Blue in division 2 or red in top four pl?

Easy question to answer,red in the premier for me.

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Jon you didn't reply to my post , your making a mug of your self again now just leave it go now

The simple question was either red in the Premier League or blue in League Two (regardless of everything else), and the fact that some people put success (for what could be only one season) over tradition and identity says a lot about some people.

Jon, this is just raising the opposite question but might it equally say a lot about the people it is claimed 'cannot move on' in order to secure our future in a rapidly changing environment where money is key?

Would you keep the same style of clothes, car, haircut, etc. just because you had them before and didn't like to 'let go' because you always had them?

It might be rhetorical but the principle is surely the same, eh?

People change consistently in many different ways as they grow.

Football clubs don't. The only way in which football clubs should change is when the club are modernising such as changing stadium, changing badge etc. The rebrand wasn't an act of modernisation, just a colour preference to the owner. The colours of a club should never change, especially when the colour has been part of the club's identity for over 100 years.

The colour change is modernisation to try and make the club a more profitable business and to mainly attract investors etc from the Far East (china) it's part of the club evolving which is modernisation not just a colour preference for the owner if you believe that's the real reason then you truly are dull as dog shit.

Modernisation my arse. It's hardly modernising making a club red so a few people in asia will recognise us. Success attracts the Far East, not a f*cking colour. If you believe any of that then you are dull as dog shit.

Jon you didn't reply to my post , your making a mug of your self again now just leave it go now

Didn't see your post as I was replying to other people, everything doesn't revolve around you.

The simple question was either red in the Premier League or blue in League Two (regardless of everything else), and the fact that some people put success (for what could be only one season) over tradition and identity says a lot about some people.

You'll still be there next season. Bluebirds Unite, against modern football, yet 99% will still go and watch Cardiff City in the PL, arguably the birthplace of modern football.

Ain't half some self gratifying posters on here thinking they are better for caring more about identity. As already said, Wolves in L1 and fans are going nuts and upset. If you want to being that bad feeling back to Cardiff then fair enough but I'd rather the next generation getting behind a PL Cardiff City even in red.

My preference don't matter, I'll be dead in 40-50 years most likely. The club lives on. The club is bigger than any player, manager or fan. The problem over the years has been people trying to use the club to make a name for themselves and now people are doing the same over the kit colour

As for prostituting our identity Chuckles, you still go. You are supporting it financially. Anyone with an ounce of business knowledge would see that. It's like a drug user slating a dealer for spending his money in trafficking when they're actively supporting it by buying drugs and putting money in the dealers pocket. You are helping create profit and fund activities elsewhere.

If you hate the rebrand don't go. TLG don't go. That's not supporting Tan. Just set up a Tan out scheme and stop going. That aint going to happen though because the lure of PL football is too strong and matters more than identity to you. If you still go you are no different to someone else who goes, financially supporting the club and Tan who is keeping it afloat.

This is getting boring now. If you stopped going like TLG you would be taken more seriously. As it stands all it comes across is a minority trying to be heroes but deep down doing nothing.

Tan is willing to lose up to 25% of customers. If you still go, red or blue, you are still a customer. You're not making a stand against the rebrand if you still go. Tan deals with balance sheets and end of financial year reports.

He laughs off chants of blue and he knows locals will still wear blue hence still selling a blue kit. As long as locals keep buying tickets and merchandise, red or blue, Tan ain't going to care. A customer is a customer. Tans business model is not one that puts customer relations at its forefront. Surely that is not hard to ascertain from previous actions. All he will care about is money and he'll do what he wants to get it.

Football fans are against certain aspects of modern football, not modern football as a whole.

Wolves fans are angry and upset because they were relegated, just like any other fanbase would, that's part of football. But they still wouldn't want to change their identity for Premier League football. That "bad feeling" will always be here with me for as long as we are in red, I'd be a lot happier if we went back to blue than any success we achieve. I don't care what league we're in because I'll support the club through thick and thin.

You can't support the rebrand "financially". The only way in which you can support the rebrand is by wearing the red merchandise.

You say "if you hate the rebrand, don't go", what an ignorant thing to say. Like you said, a football club is bigger than any person, even Tan. I'm not going to stop supporting the club just because of one man.

Just because TLG doesn't go anymore, why does that mean we shouldn't either? Anyone who boycotts will never be taken seriously as their will always be people to replace them whilst we're in the Premier League. If you think that only a minority of people want blue back then you are deluded.

We're never going to stop wearing blue, chanting blue, protesting for blue so stop trying to tell us what to do as we'll never go away.

Says the man, sorry boy who purchased a rebranded shirt

I purchased the BLUE away kit, hardly rebrand merchandise is it

It has the rebranded badge on it. Its therefore a rebranded shirt.

Does that mean we rebranded every time we changed our badge in our history? Badges change at ALL clubs from time to time. The only "rebrand" was changing the colour of the shirt.

Football fans are against certain aspects of modern football, not modern football as a whole.

