Would Swansea fill their proposed 32,000 stadium?

out of interest, what were swansea averaging the season they got promoted to the premier league?

If Cardiff had a 32k stadium right now i think we would sell out every game next season. Over average attendance this season is going to be well over 23k and the 3rd or 4th highest in the division.

Swansea, with an increase to 33k will certainly sell out the big games, for the lower profile games its really difficult to say, all depends where swansea are at the time. As we have seen with the likes of stoke, the bubble can certainly burst (although swansea do play much better football than stoke)

Swansea had about 14/15k average. Only sold out once (us) and quite regularly were at 12k during the season.

Swansea had about 14/15k average. Only sold out once (us) and quite regularly were at 12k during the season.

which proves what promotion to the premier league can do. if the had the extra seats i think their average could have gone up by 10/12k

same could be said for us really. Next season, if we both had a 50k stadium i imagine we would have the higher average, though i doubt there would be much in it.

Paxman.you say Swansea are just outside the elusive 6.albeit 14 points.but only 10 points off the bottom 3 so which is closer

Paxman.you say Swansea are just outside the elusive 6.albeit 14 points.but only 10 points off the bottom 3 so which is closer

Top 6 probably. There are only 4 teams they would have to catch.

To get in the bottom 3, 9 teams would have to catch them.

Swansea had about 14/15k average. Only sold out once (us) and quite regularly were at 12k during the season.

which proves what promotion to the premier league can do. if the had the extra seats i think their average could have gone up by 10/12k

same could be said for us really. Next season, if we both had a 50k stadium i imagine we would have the higher average, though i doubt there would be much in it.

They sold out to forest too chuckles.

But yes no doubt promotion boosts attendances, so do cup finals and play off finals and a decade in the championship. The attendances of both clubs were similar in the first three years in the Prem, in fact the swans had slightly higher attendances.

so they get a free stadium? don't pay any rent, and now "they" are getting a expansion? so who's paying for that? the council as its their stadium or the the club? all seems strange to me, how can the club pay for and built more seats when they don't own it or haven't put a penny in before?

So points wise which is closer!

So points wise which is closer!

Bottom 3, obviously.

Not sure what your point is though. The chances of Swansea finishing in the top 6-7 is far more likely than bottom 3.

Swansea had about 14/15k average. Only sold out once (us) and quite regularly were at 12k during the season.

which proves what promotion to the premier league can do. if the had the extra seats i think their average could have gone up by 10/12k

same could be said for us really. Next season, if we both had a 50k stadium i imagine we would have the higher average, though i doubt there would be much in it.

They sold out to forest too chuckles.

But yes no doubt promotion boosts attendances, so do cup finals and play off finals and a decade in the championship. The attendances of both clubs were similar in the first three years in the Prem, in fact the swans had slightly higher attendances.

I was talking of the league campaign.

New stadia also boost attendances, which would explain for the first three championship years being higher for Swansea.

Swansea had about 14/15k average. Only sold out once (us) and quite regularly were at 12k during the season.

which proves what promotion to the premier league can do. if the had the extra seats i think their average could have gone up by 10/12k

same could be said for us really. Next season, if we both had a 50k stadium i imagine we would have the higher average, though i doubt there would be much in it.

They sold out to forest too chuckles.

But yes no doubt promotion boosts attendances, so do cup finals and play off finals and a decade in the championship. The attendances of both clubs were similar in the first three years in the Prem, in fact the swans had slightly higher attendances.

I was talking of the league campaign.

New stadia also boost attendances, which would explain for the first three championship years being higher for Swansea.

Ninian was more than equipt to fit more in, in fact NP was bigger than the liberty.

The fact we now have the attendances we do tips due to what we have done on the pitch not bricks and mortar.

Yes they'd fill it but most of the tickets would be freebies for the homeless shelters an heroin rehab centres

Swansea had about 14/15k average. Only sold out once (us) and quite regularly were at 12k during the season.

which proves what promotion to the premier league can do. if the had the extra seats i think their average could have gone up by 10/12k

same could be said for us really. Next season, if we both had a 50k stadium i imagine we would have the higher average, though i doubt there would be much in it.

They sold out to forest too chuckles.

But yes no doubt promotion boosts attendances, so do cup finals and play off finals and a decade in the championship. The attendances of both clubs were similar in the first three years in the Prem, in fact the swans had slightly higher attendances.

I was talking of the league campaign.

New stadia also boost attendances, which would explain for the first three championship years being higher for Swansea.

Ninian was more than equipt to fit more in, in fact NP was bigger than the liberty.

The fact we now have the attendances we do tips due to what we have done on the pitch not bricks and mortar.

