what are proples thoughts on the edl?

Firstly 1980's knuckle head? I am 23 as posted earlier so your not reading this properly are you.

As above I have stated I have no problem what so ever with Muslims I play cricket with some who are good as gold, I do have a problem with extremists who preach hate in our country while on benefits, people who burn poppy's, stand in the streets and abuse our solders who have fought for this country. While they may all not be extremists who will walk round blowing people up, they are the ones changing people's views on Islam, going to Mosques and preaching hate week in week out, the under cover bbc programme the other year showed how many of them are doing it Thousands. In Cardiff there has been 8-9 arrests in the last 2-3 years does that not worry you?

They have been in town on marches only last year preaching there hate, where we the left wingers who want equality for all with them? Do they not know the rules for woman and children they posses? The way they slaughter animals for Halal meat??

All i have said throughout the whole post is that I want Muslims extemeists out of this country, as well as Burkas banned and then for all races and religions to interact with other so how the hell am I a knuklehead?

Becuase I speak what I find, Im not scared to not say f**k all.

Those 52 people? How many lifes does that effect an average of 100 per person 5200. What about the honor killings that have happened? Loads over the years are they included? HOW MANY MORE WOULD HAVE DIED IF THE POLICE HAD NOT ARRESTED THEM??? Thousands in Cardiff shopping centre for a start!

I am 26 and wasn't around in the 80's to experience the point I made first hand either. I read it in a book, you might want to try reading a book every now and again to learn a little more about the history of our country , you might not sound like such a dumb ass then.

Pretty much all the negative behaviours you have mentioned, are mirrored by the EDL. Pretty much every single one of them and I find it hilarious that you are bringing a BBC documentary up as evidence.

The BBC are one of the largest government controlled propaganda machines on the planet, ever seen the hooligans documentary about Cardiff City? Remember how they portrayed us in that?

Don't ever believe anything you see in a BBC produced documentary.

You have missed half my points? 52 Killed how many friends and family effected??

How many honor killings, acid attacks have there been over the years , hundreds.

And the main one, Do you watch the news? How many times the the last few years have plots been found out and stopped? at least 4-5 including one in Cardiff, and you think their not a threat?

Wake up

You have missed half my points? 52 Killed how many friends and family effected??

How many honor killings, acid attacks have there been over the years , hundreds.

And the main one, Do you watch the news? How many times the the last few years have plots been found out and stopped? at least 4-5 including one in Cardiff, and you think their not a threat?

Wake up

1. How many friends and families have been affected by killings commited by Christians or Catholics in this country? Thousands more than that affected by Muslim extremist killings.

2. Got any facts to back that up? I don't believe it because the media would be all over this if it actually happened and I can hardly remember any cases of this nature, certainly not hundreads...

3. There is a massive difference between plotting and doing, many plot, but few go the whole way. This is true in all walks of life. it's wrong either way and they should be banged up / deported, but I can assure you the media sensationalise incidents like this to instill fear in people, it's been happening ever since communication channels were established.

I also worked with the guy in Cardiff who was arrested for plotting, I used to be his manager, his name was Awais Choudhary. Totally irrelevant to this discussion, but thought I'd bring it up anyway.

You have missed half my points? 52 Killed how many friends and family effected??

How many honor killings, acid attacks have there been over the years , hundreds.

And the main one, Do you watch the news? How many times the the last few years have plots been found out and stopped? at least 4-5 including one in Cardiff, and you think their not a threat?

Wake up

1. How many friends and families have been affected by killings commited by Christians or Catholics in this country? Thousands more than that affected by Muslim extremist killings.

2. Got any facts to back that up? I don't believe it because the media would be all over this if it actually happened and I can hardly remember any cases of this nature, certainly not hundreads...

3. There is a massive difference between plotting and doing, many plot, but few go the whole way. This is true in all walks of life. it's wrong either way and they should be banged up / deported, but I can assure you the media sensationalise incidents like this to instill fear in people, it's been happening ever since communication channels were established.

I also worked with the guy in Cardiff who was arrested for plotting, I used to be his manager, his name was Awais Choudhary. Totally irrelevant to this discussion, but thought I'd bring it up anyway.

You do realise that effectively makes you a radical extremist muslim terrorist!

Pathetic for simpiliy saying I wasnt extremists out of our country??? f**k me you must be one of the left wing nuts jobs, take a look in the mirror mate, maybe if it happened to someone you knew or closer to home you might wake up and smell the coffee, also as my progamme from the bbc is not good enough for you, what is your eidence that all the edl are nazi racist thugs?
BBC?
PAPERS?
LEFT WING WEB SITES?

