4-0, Top of the League, Hated it.

Don't waste hate on a poster you don't even know. Hardly offensive am I.

There are rapists and serial killers out there far more worthy of your hate than someone who comes on a forum and says some home truths now and again that some may not want to hear to add a touch of reality to the situation.

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Spot on thread.

I love the fact some fans are saying such like as "we taught them a lesson" as if its some sort of self made achievement.

Doncaster could take out £100 million in loans they can't afford to pay and pay all their players 20k - 30k a week when that's more than their total income, but doing it anyway regardless if they have got it or not.... As a result you will have a decent championship team of players. In terms of the result on the club in time to come... Doesn't bare thinking about.

The immediate effect means our fans are split. The atmosphere is dead, we are a pretty soulless club, people don't seem to care as much, we now have a dragon as the main part of our badge and our official colours are red! And that's just the superficial changes to the club.

The fact nobody else is spending millions more than they actually have is because it isn't a great idea, I hope the glory hunters realise this soon.

You never tire roath

He's right though isnt he mate?

Is he? Are we any different to man city or any club being funded by an investor? And don't tell me the atmosphere is due to the rebrand as it was just the same last season.
And what a empty statement saying we are a soulless club. Same fans same stadium same club better players. Cheap line that means nothing and is simply a wind up line

Yes completely different.

Man city were already in the prem and their investors which dwarf the riches of ours... Who isn't even our owner... Which means any money they put up could go straight into th playing squad which at that level reaps its own rewards with champions league football. By being one of the worlds biggest clubs they can genuinely find a balance between spending and making money. Another key ingredient of course is the assets the investment has brought if hit upon hard times, they have assembled be of the most valuable sides in world football. They also did this by keeping the club identifiable with the fans.

We are in the championship with a championship squad, a decent championship squad granted, but a championship squad all the same. We are saddled with a debt 8 times the worth of our total football club, spending more than we make in entire year on players wages alone and still need loans to cover it, not to mention the other amounts needed to run a football club. This is being loaned to us at an interest of 7% and each month that passes it increases by another £2 million. All this? Just to be a lower half prem club realistically. In exchange we have also sold the soul of the club by changing our famous blue for a baffling red that has nothing to do with the club and changed our badge to a dragon.

Completely different.

So how many billions do you need?
Owner in reality, it's just semantics.
Just how much money does the champions league earn a club? Not the amount you imply.
The 7% fascination is irrelevant. It's the Malaysians paying themselves on their own debt. But no cash changes hands.

And you can comment on the atmosphere and soul of the club, yet you don't even go? Impressive

If you "hated it" then don't turn up. Simple.

No mate, it doesnt work like that, you see I have been going since 1988.

Im not in it for the glory, Im a Cardiff City fan and this is not the first time I have hated it believe you me, but judging by your attitude you have only been going 2 minutes and never really seen Cardiff in adversity.

You see, I was there, and I am there now and I will be there after, the 20,000 that are there now wont be, that is nailed on. I hope this 20,000 are enjoying riding on the crest of the wave in red and I hope they all stay true if we end up like Portsmouth or freefall like Swindon or Bradford, will they f**k.

I will be there mate, Cardiff City, The Bluebirds, in Blue, not a johny come lately, not a soul seller, a fan forever,

dont turn up?

not on your nelly

You really ain't got a clue have you.

have I not? educate me then fella, Im all ears

Who are you to say he's been supporting the club for just 2 minutes because you didn't like the hard truth in what he said? I could pretty much say the same to you and I've been going for just as long as you have, could even have been supporting them for a greater percentage of my life than you. Does that make me a better fan? Of course not. What if I turned you line of reasoning around and said that I have been supporting them for over 20 years and I can accept playing in red and tbh I quite like it, so based on that then I think anyone who doesn't still get excited and that is just a fair weather fan. We're the true fans, we've accepted it, we support the boys regardless of what is going on... therefore WE'RE THE REAL CARDIFF CITY FANS!!!

How dare you label me as a Johnny come lately or a soul seller. As some else said, its just a phrase you are using to denigrate and a opposing view and belittle any opposition with out providing a reasoned approach, and he's right! You don't like someone having an alternative view, you don't like that they've given you a retort that's blunt and to the point and so rather than take their advice you insult them, myself and countless others along with it and just stereotyped us all. That is why you haven't got a clue!

If my son said he didn't like playing/watching football anymore I'd tell him exactly the same as JonCCFC has told you. Its not life and death, if you don't like it then don't go and don't come clogging up the message board with nonsense like this to bring everyone down and cry for attention after a great result.

Don't waste hate on a poster you don't even know. Hardly offensive am I.

There are rapists and serial killers out there far more worthy of your hate than someone who comes on a forum and says some home truths now and again that some may not want to hear to add a touch of reality to the situation.

Neither as bad as a jack pretending to be something he/ she isn't

If you "hated it" then don't turn up. Simple.

No mate, it doesnt work like that, you see I have been going since 1988.