Fact of the matter is, new stadia boost attendances. New stadia have a nicer match day atmosphere, better facilities and are far more attractive to new/family supporters than Ninian/Vetch ever were.

This is a trend that is set all over the country - new stadium, bigger crowds.

Fact of it is, during the same season, in the same competitions, Cardiff City averaged around 10k more than Swansea, despite it being your promotion season.

Swansea had about 14/15k average. Only sold out once (us) and quite regularly were at 12k during the season.

which proves what promotion to the premier league can do. if the had the extra seats i think their average could have gone up by 10/12k

same could be said for us really. Next season, if we both had a 50k stadium i imagine we would have the higher average, though i doubt there would be much in it.

They sold out to forest too chuckles.

But yes no doubt promotion boosts attendances, so do cup finals and play off finals and a decade in the championship. The attendances of both clubs were similar in the first three years in the Prem, in fact the swans had slightly higher attendances.

I was talking of the league campaign.

New stadia also boost attendances, which would explain for the first three championship years being higher for Swansea.

Ninian was more than equipt to fit more in, in fact NP was bigger than the liberty.

The fact we now have the attendances we do tips due to what we have done on the pitch not bricks and mortar.

Fact of the matter is, new stadia boost attendances. New stadia have a nicer match day atmosphere, better facilities and are far more attractive to new/family supporters than Ninian/Vetch ever were.

This is a trend that is set all over the country - new stadium, bigger crowds.

Fact of it is, during the same season, in the same competitions, Cardiff City averaged around 10k more than Swansea, despite it being your promotion season.

I think we averaged 6,000 more.

I'm not sure what it being their promotion season has to do with anything though, the fact is it was their third season at that level and had a higher attendance than us at that point, of course you can speculate as to why this is but I don't buy it personally.

The fact we had a decade and cup finals to build our fanbase on was the distinct advantage. Roughly 15 years ago we were averaging 4,000, roughly 10 years ago we were averaging 8,000 and 5 years ago averaging 15,000. Fan base grows on success and they have been extremely successful in the last 3 years.

8k average more, actually.

Well, you say success brings crowds - so yes, a promotion season would increase the crowds..

So yes - Swansea promotion season: Swansea 15k : Cardiff 23k.

8k average more, actually.

Well, you say success brings crowds - so yes, a promotion season would increase the crowds..

So yes - Swansea promotion season: Swansea 15k : Cardiff 23k.

People don't have fortune tellers though. A promotion season isnt a success until the promotion happens, on the day it did there were 46,000 swans fans in attendance.

As I've said Cardiff had a decade to build their average attendance, Swansea had 3 seasons.

Had waiting liat in jan yet have only sold out a handfull all season?

Had waiting liat in jan yet have only sold out a handfull all season?

Yes. Still, more than you sold out in the championship.

Yes I particularly liked the part where you said you could be one of the biggest clubs in Europe

These are the types of fans that embarrass our club, please don't judge us on these people. They are a good few slices short of a loaf.

You are one of the only cardiff fans who speaks with sense honesty and realism

Trouble is twaddle mate is, hes a closet Swansea fan.

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Swans plan to increase Liberty capacity to 32,000

After another amazing season which has seen Swansea City win the Capital One Cup and secure a Europa League place they are now planning to expand their stadium.


Swansea City have lodged a formal planning application to take the capacity of the Liberty Stadium to 32,000.

The works proposed would see the extension of the North, South and East stands of the stadium in a phased manner over the next three to five years.

At present the capacity of the Liberty Stadium is just over 20,000 but the proposals submitted to the City and County of Swansea seek to capitalise on the club’s Premier League status.

A club statement said: “The proposals seek to help consolidate this status and remain part of the top flight for many years to come.

“Works that are proposed for the stadium would look to increase its capacity by approximately 11,000 spectators.”

Three phases of development for these works are planned.

Phase one will comprise of the expansion of the East Stand, providing an initial increase in capacity of 3,844 spectators but not including the completion of corner sections.

Phases two and three will be constructed thereafter to take the total increase to around 11,000.

“Clearly it is not possible to construct all stands at once due to operational requirements so the phased approach identified would seek to keep disruption to a minimum,” the club statement said.

“As part of the proposals the club has developed a robust travel plan reflecting the phased approach of the development with a comprehensive park and ride strategy being a key element of it.”

Swansea are ambitious to build on the two successful seasons they have spent in the top flight.

After winning promotion under Brendan Rodgers in May 2011, Swansea finished 11th in their debut Premier League season.

Despite losing Rodgers to Liverpool last summer, Swansea have continued to go from strength to strength under Michael Laudrup.

