside Ninian Park, certainly nothing compared to the CCS when it opened. Both the Grandstand and Canton stands had wooden seats in those days, can you imagine that, not a "Blue" seat in sight. It's only been since Rick Wright converted the Bob Bank in the 90's were "Blue" seats introduced to the ground, Why?, because blue plastic seats were cheaper than wooden ones, absolutely nothing to do with tradition and when I read fans complain about the seats inside the CCS changing to Red frankly it makes me laugh. People talk of tradition but it was only 20 years ago Blue seats were introduced at our club ground so what on earth has that got to do with tradition.

Also back in those days the grandstand only covered about 30% of the length of the ground, it was extended in the 70's, but when I first started going to games the club and ground name although visble on the outside fascia of the ground wasn't in Blue.

I accept that throughout this time our home kit has been Blue / White and I can't see a time, in my lifetime, where I will not want to see the team play in those wonderful colours. I have hated watching teams like Birmingham & Leicester fetch up at CCS playing in OUR kit, but I can accept it because of the support VT has given my club.

However for me the one thing that cannot change is the name of the club that has always, during my time supporting the club, been present on the outside fascia of our home ground, Cardiff City, it hasn't always been in Blue but it didn't need to.

We are Cardiff City Football Club and that must never change.

A very good post.I'll bet some of these young spotty muppets don't even know half of what you posted(or the Chucklefucker).Identity and tradition-what a f*cking joke.

I know exactly what CB is referring to. The only constant is the blue. I just find it astonishing how any of the old guard can accept the rebrand at the expense of the constant.

Ian the point I was trying to make is that, in my opinion, the ONLY constant is our name Cardiff City Football Club. We haven't always played in Blue, we haven't always had a crest on the shirt, we haven't always had blue seats in the stadium etc.

I'm not looking forward to seeing Everton fetch up at the CCS to likely play in the colours I most associate with Cardiff City but let's be clear about this two weeks Saturday Cardiff City will play Everton at the CCS in the Barclays Premier League, whatever colours are being worn by the teams.

More rubbish by Gwyn, Vincent Tan hasn't "given" us over 25 million, he has currently LOANED us over 25 million with a 7% interest. Only when he converts the debt to equity will I thank him for GIVING us all this money to sign players.

More Blue blinkered rubbish from Tonteg, do you realise we get £60m just in TV money? More than enough for the transfers so far unless your maths is worse than my 3 year old nephew.

You do realise the 60m will go towards players wages and other costs? I think you're the one who needs to learn maths!

For the record I've got an A Level in maths but I grant you it was only a C grade.

However I did manage an A grade in economics A Level.

Not bigging myself up but be careful in your assumptions about other people's academic qualifications.

But back to the point, are we paying 7% on our revenue as well?

So it's fine for you to make assumptions about my maths but it's not fine when I give it back.

Obviously we are only paying 7% on what Tan is loaning us, but hopefully he will keep his promise of converting the debt to equity.

Tonteg, I am not trying to point score.

But I'm sure even you understand that the revenue which is now coming into the club is massive compared to last year.

Mr Tan has said as soon as the Langston debt is resolved he will turn his loans to equity. They've agreed on the figure so it's only a matter of time.

I take Tan at his word because he has never renagede on one promise since the rebrand. In fact he has delivered so much more.

I know you are anti Tan but I feel you have become so entrenched in your position that you can't see how good he is for our club - yours and mine, we are one. :

Revenue that might be enhanced by offering blue shirts in the club shop ?!

I have a tipping point, I freely admit that, and in my case it is the name. Next season will be my 48th season of watching Cardiff on a regular basis, my dad took me to watch them on the odd occasion before that and in those days my dad would always say "Fancy going to watch The City on Saturday".

The Bluebirds wasn't really used back in those days, it was just a nickname, and I'm not really sure when it changed although I'm not saying it's a bad thing just that for more than 50 years of our history "The City" was the predominant phrase used by fans.

Also when I first went to games there was NO crest on the shirt, can you imagine that no fecking crest unbelieveable isn't it, but that's how it was back then and it was only in the mid late 60's that a crest was introduced. The crest has changed countless times since then but one fact is that our club played without a crest on it's shirt for over 50 years and that's why I don't believe the crest it a tipping point on my continued support of the club.

Also back in those days there was little "Blue" on display inside Ninian Park, certainly nothing compared to the CCS when it opened. Both the Grandstand and Canton stands had wooden seats in those days, can you imagine that, not a "Blue" seat in sight. It's only been since Rick Wright converted the Bob Bank in the 90's were "Blue" seats introduced to the ground, Why?, because blue plastic seats were cheaper than wooden ones, absolutely nothing to do with tradition and when I read fans complain about the seats inside the CCS changing to Red frankly it makes me laugh. People talk of tradition but it was only 20 years ago Blue seats were introduced at our club ground so what on earth has that got to do with tradition.

Also back in those days the grandstand only covered about 30% of the length of the ground, it was extended in the 70's, but when I first started going to games the club and ground name although visble on the outside fascia of the ground wasn't in Blue.

I accept that throughout this time our home kit has been Blue / White and I can't see a time, in my lifetime, where I will not want to see the team play in those wonderful colours. I have hated watching teams like Birmingham & Leicester fetch up at CCS playing in OUR kit, but I can accept it because of the support VT has given my club.