Im not in it for the glory, Im a Cardiff City fan and this is not the first time I have hated it believe you me, but judging by your attitude you have only been going 2 minutes and never really seen Cardiff in adversity.

You see, I was there, and I am there now and I will be there after, the 20,000 that are there now wont be, that is nailed on. I hope this 20,000 are enjoying riding on the crest of the wave in red and I hope they all stay true if we end up like Portsmouth or freefall like Swindon or Bradford, will they f**k.

I will be there mate, Cardiff City, The Bluebirds, in Blue, not a johny come lately, not a soul seller, a fan forever,

dont turn up?

not on your nelly

You really ain't got a clue have you.

Im still waiting

I was still typing, on my tablet not my PC so takes longer

Spot on thread.

I love the fact some fans are saying such like as "we taught them a lesson" as if its some sort of self made achievement.

Doncaster could take out £100 million in loans they can't afford to pay and pay all their players 20k - 30k a week when that's more than their total income, but doing it anyway regardless if they have got it or not.... As a result you will have a decent championship team of players. In terms of the result on the club in time to come... Doesn't bare thinking about.

The immediate effect means our fans are split. The atmosphere is dead, we are a pretty soulless club, people don't seem to care as much, we now have a dragon as the main part of our badge and our official colours are red! And that's just the superficial changes to the club.

The fact nobody else is spending millions more than they actually have is because it isn't a great idea, I hope the glory hunters realise this soon.

You never tire roath

He's right though isnt he mate?

Is he? Are we any different to man city or any club being funded by an investor? And don't tell me the atmosphere is due to the rebrand as it was just the same last season.
And what a empty statement saying we are a soulless club. Same fans same stadium same club better players. Cheap line that means nothing and is simply a wind up line

Yes completely different.

Man city were already in the prem and their investors which dwarf the riches of ours... Who isn't even our owner... Which means any money they put up could go straight into th playing squad which at that level reaps its own rewards with champions league football. By being one of the worlds biggest clubs they can genuinely find a balance between spending and making money. Another key ingredient of course is the assets the investment has brought if hit upon hard times, they have assembled be of the most valuable sides in world football. They also did this by keeping the club identifiable with the fans.

We are in the championship with a championship squad, a decent championship squad granted, but a championship squad all the same. We are saddled with a debt 8 times the worth of our total football club, spending more than we make in entire year on players wages alone and still need loans to cover it, not to mention the other amounts needed to run a football club. This is being loaned to us at an interest of 7% and each month that passes it increases by another £2 million. All this? Just to be a lower half prem club realistically. In exchange we have also sold the soul of the club by changing our famous blue for a baffling red that has nothing to do with the club and changed our badge to a dragon.

Completely different.

Roath magic as a poster i despise you but unfortunately you're bang on in that post.

Really?

Spot on thread.

I love the fact some fans are saying such like as "we taught them a lesson" as if its some sort of self made achievement.

Doncaster could take out £100 million in loans they can't afford to pay and pay all their players 20k - 30k a week when that's more than their total income, but doing it anyway regardless if they have got it or not.... As a result you will have a decent championship team of players. In terms of the result on the club in time to come... Doesn't bare thinking about.

The immediate effect means our fans are split. The atmosphere is dead, we are a pretty soulless club, people don't seem to care as much, we now have a dragon as the main part of our badge and our official colours are red! And that's just the superficial changes to the club.

The fact nobody else is spending millions more than they actually have is because it isn't a great idea, I hope the glory hunters realise this soon.

You never tire roath

He's right though isnt he mate?

Is he? Are we any different to man city or any club being funded by an investor? And don't tell me the atmosphere is due to the rebrand as it was just the same last season.
And what a empty statement saying we are a soulless club. Same fans same stadium same club better players. Cheap line that means nothing and is simply a wind up line

Yes completely different.

Man city were already in the prem and their investors which dwarf the riches of ours... Who isn't even our owner... Which means any money they put up could go straight into th playing squad which at that level reaps its own rewards with champions league football. By being one of the worlds biggest clubs they can genuinely find a balance between spending and making money. Another key ingredient of course is the assets the investment has brought if hit upon hard times, they have assembled be of the most valuable sides in world football. They also did this by keeping the club identifiable with the fans.

We are in the championship with a championship squad, a decent championship squad granted, but a championship squad all the same. We are saddled with a debt 8 times the worth of our total football club, spending more than we make in entire year on players wages alone and still need loans to cover it, not to mention the other amounts needed to run a football club. This is being loaned to us at an interest of 7% and each month that passes it increases by another £2 million. All this? Just to be a lower half prem club realistically. In exchange we have also sold the soul of the club by changing our famous blue for a baffling red that has nothing to do with the club and changed our badge to a dragon.

Completely different.

OK, so enlighten me with you superior business brain. In trading, what is your best way of making a profit, in really simple terms.

I do t need to go to comment on the soul and atmosphere I was ere last season, I know what it's like. And since the reports are that it has worsened. The fact I and other regulars no longer go also add weight to the theory.