And it didnt worry you that someone you knew and worked with was arrest for that? type in uk honor killings and loads comes up I cant be assed coping them to her, you will only say they have been made up or something anyway

So I am in the EDL no wait I am the LEADER becuase I think in 20-30 years time we will live under Sharias law, What the hell are you on about? Is it not ok to think this? Am I a nazi becuase I think in 20-30 years that our country will change? Are we not aloud an opinon on saying this? Or are you one of these left wing nut jobs where if I mention anything to do with race or religion I am instantly a nazi skinhead with Dr Martins ye? Not just a concerned person who is not blinded by left wing wankers and the papers

Right now I think you're an idiot. A really funny idiot, but an idiot all the same.

If you can answer my two questions, then I sincerely promise to take you a little more seriously.

1. Only 4.6% of the UK's population is Islamic and I would guess that around 4.59% of that figure consists of really decent people, just like us that have chosen Islam as their way of life. How do you think that within just 30 years, our country will descend into a totalitarian Islamic ruled Sharia state?

2. As tragic as the London bombings of 2005 were, the reality, is that in the entire history of the United Kingdom Muslim extremists have only killed 52 people. That is such a tiny number of Muslim extremists that have committed a terrorist act and equally such a small number of people to have lost their lives to a terrorist act. Why do you consider Muslims such a threat to our country?

Don't ever forget that in the 1980's, knuckleheads like you actually managed to convince the British government into considering putting aids sufferers into concentration camps, in the name of protecting the British people. Looking back 30 years later, we can all see how ridiculous an idea that was, but it happened. I predict that in 30 years time instead of being governed by a Sharia law state, you'll also look back and realise how much of a donut you were in your twenties.

I really can't wait for your response, I'm genuinely looking forward to it and I really hope you can back up your claims and change my opinions.

How many young Muslim males hit the streets and protest against Radical Islamic loonys screaming for
Sharia law??

Give me one example. JUST ONE. Where Anjem Choudary and his nut jobs were run out of town by
fellow "British loving" Muslims. Much as hundreds of British, 'white' UAF people 'run' the EDL out of town

If you can't, PLEASE give me a reasonable explanation as to why!!

Maybe people just don't care that much, because MAYBE they aren't that big a threat to us.

The numbers don't lie...

Only 52 people have been killed in the last 60 million years on British soil at the hands of Islamic Extremists, that is a FACT.

There are 2.6 million Muslims currently living in the UK and in the last 60 million years only 4 of them have been "extreme" to the point of wanting to take the lives of others. Only 4, that is a FACT.

And yet forget about real threats to the British people like poverty, a crippled economy, rising crime figures, Global Warming or our corrupt government that continually pump propaganda down our throats to CONTROL STUPID PEOPLE LIKE YOU. Ohh no, those big, scary Muslim extremists will be death of this country and we all need to stand up and fight against them.

For a grown man you are pathetic mate. Open your eyes and take a look around.

Couldn't have put it better myself, completely agree with your post.

You have missed half my points? 52 Killed how many friends and family effected??

How many honor killings, acid attacks have there been over the years , hundreds.

And the main one, Do you watch the news? How many times the the last few years have plots been found out and stopped? at least 4-5 including one in Cardiff, and you think their not a threat?

Wake up

1. How many friends and families have been affected by killings commited by Christians or Catholics in this country? Thousands more than that affected by Muslim extremist killings.

2. Got any facts to back that up? I don't believe it because the media would be all over this if it actually happened and I can hardly remember any cases of this nature, certainly not hundreads...

3. There is a massive difference between plotting and doing, many plot, but few go the whole way. This is true in all walks of life. it's wrong either way and they should be banged up / deported, but I can assure you the media sensationalise incidents like this to instill fear in people, it's been happening ever since communication channels were established.

I also worked with the guy in Cardiff who was arrested for plotting, I used to be his manager, his name was Awais Choudhary. Totally irrelevant to this discussion, but thought I'd bring it up anyway.

You do realise that effectively makes you a radical extremist muslim terrorist!

Mate it was a massive shock when I found out. The kid was really nice, quiet but a genuinely nice kid and loved Man United.

You literally would NEVER have known, I did feel partly responsible for what happened because I gave him 6 weeks unpaid "Study Leave" to concentrate on his degree, that was the last I ever heard of him and shortly after he was knicked!

