if the club made a statement of apology....

Rain Man is the equivalent of someone walking in through your front door, shaking
off a soaking umbrella, taking off a sopping wet coat, with a burn mark in the top
of his head where he's been struck by lightening....

Then telling you "eeeh, their frying eggs on the pavement out there!"

Taffy, if you we're stood over a zombie having caved his head in with a hammer, I can see you being the guy still swinging while everyone else can see that their dead.

Let him lie, he's been beaten.

ok

Rain Man is the equivalent of someone walking in through your front door, shaking
off a soaking umbrella, taking off a sopping wet coat, with a burn mark in the top
of his head where he's been struck by lightening....

Then telling you "eeeh, their frying eggs on the pavement out there!"

Taffy, if you we're stood over a zombie having caved his head in with a hammer, I can see you being the guy still swinging while everyone else can see that their dead.

Let him lie, he's been beaten.

ok

Yeah sorry about the analogy, I'm playing The Walking Dead on the Xbox and its amazing how many times I'm having to hit them before they will stay down.

Rain Man is the equivalent of someone walking in through your front door, shaking
off a soaking umbrella, taking off a sopping wet coat, with a burn mark in the top
of his head where he's been struck by lightening....

Then telling you "eeeh, their frying eggs on the pavement out there!"

Taffy, if you we're stood over a zombie having caved his head in with a hammer, I can see you being the guy still swinging while everyone else can see that their dead.

Let him lie, he's been beaten.

ok

Yeah sorry about the analogy, I'm playing The Walking Dead on the Xbox and its amazing how many times I'm having to hit them before they will stay down.

Dont you worry, Rain Man will rise from the dead again soon enough

We should all be as one we aint because of a foreign business man if a re brand happened at any other club there would be uproar.

When a new chairman comes in and changes it back he will be an instant hero.

The question is why did Tan change it for what gain or reason because I DONT get the reason behind it ???

We should all be as one we aint because of a foreign business man if a re brand happened at any other club there would be uproar.

When a new chairman comes in and changes it back he will be an instant hero.

The question is why did Tan change it for what gain or reason because I DONT get the reason behind it ???

None of us do really.

But there were defined Tan/Sam camps before the rebrand was ever even mentioned.

So its hardly the rebrand thats caused 'rifts'

.. and the rifts are minimal anyway

We should all be as one we aint because of a foreign business man if a re brand happened at any other club there would be uproar.

When a new chairman comes in and changes it back he will be an instant hero.

The question is why did Tan change it for what gain or reason because I DONT get the reason behind it ???

None of us do really.

But there were defined Tan/Sam camps before the rebrand was ever even mentioned.

So its hardly the rebrand thats caused 'rifts'

.. and the rifts are minimal anyway

In the real world away from the online dramas the rifts are f**k all

I go to football with 2 lads who don't post on here and they go down and just enjoy the football. Don't worry about all the politics at all. Both been going for 20 years or so.

They both know Adam very well and laugh at him too.

We should all be as one we aint because of a foreign business man if a re brand happened at any other club there would be uproar.

When a new chairman comes in and changes it back he will be an instant hero.

The question is why did Tan change it for what gain or reason because I DONT get the reason behind it ???

None of us do really.

But there were defined Tan/Sam camps before the rebrand was ever even mentioned.

So its hardly the rebrand thats caused 'rifts'

.. and the rifts are minimal anyway

In the real world away from the online dramas the rifts are f**k all

I go to football with 2 lads who don't post on here and they go down and just enjoy the football. Don't worry about all the politics at all. Both been going for 20 years or so.

They both know Adam very well and laugh at him too.

doesn't matter what you call it rift or a difference in opinion.The fact is there is a big difference in opinion the people I sit by and I no them quite well now,are all split on there opinion to do with the re brand.

Doesn't matter what anyone says there is a spilt between us fans over the re brand and if you actually talk to people some say yea they are ok others hate it so how can anybody say there is no rift there is and its natural its human to be fair.