However for me the one thing that cannot change is the name of the club that has always, during my time supporting the club, been present on the outside fascia of our home ground, Cardiff City, it hasn't always been in Blue but it didn't need to.

We are Cardiff City Football Club and that must never change.

A very good post.I'll bet some of these young spotty muppets don't even know half of what you posted(or the Chucklefucker).Identity and tradition-what a f*cking joke.

I know exactly what CB is referring to. The only constant is the blue. I just find it astonishing how any of the old guard can accept the rebrand at the expense of the constant.

Ian the point I was trying to make is that, in my opinion, the ONLY constant is our name Cardiff City Football Club. We haven't always played in Blue, we haven't always had a crest on the shirt, we haven't always had blue seats in the stadium etc.

I'm not looking forward to seeing Everton fetch up at the CCS to likely play in the colours I most associate with Cardiff City but let's be clear about this two weeks Saturday Cardiff City will play Everton at the CCS in the Barclays Premier League, whatever colours are being worn by the teams.

I don't have a problem with the crest although if we were playing in blue and had that crest I would definitely NOT buy the shirt even if it was our home outfit.

In what way have we not always been blue outside the obvious?

I have a tipping point, I freely admit that, and in my case it is the name. Next season will be my 48th season of watching Cardiff on a regular basis, my dad took me to watch them on the odd occasion before that and in those days my dad would always say "Fancy going to watch The City on Saturday".

The Bluebirds wasn't really used back in those days, it was just a nickname, and I'm not really sure when it changed although I'm not saying it's a bad thing just that for more than 50 years of our history "The City" was the predominant phrase used by fans.

Also when I first went to games there was NO crest on the shirt, can you imagine that no fecking crest unbelieveable isn't it, but that's how it was back then and it was only in the mid late 60's that a crest was introduced. The crest has changed countless times since then but one fact is that our club played without a crest on it's shirt for over 50 years and that's why I don't believe the crest it a tipping point on my continued support of the club.

Also back in those days there was little "Blue" on display inside Ninian Park, certainly nothing compared to the CCS when it opened. Both the Grandstand and Canton stands had wooden seats in those days, can you imagine that, not a "Blue" seat in sight. It's only been since Rick Wright converted the Bob Bank in the 90's were "Blue" seats introduced to the ground, Why?, because blue plastic seats were cheaper than wooden ones, absolutely nothing to do with tradition and when I read fans complain about the seats inside the CCS changing to Red frankly it makes me laugh. People talk of tradition but it was only 20 years ago Blue seats were introduced at our club ground so what on earth has that got to do with tradition.

Also back in those days the grandstand only covered about 30% of the length of the ground, it was extended in the 70's, but when I first started going to games the club and ground name although visble on the outside fascia of the ground wasn't in Blue.

I accept that throughout this time our home kit has been Blue / White and I can't see a time, in my lifetime, where I will not want to see the team play in those wonderful colours. I have hated watching teams like Birmingham & Leicester fetch up at CCS playing in OUR kit, but I can accept it because of the support VT has given my club.

However for me the one thing that cannot change is the name of the club that has always, during my time supporting the club, been present on the outside fascia of our home ground, Cardiff City, it hasn't always been in Blue but it didn't need to.

We are Cardiff City Football Club and that must never change.

A very good post.I'll bet some of these young spotty muppets don't even know half of what you posted(or the Chucklefucker).Identity and tradition-what a f*cking joke.

I know exactly what CB is referring to. The only constant is the blue. I just find it astonishing how any of the old guard can accept the rebrand at the expense of the constant.

Ian the point I was trying to make is that, in my opinion, the ONLY constant is our name Cardiff City Football Club. We haven't always played in Blue, we haven't always had a crest on the shirt, we haven't always had blue seats in the stadium etc.

I'm not looking forward to seeing Everton fetch up at the CCS to likely play in the colours I most associate with Cardiff City but let's be clear about this two weeks Saturday Cardiff City will play Everton at the CCS in the Barclays Premier League, whatever colours are being worn by the teams.

I don't have a problem with the crest although if we were playing in blue and had that crest I would definitely NOT buy the shirt even if it was our home outfit.

In what way have we not always been blue outside the obvious?

1908 - 1910 the club played in the colours of Riverside with the change to Blue around the time the club moved into Ninian Park.

Only a couple of seasons I know but historically accurate.

1908 - 1910 the club played in the colours of Riverside with the change to Blue around the time the club moved into Ninian Park.

Only a couple of seasons I know but historically accurate.

Incorrect. The club have played in a predominantly blue strip since 1908, when the club became known as Cardiff City FC.

http://www.historicalkits.co.uk/Cardiff ... f_City.htm

1908 - 1910 the club played in the colours of Riverside with the change to Blue around the time the club moved into Ninian Park.

Only a couple of seasons I know but historically accurate.

Incorrect. The club have played in a predominantly blue strip since 1908, when the club became known as Cardiff City FC.

http://www.historicalkits.co.uk/Cardiff ... f_City.htm

Thought you had me on ignore Barry but I really glad you have come out to play again.


Are you really sure that you want to say I'm incorrect here as the link you have pulled up says "Circa 1908" whilst the official history of the club says that the club was playing in blue "At the time Ninian Park opened" in 1910. This was also the time the club was elected to the 2nd Division of the Southern League.

So again are you sure Cardiff City wore Blue shirts in the South Wales Amatuer League during season 2008/09 & 2009/10.