Give some credit to VT

There is a big wide world out there gentleman and we are lucky enough to have a massively successful businessman in charge at Cardiff City Football Club. Although I identify our club with the name Cardiff City Football Club, the nicknames Bluebirds and the city and of course the colour blue I can look beyond the one aspect which has been changed because of the massive steps forward that have been achieved by having VT involved.

Count yourself lucky because a number of us cannot. Well at least 5% of us.

A good, well written post.

One I totally disagree with though.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-23362625

An excellent post Gavin but sadly although most everything you say is correct when you read through the replies on this thread any reasonable person would, in my opinion, understand why VT says " I'm disappointed that after 51 years of not being in the top flight that there are still fans who think we haven't done a good job"

From the moment VT & TG invested in the club we have started on a path of professional management with one aim and that is to put the club on a solid financial footing for the longterm. As VT says in that interview he has ploughed an absolute fortune into the club, probably more than any other previous owner in the 48 years I have been watching the City.

But with VT it goes beyond just ploughing money in because I believe from day 1 he has had a vision for the club and one by one the promises he made are being delivered. Again something no other owner in my experience has done.

At the outset of the rebrand he said that he was looking for "New Investors" and that he felt that the search would have to be "International" as there were no obvious candidates locally. In the BBC interview he again mentions "New" Malaysian investors, maybe not just now but he believes when the time is right it is possible.

Having kept the club afloat, funded last season promotion campaign, having plans approved from the new training ground, plans to provide an additional 5,000 seats for season 2014/15, providing MM with a realtisic transfer budget this summer, on the verge of settling the Langstone Issue and of course his promise to convert his loans to equity in the club.

What more must this man do to get some recognition for his achievements change the home colours back to blue.

In my opinion that's classic parochialism in that the world withing the Cardiff City parish will only be OK if the team play in blue. The problem with that outlook is that we are now playing in a league which is a worldwide brand and we need to have a broader outlook than narrow parochial views of the blue Cardiff City.

There is a big wide world out there gentleman and we are lucky enough to have a massively successful businessman in charge at Cardiff City Football Club. Although I identify our club with the name Cardiff City Football Club, the nicknames Bluebirds and the city and of course the colour blue I can look beyond the one aspect which has been changed because of the massive steps forward that have been achieved by having VT involved.

brilliant post, spot on!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-23362625

An excellent post Gavin but sadly although most everything you say is correct when you read through the replies on this thread any reasonable person would, in my opinion, understand why VT says " I'm disappointed that after 51 years of not being in the top flight that there are still fans who think we haven't done a good job"

From the moment VT & TG invested in the club we have started on a path of professional management with one aim and that is to put the club on a solid financial footing for the longterm. As VT says in that interview he has ploughed an absolute fortune into the club, probably more than any other previous owner in the 48 years I have been watching the City.

But with VT it goes beyond just ploughing money in because I believe from day 1 he has had a vision for the club and one by one the promises he made are being delivered. Again something no other owner in my experience has done.

At the outset of the rebrand he said that he was looking for "New Investors" and that he felt that the search would have to be "International" as there were no obvious candidates locally. In the BBC interview he again mentions "New" Malaysian investors, maybe not just now but he believes when the time is right it is possible.

Having kept the club afloat, funded last season promotion campaign, having plans approved from the new training ground, plans to provide an additional 5,000 seats for season 2014/15, providing MM with a realtisic transfer budget this summer, on the verge of settling the Langstone Issue and of course his promise to convert his loans to equity in the club.

What more must this man do to get some recognition for his achievements change the home colours back to blue.

In my opinion that's classic parochialism in that the world withing the Cardiff City parish will only be OK if the team play in blue. The problem with that outlook is that we are now playing in a league which is a worldwide brand and we need to have a broader outlook than narrow parochial views of the blue Cardiff City.

