Jacks not impressed with our lads

In your last 8 games, you have only scored 4 goals! and only beat relegation threatened Newcastle, I don't think you have the strength in depth that you believe you have. Michu, has been the difference, which is fine, as that's what he's there for, to score goals, However, had he not turned out to be sensational, then there would be a very different look to your position in the table.

Yes goalscoring has been a problem since January, we've lost Danny Graham meaning Michu's had to play out of position and generally our current strikers aren't good enough but this is an area that will be addressed. We will spend money in the summer up front and sign a couple of forward, if we'd have had more clinical finishing we would have beaten Norwich and Southampton for sure.

That argument can be used against any player with a good player at the club, ultimately it gives us some match winning quality and we knew what we were signing. It was hardly a surprise that he was scoring the goals he was to the likes of Laudrup. Next season we'll have a lot more than just him going forward like I've said.

Strengh in depth? Luke Moore is your 2nd choice striker ffs.

You are not a better team than the Newcastle who finished 6th last year.

Aside from the top 6/7 everyone is in danger of going down next year.

I surprised no one has posted the jacks players t shirt pissing on the city shirt

So you will sign a couple of forwards, you also need at least 3 or 4 to bolster your squad with the europa league, so 6 maybe even 7 players of quality, you won't get decent money for your fringe players, so probably need to spend the same, if not more than us, and I can't see huw being too happy to do that, or you fans who seem to love frugality, or is all that changing now?

Don't forget Birmingham.

Birmingham were relegated during the season they won the League Cup, in their European season they finished 4th in the Championship.

Strengh in depth? Luke Moore is your 2nd choice striker ffs.

You are not a better team than the Newcastle who finished 6th last year.

Aside from the top 6/7 everyone is in danger of going down next year.

Luke Moore is our first choice striker.

Up front, as I've said, we haven't got the quality you'd want but it's something we'll address in the summer. We've signed Jose Canas, and if we offer Tiendalli a new contract, sign two strikers, a centre back and De Guzman permanently then I won't have concern about our side for next season.

We are better than Newcastle's current team though, the table doesn't lie, they've got four of five players of great individual ability but they aren't a strong team and rely on individual goals to get them out of trouble. When those players aren't playing they were always going to struggle. We should have the likes of Ki, De Guzman, Dyer, Taylor/Davies, Tiendalli and Tremmel next season as cover to deal with the large fixture list.

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Strengh in depth? Luke Moore is your 2nd choice striker ffs.

You are not a better team than the Newcastle who finished 6th last year.

Aside from the top 6/7 everyone is in danger of going down next year.

Exactly, michu has gone off the boil and therefore they are struggling, that tells me that there is very little depth, which I would find a worry.

Luke Moore is our first choice striker.
Top 4 easy for you next season then, couldn't make it up.

So you will sign a couple of forwards, you also need at least 3 or 4 to bolster your squad with the europa league, so 6 maybe even 7 players of quality, you won't get decent money for your fringe players, so probably need to spend the same, if not more than us, and I can't see huw being too happy to do that, or you fans who seem to love frugality, or is all that changing now?

Well we got £5 million for Graham, and that will all go towards a marquee striker, plus perhaps £1-3 million realistically. We'll reportedly sign De Guzman for £5 million, we've got Canas on a free transfer, we could spend anything up to £4 million on another forward and £3 million on another centre half.

At most, it will cost £20 million, but I think we're looking more realistically at £15 million. Given that we're on course to make a £30 million profit for 2012-13, and that we'll account financially for Europe then I think that is a realistic figure. The likes of Mark Gower, Alan Tate, Itay Shechter, Leroy Lita and Kemy Agustien (possibly Garry Monk, Luke Moore, Dwight Tiendalli, Roland Lamah) are likely to be let go so we'll have a similar size squad, but the quality of it should improve, like you say it won't generate much money but it will free up the wages and allow us to bring players of a better quality in.

Strengh in depth? Luke Moore is your 2nd choice striker ffs.

You are not a better team than the Newcastle who finished 6th last year.

Aside from the top 6/7 everyone is in danger of going down next year.

Exactly, michu has gone off the boil and therefore they are struggling, that tells me that there is very little depth, which I would find a worry.