As for the 7%, each 1% that is tacked on to our bill is yet more money we can't afford and will plummet us further into the abyss should we fail or tan walks away.

The man city investors have ploughed money into the playing squad in the whole, which are saleable assets. Tan has pumped money into covering our asses while we are over paying our current ones that aren't worth very much to the tune of nearly 90 million. Only 15 % of the debt we have aquired is in the form of saleable assets.

The man city situation is also a world apart as the club benefits from a number of revenue streams on top of the players that they sheiks have bought which will pretty much hold their value or increase. Being one of the biggest clubs in the world comes with benefits that a club like us can only dream of.

We at the most are looking at becoming a Club that stands a chance of staying up. We will need a whole new squad barring one or two. We will still lose money in the prem year on year so the debt will only increase. Man city have the size to bare debt, we don't.

Spot on thread.

I love the fact some fans are saying such like as "we taught them a lesson" as if its some sort of self made achievement.

Doncaster could take out £100 million in loans they can't afford to pay and pay all their players 20k - 30k a week when that's more than their total income, but doing it anyway regardless if they have got it or not.... As a result you will have a decent championship team of players. In terms of the result on the club in time to come... Doesn't bare thinking about.

The immediate effect means our fans are split. The atmosphere is dead, we are a pretty soulless club, people don't seem to care as much, we now have a dragon as the main part of our badge and our official colours are red! And that's just the superficial changes to the club.

The fact nobody else is spending millions more than they actually have is because it isn't a great idea, I hope the glory hunters realise this soon.

You never tire roath

He's right though isnt he mate?

Is he? Are we any different to man city or any club being funded by an investor? And don't tell me the atmosphere is due to the rebrand as it was just the same last season.
And what a empty statement saying we are a soulless club. Same fans same stadium same club better players. Cheap line that means nothing and is simply a wind up line

Yes completely different.

Man city were already in the prem and their investors which dwarf the riches of ours... Who isn't even our owner... Which means any money they put up could go straight into th playing squad which at that level reaps its own rewards with champions league football. By being one of the worlds biggest clubs they can genuinely find a balance between spending and making money. Another key ingredient of course is the assets the investment has brought if hit upon hard times, they have assembled be of the most valuable sides in world football. They also did this by keeping the club identifiable with the fans.

We are in the championship with a championship squad, a decent championship squad granted, but a championship squad all the same. We are saddled with a debt 8 times the worth of our total football club, spending more than we make in entire year on players wages alone and still need loans to cover it, not to mention the other amounts needed to run a football club. This is being loaned to us at an interest of 7% and each month that passes it increases by another £2 million. All this? Just to be a lower half prem club realistically. In exchange we have also sold the soul of the club by changing our famous blue for a baffling red that has nothing to do with the club and changed our badge to a dragon.

Completely different.

OK, so enlighten me with you superior business brain. In trading, what is your best way of making a profit, in really simple terms.

What a loose question. How long is a piece of string?

If you want an answer in simple terms, it's an idea to put your question in a similar form.

If you "hated it" then don't turn up. Simple.

No mate, it doesnt work like that, you see I have been going since 1988.

Im not in it for the glory, Im a Cardiff City fan and this is not the first time I have hated it believe you me, but judging by your attitude you have only been going 2 minutes and never really seen Cardiff in adversity.

You see, I was there, and I am there now and I will be there after, the 20,000 that are there now wont be, that is nailed on. I hope this 20,000 are enjoying riding on the crest of the wave in red and I hope they all stay true if we end up like Portsmouth or freefall like Swindon or Bradford, will they f**k.

I will be there mate, Cardiff City, The Bluebirds, in Blue, not a johny come lately, not a soul seller, a fan forever,

dont turn up?

not on your nelly

You really ain't got a clue have you.

have I not? educate me then fella, Im all ears

Who are you to say he's been supporting the club for just 2 minutes because you didn't like the hard truth in what he said? I could pretty much say the same to you and I've been going for just as long as you have, could even have been supporting them for a greater percentage of my life than you. Does that make me a better fan? Of course not. What if I turned you line of reasoning around and said that I have been supporting them for over 20 years and I can accept playing in red and tbh I quite like it, so based on that then I think anyone who doesn't still get excited and that is just a fair weather fan. We're the true fans, we've accepted it, we support the boys regardless of what is going on... therefore WE'RE THE REAL CARDIFF CITY FANS!!!

How dare you label me as a Johnny come lately or a soul seller. As some else said, its just a phrase you are using to denigrate and a opposing view and belittle any opposition with out providing a reasoned approach, and he's right! You don't like someone having an alternative view, you don't like that they've given you a retort that's blunt and to the point and so rather than take their advice you insult them, myself and countless others along with it and just stereotyped us all. That is why you haven't got a clue!