There is a big wide world out there gentleman and we are lucky enough to have a massively successful businessman in charge at Cardiff City Football Club. Although I identify our club with the name Cardiff City Football Club, the nicknames Bluebirds and the city and of course the colour blue I can look beyond the one aspect which has been changed because of the massive steps forward that have been achieved by having VT involved.

Agree.

Most people against Tan/the rebrand all talk a good game, but Tan puts his money where his mouth is.

If anyone else has £120m to choke up to keep the club running, you know where CCS is. Feel free to walk right in.

Depends if your ok with prostitution really and whether you would sell your soul if you were skint

Depends if your ok with prostitution really and whether you would sell your soul if you were skint

Scenario:

I've been wearing blue tshirts and shirts my whole life, I love the colour, but things took a turn for the worse and I'm homeless and bankrupt. Future is bleak.

Some Malaysian fella comes along and offers me redemption, all debt cleared and a new start, but told me the condition is I wear red shirts and tshirts from now on.

Fair deal.

Depends if your ok with prostitution really and whether you would sell your soul if you were skint

Scenario:

I've been wearing blue tshirts and shirts my whole life, I love the colour, but things took a turn for the worse and I'm homeless and bankrupt. Future is bleak.

Some Malaysian fella comes along and offers me redemption, all debt cleared and a new start, but told me the condition is I wear red shirts and tshirts from now on.

Fair deal.

Or some bloke comes along and asks you to sell your arse to get you out of trouble

Not Fair Deal

When your dealing with sums of money and organisations the size of Cardiff City FC, things dont just happen overnight, but in the sort space of time he has been heavily involved with Cardiff City he has delivered time and time again.

Lets see what he's done (in my view) since he took an active role in running the club.....


Saved us from being wound up and cancelled out the then danger of administration - check
Gave MM a budget to sort out a very small playing squad - check
Personally paid for the special lighting to improve pitch condition (much needed at the time) - check
Got rid of Cardiff Blues - check
Financed a succesful promotion push - check
Supplied a very decent transfer budget for this transfer window - check

and looking to the near future:

Langston debt about to get sorted
New training ground, plans well underway
Hopefully after the Hamamm is sorted the debt to equity swap will go ahead as promised.

Now lets be honest who the f**k has done so much for Cardiff City football club in living memory????

All this guy wants is a little respect from the fans for all he has done, and all he seems to get (on this board at least) is pelters!

UNBERFUCKINGLEAVABLE!

His decision to rebrand the club will never be popular, but the positives far outweigh the negatives

Onwards and upwards!

(No doubt ive got a few things wrong in this post, im not a anarak when it comes to the problems and successes of the club, im just a normal fan, feel free to add more or correct me where im wrong)

I don't care what good Tan does for us for him to say those against his rebrand are disrespectful is nonsense! The only person who's been disrespectful to our football club is Tan for taking our identity! Interesting how Tan says the 15 million spent on players took us up and not this "lucky red" nonsense! He continues to embarrass himself with his pathetic stunts/comments to antagonise/disrespect the fans!

As someone I know recently said "it doesn't matter what we might win under Tan because feeling you belong to your club is worth more than any trophy"!

When im standing amongst 3000 (hopefully) Bluebirds at West Ham on August 17th, I'll feel part of our club mate, each to their own though

Thats the point gav all the ones say its not my club ect ect they will be standing screaming when we beat man u and the swans!
Can't beat a bit of double standards on here!

I choose to go to games, support my team, cheer and celebrate when we score/win, but also wear blue and chant blue army, Bluebirds, we'll always be blue etc. How is that double standards? I hate the rebrand, I hate us playing in red, I hate Vincent Tan for not making our promotion to the Premiership feel as special to me as it should have, but I will keep turning up and keep respectfully protesting to get our identity back as I cannot walk away.

Why can't I walk away? Because I love Cardiff City, my local team. The memories our club has given me are irreplaceable. I now go to games to support our club in spite of Tan, not because of him. I watch us now in the hope that one day, I can watch us at some point in the future in blue again with our proper identity, so I can experience more joy and more elation to give me more memories to treasure and look back on. I was here 20 plus years before Tan came and I will be here 20 plus years after Tan goes. I have supported us through the good and bad times, whatever the level. Right now is a bad time for me. Why? Because I don't really feel part of our club and I will always hate Tan for making me feel this way.