Michu has had to play out of position, due to the sale of Danny Graham, which once we've signed a couple of strikers won't be a problem next season.

We do have a lack of depth up front, in fact no depth up front, but we do have plenty of depth in our side. We were able to make 3/4 chances per game during December/January with a large amount of fixtures going a long stage unbeaten and winning crucial game, we even made 7 changes before beating Fulham away 2-1. We've got plenty of depth in central midfield, out wide, at full backs and have two very good goalkeepers at Premier League level.

Don't forget Birmingham.

Birmingham were relegated during the season they won the League Cup, in their European season they finished 4th in the Championship.

But you did say Ipswich were the "Only" PL club to be relegated having qualified for Europe. Birmingham won the Carling Cup and qualified for the Europa League and then got relegated.

At the time Birminghan played the last of the Europa League games they were 15th in the Championship. They then went on to lose only 3 of thier remaining 26 Championship games and finished 4th. It is difficult to argue that taking part in the Europa League had an extremely negative effect on thier league performances. Free of the Europa League they were a completely different prospect in the Championship.

Both Bolton Wanderers and Newcastle have seen thier PL position put under threat by playing in the Europa League, Bolton survived relegation by only 1 point in 2007/08 and Newcastle are under real threat this season. Both those clubs had or have bigger squads than Swansea City.

Time will tell how it affects Swansea next season but history says it will have an effect.

Bottom line is, the spotlight has been taken off Swansea and they dont like it.

But you did say Ipswich were the "Only" PL club to be relegated having qualified for Europe. Birmingham won the Carling Cup and qualified for the Europa League and then got relegated.

At the time Birminghan played the last of the Europa League games they were 15th in the Championship. They then went on to lose only 3 of thier remaining 26 Championship games and finished 4th. It is difficult to argue that taking part in the Europa League had an extremely negative effect on thier league performances. Free of the Europa League they were a completely different prospect in the Championship.

Both Bolton Wanderers and Newcastle have seen thier PL position put under threat by playing in the Europa League, Bolton survived relegation by only 1 point in 2007/08 and Newcastle are under real threat this season. Both those clubs had or have bigger squads than Swansea City.

Time will tell how it affects Swansea next season but history says it will have an effect.

As in being the only club to have been relegated when competing in Europe in the same season, obviously we're not going to emulate what Birmingham did as we are already mathematically safe.

At the time of being 15th, they'd have a lot of games in hand and it showed that they could be successful whilst competing in Europe, looking at their squad at the time I thought they did well to finish in the playoffs regardless of being in Europe.

Newcastle will go on to stay up, and Bolton stayed up, so even though they may have been close ultimately they've managed to stay in the division which is what I've claimed what we'll do. There are some clubs who have had poor seasons whilst in Europe, but to say Europe would be the only factor for that is wrong, some clubs generally just can have poor seasons but there's nothing to suggest we will. As i've said Newcastle are a completely different club to us in a completely different set of circumstances, and if we were under their management I'd be a lot less optimistic about next season but we're in the hands of Michael Laudrup. History says that it'll have an effect, history supports that it's more likely to have a positive effect on the team than a negative and history supports that we'll stay up next season.

Luke Moore is our first choice striker.
Top 4 easy for you next season then, couldn't make it up.

I haven't said we'll finish top four, I said we'll comfortably avoid relegation again.

And also, like I've said on countless occasions, that is a problem that will be sorted by the start of next season and the reason we've failed to beat the likes of Norwich and Southampton despite being the better side and dominating the game.

Yes you are in the hands of Laudrup, a bloke who knows european football, I think that will actually count against you, as you may go quite far, further than Newcastle this season for example or brum, 60 odd games then, 20 million spend, in your words, I don't think so, and can't see you spending that anyway. Our owner however has stated that he will spend that,( he can afford it before any financial argument) But according to most jacks we are down already, so don't get the logic. You spend the same as us and can compete on two fronts yet we are down?

But you did say Ipswich were the "Only" PL club to be relegated having qualified for Europe. Birmingham won the Carling Cup and qualified for the Europa League and then got relegated.

At the time Birminghan played the last of the Europa League games they were 15th in the Championship. They then went on to lose only 3 of thier remaining 26 Championship games and finished 4th. It is difficult to argue that taking part in the Europa League had an extremely negative effect on thier league performances. Free of the Europa League they were a completely different prospect in the Championship.