The funny thing is, I was new in the job when I was his manager and swamped with work, so I could never get round to completing all the paperwork to grant his study leave. He'd come in every shift and nag me to do it and it took me around 3 weeks to get around to it, he could've done anything to me in that time as payback, but he always used to nag politely! Funny how things turn out!

Pathetic for simpiliy saying I wasnt extremists out of our country??? f**k me you must be one of the left wing nuts jobs, take a look in the mirror mate, maybe if it happened to someone you knew or closer to home you might wake up and smell the coffee, also as my progamme from the bbc is not good enough for you, what is your eidence that all the edl are nazi racist thugs?
BBC?
PAPERS?
LEFT WING WEB SITES?

Mate, I love your passion, but you've got to open your eyes and realise how stupid you sound. This has nothing to do with politics, I really don't care about politics and have never voted because it doesn't make a difference.

Forget about a threat from Muslim extremists in 30 years time, because in 30 years time we will have almost run out of all fossil fuels on earth. Then the shit will really hit the fan, because every super power will want a piece of what's left and I doubt they will all be as civil to each other then, as they are now.

Forget about fighting countries like Iraq, Iran and Afghanistan for oil, try fighting countries like America, China and Russia.

That is our real threat in 30 years time, not a predominantly peaceful ethnic minority group.

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You have missed half my points? 52 Killed how many friends and family effected??

How many honor killings, acid attacks have there been over the years , hundreds.

And the main one, Do you watch the news? How many times the the last few years have plots been found out and stopped? at least 4-5 including one in Cardiff, and you think their not a threat?

Wake up

1. How many friends and families have been affected by killings commited by Christians or Catholics in this country? Thousands more than that affected by Muslim extremist killings.

2. Got any facts to back that up? I don't believe it because the media would be all over this if it actually happened and I can hardly remember any cases of this nature, certainly not hundreads...

3. There is a massive difference between plotting and doing, many plot, but few go the whole way. This is true in all walks of life. it's wrong either way and they should be banged up / deported, but I can assure you the media sensationalise incidents like this to instill fear in people, it's been happening ever since communication channels were established.

I also worked with the guy in Cardiff who was arrested for plotting, I used to be his manager, his name was Awais Choudhary. Totally irrelevant to this discussion, but thought I'd bring it up anyway.

You do realise that effectively makes you a radical extremist muslim terrorist!

Mate it was a massive shock when I found out. The kid was really nice, quiet but a genuinely nice kid and loved Man United.

You literally would NEVER have known, I did feel partly responsible for what happened because I gave him 6 weeks unpaid "Study Leave" to concentrate on his degree, that was the last I ever heard of him and shortly after he was knicked!

The funny thing is, I was new in the job when I was his manager and swamped with work, so I could never get round to completing all the paperwork to grant his study leave. He'd come in every shift and nag me to do it and it took me around 3 weeks to get around to it, he could've done anything to me in that time as payback, but he always used to nag politely! Funny how things turn out!

mau utd a scum fan who lives in scumrdiff and a muslim extremeist in these once great shores, my grandfather will be turning in his grave.bring back hanging for these traitors to make the only deterrent they'd understand and save taxpayers money keeping them in cushty BRITISH!!! nicks. no surrender

You have missed half my points? 52 Killed how many friends and family effected??

How many honor killings, acid attacks have there been over the years , hundreds.

And the main one, Do you watch the news? How many times the the last few years have plots been found out and stopped? at least 4-5 including one in Cardiff, and you think their not a threat?

Wake up

1. How many friends and families have been affected by killings commited by Christians or Catholics in this country? Thousands more than that affected by Muslim extremist killings.

2. Got any facts to back that up? I don't believe it because the media would be all over this if it actually happened and I can hardly remember any cases of this nature, certainly not hundreads...

3. There is a massive difference between plotting and doing, many plot, but few go the whole way. This is true in all walks of life. it's wrong either way and they should be banged up / deported, but I can assure you the media sensationalise incidents like this to instill fear in people, it's been happening ever since communication channels were established.

I also worked with the guy in Cardiff who was arrested for plotting, I used to be his manager, his name was Awais Choudhary. Totally irrelevant to this discussion, but thought I'd bring it up anyway.

You do realise that effectively makes you a radical extremist muslim terrorist!

Mate it was a massive shock when I found out. The kid was really nice, quiet but a genuinely nice kid and loved Man United.