My favourite time supporting our club was the Eddie May era. I was a junior Bluebird, I was even a mascot for one game, and the whole community was united as one chanting Eddie May's barmy army, blue army and Bluebirds! I really felt part of my club then, there was a real passionate emotional connection, everyone was buzzing and the atmosphere was incredible. We were in the lower leagues, but supporting us was something to be proud of. Back then we had our blue, our Bluebird, our identity and the passionate Eddie May getting the fans united behind him. Those days were the best and those days were what I loved about being a City fan, I felt part of my club, my local club that I used to be proud of!

What we are currently going through now, despite Premiership football and possible future glories, will still never compare to how I felt back then! I will always support my club, but I may never feel like I did back then again because of what Tan has done. Tan can give us all the money, facilities and success he wants, but it still won't feel the same to me. The days I had a passionate emotional connection to my club have gone. What Tan has done has really upset me, yet when fans like me pour our emotions out, you have the nerve to say we have double standards for still wanting our team to win?

Bang on !

Depends if your ok with prostitution really and whether you would sell your soul if you were skint

Scenario:

I've been wearing blue tshirts and shirts my whole life, I love the colour, but things took a turn for the worse and I'm homeless and bankrupt. Future is bleak.

Some Malaysian fella comes along and offers me redemption, all debt cleared and a new start, but told me the condition is I wear red shirts and tshirts from now on.

Fair deal.

Or some bloke comes along and asks you to sell your arse to get you out of trouble

Not Fair Deal

Why are people so obsessed with bumsex?

It has nothing to do with the financial workings of a football club.

Got some burning desire inside you that you need to share mate?

Depends if your ok with prostitution really and whether you would sell your soul if you were skint

Scenario:

I've been wearing blue tshirts and shirts my whole life, I love the colour, but things took a turn for the worse and I'm homeless and bankrupt. Future is bleak.

Some Malaysian fella comes along and offers me redemption, all debt cleared and a new start, but told me the condition is I wear red shirts and tshirts from now on.

Fair deal.

Or some bloke comes along and asks you to sell your arse to get you out of trouble

Not Fair Deal

Why are people so obsessed with bumsex?

It has nothing to do with the financial workings of a football club.

Got some burning desire inside you that you need to share mate?

I have both sides of the argument here, my brothers are twins, both long term 30+ years home & away fans, one remains a ST holder but is unwilling to discuss the rebrand, the other refuses to step inside the stadium, he describes it as going to the wedding of a girl you were madly in love with who left you for a man with loads of money. I'm in the middle, don't get over that often anyway but will never accept red or that beermat of a badge but will still follow the City because they are my club and have been so since 1970. Might all work out in the end you never know. And another thing, I'm sick and tired of new stadiums, the list of grounds I have been to is getting smaller by the day, can I count the new ones please.

The only thing im against is the red, everything else VT has done right

The only thing im against is the red, everything else VT has done right

And the badge

Finally we seem to be having well thought out discussions on this subject.
Please, please, please let it continue as a debate and not a dividing factor.
We are all going to have to agree to differ at some point before the season starts and fully get behind Cardiff City Bluebirds playing in Red.
I'm certain that this will happen and tolerance will be shown along with camaraderie between All Bluebirds fans regardless of their views.
C'mon you Mighty Bluebirds.....let's tear up this League like we did the last.

When your dealing with sums of money and organisations the size of Cardiff City FC, things dont just happen overnight, but in the sort space of time he has been heavily involved with Cardiff City he has delivered time and time again.

Lets see what he's done (in my view) since he took an active role in running the club.....