Both Bolton Wanderers and Newcastle have seen thier PL position put under threat by playing in the Europa League, Bolton survived relegation by only 1 point in 2007/08 and Newcastle are under real threat this season. Both those clubs had or have bigger squads than Swansea City.

Time will tell how it affects Swansea next season but history says it will have an effect.

As in being the only club to have been relegated when competing in Europe in the same season, obviously we're not going to emulate what Birmingham did as we are already mathematically safe.

At the time of being 15th, they'd have a lot of games in hand and it showed that they could be successful whilst competing in Europe, looking at their squad at the time I thought they did well to finish in the playoffs regardless of being in Europe.

Newcastle will go on to stay up, and Bolton stayed up, so even though they may have been close ultimately they've managed to stay in the division which is what I've claimed what we'll do. There are some clubs who have had poor seasons whilst in Europe, but to say Europe would be the only factor for that is wrong, some clubs generally just can have poor seasons but there's nothing to suggest we will. As i've said Newcastle are a completely different club to us in a completely different set of circumstances, and if we were under their management I'd be a lot less optimistic about next season but we're in the hands of Michael Laudrup. History says that it'll have an effect, history supports that it's more likely to have a positive effect on the team than a negative and history supports that we'll stay up next season.

I'd love to know the history which shows either the UEFA Cup or Europa League has had a positive effect on a club taking part in either of those competitions. I won't hold my breath on that one.

Newcastle are a completely different club to Swansea absolutely no doubt about that which means that despite having a squad which has seen 32 players play in PL matches and 30 players play in Europa League fixtures. Newcastle will finish this season having played 8 more matches than Swansea and will be lucky to survive relegation.

How many players have Swansea used this season? How many players will they need next season? Swansea like Cardiff are small clubs when compared to Newcastle and will never be able to compete with clubs like that in terms of squad size and quality.

The Europa League has stretched Newcastle and Michael Laudrup or not next season will be a big big test for Swansea.

Yes you are in the hands of Laudrup, a bloke who knows european football, I think that will actually count against you, as you may go quite far, further than Newcastle this season for example or brum, 60 odd games then, 20 million spend, in your words, I don't think so, and can't see you spending that anyway. Our owner however has stated that he will spend that,( he can afford it before any financial argument) But according to most jacks we are down already, so don't get the logic. You spend the same as us and can compete on two fronts yet we are down?

The jacks are starting to believe in their own hype now and think theyre untouchable from going down. We will just have to wait and see, I dont think they will be relegated but I dont think we will either

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But you did say Ipswich were the "Only" PL club to be relegated having qualified for Europe. Birmingham won the Carling Cup and qualified for the Europa League and then got relegated.

At the time Birminghan played the last of the Europa League games they were 15th in the Championship. They then went on to lose only 3 of thier remaining 26 Championship games and finished 4th. It is difficult to argue that taking part in the Europa League had an extremely negative effect on thier league performances. Free of the Europa League they were a completely different prospect in the Championship.

Both Bolton Wanderers and Newcastle have seen thier PL position put under threat by playing in the Europa League, Bolton survived relegation by only 1 point in 2007/08 and Newcastle are under real threat this season. Both those clubs had or have bigger squads than Swansea City.

Time will tell how it affects Swansea next season but history says it will have an effect.

As in being the only club to have been relegated when competing in Europe in the same season, obviously we're not going to emulate what Birmingham did as we are already mathematically safe.

At the time of being 15th, they'd have a lot of games in hand and it showed that they could be successful whilst competing in Europe, looking at their squad at the time I thought they did well to finish in the playoffs regardless of being in Europe.

Newcastle will go on to stay up, and Bolton stayed up, so even though they may have been close ultimately they've managed to stay in the division which is what I've claimed what we'll do. There are some clubs who have had poor seasons whilst in Europe, but to say Europe would be the only factor for that is wrong, some clubs generally just can have poor seasons but there's nothing to suggest we will. As i've said Newcastle are a completely different club to us in a completely different set of circumstances, and if we were under their management I'd be a lot less optimistic about next season but we're in the hands of Michael Laudrup. History says that it'll have an effect, history supports that it's more likely to have a positive effect on the team than a negative and history supports that we'll stay up next season.