Because they didn't realise the backlash about the colour change and promise to reverse back to blue at home for next season. Then the club would sell all remaining season tickets overnight. That would probably make more than what the red shirt has made them in clear profit through the club shop.

My missus won't be happy after buying me Red presents for xmas

We should all be as one we aint because of a foreign business man if a re brand happened at any other club there would be uproar.

When a new chairman comes in and changes it back he will be an instant hero.

The question is why did Tan change it for what gain or reason because I DONT get the reason behind it ???

None of us do really.

But there were defined Tan/Sam camps before the rebrand was ever even mentioned.

So its hardly the rebrand thats caused 'rifts'

.. and the rifts are minimal anyway

In the real world away from the online dramas the rifts are f**k all

I go to football with 2 lads who don't post on here and they go down and just enjoy the football. Don't worry about all the politics at all. Both been going for 20 years or so.

They both know Adam very well and laugh at him too.

doesn't matter what you call it rift or a difference in opinion.The fact is there is a big difference in opinion the people I sit by and I no them quite well now,are all split on there opinion to do with the re brand.

Doesn't matter what anyone says there is a spilt between us fans over the re brand and if you actually talk to people some say yea they are ok others hate it so how can anybody say there is no rift there is and its natural its human to be fair.

I call that a difference of opinion not a rift.

I can disagree with friends on things that doesnt mean we will fall out / have a rift.

I don't care what our attendance figures are.All I hope is that those who have stopped attending matches stay away
and never return,because at least one of them must have been a f%^&ing jinx.

Look at it like this some people where there Red hat and top etc and some people wouldn't put it on if the stuff was free .

So it is evident that there is a blue camp and a red camp call this what you like but theres no getting away from it.

A football club should be as one and most of the time we are one .I sit by and no people in both camps but when you score or need to get behind the team we are one but you sit back and take a look around and talk to people we are split like it or not.

There is no middle ground you are blue or red and people have very strong opinions for both camps its fact.

I do believe we will be blue again one day when Tan goes .Cant wait.

So do you know any friends / siblings who have fallen out and dont speak because one supports the rebrand and one doesnt?

Thats what I call a rift and I dont know anyone who falls into the above scenario

I no people who have very strong opinions but not fallen out about it .Look call it what you like if dont agree about the word rift then call it what you like there is a big difference of opinion we are all passionate about the club and for that reason the difference in opinion does get heated as it does on here.

So call it what you like but it does exist .

I no people who have very strong opinions but not fallen out about it .Look call it what you like if dont agree about the word rift then call it what you like there is a big difference of opinion we are all passionate about the club and for that reason the difference in opinion does get heated as it does on here.

So call it what you like but it does exist .

Yes it exists. In cyber world but not the real world. I think majority of people are just getting on with it and enjoying the football.

I no people who have very strong opinions but not fallen out about it .Look call it what you like if dont agree about the word rift then call it what you like there is a big difference of opinion we are all passionate about the club and for that reason the difference in opinion does get heated as it does on here.

So call it what you like but it does exist .

Wrong. totally and utterly wrong

A rift is a 'break in friendly relations'

How many people have you seen fall out over it?

See, i dont think more than a handful 'welcome' the red and the new badge, and prefer it
to the blue. The odd new fan who likes the idea of a 'new start' I dunno??

But we're all in the ground - meaning we've all accepted it in one way shape or form. Its that
or stop supporting the Club you love. Many campaign for the Blue back, but most of those who
who have 'accepted' it signed the petition. Far far from a rift between fans that is.

Does anyone, i mean ANYONE believe Angry Ant has such a love and overwhelming passion for Cardiff
City and the Bluebird that he has stopped going because of it????.. Dont make me laugh, he has spent
two years slagging everything this Club does/or tries to do. So discount any threads he starts about the
Club. He dont care. WE all do.

So do you know any friends / siblings who have fallen out and dont speak because one supports the rebrand and one doesnt?