Saved us from being wound up and cancelled out the then danger of administration - check
Gave MM a budget to sort out a very small playing squad - check
Personally paid for the special lighting to improve pitch condition (much needed at the time) - check
Got rid of Cardiff Blues - check
Financed a succesful promotion push - check
Supplied a very decent transfer budget for this transfer window - check

and looking to the near future:

Langston debt about to get sorted
New training ground, plans well underway
Hopefully after the Hamamm is sorted the debt to equity swap will go ahead as promised.

Now lets be honest who the f**k has done so much for Cardiff City football club in living memory????

All this guy wants is a little respect from the fans for all he has done, and all he seems to get (on this board at least) is pelters!

UNBERFUCKINGLEAVABLE!

His decision to rebrand the club will never be popular, but the positives far outweigh the negatives

Onwards and upwards!

(No doubt ive got a few things wrong in this post, im not a anarak when it comes to the problems and successes of the club, im just a normal fan, feel free to add more or correct me where im wrong)

Totally agree with you Gavin

The BU need to be aware that they have some right pompous, thick, and presumptuous arseholes on here acting as mouthpieces for them, I won't name names but you can gather who I am referring too.

Great post Gav.

The BU need to be aware that they have some right pompous, thick, and presumptuous arseholes on here acting as mouthpieces for them, I won't name names but you can gather who I am referring too.

Great post Gav.

Does it begin with a C oh sorry a B

The BU need to be aware that they have some right pompous, thick, and presumptuous arseholes on here acting as mouthpieces for them, I won't name names but you can gather who I am referring too.

Great post Gav.

Does it begin with a C oh sorry a B

Still making up quotes about people to suit your agenda? Or have others caught you out too.

The BU need to be aware that they have some right pompous, thick, and presumptuous arseholes on here acting as mouthpieces for them, I won't name names but you can gather who I am referring too.

Great post Gav.

I don't see anyone here on this forum representing BU.

:twisted:

The BU need to be aware that they have some right pompous, thick, and presumptuous arseholes on here acting as mouthpieces for them, I won't name names but you can gather who I am referring too.

Great post Gav.

Does it begin with a C oh sorry a B

Still making up quotes about people to suit your agenda? Or have others caught you out too.

your paranoid take a break .

The BU need to be aware that they have some right pompous, thick, and presumptuous arseholes on here acting as mouthpieces for them, I won't name names but you can gather who I am referring too.

Great post Gav.

I don't see anyone here on this forum representing BU.

No need to roll your eyes at me sunshine. It's my opinion, we are entitled to that, are we not?

Well, that opinion is wholly incorrect, as there is nobody posting in this thread that is speaking on behalf of BU.

:twisted:

The BU need to be aware that they have some right pompous, thick, and presumptuous arseholes on here acting as mouthpieces for them, I won't name names but you can gather who I am referring too.

Great post Gav.

Does it begin with a C oh sorry a B

Still making up quotes about people to suit your agenda? Or have others caught you out too.

your paranoid take a break .

Nobody else caught you out yet?

Well, that opinion is wholly incorrect, as there is nobody posting in this thread that is speaking on behalf of BU.

No it's not. Get back under your rock Chuckles and stop turning every thread into a warzone just to feed your ego and propaganda.

:twisted:

The BU need to be aware that they have some right pompous, thick, and presumptuous arseholes on here acting as mouthpieces for them, I won't name names but you can gather who I am referring too.

Great post Gav.

Does it begin with a C oh sorry a B

Still making up quotes about people to suit your agenda? Or have others caught you out too.

your paranoid take a break .

Nobody else caught you out yet?

No agenda just my opinion which I'm entitled too.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-23362625

An excellent post Gavin but sadly although most everything you say is correct when you read through the replies on this thread any reasonable person would, in my opinion, understand why VT says " I'm disappointed that after 51 years of not being in the top flight that there are still fans who think we haven't done a good job"

From the moment VT & TG invested in the club we have started on a path of professional management with one aim and that is to put the club on a solid financial footing for the longterm. As VT says in that interview he has ploughed an absolute fortune into the club, probably more than any other previous owner in the 48 years I have been watching the City.