You literally would NEVER have known, I did feel partly responsible for what happened because I gave him 6 weeks unpaid "Study Leave" to concentrate on his degree, that was the last I ever heard of him and shortly after he was knicked!

The funny thing is, I was new in the job when I was his manager and swamped with work, so I could never get round to completing all the paperwork to grant his study leave. He'd come in every shift and nag me to do it and it took me around 3 weeks to get around to it, he could've done anything to me in that time as payback, but he always used to nag politely! Funny how things turn out!

mau utd a scum fan who lives in scumrdiff and a muslim extremeist in these once great shores, my grandfather will be turning in his grave.bring back hanging for these traitors to make the only deterrent they'd understand and save taxpayers money keeping them in cushty BRITISH!!! nicks. no surrender

You're doing a brilliant job of endorsing the EDL mate. Well done.

What is the English Defence League?



The English Defence League (EDL) is a racist organisation whose main activity is street demonstrations against the Muslim community. Although it claims only to oppose Islamic extremism it targets the entire Muslim community and its actions deliberately seek to whip up tensions and violence between Muslim and non-Muslim communities.

Many of its protests have resulted in violence and it taps into wider anti-Muslim feeling. What started as a loose network of football hooligans is developing into a new social movement.

The EDL emerged in Luton in March 2009 in the aftermath of a protest by a handful of Islamist extremists at the homecoming parade of the Royal Anglian Regiment through the town.

It now has thousands of supporters across the country. What began as a loose alliance of people around various social networking websites is increasingly turning into an organisation with a national, regional and local structure.

With the demise in the fortunes of the British National Party the EDL is now the largest rightwing threat in the UK today, with over 79,000 supporters on Facebook and the ability to bring anywhere from 100 to 3,000 people out onto the streets.
Leadership & Structure

Leadership

The key figure in the group is “Tommy Robinson”, whose real name Stephen Yaxley-Lennon, a former British National Party (BNP) member. Lennon has recently been charged with assaulting a police officer.

Number two in the EDL is Kevin Carroll, Yaxley-Lennon’s cousin. He signed the nomination papers for Robert Sherratt, a BNP candidate in Luton in 2007 who was also an activist in the tiny nazi group, the November 9th Society.

The organisation is supported by Alan Lake from North London who has links to Christian evangelical groups in Britain and the USA and sees the EDL as both a “street army” and a bridgehead towards the creation of a larger anti-Islamic movement.

When Lake addressed an anti-Islam conference organised by the Sweden Democrats last year he spoke of a battle on many fronts, the EDL being just one. He identified a need for “people that are ready to go out in the street” and boasted that he and his friends had already begun to build alliances with “football supporters”. “We are catching a baby at the start of a gestation,” Lake later told The Guardian. “We have a problem with numbers. We have an army of bloggers [on the far right] but that’s not going to get things done.

“Football fans are a potential source of support. They are a hoi polloi that gets off their backsides and travels to a city and they are available before and after matches.” Lake operates a series of anti-Islamic websites, of which the EDL forms just a part. He is in touch with Christian evangelical groups, both here and in the US, has had discussions with middle-ranking officers in the UK Independence Party and is now suggesting that Britain needs a Tea Party-type organisation.

Structure

The EDL is run by 15 key people across the country who co-ordinate activists via email and social networking sites, such as Facebook. It uses social media in a way that no other far-right organisation does in the UK. It is because its method of organising is different from traditional models that the police and other statutory bodies have been slow in understanding its threat and potential.

It claims to have dozens of “divisions” around the country. Over the past few months the EDL has begun to organise meetings and events on a regional basis. National mobilisations are coordinated centrally.

Ideology

While the EDL brand is known for its public opposition to Islamic extremism it lacks a coherent message or vision. Even within the organisation it means different things to different people. The EDL serves as an umbrella for a range of other groups and activists. The leadership is at pains to reject any charge of racism and fascism, regularly claiming that fascists are violently removed from demonstrations, but the reality on the ground is quite different.

The EDL is quick to highlight the involvement of black and Asian supporters. For example, Guramit Singh, from Leicester, is a leading EDL member and is often put up as the group’s spokesman to deny the organisation is racist, but he and the other non-white activists are few and far between. At the EDL protest in Bradford there were fewer than ten non-white people in an EDL crowd of over 800.


EDL demonstrations are always accompanied by anti-Muslim chanting and signs. More general racist chants are heard and there have been examples of Hindus and Sikhs being abused and even attacked by EDL supporters.

