' RAMSEY SACKED AS WALES CAPTAIN '

And Englishman as captain???
If true I won't be going to the Scotland game

luke,how can he be welsh enough to play for you but not welsh enough to captain you?

If a non-english player played for England would you be happy for them to be captain?

terry butcher wasn,t english born.ok i will give you he lived in england .only williams(or any non born welsh players)know how welsh they feel.of course if a fellow has lived in england for years even if he was born somewhere else then i,d be ok with it.not someone like kevin peiterson in the cricket though or a zola budd type who only plays because of convience.i wouldn,t/don.t want them playing for us never mind being captain.

Since when has the captain had to be the best player you dullards!?

Yeah let's give the captaincy to Gareth bale, possibly the quietest timid footballer on the planet... He can do step overs though.

Ffs the chip you guys have on your shoulders regarding the jacks is embarrassing, it was clear to see as soon as he got the job. Some of you would rather Damon searle as manager, andy legg as captain and Danny gabbidon as coach.... Regardless of results.

It's Wales not Cardiff. Grow up and support the side or go and support England.

f**k off you clown........... ramsey is a key player in the middle for wales with another 10 yrs to go, he also did well under speed..
why not give it to allen then and use him to do the same thing and build for the future... appointing ashley williams is the wrong answer.. he could easily have given it to james collins, or david vaughan, dave edwards...

the fact that coleman and co. are stern swansea fans shows they favour the under performing english born swansea player.

after we get beat by scotland and the campaign evaporates lets see how pleased you are then with your national failure of a coach and his new captain...

The fact you think Williams is under performing and in the same breathe say he could have given it to Collins makes me believe your bias holds no bounds

Fine choice as captain. If he's welsh enough to play for us he's welsh enough to captain us. Simple.

quote from west ham football writer...

"Great to Have Collins Back
The superb victory at Queens Park Rangers, which elevated West Ham to seventh in the Premier League, prompted praise for the likes of Kevin Nolan, Mark Noble and goalscorers Matt Jarvis and Ricardo Vaz Te. But my man of the match ­ and, indeed, my signing of the season so far ­ was James Collins"

williams is not performing well this season and you are blinkered if you believe he is.

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/footballna ... -31937805/


ashley williams " “It’s not been great,” said Williams.

“I’ve been making a few mistakes and conceding goals personally.

Collins has been awful, in fact just as bad as williams. Did you not see his back pass against the jacks?

What's all this captain has to be the best, or on form player anyway? I'm sure I've asked this already.....

no your right..

he needs to be the most influential player on the field... have the respect of all around him and show good willingness, commitment and leadership at all times as well as ideally being one of the best players on the field.. i dont see all this in ashley williams!!

dont get me started on back passes, how many has williams done in the last so many months??

how many goals has he given away?? how many has he stopped??

Since when has the captain had to be the best player you dullards!?

Yeah let's give the captaincy to Gareth bale, possibly the quietest timid footballer on the planet... He can do step overs though.

Ffs the chip you guys have on your shoulders regarding the jacks is embarrassing, it was clear to see as soon as he got the job. Some of you would rather Damon searle as manager, andy legg as captain and Danny gabbidon as coach.... Regardless of results.

It's Wales not Cardiff. Grow up and support the side or go and support England.

f**k off you clown........... ramsey is a key player in the middle for wales with another 10 yrs to go, he also did well under speed..
why not give it to allen then and use him to do the same thing and build for the future... appointing ashley williams is the wrong answer.. he could easily have given it to james collins, or david vaughan, dave edwards...

the fact that coleman and co. are stern swansea fans shows they favour the under performing english born swansea player.

after we get beat by scotland and the campaign evaporates lets see how pleased you are then with your national failure of a coach and his new captain...

The fact you think Williams is under performing and in the same breathe say he could have given it to Collins makes me believe your bias holds no bounds

Fine choice as captain. If he's welsh enough to play for us he's welsh enough to captain us. Simple.

quote from west ham football writer...

"Great to Have Collins Back
The superb victory at Queens Park Rangers, which elevated West Ham to seventh in the Premier League, prompted praise for the likes of Kevin Nolan, Mark Noble and goalscorers Matt Jarvis and Ricardo Vaz Te. But my man of the match ­ and, indeed, my signing of the season so far ­ was James Collins"

williams is not performing well this season and you are blinkered if you believe he is.

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/footballna ... -31937805/


ashley williams " “It’s not been great,” said Williams.

“I’ve been making a few mistakes and conceding goals personally.

Collins has been awful, in fact just as bad as williams. Did you not see his back pass against the jacks?

What's all this captain has to be the best, or on form player anyway? I'm sure I've asked this already.....

It doesnt necessarily but there are different types of Captains. A captain who can be vocal or a captain who can lead the team through their performance. Ramsey falls into the latter and to be honest has all the attributes to be a great captain in the future which is what I think Speed had in mind

no your right..

he needs to be the most influential player on the field... have the respect of all around him and show good willingness, commitment and leadership at all times as well as ideally being one of the best players on the field.. i dont see all this in ashley williams!!

dont get me started on back passes, how many has williams done in the last so many months??

how many goals has he given away?? how many has he stopped??

Absolutely no idea , I dont watch them. But they think he's one of their best players and he's always been a rock when we have played them and usually for Wales. I have no issue with it.