The Dane led Swansea to League Cup glory in February – the club’s first major piece of silverware in their centenary season – and his team are currently ninth in the Premier League with a European adventure to look forward to next season.

Swans bosses are keen to make sure a new generation of fans inspired by the Premier League and cup-winning deeds of the likes of Ashley Williams and Michu are able to see their heroes in action, ensuring a growing support for the club in years to come.

And it comes on top of a new Landore training ground – primarily for the club’s new youth set-up – and planning application at an advanced stage for another training site for the seniors in Fairwood.

“Once we get it (the application) moving we will go from there, but it all runs parallel to us still being in the Premier and it being right for the club,” club chairman Huw Jenkins said recently.

“If and when the final stage is complete the stadium will be a 32,000 capacity. The first phase will take the figure to 22,000 for next season.

“And then it will go to 27,000 with the first stage of the East Stand, starting near the end of next season and running through the summer.

“We have to make sure we do it right – but it will be led by how well we do on the field.”

The Liberty Stadium is currently the second smallest venue in the Premier League, ahead of Queens Park Rangers’ 18,500 Loftus Road.

But Jenkins has previously cooled suggestions the expansion – funded by the club – will lead towards a buy-out of the council-owned ground, currently run in a three-way partnership with the Ospreys.

He said: “Personally I don’t see any benefit in us owning the stadium.

“The relationship with the council is a good one for the council and the city itself and it is right for us as a club.

“It provides stability as it keeps potential owners you do not want around the place well away, and that is a great thing for us.”

Depends on how they cope with europe and the League next season, money is tight and I can't see them filling the stadium, Man U/ Liverpool/Spurs yes but they could end up with a lot of empty spaces/seats etc

The problem they will have is when their bubble bursts then it will like the osprey crowds ( empty )

Is I true the the jacks never sold out at the vetch when they was in the top flight in the 80's. Although the last time we was in the top tier in the 60's our crowds were very poor.

Is I true the the jacks never sold out at the vetch when they was in the top flight in the 80's. Although the last time we was in the top tier in the 60's our crowds were very poor.

Woody. Pre all seater it was very hard to judge your actual capacity. All I will say is that some games down the old Vetch were total bedlam! You could be queing outside the North Bank when an announcement would be made to say it was full, and you'd have hundreds of fans scarpering round to the East And West Terraces trying to get in. Once those were full they would decide there was actually room In the North Bank and would walk people around the pitch and put them in there! Then of course you would get the attendance figure of 22,000 when the ground was supposed to hold 26,500! Honestly, you couldn't make it up! But yes in general we were very poorly supported (12,000 at home against European champions Aston Villa when we were top of the league shows that). But, yes you were also poorly supported, had great crowds but could never maintain them.

Paxman.you say Swansea are just outside the elusive 6.albeit 14 points.but only 10 points off the bottom 3 so which is closer

Top 6 probably. There are only 4 teams they would have to catch.

To get in the bottom 3, 9 teams would have to catch them.

Swansea on a bit of a 'dip' since Wembley, Paxman and can't remember if they have won a game since. They are safe from danger of relegation but a few alarm bells must be ringing for next season when they have the added pressure of the Europa League

Coincidence or not? I'm not too sure at this stage but there always was often a bit of a curse on the League Cup winners and maybe they are lucky they started the season so well?

Genuinely not 'stirring' with the Jacks but I am curious as to why they aren't functioning as they were

You've finally sell out your ground, and all of a sudden you start talking about selling out the ground.

Well we've sold out every game last season and every game this season, so of course we do need to expand.

We'll expand in phases, as we're a well run club and do well run club things that will minimise the chances of us playing in a ground we can't fill. I believe we'll expand to 24,000, then if we sell that out and continue to stay in the Premier League which I think we will then we'll expand to 28,000. Then there's planning permission granted for 32,000, but something that would only be done if we were to stay in the Premier League for a prolonged period of time and keep selling the ground out which I don't think we will.

I think we'll have crowds of about 25-26,000 and sell out for the big games, look to use community schemes to try and fill the ground and get the kids in for the cheap and allow more than just the 2,000 away fans depending on the team although most teams didn't even take 1,000 to us. I think if we go back to the Championship that we'll have crowds of around 18-22,000 depending on the size of the game, we've got a lot more support now and although granted some people would stop supporting if we went down there'll still be a sizeable amount of new lifelong supporters who get hooked from our time in the Premier League.

Paxman, Roath and anyone pretending to be a Cardiff City fan are just embarrassing really.

You've finally sell out your ground, and all of a sudden you start talking about selling out the ground.