If my son said he didn't like playing/watching football anymore I'd tell him exactly the same as JonCCFC has told you. Its not life and death, if you don't like it then don't go and don't come clogging up the message board with nonsense like this to bring everyone down and cry for attention after a great result.

He told me he had been supporting the club for the past 3-4 years, first paragraph pointless.

I never called anyone personaly a johny come lately or a soul seller, I said we have many johny come latelys fans which is true, dont get your second paragraph, Iv been honest and accepted other peoples points of view all the way through this thread, feel free to read it back.

As for your last paragraph my nephew said he didnt like wathcing foorball mate, he's gay, doesnt bother me in the slightest.

I do t need to go to comment on the soul and atmosphere I was ere last season, I know what it's like. And since the reports are that it has worsened. The fact I and other regulars no longer go also add weight to the theory.

As for the 7%, each 1% that is tacked on to our bill is yet more money we can't afford and will plummet us further into the abyss should we fail or tan walks away.

The man city investors have ploughed money into the playing squad in the whole, which are saleable assets. Tan has pumped money into covering our asses while we are over paying our current ones that aren't worth very much to the tune of nearly 90 million. Only 15 % of the debt we have aquired is in the form of saleable assets.

The man city situation is also a world apart as the club benefits from a number of revenue streams on top of the players that they sheiks have bought which will pretty much hold their value or increase. Being one of the biggest clubs in the world comes with benefits that a club like us can only dream of.

We at the most are looking at becoming a Club that stands a chance of staying up. We will need a whole new squad barring one or two. We will still lose money in the prem year on year so the debt will only increase. Man city have the size to bare debt, we don't.

Our billionaire owner / backer /investor decides what debt we can bare. And how will we lose money in the prem league? Have you already worked out our wage bill etc?
You should spend more time supporting the club (humouring you here) as opposed to banging numbers in your calculator. How you can claim to be concerned about the clubs finances yet don't even support the club is irony to the extreme.

Millar, I think you'll find your not making sense! You said to Jon "judging by your attitude" now you're saying he's told you he's only supported them for a few years, so which is it???

Yes you have labelled us all who have accepted the rebrand as second class supporters and that your option is right because of how long you followed the city. My point being that I have followed them for just as long as you and since I was only 8 when we both started following then maybe I've supported them a greater percentage of my life. In effect I was taking your method of argument to say it probably makes me a better class of supporter than you, so perhaps my opinion on the rebrand is more valid than yours and I accept it. Of course I can't make an argument based on that reasoning, its nonsense and I was trying to point out the folly of it. It gets nowhere other than serving to be-little other fans and if that's what your aiming to do then it isn't the rebrand dividing the fans... its people like you!

You've completely missed the point of my last paragraph as well! If it causes you as much distress as you claiming the Jon is right... don't go!

:(

Just another attention seeker looks like we got here another case of munchausen by proxy syndrome the secret is to just ignore him and when he realises nobody gives a monkies toss about his idiotic comment he will stop trying to get unmerited attention.

What a loose question. How long is a piece of string?

If you want an answer in simple terms, it's an idea to put your question in a similar form.

Well if you can't answer that simple question then it explains how you ain't got a clue about the rest of the stuff you're claiming marvelous insight into

What a loose question. How long is a piece of string?

If you want an answer in simple terms, it's an idea to put your question in a similar form.

Well if you can't answer that simple question then it explains how you ain't got a clue about the rest of the stuff you're claiming marvelous insight into

Millar, I think you'll find your not making sense! You said to Jon "judging by your attitude" now you're saying he's told you he's only supported them for a few years, so which is it???

Yes you have labelled us all who have accepted the rebrand as second class supporters and that your option is right because of how long you followed the city. My point being that I have followed them for just as long as you and since I was only 8 when we both started following then maybe I've supported them a greater percentage of my life. In effect I was taking your method of argument to say it probably makes me a better class of supporter than you, so perhaps my opinion on the rebrand is more valid than yours and I accept it. Of course I can't make an argument based on that reasoning, its nonsense and I was trying to point out the folly of it. It gets nowhere other than serving to be-little other fans and if that's what your aiming to do then it isn't the rebrand dividing the fans... its people like you!

You've completely missed the point of my last paragraph as well! If it causes you as much distress as you claiming the Jon is right... don't go!

Ever thought some people speak to each other on here and have tidy debates via PM mate, I am not an idiot, I will be happy to have a pint or a bit of food with anyone on here and debate fooball/cardiff city.

I never labelled anyone who accepted the re brand as second class supporters so you need to take that one back. I posted an opinion that I think that many people who support cardiff city now would not hang around if we fall down the leagues. I stand by it.

over to you

I do t need to go to comment on the soul and atmosphere I was ere last season, I know what it's like. And since the reports are that it has worsened. The fact I and other regulars no longer go also add weight to the theory.

As for the 7%, each 1% that is tacked on to our bill is yet more money we can't afford and will plummet us further into the abyss should we fail or tan walks away.