I'd love to know the history which shows either the UEFA Cup or Europa League has had a positive effect on a club taking part in either of those competitions. I won't hold my breath on that one.

Newcastle are a completely different club to Swansea absolutely no doubt about that which means that despite having a squad which has seen 32 players play in PL matches and 30 players play in Europa League fixtures. Newcastle will finish this season having played 8 more matches than Swansea and will be lucky to survive relegation.

How many players have Swansea used this season? How many players will they need next season? Swansea like Cardiff are small clubs when compared to Newcastle and will never be able to compete with clubs like that in terms of squad size and quality.

The Europa League has stretched Newcastle and Michael Laudrup or not next season will be a big big test for Swansea.

Depends what you mean by positive effect. A clubs ambitions and success is deemed on league position and European competition. The fact a club plays in Europe has a positive effect in itself, it attracts better players for a start. lukaku for example liked it at WBA and now wants to go to a club that has Europe on the agenda next season, he now comes into our bracket.

Would you rather 12th and 12th or 6th and 15th with a European campaign on the back of it. I'd rather the latter and would certainly see it as more successful than back to back lower mid table finishes.

But you did say Ipswich were the "Only" PL club to be relegated having qualified for Europe. Birmingham won the Carling Cup and qualified for the Europa League and then got relegated.

At the time Birminghan played the last of the Europa League games they were 15th in the Championship. They then went on to lose only 3 of thier remaining 26 Championship games and finished 4th. It is difficult to argue that taking part in the Europa League had an extremely negative effect on thier league performances. Free of the Europa League they were a completely different prospect in the Championship.

Both Bolton Wanderers and Newcastle have seen thier PL position put under threat by playing in the Europa League, Bolton survived relegation by only 1 point in 2007/08 and Newcastle are under real threat this season. Both those clubs had or have bigger squads than Swansea City.

Time will tell how it affects Swansea next season but history says it will have an effect.

As in being the only club to have been relegated when competing in Europe in the same season, obviously we're not going to emulate what Birmingham did as we are already mathematically safe.

At the time of being 15th, they'd have a lot of games in hand and it showed that they could be successful whilst competing in Europe, looking at their squad at the time I thought they did well to finish in the playoffs regardless of being in Europe.

Newcastle will go on to stay up, and Bolton stayed up, so even though they may have been close ultimately they've managed to stay in the division which is what I've claimed what we'll do. There are some clubs who have had poor seasons whilst in Europe, but to say Europe would be the only factor for that is wrong, some clubs generally just can have poor seasons but there's nothing to suggest we will. As i've said Newcastle are a completely different club to us in a completely different set of circumstances, and if we were under their management I'd be a lot less optimistic about next season but we're in the hands of Michael Laudrup. History says that it'll have an effect, history supports that it's more likely to have a positive effect on the team than a negative and history supports that we'll stay up next season.

I'd love to know the history which shows either the UEFA Cup or Europa League has had a positive effect on a club taking part in either of those competitions. I won't hold my breath on that one.

Newcastle are a completely different club to Swansea absolutely no doubt about that which means that despite having a squad which has seen 32 players play in PL matches and 30 players play in Europa League fixtures. Newcastle will finish this season having played 8 more matches than Swansea and will be lucky to survive relegation.

How many players have Swansea used this season? How many players will they need next season? Swansea like Cardiff are small clubs when compared to Newcastle and will never be able to compete with clubs like that in terms of squad size and quality.

The Europa League has stretched Newcastle and Michael Laudrup or not next season will be a big big test for Swansea.

Depends what you mean by positive effect. A clubs ambitions and success is deemed on league position and European competition. The fact a club plays in Europe has a positive effect in itself, it attracts better players for a start. lukaku for example liked it at WBA and now wants to go to a club that has Europe on the agenda next season, he now comes into our bracket.

Would you rather 12th and 12th or 6th and 15th with a European campaign on the back of it. I'd rather the latter and would certainly see it as more successful than back to back lower mid table finishes.

I see Roath Tragic has come out to play.

But you did say Ipswich were the "Only" PL club to be relegated having qualified for Europe. Birmingham won the Carling Cup and qualified for the Europa League and then got relegated.