Well we've sold out every game last season and every game this season, so of course we do need to expand.

We'll expand in phases, as we're a well run club and do well run club things that will minimise the chances of us playing in a ground we can't fill. I believe we'll expand to 24,000, then if we sell that out and continue to stay in the Premier League which I think we will then we'll expand to 28,000. Then there's planning permission granted for 32,000, but something that would only be done if we were to stay in the Premier League for a prolonged period of time and keep selling the ground out which I don't think we will.

I think we'll have crowds of about 25-26,000 and sell out for the big games, look to use community schemes to try and fill the ground and get the kids in for the cheap and allow more than just the 2,000 away fans depending on the team although most teams didn't even take 1,000 to us. I think if we go back to the Championship that we'll have crowds of around 18-22,000 depending on the size of the game, we've got a lot more support now and although granted some people would stop supporting if we went down there'll still be a sizeable amount of new lifelong supporters who get hooked from our time in the Premier League.

Paxman, Roath and anyone pretending to be a Cardiff City fan are just embarrassing really.

Your as embarrassing as them if that's what you think

Not often we have numpty jacks on here, congratulations you seem to be one

You've finally sell out your ground, and all of a sudden you start talking about selling out the ground.

Well we've sold out every game last season and every game this season, so of course we do need to expand.

We'll expand in phases, as we're a well run club and do well run club things that will minimise the chances of us playing in a ground we can't fill. I believe we'll expand to 24,000, then if we sell that out and continue to stay in the Premier League which I think we will then we'll expand to 28,000. Then there's planning permission granted for 32,000, but something that would only be done if we were to stay in the Premier League for a prolonged period of time and keep selling the ground out which I don't think we will.

I think we'll have crowds of about 25-26,000 and sell out for the big games, look to use community schemes to try and fill the ground and get the kids in for the cheap and allow more than just the 2,000 away fans depending on the team although most teams didn't even take 1,000 to us. I think if we go back to the Championship that we'll have crowds of around 18-22,000 depending on the size of the game, we've got a lot more support now and although granted some people would stop supporting if we went down there'll still be a sizeable amount of new lifelong supporters who get hooked from our time in the Premier League.

Paxman, Roath and anyone pretending to be a Cardiff City fan are just embarrassing really.

Pretending to be a Cardiff City fan?? Embarrassingg??

Any comments like that from someone who steals his club's identity to masquerase as an anonymous voice on another club's message board with an Avatar of a Scouse 'has been/never really was' who bottled it every time the Bluebirds came to town (he never actually started a game against us )

You couldn't make it up, scfc (who, I suspect, has more than one identity on here)

Your as embarrassing as them if that's what you think

Not often we have numpty jacks on here, congratulations you seem to be one

Why pretend to be a Cardiff fan? It is pathetic

Pretending to be a Cardiff City fan?? Embarrassingg??

Any comments like that from someone who steals his club's identity to masquerase as an anonymous voice on another club's message board with an Avatar of a Scouse 'has been/never really was' who bottled it every time the Bluebirds came to town (he never actually started a game against us )

You couldn't make it up, scfc (who, I suspect, has more than one identity on here)

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I post on here, because there's an awful lot of discussion on here about Swansea City. But I'm not going to pretend to be a Cardiff City fan.

There's nothing wrong with having a club legend in an avatar.

The majority of posters on here are anonymous.

Having a name linked with Swansea City is not stealing the club's identity.

I don't have one than more identity on here.

Pax man talking shit again about "us lot" as he puts it. Jack c**t living in cuckoo land frightened of the club your obsessed with cardiff city your capital club on the rise. If we hasn't got promoted this year then you might have had a chance of filling that, but as we are premier league now your fan base is gonna struggle to grow because if tan the mans plan keeps carrying on going to plan then we will be back as the biggest and best team in Wales and the swans will suffer. Unlucky Roathy boy

So points wise which is closer!

Bottom 3, obviously.

Not sure what your point is though. The chances of Swansea finishing in the top 6-7 is far more likely than bottom 3.

That, quite frankly, is an absolutely absurd statement

The fact that you are closer to the relegation places points wise makes it much more likely that you would end up there you retard

I personally don't think there was any likelihood of either happening this season but to try and claim that means you need your head examined

So points wise which is closer!

Bottom 3, obviously.

Not sure what your point is though. The chances of Swansea finishing in the top 6-7 is far more likely than bottom 3.

That, quite frankly, is an absolutely absurd statement

The fact that you are closer to the relegation places points wise makes it much more likely that you would end up there you retard

I personally don't think there was any likelihood of either happening this season but to try and claim that means you need your head examined