The man city investors have ploughed money into the playing squad in the whole, which are saleable assets. Tan has pumped money into covering our asses while we are over paying our current ones that aren't worth very much to the tune of nearly 90 million. Only 15 % of the debt we have aquired is in the form of saleable assets.

The man city situation is also a world apart as the club benefits from a number of revenue streams on top of the players that they sheiks have bought which will pretty much hold their value or increase. Being one of the biggest clubs in the world comes with benefits that a club like us can only dream of.

We at the most are looking at becoming a Club that stands a chance of staying up. We will need a whole new squad barring one or two. We will still lose money in the prem year on year so the debt will only increase. Man city have the size to bare debt, we don't.

Our billionaire owner / backer /investor decides what debt we can bare. And how will we lose money in the prem league? Have you already worked out our wage bill etc?
You should spend more time supporting the club (humouring you here) as opposed to banging numbers in your calculator. How you can claim to be concerned about the clubs finances yet don't even support the club is irony to the extreme.

He is neither a billionaire or our owner. He's a multi millionaire shareholder.

Whether he decided what debt we can bare or the tooth fairy decides is irrelevant. We cannot bare the level of debt we hold currently unless we become a champions league side and thus becoming one of the worlds best supported global clubs. If you think that's realistic then crack on but for those of us with a modicum of reality left in our bodies will see its heading for disaster.

I already know our wage bill from last year, know that it has increased and know it will increase again. I also know the wage bills for the clubs outside the top 10 and if ours is even th bottom end of that then it will be in the £40 million region. We already have a shortfall in the £20 million region which will of course carry over. The average coat of promotion is £8 million in terms of bonuses and transfer fees triggered in terms of promotion add ons. This is normally in line with amount of wage paid and amount of new players aquired... so ours will be above average lets say a conservative £10 million. We have a championship squad and will want to compete, the average spend of a newlyq promoted side is £13 million although we have a track record of lavish spending so doubt we will stick with the average but let's go with it anyway.

All that comes to an outgoing of.... £91 million
The income of a club our size (stadium) and league prospects is.... £50 million.

So a net loss of £41 million. This will be subsidised by the new premier league deal next year which adds another £19 million to next years income which means if we go up our yearly shortfall will have grown from around £18-£20 million to £20-£22 million.

Terrifying.

:(

Just another attention seeker looks like we got here another case of munchausen by proxy syndrome the secret is to just ignore him and when he realises nobody gives a monkies toss about his idiotic comment he will stop trying to get unmerited attention.

full of insults and no substance. dim respect for you knob head.

Any reason?

Without getting into a big argument mate it just felt totally bizzare to me.

I cant get my head around the red shirts for starters, and then add to that the atmosphere for a team top
of the league was awful.

We were 4-0 up and Ali said the fourth official has indicated 2 minutes of added time, I looked around and the place was half empty, and people were flooding for the exits.

The kid in front of me had a Barcelona top on and most of the people around me spent most of the game on their phones telling each other the scores from the other games.

It honestly felt like I was at the Cinema at times.

The best thing about going there today was bottles of Heineken for a £1. I should be buzzing, top of the League, 4-0 home win but its not there.

I appreciate other people are getting on with it but its not for me, I know Im not alone.

Without getting into an arguement, some City fans hold this club back at times, we've just won 4-0, 3pts clear at the top and I'm reading this?! Sorry pal, you need to man up and get on with it

Yeah mate, Iv held the club right back by going there since 1988 week and week out and continuing to do so even though Im not enjoying it.

We won 4-0 top of the league, its hollow pal.

Portgcawl Bluebirds? why dont you support the Jacks pal, their your local club, got no time for people who dont support the local club so dont give a f**k what you think anyway.

What an absolute knob head you are!! this club over the last 30 years has struggled against all and everyone who has tried very hard to put the "boot" into us, in all that time we have kept together, looked after each other, especially at some testing away venues. 50% of cardiff city's support has always come from outside the city boundary, that is why we are so unique, being a born and bread valley boy, i am proud to have supported cardiff city for the last 42 years.

What a loose question. How long is a piece of string?

If you want an answer in simple terms, it's an idea to put your question in a similar form.

Well if you can't answer that simple question then it explains how you ain't got a clue about the rest of the stuff you're claiming marvelous insight into

It's is not a simple answer at all.

A business model to make profits from trading woollen socks in far different from someone trading carrots. Clarify the question and I will clarify the answer.

Although the basic premise is if your outgoings are less than your income then you are a profitable business.

Any reason?

Without getting into a big argument mate it just felt totally bizzare to me.

I cant get my head around the red shirts for starters, and then add to that the atmosphere for a team top
of the league was awful.

We were 4-0 up and Ali said the fourth official has indicated 2 minutes of added time, I looked around and the place was half empty, and people were flooding for the exits.

The kid in front of me had a Barcelona top on and most of the people around me spent most of the game on their phones telling each other the scores from the other games.

It honestly felt like I was at the Cinema at times.