EDL protests have been frequented by members and former members of the BNP, the National Front, the Racial Volunteer Force, the British People’s Party, Blood and Honour and Combat 18. As the fortuned of the BNP have waned, a growing number of that party’s activists, including organisers, have been turning up at EDL events. While the EDL leadership tries publicly to distance itself from these people there is no attempt to stop the racist chanting or the general anti-Muslim abuse.

Football hooligan links

The EDL is largely organised through what remains of the football hooligan network, and current and former football hooligans make up at least half of any EDL demonstration. Rival football gangs, who would normally fight one another at every opportunity, have come together for EDL events. For example, at a recent EDL protest in Leicester hooligans from local rivals Watford and Luton travelled up on a coach together. Wolves, West Brom and Aston Villa – three West Midlands clubs whose hooligan fans hate one another – join up at EDL events, as have Bradford and Leeds hooligans.

There have, however, still been clashes between different hooligan gangs at EDL events, and hooligan gangs in some cities where EDL protests have taken place have not taken kindly to the arrival of hooligans from other areas.

Violence

With so many supporters from football hooligan backgrounds it isn’t surprising that EDL demonstrations and violence go hand in hand.

Since its inception the EDL has staged over thirty protests across the country at which there have been violent clashes with both anti-fascist protesters and the police, leading to several hundred arrests in total. More than £5 million of taxpayers’ money has been spent on policing these demonstrations. The violence directed at the police has grown in recent protests, for example in Leicester four police officers were put in hospital after they came under attack from EDL supporters armed with bottles, smoke grenades and even firecrackers, which were used to scare police horses.



In addition there is unquantifiable damage to businesses where the EDL holds protests, both physical damage to premises, fixtures and stock and loss of profits where businesses have to close or customers are put off coming into town. Such losses may not be covered by insurance, or insurance premiums may rise as a result.

The EDL focuses its protests on towns with large ethnic or more particularly large Muslim communities such as Bradford, Oldham, Leicester and Preston. After the EDL protest finished in Leicester hundreds of the participants went on the rampage in an attempt to attack the local Muslim community.

On some occasions mosques are daubed or damaged, or bacon or pig’s heads are placed on the premises.

The EDL is increasingly staging spontaneous “flash” protests to get around liaising with police over marches, which could be banned. In Oldham on the 2010 anniversary of 9/11, 120 EDL supporters at a “flash” protest clashed with police leading to eight arrests.

Individual EDL activists are staging increasingly provocative protests. In Gateshead six EDL supporters were arrested for inciting racial hatred after burning the Koran and posting a video of the event on YouTube, leading to clashes with the police as EDL supporters gathered outside the local police station. There have been other EDL activities in Blackburn, Wolverhampton, Stockport, Portsmouth, Nuneaton and Kingston – to name but a few.

International links

The EDL leadership is increasingly trying to establish links with like-minded groups in Europe and North America. Its international links include:

Sweden EDL guru Alan Lake addressed a Sweden Democrat conference in September 2009 at which proclaimed that it was necessary to build an anti-Jihad movement. He spoke of the need for “people that are ready to go out in the street” and boasted that he and his friends had already begun to build alliances with “football supporters”.
Germany A hundred people rallied at the Dutch Embassy in Berlin to support the Dutch Islamophobic politician Geert Wilders. The Islamphobic Pax Europa Citizens’ Movement and the stridently anti-Muslim and leftist “Politically Incorrect” blog run by Stefan Herre, a teacher from Cologne, organised the event, which was also attended by Portsmouth members of the EDL.

France EDL leaders travelled to France in early July to meet representatives of the Identity Bloc and Vérité, Valeurs et Democratie (Truth, Values and Democracy). Identity, which has fewer than 1,000 members, is not anti-Jewish and even has contacts with some hardline members of the right-wing, ultra-nationalist Jewish Defence League. VVD is a website launched in December 2009 which is neo-conservative, anti-Islam and claims to be part of an “anti-Sharia Alliance”. The EDL visit came shortly before an attempt to launch a French counterpart of the EDL in early September. There is the League 732 and the French Defence League (LDF). The LDF wants to work with the JDL, in contrast to League 732. However, the LDF is a curious mix of Identity followers, hooligans and autonomous nationalists who are not particularly willing to work with Jews.

Netherlands The EDL linked up with the Dutch Defence League to hold a rally in Amsterdam on 30 September, in support of the anti-Islam politician Geert Wilders. He distanced himself from the EDL and the rally was an embarrassing flop.