At the time Birminghan played the last of the Europa League games they were 15th in the Championship. They then went on to lose only 3 of thier remaining 26 Championship games and finished 4th. It is difficult to argue that taking part in the Europa League had an extremely negative effect on thier league performances. Free of the Europa League they were a completely different prospect in the Championship.

Both Bolton Wanderers and Newcastle have seen thier PL position put under threat by playing in the Europa League, Bolton survived relegation by only 1 point in 2007/08 and Newcastle are under real threat this season. Both those clubs had or have bigger squads than Swansea City.

Time will tell how it affects Swansea next season but history says it will have an effect.

As in being the only club to have been relegated when competing in Europe in the same season, obviously we're not going to emulate what Birmingham did as we are already mathematically safe.

At the time of being 15th, they'd have a lot of games in hand and it showed that they could be successful whilst competing in Europe, looking at their squad at the time I thought they did well to finish in the playoffs regardless of being in Europe.

Newcastle will go on to stay up, and Bolton stayed up, so even though they may have been close ultimately they've managed to stay in the division which is what I've claimed what we'll do. There are some clubs who have had poor seasons whilst in Europe, but to say Europe would be the only factor for that is wrong, some clubs generally just can have poor seasons but there's nothing to suggest we will. As i've said Newcastle are a completely different club to us in a completely different set of circumstances, and if we were under their management I'd be a lot less optimistic about next season but we're in the hands of Michael Laudrup. History says that it'll have an effect, history supports that it's more likely to have a positive effect on the team than a negative and history supports that we'll stay up next season.

I'd love to know the history which shows either the UEFA Cup or Europa League has had a positive effect on a club taking part in either of those competitions. I won't hold my breath on that one.

Newcastle are a completely different club to Swansea absolutely no doubt about that which means that despite having a squad which has seen 32 players play in PL matches and 30 players play in Europa League fixtures. Newcastle will finish this season having played 8 more matches than Swansea and will be lucky to survive relegation.

How many players have Swansea used this season? How many players will they need next season? Swansea like Cardiff are small clubs when compared to Newcastle and will never be able to compete with clubs like that in terms of squad size and quality.

The Europa League has stretched Newcastle and Michael Laudrup or not next season will be a big big test for Swansea.

Depends what you mean by positive effect. A clubs ambitions and success is deemed on league position and European competition. The fact a club plays in Europe has a positive effect in itself, it attracts better players for a start. lukaku for example liked it at WBA and now wants to go to a club that has Europe on the agenda next season, he now comes into our bracket.

Would you rather 12th and 12th or 6th and 15th with a European campaign on the back of it. I'd rather the latter and would certainly see it as more successful than back to back lower mid table finishes.

Europa league in its present guise means very little, not to mid table sides that is for sure, there is a good chance that it will jeopardise the teams place in the Premier League. Chelsea are in the final, does anyone give a toss? I don't think so, I can't even name who won it last year or any year for that matter
You say that Lukaku is now in your bracket, If Lukaku was offered Europa football with you or 10k a week more with WBA, then he would take the money IMO.
If we were in your situation with your resources, I would want us knocked out at the earliest stage, as we were this season in the cups to get us to the objective

I am sure Newcastle would take two 12th place finishes than 6th, a season in europe, and relegated in 18th which
is a very real possibility.

I am sure Newcastle would take two 12th place finishes than 6th, a season in europe, and relegated in 18th which
is a very real possibility.

And in a relegation place right at this moment. Worrying times for Alan Pardew and Chris Houghton.

I am sure Newcastle would take two 12th place finishes than 6th, a season in europe, and relegated in 18th which
is a very real possibility.

That wasn't the option I gave,

I can't think of many teams relegated the year they are in European competition.

I am sure Newcastle would take two 12th place finishes than 6th, a season in europe, and relegated in 18th which
is a very real possibility.

That wasn't the option I gave,

I can't think of many teams relegated the year they are in European competition.

My option is more realistic

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Newcastle to be fair have had a really bad run of injuries. Couple that with Europe means it's been tough for them. PLus the rumours of an Anglo/French divide in the team. Didn't do Fulham any harm the other year though!

I find Swans get more results when they are playing games more often, our last batch of games have come with decent breaks in between. It's an old cliche, but when you lose you want to play as soon as possible to rectify the last result. Did that tonight although a 0-0 v Man City is a great result!