Wolves fans are angry and upset because they were relegated, just like any other fanbase would, that's part of football. But they still wouldn't want to change their identity for Premier League football. That "bad feeling" will always be here with me for as long as we are in red, I'd be a lot happier if we went back to blue than any success we achieve. I don't care what league we're in because I'll support the club through thick and thin.

So you would be happy for crowds of 4000 in League 2 as long as it suits you? Dont worry about the other families in and around Cardiff who want their kids to enjoy the local offerings and so forth. I've been there when we were struggling and its shit. Some of the days out at Ninian and away were great. There's no denying that. For nostalgic reasons only I'd love to go back, just a few more times but not long term. No way. We moved on, we modernised. Wolves fans are fuming. The majority of them upset and I dont wish that on Cardiff at all. It leaves a bad feeling around the City and us being in L2 would also see fans growing up supporting other clubs like Liverpool, Man Utd. Theres a reason parents are taking their kids and its because reputation has changed and we are in the limelight getting rewards. Other fans go for success, tell me one club at our current level that doesn't have that at their club?

You can't support the rebrand "financially". The only way in which you can support the rebrand is by wearing the red merchandise.

Bollocks. You supporting something when you invest in it. When you buy a ticket you invest in something. When I buy eggs from the local farm, im supporting local farmers. When you buy some of Tans merchandise you are saying 'I support the club and therefore the business, which the club is'. Its not had to work out Jon. Stop playing dumb. If you buy something from someone you are supporting them financially. When you support the club you support Tan's vision for that club.

Who do you think makes the decisions on where your money is spent? Borley doesn't. Hes hoping for the best and hoping Tan gets the finances in order. Tan does. The money you put into the business (club) Tan uses to do what he wants with whether thats invest in the team, put a downpayment on merchandise for a shipping or visit the local brothel. Hes the one who is saying where the money goes. Malky said it himself in an interview 'not a penny is spent badly and everything is run passed Tan'. Its pretty obvious.

Jon, I will say it again and maybe it will sink in this time, if you invest in something, as you do when you purchase something from a business you are supporting it. As Tan is calling the shots you are supporting what he does. I dont buy Sky, I dont buy some newspapers because I think Murdoch is a despicable **** and I dont want to support him or his ways. I'll stream it online, I'll watch it in the pub but I wont put money into his business or support his visions by investing in them.

You say "if you hate the rebrand, don't go", what an ignorant thing to say. Like you said, a football club is bigger than any person, even Tan. I'm not going to stop supporting the club just because of one man.

If you keep going you are supporting Tan. You are one of his customers. You bought a ticket from his business, enough said. The club is a business Jon. Wake up FFS. A business Tan owns. You say club like its now some prestigious entity that is different from a business. Its not. A club is a business and the financial aspects of such a business are predominantly the same. Lose money, rack up debts you cant pay back and pop, the financial bubble bursts.

Just because TLG doesn't go anymore, why does that mean we shouldn't either? Anyone who boycotts will never be taken seriously as their will always be people to replace them whilst we're in the Premier League.

TLG doesn't go anymore because he knows by going he'll be one of Tans customers and supporting the rebrand. Ask him. He'll tell you. He doesn't go no more because he doesn't want to support it and he doesn't agree with it in any way, shape or form. Thats a respectable opinion. Hes put his beliefs before PL football and success. You'll be there next season regardless because the lure of PL football is too great.

If you think that only a minority of people want blue back then you are deluded.

No. Only a minority are willing to take a PROPER stand against it, TLG etc. Not even you are making a stand. You're still going, you're still trading with Cardiff City FC (holdings) Ltd (source: http://companycheck.co.uk/company/04044254) and therefore you are supporting the business. If you support a business you are supporting the business model and what it stands for.

We're never going to stop wearing blue, chanting blue, protesting for blue so stop trying to tell us what to do as we'll never go away.

Good for you but if you continue to buy tickets and keep trading with Cardiff City FC (holdings) Ltd then you are still supporting the club and in doing so the business. The business is based on a business model. The business model is based on Tans vision. Its all part of a business plan, i.e. project scope and by supporting the end product that the consumer receives you are supporting the whole chain to get to that whether its production or service. Thats business for you mate.

@jonccfc

No, the rebrand included the badge.

If you aren't worried about the badge then you wouldnt complain if the bluebird was removed off it.

No, the rebrand included the badge.

If you aren't worried about the badge then you wouldnt complain if the bluebird was removed off it.

What I'm trying to say is that I can handle a change of badge because they change from time to time at all clubs and no doubt ours is going to change a few more times. Of course I'm against the change of badge and I don't like it (just like how Everton fans don't like their new badge), but it's still our badge and it wouldn't stop me from buying the blue shirt. The colour change is the only real thing I'm against as club colours should never change.

Also James I really can't be bothered reading and replying to all of that as I have better things to do so you win, well done.

The colour change is the only real thing I'm against as club colours should never change.

So why continue to support it by investing in Tans business, CCFC?

Why not just wear an old blue shirt?

Whether you like it or not, you are financially supporting the business and the business is based on a business model which is Tans vision. Tans vision is the reason for the rebrand.

No, the rebrand included the badge.