The best thing about going there today was bottles of Heineken for a £1. I should be buzzing, top of the League, 4-0 home win but its not there.

I appreciate other people are getting on with it but its not for me, I know Im not alone.

Without getting into an arguement, some City fans hold this club back at times, we've just won 4-0, 3pts clear at the top and I'm reading this?! Sorry pal, you need to man up and get on with it

Yeah mate, Iv held the club right back by going there since 1988 week and week out and continuing to do so even though Im not enjoying it.

We won 4-0 top of the league, its hollow pal.

Portgcawl Bluebirds? why dont you support the Jacks pal, their your local club, got no time for people who dont support the local club so dont give a f**k what you think anyway.

What an absolute knob head you are!! this club over the last 30 years has struggled against all and everyone who has tried very hard to put the "boot" into us, in all that time we have kept together, looked after each other, especially at some testing away venues. 50% of cardiff city's support has always come from outside the city boundary, that is why we are so unique, being a born and bread valley boy, i am proud to have supported cardiff city for the last 42 years.

Is there any particular point to that post or are you just pissed, f**k off mate eh, im off to Bolton Away next week, pm me if you want to meet up, dont mouty off of here,

I do t need to go to comment on the soul and atmosphere I was ere last season, I know what it's like. And since the reports are that it has worsened. The fact I and other regulars no longer go also add weight to the theory.

As for the 7%, each 1% that is tacked on to our bill is yet more money we can't afford and will plummet us further into the abyss should we fail or tan walks away.

The man city investors have ploughed money into the playing squad in the whole, which are saleable assets. Tan has pumped money into covering our asses while we are over paying our current ones that aren't worth very much to the tune of nearly 90 million. Only 15 % of the debt we have aquired is in the form of saleable assets.

The man city situation is also a world apart as the club benefits from a number of revenue streams on top of the players that they sheiks have bought which will pretty much hold their value or increase. Being one of the biggest clubs in the world comes with benefits that a club like us can only dream of.

We at the most are looking at becoming a Club that stands a chance of staying up. We will need a whole new squad barring one or two. We will still lose money in the prem year on year so the debt will only increase. Man city have the size to bare debt, we don't.

Our billionaire owner / backer /investor decides what debt we can bare. And how will we lose money in the prem league? Have you already worked out our wage bill etc?
You should spend more time supporting the club (humouring you here) as opposed to banging numbers in your calculator. How you can claim to be concerned about the clubs finances yet don't even support the club is irony to the extreme.

He is neither a billionaire or our owner. He's a multi millionaire shareholder.

Whether he decided what debt we can bare or the tooth fairy decides is irrelevant. We cannot bare the level of debt we hold currently unless we become a champions league side and thus becoming one of the worlds best supported global clubs. If you think that's realistic then crack on but for those of us with a modicum of reality left in our bodies will see its heading for disaster.

I already know our wage bill from last year, know that it has increased and know it will increase again. I also know the wage bills for the clubs outside the top 10 and if ours is even th bottom end of that then it will be in the £40 million region. We already have a shortfall in the £20 million region which will of course carry over. The average coat of promotion is £8 million in terms of bonuses and transfer fees triggered in terms of promotion add ons. This is normally in line with amount of wage paid and amount of new players aquired... so ours will be above average lets say a conservative £10 million. We have a championship squad and will want to compete, the average spend of a newlyq promoted side is £13 million although we have a track record of lavish spending so doubt we will stick with the average but let's go with it anyway.

All that comes to an outgoing of.... £91 million
The income of a club our size (stadium) and league prospects is.... £50 million.

So a net loss of £41 million. This will be subsidised by the new premier league deal next year which adds another £19 million to next years income which means if we go up our yearly shortfall will have grown from around £18-£20 million to £20-£22 million.

Terrifying.

Your maths is terrifying. For starters IF our wage bill were to be 40m then that's not on top of our wage bill now and therefore you can't just add it to this 20m shortfall you assume will be in place year. Do other clubs have this 91m spend or will it be just Cardiff?
If bonuses are paid its a one off.
Did the jacks or Norwich spend a net 13m in their first year in the prem?
What nonsense you spout.

Luckily it's nothing you should worry about since you no longer support the club.

At the end of the day boys we are all Cardiff.

Lets smash this on the head and have a big cwtch.

Wales Forever, or Cymu am Byth for all those who dont speak welsh

I do t need to go to comment on the soul and atmosphere I was ere last season, I know what it's like. And since the reports are that it has worsened. The fact I and other regulars no longer go also add weight to the theory.

As for the 7%, each 1% that is tacked on to our bill is yet more money we can't afford and will plummet us further into the abyss should we fail or tan walks away.

The man city investors have ploughed money into the playing squad in the whole, which are saleable assets. Tan has pumped money into covering our asses while we are over paying our current ones that aren't worth very much to the tune of nearly 90 million. Only 15 % of the debt we have aquired is in the form of saleable assets.