But with VT it goes beyond just ploughing money in because I believe from day 1 he has had a vision for the club and one by one the promises he made are being delivered. Again something no other owner in my experience has done.

At the outset of the rebrand he said that he was looking for "New Investors" and that he felt that the search would have to be "International" as there were no obvious candidates locally. In the BBC interview he again mentions "New" Malaysian investors, maybe not just now but he believes when the time is right it is possible.

Having kept the club afloat, funded last season promotion campaign, having plans approved from the new training ground, plans to provide an additional 5,000 seats for season 2014/15, providing MM with a realtisic transfer budget this summer, on the verge of settling the Langstone Issue and of course his promise to convert his loans to equity in the club.

What more must this man do to get some recognition for his achievements change the home colours back to blue.

In my opinion that's classic parochialism in that the world withing the Cardiff City parish will only be OK if the team play in blue. The problem with that outlook is that we are now playing in a league which is a worldwide brand and we need to have a broader outlook than narrow parochial views of the blue Cardiff City.

There is a big wide world out there gentleman and we are lucky enough to have a massively successful businessman in charge at Cardiff City Football Club. Although I identify our club with the name Cardiff City Football Club, the nicknames Bluebirds and the city and of course the colour blue I can look beyond the one aspect which has been changed because of the massive steps forward that have been achieved by having VT involved.

A very good post castleblue and I respect your feelings. Unfortunately, although yourself and many other fans may be able to see past the blue as long as we are taking steps forwards under Tan, I will never be able to. Tan can give us all the success, facilities, money and glories he likes, as long as we are in red, I will still feel detached from our club, especially when he labels me as a disruptive, ungrateful customer. Because of that, I will never be able to appreciate our future glories as much as I used to. The elation I felt when we defeated Man City and Leeds in the cup, securing promotion away to York, beating QPR in the playoff final, or when Ben Turner equalised against Liverpool was something I will never ever feel again because of Tan.

It's a shame some fans seem to be changing their opinion on the rebrand because of the good Tan has done for us. I will admit rebrand aside, Tan has done nothing but good for our club (assuming he converts the debt into equity), but however much good he does for us, even if he gets us to dominate world football, I will still not enjoy it as much as the Eddie May days, and how sad is that? I think whether you like it or not, the fans "seeing past the blue" are the fans that deep down, want success at any cost and will quite happily take future success ahead of fighting to save the identity of our football club - a football club I used to have a passionate emotional connection with and feel proud of.

Well, that opinion is wholly incorrect, as there is nobody posting in this thread that is speaking on behalf of BU.

No it's not. Get back under your rock Chuckles and stop turning every thread into a warzone just to feed your ego and propaganda.

Yes it is. It is a total FACT, which you cannot argue against young man. You were WRONG.

Well, that opinion is wholly incorrect, as there is nobody posting in this thread that is speaking on behalf of BU.

No it's not. Get back under your rock Chuckles and stop turning every thread into a warzone just to feed your ego and propaganda.

Yes it is. It is a total FACT, which you cannot argue against young man. You were WRONG.

It's all one big game to you isn't it kid. Pathetic little man with nothing better to do than argue and point score on the internet. I am not wrong but I let you have this one as it's obvious you crave it so much.

For you to be right, you'd have to name the person you claim is representing BU & then have them confirm that they are doing so.

I don't see anyone here representing BU in their posts, so you are wrong. Simple as that.

For you to be right, you'd have to name the person you claim is representing BU & then have them confirm that they are doing so.

I don't see anyone here representing BU in their posts, so you are wrong. Simple as that.

Oh for god sake this isn't a school yard, no need to point score Annis isn't going to give you a free book and weekend in Santa Ponsa if you win an argument.

Grow up or wise up kiddo.

Give some credit to VT.............NO
When debt to equity is done then i will. But not for the rebrand

A phenomenal reply from the best poster on this message board

Cheers gav