Thats what I call a rift and I dont know anyone who falls into the above scenario

I seriously don't, i also don't personally know anyone who has stopped going because of it other than the names you read on here, my old muckas from Aberdare had three bus load at Bolton, same lads same crack no different, what happens in real world and what people think is happening from reading stories on here is totally different.

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Councillo ... 0207536808 that says the year 2000 but it was actually 2001 so do you want me to get evidence of my past season tickets from club and my banning card up..? FFS!!!!

All this proves is you moved to London and met up with some old friends when we played QPR and got arrested for being a pissed up tw@t.

I bet Mike and Pam were so proud of you bringing up your adoption as an excuse for your behaviour. Shocking. I know you like the attention but to use that as en excuse, dearie me.

So do you know any friends / siblings who have fallen out and dont speak because one supports the rebrand and one doesnt?

Thats what I call a rift and I dont know anyone who falls into the above scenario

I seriously don't, i also don't personally know anyone who has stopped going because of it other than the names you read on here, my old muckas from Aberdare had three bus load at Bolton, same lads same crack no different, what happens in real world and what people think is happening from reading stories on here is totally different.

I know one lad in Llanrumney. Top mate of mine. He hasnt threatened to glass
me or anyone else though. Rifts between fans? Do behave people

So you don't know TLG then Gywn ?

So do you know any friends / siblings who have fallen out and dont speak because one supports the rebrand and one doesnt?

Thats what I call a rift and I dont know anyone who falls into the above scenario

I seriously don't, i also don't personally know anyone who has stopped going because of it other than the names you read on here, my old muckas from Aberdare had three bus load at Bolton, same lads same crack no different, what happens in real world and what people think is happening from reading stories on here is totally different.

Spot on Gwyn. Its magnified hugely on here because Annis is a larger than life charachter who has made his feelings known and uses his own forum to channel his anger over the rebrand, thats fair enough its his forum. Yourself and the councillor hace had a long running spat over it, and TLG, makes his feelings known at any given opportunity and he is very articulate and good with a keyboard but thats all it is. In short a number of larger than life charachters / personnas but in the grand scheme of tens of thousands of City fans its a tiny ratio.

I know people who have stopped going but they had stopped going / didnt go much last season as well.

So do you know any friends / siblings who have fallen out and dont speak because one supports the rebrand and one doesnt?

Thats what I call a rift and I dont know anyone who falls into the above scenario

I seriously don't, i also don't personally know anyone who has stopped going because of it other than the names you read on here, my old muckas from Aberdare had three bus load at Bolton, same lads same crack no different, what happens in real world and what people think is happening from reading stories on here is totally different.

Spot on Gwyn. Its magnified hugely on here because Annis is a larger than life charachter who has made his feelings known and uses his own forum to channel his anger over the rebrand, thats fair enough its his forum. Yourself and the councillor hace had a long running spat over it, and TLG, makes his feelings known at any given opportunity and he is very articulate and good with a keyboard but thats all it is. In short a number of larger than life charachters / personnas but in the grand scheme of tens of thousands of City fans its a tiny ratio.

I know people who have stopped going but they had stopped going / didnt go much last season as well.

How can he be spot on when he stated that he doesn't know anyone who has refused to go because of the rebrand when he knowsTLG!!! That's another lie of his!!!

So do you know any friends / siblings who have fallen out and dont speak because one supports the rebrand and one doesnt?

Thats what I call a rift and I dont know anyone who falls into the above scenario

I seriously don't, i also don't personally know anyone who has stopped going because of it other than the names you read on here, my old muckas from Aberdare had three bus load at Bolton, same lads same crack no different, what happens in real world and what people think is happening from reading stories on here is totally different.

Spot on Gwyn. Its magnified hugely on here because Annis is a larger than life charachter who has made his feelings known and uses his own forum to channel his anger over the rebrand, thats fair enough its his forum. Yourself and the councillor hace had a long running spat over it, and TLG, makes his feelings known at any given opportunity and he is very articulate and good with a keyboard but thats all it is. In short a number of larger than life charachters / personnas but in the grand scheme of tens of thousands of City fans its a tiny ratio.