The man city situation is also a world apart as the club benefits from a number of revenue streams on top of the players that they sheiks have bought which will pretty much hold their value or increase. Being one of the biggest clubs in the world comes with benefits that a club like us can only dream of.

We at the most are looking at becoming a Club that stands a chance of staying up. We will need a whole new squad barring one or two. We will still lose money in the prem year on year so the debt will only increase. Man city have the size to bare debt, we don't.

Our billionaire owner / backer /investor decides what debt we can bare. And how will we lose money in the prem league? Have you already worked out our wage bill etc?
You should spend more time supporting the club (humouring you here) as opposed to banging numbers in your calculator. How you can claim to be concerned about the clubs finances yet don't even support the club is irony to the extreme.

He is neither a billionaire or our owner. He's a multi millionaire shareholder.

Whether he decided what debt we can bare or the tooth fairy decides is irrelevant. We cannot bare the level of debt we hold currently unless we become a champions league side and thus becoming one of the worlds best supported global clubs. If you think that's realistic then crack on but for those of us with a modicum of reality left in our bodies will see its heading for disaster.

I already know our wage bill from last year, know that it has increased and know it will increase again. I also know the wage bills for the clubs outside the top 10 and if ours is even th bottom end of that then it will be in the £40 million region. We already have a shortfall in the £20 million region which will of course carry over. The average coat of promotion is £8 million in terms of bonuses and transfer fees triggered in terms of promotion add ons. This is normally in line with amount of wage paid and amount of new players aquired... so ours will be above average lets say a conservative £10 million. We have a championship squad and will want to compete, the average spend of a newlyq promoted side is £13 million although we have a track record of lavish spending so doubt we will stick with the average but let's go with it anyway.

All that comes to an outgoing of.... £91 million
The income of a club our size (stadium) and league prospects is.... £50 million.

So a net loss of £41 million. This will be subsidised by the new premier league deal next year which adds another £19 million to next years income which means if we go up our yearly shortfall will have grown from around £18-£20 million to £20-£22 million.

Terrifying.

Your maths is terrifying. For starters IF our wage bill were to be 40m then that's not on top of our wage bill now and therefore you can't just add it to this 20m shortfall you assume will be in place year. Do other clubs have this 91m spend or will it be just Cardiff?
If bonuses are paid its a one off.
Did the jacks or Norwich spend a net 13m in their first year in the prem?
What nonsense you spout.

Luckily it's nothing you should worry about since you no longer support the club.

1. Our shortfall is around £20 million including our current wage outgoings. Next year we will carry this shortfall over regardless of our added wages or not as we still won't be a profitable medium. If you can't grasp that then I wouldn't reply if I were you coz your sounding a bit of an idiot.

2. Some may spend in the £90 million region but they will be clubs that can support that spend in terms of revenue or\and assets. I would be happy enough in my thoughts that Cardiff will be the only club with a spend of that size that can't afford it yes.

3. Bonuses are certainly not a one off. Swansea accounts will show that. Promotion bonuses turn into survival bonuses, and transfer fees have survival add ons included.

4. Yes Swansea spend £13.6 million n their first season. Norwich spent £9.4 million. Two historically minimal spending club still averaged an initial spend of £11.5 million between them.

Here to help.

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At the end of the day boys we are all Cardiff.

Lets smash this on the head and have a big cwtch.

Wales Forever, or Cymu am Byth for all those who dont speak welsh

Agreed, apart from the troll Roath aka Korean aka dimi aka no smoking etc etc

You only have to look at the top clubs in the UK to realise that times changing and foobtball is much more reserved than it used to be.Just check out RAWk or Redcafe for this

At the end of the day boys we are all Cardiff.

Lets smash this on the head and have a big cwtch.

Wales Forever, or Cymu am Byth for all those who dont speak welsh

Agreed, apart from the troll Roath aka Korean aka dimi aka no smoking etc etc

My god you have issues

I do t need to go to comment on the soul and atmosphere I was ere last season, I know what it's like. And since the reports are that it has worsened. The fact I and other regulars no longer go also add weight to the theory.

As for the 7%, each 1% that is tacked on to our bill is yet more money we can't afford and will plummet us further into the abyss should we fail or tan walks away.

The man city investors have ploughed money into the playing squad in the whole, which are saleable assets. Tan has pumped money into covering our asses while we are over paying our current ones that aren't worth very much to the tune of nearly 90 million. Only 15 % of the debt we have aquired is in the form of saleable assets.

The man city situation is also a world apart as the club benefits from a number of revenue streams on top of the players that they sheiks have bought which will pretty much hold their value or increase. Being one of the biggest clubs in the world comes with benefits that a club like us can only dream of.

We at the most are looking at becoming a Club that stands a chance of staying up. We will need a whole new squad barring one or two. We will still lose money in the prem year on year so the debt will only increase. Man city have the size to bare debt, we don't.