If you aren't worried about the badge then you wouldnt complain if the bluebird was removed off it.

What I'm trying to say is that I can handle a change of badge because they change from time to time at all clubs and no doubt ours is going to change a few more times. Of course I'm against the change of badge and I don't like it (just like how Everton fans don't like their new badge), but it's still our badge and it wouldn't stop me from buying the blue shirt. The colour change is the only real thing I'm against as club colours should never change.

So you can handle the change of badge. Why do you look down on those that can handle a swop of home and away shirt colours then?

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Also James I really can't be bothered reading and replying to all of that as I have better things to do so you win, well done.

Ignorance is bliss.

The colour change is the only real thing I'm against as club colours should never change.

So why continue to support it by investing in Tans business, CCFC?

Why not just wear an old blue shirt?

Whether you like it or not, you are financially supporting the business and the business is based on a business model which is Tans vision. Tans vision is the reason for the rebrand.

No football fan sees supporting their club as "supporting a business", even if it is. We're just here to support the club as we love the club, that's it!

I do wear old blue City shirts but it's been a personal tradition of mine to buy the blue shirt every season since I first started going.

No, the rebrand included the badge.

If you aren't worried about the badge then you wouldnt complain if the bluebird was removed off it.

What I'm trying to say is that I can handle a change of badge because they change from time to time at all clubs and no doubt ours is going to change a few more times. Of course I'm against the change of badge and I don't like it (just like how Everton fans don't like their new badge), but it's still our badge and it wouldn't stop me from buying the blue shirt. The colour change is the only real thing I'm against as club colours should never change.

So you can handle the change of badge. Why do you look down on those that can handle a swop of home and away shirt colours then?

I look down on those who actively support the rebrand, not those who can just handle it.

Also James I really can't be bothered reading and replying to all of that as I have better things to do so you win, well done.

Ignorance is bliss.

No football fan sees supporting their club as "supporting a business", even if it is. We're just here to support the club as we love the club, that's it!

It doesn't matter how you see it. It matters how Tan sees it. What he sees is someone supporting his business. Cardiff City FC is a business to him. Hes said that.

I do wear old blue City shirts but it's been a personal tradition of mine to buy the blue shirt every season since I first started going.

Well then you are supporting Tans business or our club (same thing) then.

Jon your starting to sound punch drunk,go and have a rest.

No football fan sees supporting their club as "supporting a business", even if it is. We're just here to support the club as we love the club, that's it!

It doesn't matter how you see it. It matters how Tan sees it. What he sees is someone supporting his business. Cardiff City FC is a business to him. Hes said that.

I do wear old blue City shirts but it's been a personal tradition of mine to buy the blue shirt every season since I first started going.

Well then you are supporting Tans business or our club (same thing) then.

I know.

Jon your starting to sound punch drunk,go and have a rest.

Just replying to my fans and sharing my views

Jon your starting to sound punch drunk,go and have a rest.

Just replying to my fans and sharing my views

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If there was a rebrand sub forum, I would have moved this HOURS ago!

If there was a rebrand sub forum, I would have moved this HOURS ago!

well said.

If there was a rebrand sub forum, I would have moved this HOURS ago!

Sorry I started this thread now so lets just finish it right here now and concentrate on the new season and cardiff city football club especially dopey jon give it a rest now for f**k sake! The End!

Still cardiff city football club but which one would you choose?
Highly unlikely i know but just interested hearing people's responses so give one answer and not make it into a rebrand debate or have any people saying get real bla bla bla...

Blue in division 2 or red top four pl?

Blue and The Rymans Premier League, if need be.

Sorry I started this thread now so lets just finish it right here now and concentrate on the new season and cardiff city football club especially dopey jon give it a rest now for f**k sake! The End!

Ahh so because I don't agree with you, you tell ME to give it a rest and no one else, brilliant

The simple question was either red in the Premier League or blue in League Two (regardless of everything else), and the fact that some people put success (for what could be only one season) over tradition and identity says a lot about some people.

Jon, this is just raising the opposite question but might it equally say a lot about the people it is claimed 'cannot move on' in order to secure our future in a rapidly changing environment where money is key?

Would you keep the same style of clothes, car, haircut, etc. just because you had them before and didn't like to 'let go' because you always had them?

It might be rhetorical but the principle is surely the same, eh?

People change consistently in many different ways as they grow.

Football clubs don't. The only way in which football clubs should change is when the club are modernising such as changing stadium, changing badge etc. The rebrand wasn't an act of modernisation, just a colour preference to the owner. The colours of a club should never change, especially when the colour has been part of the club's identity for over 100 years.

The colour change is modernisation to try and make the club a more profitable business and to mainly attract investors etc from the Far East (china) it's part of the club evolving which is modernisation not just a colour preference for the owner if you believe that's the real reason then you truly are dull as dog shit.

Modernisation my arse. It's hardly modernising making a club red so a few people in asia will recognise us. Success attracts the Far East, not a f*cking colour. If you believe any of that then you are dull as dog shit.

Agreed. Chelsea for example.

Where was my preferred option, mauve in the championship?