Yes you are in the hands of Laudrup, a bloke who knows european football, I think that will actually count against you, as you may go quite far, further than Newcastle this season for example or brum, 60 odd games then, 20 million spend, in your words, I don't think so, and can't see you spending that anyway. Our owner however has stated that he will spend that,( he can afford it before any financial argument) But according to most jacks we are down already, so don't get the logic. You spend the same as us and can compete on two fronts yet we are down?

I don't see how being able to beat teams in Europe means we'll suddenly deteriorate in the League.

This season it was all the additional games in the cup that were going to result in us getting relegated

I'd love to know the history which shows either the UEFA Cup or Europa League has had a positive effect on a club taking part in either of those competitions. I won't hold my breath on that one.

Newcastle are a completely different club to Swansea absolutely no doubt about that which means that despite having a squad which has seen 32 players play in PL matches and 30 players play in Europa League fixtures. Newcastle will finish this season having played 8 more matches than Swansea and will be lucky to survive relegation.

How many players have Swansea used this season? How many players will they need next season? Swansea like Cardiff are small clubs when compared to Newcastle and will never be able to compete with clubs like that in terms of squad size and quality.

The Europa League has stretched Newcastle and Michael Laudrup or not next season will be a big big test for Swansea.

Plenty of teams have qualified in the UEFA Cup/Europa League and from their have managed to attract better players and establish themselves a side that qualifies for Europe. The likes of Aston Villa, Newcastle, Middlesbrough, Blackburn, Fulham and Everton are recent examples of teams who've qualified for the Europa League and from their managed to repeat the same feat again due to their performances in domestic competitions. This compared to Bolton and Newcastle being in a relegation scrap, with Newcastle still likely to stay up and Bolton staying up for a long time before relegation with just Ipswich going down.

Newcastle United might have used a large amount of players, but that's not an indication of strength in depth. Rob Elliot, Dan Gosling, Steve Harper, James Tavernier, Romain Amalfitano, Shola Ameobi, Sammy Ameobi, Adam Campbell, Haris Vuckic, Nile Ranger, Mehdi Abeid and Paul Dummett are included in the players who've played for them this since, some of them have played a lot of game time but won't be up to the standard of the players in the 22/23 man squad next season. 8 more matches isn't that significant, and if next season we have to play 8 more matches then we'll be able to cope. We've never looked like going down this season, and we're not going to change from a side finishing 8-10th this season to a team struggling for relegation next season. Newcastle didn't either, they're in the position they're in due to poor management and an over reliance on Hatem Ben Arfa, Fabricio Coloccini, Yohann Cabaye, Papiss Cisse and Demba Ba.

Yes, a big test, but not as big a test as our first Premier League season and even this season with the changes we had and we passed both of them with flying colours

The jacks are starting to believe in their own hype now and think theyre untouchable from going down. We will just have to wait and see, I dont think they will be relegated but I dont think we will either

Hypes got nothing to do with it, I merely think we won't be in a relegation battle next season based on our first two Premier League seasons and you agree with me.

Europa league in its present guise means very little, not to mid table sides that is for sure, there is a good chance that it will jeopardise the teams place in the Premier League. Chelsea are in the final, does anyone give a toss? I don't think so, I can't even name who won it last year or any year for that matter
You say that Lukaku is now in your bracket, If Lukaku was offered Europa football with you or 10k a week more with WBA, then he would take the money IMO.
If we were in your situation with your resources, I would want us knocked out at the earliest stage, as we were this season in the cups to get us to the objective

Well Jose Canas turned down West Brom for us, despite being offered more money, and European football would have been one of the reasons.

Romelu Lukaku's wages would be subsided, so he's ultimately be getting the same wage although he is a player who is level headed and wants the best for his career. He's not the only forward we'll be in for though, and we'll get two strikers in who can really push the team on.

The lack of ambition you have then is quite pathetic then really, you're limiting yourself to mid table mediocrity and you'd never be able to push yourselves on as a club and reach the next level of the top flight without European football. How can you ever expect to get anything higher than an 8th placed finish on a regular basis without getting into Europe, competing in Europe, getting the revenue that comes through Europe and attracting players of a higher level which also comes through European football.