I know people who have stopped going but they had stopped going / didnt go much last season as well.

How can he be spot on when he stated that he doesn't know anyone who has refused to go because of the rebrand when he knowsTLG!!! That's another lie of his!!!

Did you not read the "Other than the names you read in here" bit? Or did you conveniently ignore it.

I would suggest TLG comes under that bracket and I dont care what TLG says he will be full of regret he is missing this season. You dont have Cardiff City in your blood like he does and not miss the football, making a stand or not.

You on the other hand you cant miss something you never really had in the first place.

I think it is fair to say that lots of people dont mind about the Red kit but lots of people do care and would if given a choice change back to blue.

From my point of view I still have my season tickets and I still go to every home game but it is fair to say I am still passionate about my club but not as passionate as before when we were Blue.

Whats happening at the club on the pitch is fantastic but for me the club have us over a barrel what I mean is if you dont like or agree with the colour change then most fans will still go to games because CCFC is like a drug its addictive and when you have been going for years how can you just stop ?

For me if we were in this position in Blue it would be perfect the Red kit does tarnish it a lot for me and I am still very angry that he changed the kit and its disrespectful as a supporting fan.

The anger will never go away for me but we must somehow learn to respect each other difference of opinion regarding the colour of the kit.But if Tan had left things alone like all the other chairman did for the last 100 years then we wouldnt be talking about this now would we.

Tan did it and split the fans that for me is the only thing so far he has achieved at City so far.

The big question for me is WHY did he do it ,lots said I will go with it for the money so where is the money of the pitch what has he done where is the investment why havent Langston been payed etc.So we came back to WHY did he re brand us and how have we benefited from it .The answer is we havent benefited so why did he change us ?Thats what I dont get

We as fans have to be together but how? it was always going to slit opinion that to me is all we have achieved from the re brand

So you don't know TLG then Gywn ?

You really are slow aren't you, read my post, other than those who's names are on the boards, now surely TLG falls into that category, in all honesty though, of the few others most are anonymous and faceless posters.And in truth, I only became aware of TLG in recent years because of his internet involvement, and the later on putting his name to his face at a few meetings etc.

Look at it like this some people where there Red hat and top etc and some people wouldn't put it on if the stuff was free .

So it is evident that there is a blue camp and a red camp call this what you like but theres no getting away from it.

A football club should be as one and most of the time we are one .I sit by and no people in both camps but when you score or need to get behind the team we are one but you sit back and take a look around and talk to people we are split like it or not.

There is no middle ground you are blue or red and people have very strong opinions for both camps its fact.

I do believe we will be blue again one day when Tan goes .Cant wait.

again, spot on brickyblue
couldnt have said it any better

So do you know any friends / siblings who have fallen out and dont speak because one supports the rebrand and one doesnt?

Thats what I call a rift and I dont know anyone who falls into the above scenario

I seriously don't, i also don't personally know anyone who has stopped going because of it other than the names you read on here, my old muckas from Aberdare had three bus load at Bolton, same lads same crack no different, what happens in real world and what people think is happening from reading stories on here is totally different.

Spot on Gwyn. Its magnified hugely on here because Annis is a larger than life charachter who has made his feelings known and uses his own forum to channel his anger over the rebrand, thats fair enough its his forum. Yourself and the councillor hace had a long running spat over it, and TLG, makes his feelings known at any given opportunity and he is very articulate and good with a keyboard but thats all it is. In short a number of larger than life charachters / personnas but in the grand scheme of tens of thousands of City fans its a tiny ratio.

I know people who have stopped going but they had stopped going / didnt go much last season as well.

Pretty much sums it up. Quiet Gav told me on Facebook the other day that he's fallen out with his old man about it - but he's not playing with a full deck anyway, so he doesn't count

So you don't know TLG then Gywn ?

You really are slow aren't you, read my post, other than those who's names are on the boards, now surely TLG falls into that category, in all honesty though, of the few others most are anonymous and faceless posters.And in truth, I only became aware of TLG in recent years because of his internet involvement, and the later on putting his name to his face at a few meetings etc.