United States Eight EDL supporters travelled to New York to attend a protest against the planned Islamic centre two blocks from Ground Zero on the anniversary of 9/11. However Tommy Robinson was refused entry to the USA. The event was organised by Stop Islamization Of America and was addressed by the former US Ambassador to the United Nations John Bolton, Geert Wilders and the New York Senate candidate Gary Berntsen. The organisers of the event later publicly defended the EDL despite its link to violence, football hooliganism and racism.

There are also several Facebook groups that are spin-offs from the EDL. They include the Norwegian Defence League, Russian Defence League, Belgium Defence League, Australian Defence League, United States Defence League, Serbian Defence League, Norsk Defence League, American Defense League, Italian Defence League/Casuals United, Swedish Defence League, German Defence League, Cyprus Defence League, Chinese Defence League, Canadian Defence League, Lebanese Defence League, Nigerian Defence League, Indian Defence League, French Defence League, Indonesian Defence League and the Ulster Defence League.

The EDL poses the biggest threat to community cohesion in Britain today of any organisation. Its activities are designed to increase tensions in communities with a large Muslim population and especially in areas that have had problems in the past.

By demonstrating in these areas they embolden local racists and seek a violent reaction from local Muslim youths, which in turn will lead to a new cycle of violence.

It should be remembered that the race riots in Oldham and Bradford in 2001 were sparked by small groups of white racists seeking trouble. In Oldham it was a group of 12 football hooligans, many linked to the nazi terror group Combat 18, who ran down a predominantly Asian street attacking people and their property.

In Bradford it was a small group of Combat 18 and National Front supporters who attempted to hold a protest in the city centre despite being banned by the Home Secretary.

By the very nature of how the EDL organises and its preferred type of confrontational protests, the group will be a magnet for more extremist, violent and politically motivated groups and individuals.

Just as importantly, however, the EDL taps into and increases the general anti-Muslim feeeling in society and any publicity and trouble resulting from EDL protests simply confirm, in the minds of many, the incompatibility of Muslims with life in a Western democracy.

To dismiss the EDL simply as a bunch of racist thugs or a street version of the BNP underestimates both its significance and its danger. It is a threat that is potentially far more significant than anything we have seen in Britain for a very long time because it is just one manifestation of a much bigger cultural and political battle against Muslims.

Two bob the lot of them.

Went away for a while and this thread exploded. Which is coincidentally what some of the idiots on here think will happen to everyone in 20 years.

This lanes in ely bloke can't be for real. I smell a troll.

If we deport all the extremists, there'll be no-one left to set fire to holiday homes in North Wales.

Immigration is like the EU, have a referendum and let the people decide, preferably before the next wave arrive from Romania and Hungary.

Why do people brand all nationalists as Racists and nut jobs --

There is just no logic to this .

I know many people who support BNP or EDL and are responsible proffesional people with qualifications and are in or who have held responsible positions like myself.

The image of football thugs in masks is not good and there are nutters on the far right --but there are many on the far left as well,

My stance is I am nationalist because i care about my country and the British People.
I will always give preference in any situation to my own people --ie, the Indigenous race of these Isles
Quite simply its looking after your own first.

People who come to these Isles should be allowed to come because they add value. Sadly the vast amount of immigrants that are here are unskilled and dont add value.

Simply stop Immigration now --apart from essential recruitment.
Offer Indigenous Families a hefty amount to return home, ban all extremist behaviour lock up Asylum seekers , Bring our troops home to scour the streets for extremists and illegals.

And no one gets benefits until they have lived here for five years and worked and paid taxes.

Ye mate a right f*cking clown you got it,

Your a right tw*t if you dont mind me saying

So in order to protect our shores from extremists you'd become......an extremist........oh the irony.

I'm not going to enter a battle of wits with you, i dont fight unarmed men.

Exactly. What idiot tries to put out a fire by starting a fire?

The EDL are obsessed and have crazy views. Sharia Law will never come into force in the UK because of human rights. The simple fact is, for it to even be contemplated more Muslims would need places in the HoC's and HoL's and that's not going to happen any time soon.

Ye mate a right f*cking clown you got it,

Your a right tw*t if you dont mind me saying

So in order to protect our shores from extremists you'd become......an extremist........oh the irony.

I'm not going to enter a battle of wits with you, i dont fight unarmed men.

Exactly. What idiot tries to put out a fire by starting a fire?