Our billionaire owner / backer /investor decides what debt we can bare. And how will we lose money in the prem league? Have you already worked out our wage bill etc?
You should spend more time supporting the club (humouring you here) as opposed to banging numbers in your calculator. How you can claim to be concerned about the clubs finances yet don't even support the club is irony to the extreme.

He is neither a billionaire or our owner. He's a multi millionaire shareholder.

Whether he decided what debt we can bare or the tooth fairy decides is irrelevant. We cannot bare the level of debt we hold currently unless we become a champions league side and thus becoming one of the worlds best supported global clubs. If you think that's realistic then crack on but for those of us with a modicum of reality left in our bodies will see its heading for disaster.

I already know our wage bill from last year, know that it has increased and know it will increase again. I also know the wage bills for the clubs outside the top 10 and if ours is even th bottom end of that then it will be in the £40 million region. We already have a shortfall in the £20 million region which will of course carry over. The average coat of promotion is £8 million in terms of bonuses and transfer fees triggered in terms of promotion add ons. This is normally in line with amount of wage paid and amount of new players aquired... so ours will be above average lets say a conservative £10 million. We have a championship squad and will want to compete, the average spend of a newlyq promoted side is £13 million although we have a track record of lavish spending so doubt we will stick with the average but let's go with it anyway.

All that comes to an outgoing of.... £91 million
The income of a club our size (stadium) and league prospects is.... £50 million.

So a net loss of £41 million. This will be subsidised by the new premier league deal next year which adds another £19 million to next years income which means if we go up our yearly shortfall will have grown from around £18-£20 million to £20-£22 million.

Terrifying.

Your maths is terrifying. For starters IF our wage bill were to be 40m then that's not on top of our wage bill now and therefore you can't just add it to this 20m shortfall you assume will be in place year. Do other clubs have this 91m spend or will it be just Cardiff?
If bonuses are paid its a one off.
Did the jacks or Norwich spend a net 13m in their first year in the prem?
What nonsense you spout.

Luckily it's nothing you should worry about since you no longer support the club.

1. Our shortfall is around £20 million including our current wage outgoings. Next year we will carry this shortfall over regardless of our added wages or not as we still won't be a profitable medium. If you can't grasp that then I wouldn't reply if I were you coz your sounding a bit of an idiot.

2. Some may spend in the £90 million region but they will be clubs that can support that spend in terms of revenue or\and assets. I would be happy enough in my thoughts that Cardiff will be the only club with a spend of that size that can afford it yes.

3. Bonuses are certainly not a one off. Swansea accounts will show that. Promotion bonuses turn into survival bonuses, and transfer fees have survival add ons included.

4. Yes Swansea spend £13.6 million n their first season. Norwich spent £9.4 million. Two historically minimal spending club still averaged an initial spend of £11.5 million between them.

Here to help.

You added the 20 m shortfall (inc current wages) to the revised prem league wage bill of 40m to make 60m of your made up 91m cost. So part of the 40m is already in the 20m shortfall, unless you're saying the wage bill is currently zero.

Here to help idiot.

At the end of the day boys we are all Cardiff.

Lets smash this on the head and have a big cwtch.

Wales Forever, or Cymu am Byth for all those who dont speak welsh

Agreed, apart from the troll Roath aka Korean aka dimi aka no smoking etc etc

My god you have issues

Irony

Any reason?

Without getting into a big argument mate it just felt totally bizzare to me.

I cant get my head around the red shirts for starters, and then add to that the atmosphere for a team top
of the league was awful.

We were 4-0 up and Ali said the fourth official has indicated 2 minutes of added time, I looked around and the place was half empty, and people were flooding for the exits.

The kid in front of me had a Barcelona top on and most of the people around me spent most of the game on their phones telling each other the scores from the other games.

It honestly felt like I was at the Cinema at times.

The best thing about going there today was bottles of Heineken for a £1. I should be buzzing, top of the League, 4-0 home win but its not there.

I appreciate other people are getting on with it but its not for me, I know Im not alone.

Without getting into an arguement, some City fans hold this club back at times, we've just won 4-0, 3pts clear at the top and I'm reading this?! Sorry pal, you need to man up and get on with it

Yeah mate, Iv held the club right back by going there since 1988 week and week out and continuing to do so even though Im not enjoying it.

We won 4-0 top of the league, its hollow pal.

Portgcawl Bluebirds? why dont you support the Jacks pal, their your local club, got no time for people who dont support the local club so dont give a f**k what you think anyway.

What an absolute knob head you are!! this club over the last 30 years has struggled against all and everyone who has tried very hard to put the "boot" into us, in all that time we have kept together, looked after each other, especially at some testing away venues. 50% of cardiff city's support has always come from outside the city boundary, that is why we are so unique, being a born and bread valley boy, i am proud to have supported cardiff city for the last 42 years.

Is there any particular point to that post or are you just pissed, f**k off mate eh, im off to Bolton Away next week, pm me if you want to meet up, dont mouty off of here,

I'll also be at bolton, i.ll be meeting up with my mates from all over wales, should i ignore them if they were not born in cardiff???