So do you know TLG or not FFS!!!!

So you don't know TLG then Gywn ?

You really are slow aren't you, read my post, other than those who's names are on the boards, now surely TLG falls into that category, in all honesty though, of the few others most are anonymous and faceless posters.And in truth, I only became aware of TLG in recent years because of his internet involvement, and the later on putting his name to his face at a few meetings etc.

So do you know TLG or not FFS!!!!

You don't understand do you, but you must be the only one, I will write it slowly. I DO KNOW TLG, HE IS ONE OF THE ONES I REFER TO AS ON HERE. I DO KNOW HIM I HAVE MET HIM AND HE IS ONE OF THE NAMES ON HERE, WHAT I SAID AND YOU ARE THE ONLY ONE THAT CAN'T SEE IT IS THAT OTHER THAN THOSE WHO'S NAMES ARE ON HERE, I HAVEN'T COME ACROSS OR KNOW ANYONE WHO HAS STOPPED GOING BECAUSE OF THE REBRAND, IT'S QUITE EASY AND BASIC.

I think you may be making yourself look a bit stupid regarding this point, you must be the only one missing what I was getting at.

So you don't know TLG then Gywn ?

You really are slow aren't you, read my post, other than those who's names are on the boards, now surely TLG falls into that category, in all honesty though, of the few others most are anonymous and faceless posters.And in truth, I only became aware of TLG in recent years because of his internet involvement, and the later on putting his name to his face at a few meetings etc.

So do you know TLG or not FFS!!!!

You don't understand do you, but you must be the only one, I will write it slowly. I DO KNOW TLG, HE IS ONE OF THE ONES I REFER TO AS ON HERE. I DO KNOW HIM I HAVE MET HIM AND HE IS ONE OF THE NAMES ON HERE, WHAT I SAID AND YOU ARE THE ONLY ONE THAT CAN'T SEE IT IS THAT OTHER THAN THOSE WHO'S NAMES ARE ON HERE, I HAVEN'T COME ACROSS OR KNOW ANYONE WHO HAS STOPPED GOING BECAUSE OF THE REBRAND, IT'S QUITE EASY AND BASIC.

I think you may be making yourself look a bit stupid regarding this point, you must be the only one missing what I was getting at.

Gwyn you can write whatever you want but you are nothing but a lair. Time and time again you've been found out and I'm, glad others are now starting to realise not to believe a single word that comes out of your mouth.

So do you know any friends / siblings who have fallen out and dont speak because one supports the rebrand and one doesnt?

Thats what I call a rift and I dont know anyone who falls into the above scenario

I seriously don't, i also don't personally know anyone who has stopped going because of it other than the names you read on here, my old muckas from Aberdare had three bus load at Bolton, same lads same crack no different, what happens in real world and what people think is happening from reading stories on here is totally different.

Spot on Gwyn. Its magnified hugely on here because Annis is a larger than life charachter who has made his feelings known and uses his own forum to channel his anger over the rebrand, thats fair enough its his forum. Yourself and the councillor hace had a long running spat over it, and TLG, makes his feelings known at any given opportunity and he is very articulate and good with a keyboard but thats all it is. In short a number of larger than life charachters / personnas but in the grand scheme of tens of thousands of City fans its a tiny ratio.

I know people who have stopped going but they had stopped going / didnt go much last season as well.

How can he be spot on when he stated that he doesn't know anyone who has refused to go because of the rebrand when he knowsTLG!!! That's another lie of his!!!

Did you not read the "Other than the names you read in here" bit? Or did you conveniently ignore it.

I would suggest TLG comes under that bracket and I dont care what TLG says he will be full of regret he is missing this season. You dont have Cardiff City in your blood like he does and not miss the football, making a stand or not.

You on the other hand you cant miss something you never really had in the first place.

It's got to be a real kick in the guts for the likes of TLG, missing the best season ever.