The EDL are obsessed and have crazy views. Sharia Law will never come into force in the UK because of human rights. The simple fact is, for it to even be contemplated more Muslims would need places in the HoC's and HoL's and that's not going to happen any time soon.

Pretty sure they do that with oil fires. Set off explosions to use up all the oxygen so that the original fire is starved.

Not that I'm helping here when i agree with your general point.

Ironic really, how these anglo's talk about immigrants

So I am in the EDL no wait I am the LEADER becuase I think in 20-30 years time we will live under Sharias law, What the hell are you on about? Is it not ok to think this? Am I a nazi becuase I think in 20-30 years that our country will change? Are we not aloud an opinon on saying this? Or are you one of these left wing nut jobs where if I mention anything to do with race or religion I am instantly a nazi skinhead with Dr Martins ye? Not just a concerned person who is not blinded by left wing wankers and the papers

Right now I think you're an idiot. A really funny idiot, but an idiot all the same.

If you can answer my two questions, then I sincerely promise to take you a little more seriously.

1. Only 4.6% of the UK's population is Islamic and I would guess that around 4.59% of that figure consists of really decent people, just like us that have chosen Islam as their way of life. How do you think that within just 30 years, our country will descend into a totalitarian Islamic ruled Sharia state?

2. As tragic as the London bombings of 2005 were, the reality, is that in the entire history of the United Kingdom Muslim extremists have only killed 52 people. That is such a tiny number of Muslim extremists that have committed a terrorist act and equally such a small number of people to have lost their lives to a terrorist act. Why do you consider Muslims such a threat to our country?

Don't ever forget that in the 1980's, knuckleheads like you actually managed to convince the British government into considering putting aids sufferers into concentration camps, in the name of protecting the British people. Looking back 30 years later, we can all see how ridiculous an idea that was, but it happened. I predict that in 30 years time instead of being governed by a Sharia law state, you'll also look back and realise how much of a donut you were in your twenties.

I really can't wait for your response, I'm genuinely looking forward to it and I really hope you can back up your claims and change my opinions.

How many young Muslim males hit the streets and protest against Radical Islamic loonys screaming for
Sharia law??

Give me one example. JUST ONE. Where Anjem Choudary and his nut jobs were run out of town by
fellow "British loving" Muslims. Much as hundreds of British, 'white' UAF people 'run' the EDL out of town

If you can't, PLEASE give me a reasonable explanation as to why!!

Maybe people just don't care that much, because MAYBE they aren't that big a threat to us.

The numbers don't lie...

Only 52 people have been killed in the last 60 million years on British soil at the hands of Islamic Extremists, that is a FACT.

There are 2.6 million Muslims currently living in the UK and in the last 60 million years only 4 of them have been "extreme" to the point of wanting to take the lives of others. Only 4, that is a FACT.

And yet forget about real threats to the British people like poverty, a crippled economy, rising crime figures, Global Warming or our corrupt government that continually pump propaganda down our throats to CONTROL STUPID PEOPLE LIKE YOU. Ohh no, those big, scary Muslim extremists will be death of this country and we all need to stand up and fight against them.

For a grown man you are pathetic mate. Open your eyes and take a look around.

WHOA.....

Open yours..

I'll ask YOU again...

How many young muslim males take to the streets to protest Radical Islam?

How quickly do they take to the streets at the first sniff of the EDL

Do you not see there is a worrying imbalance there

ALSO..... ORIGINALLY...The EDL was formed to protest against Anjem Choudary and
his hate group, the idea being that wherever HE planned to speak.. they would disrupt
it. In principle, a f*cking good idea. Wouldnt you agree?

"Only 52 people have been killed by muslims extremists in this country". It doesn't matter folks, they have only killed 52 people, we are all safe.

Fact: The EDL was formed by a low-intelligence lad who was sick of seeing Anjem Choudary
and his gang with "kill british soldiers" and "jesus is a muslim" banners spouting their foul racist
fascist shite!!!!

So he decided to do something about it.

The very very second he started flying The Cross Of St George... the British Establishment had
him labelled a racist. Long before his group was infiltrated by genuine racists and plants, paid
to do Nazi salutes on camera

So i'll ask the PC brigade once more...

In principle,Whats wrong with a group protesting against Radical Islam?

So because I want Muslim extremists out of Britain like 90% of people do, and I would ban the Burka to try and improve the relations between races and religions I am a troll? FFS read all my other posts mate I am certainly not a troll and if you want come to the Neville on Saturday and you can see.

il be in my EDL t-shirt with my Dr Martin boots and a nazi tattoo across my head, fair play mate your just a gimp sat behind a computer who probabaly goes to the football the last 2 years and you sit on your own with a radio and a 1927 hat.

Fact: The EDL was formed by a low-intelligence lad who was sick of seeing Anjem Choudary
and his gang with "kill british soldiers" and "jesus is a muslim" banners spouting their foul racist
fascist shite!!!!

So he decided to do something about it.

The very very second he started flying The Cross Of St George... the British Establishment had
him labelled a racist. Long before his group was infiltrated by genuine racists and plants, paid
to do Nazi salutes on camera

So I'll ask the PC brigade once more...

In principle,Whats wrong with a group protesting against Radical Islam?

In principal,nothing as you say-but in reality there would be more than a few up for more than peaceful protest on both sides.That would be the start-each blaming the other for the violence and it would end in chaos.The one thing every extremist group of every persuasion has in common is the lack of debating skills,the willingness to compromise,and the will to subdue by any means.Even Hitler started small,in beer halls and the like.

If there were 2 groups and someone said ,one group are Muslim extremists and the other group are the edl. You now must choose to stand with one group. I would stand with the edl not because I'm a Muslim hater ,one of my training partners is a Muslim and he's a sound lad.

It's because Muslim extremists hate my way of life

Ye mate a right f*cking clown you got it,

Your a right tw*t if you dont mind me saying

So in order to protect our shores from extremists you'd become......an extremist........oh the irony.

I'm not going to enter a battle of wits with you, i dont fight unarmed men.

Exactly. What idiot tries to put out a fire by starting a fire?

The EDL are obsessed and have crazy views. Sharia Law will never come into force in the UK because of human rights. The simple fact is, for it to even be contemplated more Muslims would need places in the HoC's and HoL's and that's not going to happen any time soon.

There are over 100 Sharia courts in Britain right now.

How many do you think there will be in 20 years??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQZKCH2hwa0 ... and how many more MPs like this in 20 years!!

2001 census said 1.54 million muslims in the UK

Now there are 2.89 million

I'll ask again.. how many more MPs like him in 20 years

Ye mate a right f*cking clown you got it,

Your a right tw*t if you dont mind me saying

So in order to protect our shores from extremists you'd become......an extremist........oh the irony.

I'm not going to enter a battle of wits with you, i dont fight unarmed men.

Exactly. What idiot tries to put out a fire by starting a fire?

The EDL are obsessed and have crazy views. Sharia Law will never come into force in the UK because of human rights. The simple fact is, for it to even be contemplated more Muslims would need places in the HoC's and HoL's and that's not going to happen any time soon.

There are over 100 Sharia courts in Britain right now.

How many do you think there will be in 20 years??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQZKCH2hwa0 ... and how many more MPs like this in 20 years!!

2001 census said 1.54 million muslims in the UK

Now there are 2.89 million

I'll ask again.. how many more MPs like him in 20 years

your going completely off topic, the point is, as was from the very first post about the EDL, not about some ex-labour MP.

30 years ago who would have said USA would have a black president??

Ye mate a right f*cking clown you got it,

Your a right tw*t if you dont mind me saying

So in order to protect our shores from extremists you'd become......an extremist........oh the irony.

I'm not going to enter a battle of wits with you, i dont fight unarmed men.

Exactly. What idiot tries to put out a fire by starting a fire?

The EDL are obsessed and have crazy views. Sharia Law will never come into force in the UK because of human rights. The simple fact is, for it to even be contemplated more Muslims would need places in the HoC's and HoL's and that's not going to happen any time soon.

There are over 100 Sharia courts in Britain right now.

How many do you think there will be in 20 years??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQZKCH2hwa0 ... and how many more MPs like this in 20 years!!

2001 census said 1.54 million muslims in the UK

Now there are 2.89 million

I'll ask again.. how many more MPs like him in 20 years

your going completely off topic, the point is, as was from the very first post about the EDL, not about some ex-labour MP.

30 years ago who would have said USA would have a black president??

Fact about EDL... NOT formed as a racist movement, but the very second it spoke
out against the Extremist Muzzies... the government, press, media and UAF all hit
them so hard with RACIST accusations, they had no chance.

Strange they dont do the same about Choudary

Care to tell me why not?

Correct, they werent formed as a racist movement, unfortunately they have become one. The idea was right but then again a lot of ideas are....even Hitler started off with a few good ideas and look how that ended up