He's a captain of a premier league side, how many of those do we have in our line up?

And Englishman as captain???
If true I won't be going to the Scotland game

luke,how can he be welsh enough to play for you but not welsh enough to captain you?

A captain should be welsh IMO - no doubt.
Really he shouldn't be in the squad your right but the job of captain of any country surely has to be from that country? That's has to be a minimal requirement then it's the best man for the job.

i can see your point but a few questions.what about earnie.?would he be ok to captain wales?also is the thing with the english born players because you think if england had offered them a cap they would have took it?vinny jones went trawling ireland and wales for a cap so i understand the born welsh man to be captain stuff but there may be english born players who have been brought up welsh so to speak.if earnie captained wales i,d say fair play.born in zambia(i think)but raised as a welshman

And Englishman as captain???
If true I won't be going to the Scotland game

luke,how can he be welsh enough to play for you but not welsh enough to captain you?

If a non-english player played for England would you be happy for them to be captain?

terry butcher wasn,t english born.ok i will give you he lived in england .only williams(or any non born welsh players)know how welsh they feel.of course if a fellow has lived in england for years even if he was born somewhere else then i,d be ok with it.not someone like kevin peiterson in the cricket though or a zola budd type who only plays because of convience.i wouldn,t/don.t want them playing for us never mind being captain.

Thats fair but I fit Williams into the category of Peiterson if he had the chance to choose between Wales or England he would have gone with you, thats why I dont agree he should be captain. Its also why I have respect for Shawcross and Turner for turning us down specially Turner as he wont get a call up

no your right..

he needs to be the most influential player on the field... have the respect of all around him and show good willingness, commitment and leadership at all times as well as ideally being one of the best players on the field.. i dont see all this in ashley williams!!

dont get me started on back passes, how many has williams done in the last so many months??

how many goals has he given away?? how many has he stopped??

Absolutely no idea , I dont watch them. But they think he's one of their best players and he's always been a rock when we have played them and usually for Wales. I have no issue with it.

He's a captain of a premier league side, how many of those do we have in our line up?

the reasons wales have performed so badly is nothing to do with the ramsey being the captain, he was captain when we went on a great run towards the end of the last campaign.

the under par performance have been due to the management and his staff, but replacing ramsey as captain, who i have no doubt will be installed again in the future as captain is not good for ramseys or the teams morale... you are basically telling him he is not good..
by replacing him with ashley williams who has personally stated in the last few days, hes not performing well and making poor mistakes in my opinion is not the right leader to take the national team forward for the future, coleman has made a bad error in my opinion and at the moment he needs all the backing and support he can not providing more ammunition for the fans.

And Englishman as captain???
If true I won't be going to the Scotland game

luke,how can he be welsh enough to play for you but not welsh enough to captain you?

A captain should be welsh IMO - no doubt.
Really he shouldn't be in the squad your right but the job of captain of any country surely has to be from that country? That's has to be a minimal requirement then it's the best man for the job.

i can see your point but a few questions.what about earnie.?would he be ok to captain wales?also is the thing with the english born players because you think if england had offered them a cap they would have took it?vinny jones went trawling ireland and wales for a cap so i understand the born welsh man to be captain stuff but there may be english born players who have been brought up welsh so to speak.if earnie captained wales i,d say fair play.born in zambia(i think)but raised as a welshman

Earnie shouldn't be captain because he isn't a captain but he was brought up welsh, I don't believe Williams was.

Never really thought about the "if England gave them a cap" so I'd say no and besides England can't cap them now and it hasn't changed my opinion on the player.

I just think it should be a Welshman.
The point of Ramsey was he would be captain for the next 10 years + and would learn the role. We didnt lose games because Ramsey was captain.

no your right..

he needs to be the most influential player on the field... have the respect of all around him and show good willingness, commitment and leadership at all times as well as ideally being one of the best players on the field.. i dont see all this in ashley williams!!

dont get me started on back passes, how many has williams done in the last so many months??

how many goals has he given away?? how many has he stopped??

Absolutely no idea , I dont watch them. But they think he's one of their best players and he's always been a rock when we have played them and usually for Wales. I have no issue with it.

He's a captain of a premier league side, how many of those do we have in our line up?

the reasons wales have performed so badly is nothing to do with the ramsey being the captain, he was captain when we went on a great run towards the end of the last campaign.

the under par performance have been due to the management and his staff, but replacing ramsey as captain, who i have no doubt will be installed again in the future as captain is not good for ramseys or the teams morale... you are basically telling him he is not good..
by replacing him with ashley williams who has personally stated in the last few days, hes not performing well and making poor mistakes in my opinion is not the right leader to take the national team forward for the future, coleman has made a bad error in my opinion and at the moment he needs all the backing and support he can not providing more ammunition for the fans.

Nobody is saying we are performing badly because of Ramseys captaining ability. But neither is it down to the management. We had bad runs under speed too. In fact speed took Sheffield utd to the bottom of the league, was that because he was a bad manager? Didn't he all get off to a terrible start as Wales boss?

We have a new manager come in, new ideas and new faces. It isn't going to click straight away. Not to mention the squad having to cope with the fact their ex boss and mate is dead everytime they turn up or Wales meetings, you have seen the effect it's had on bellers. To put all that at the feet of colemans managerial ability is a wild claim in my opinion.

Williams is a captain at the highest level of club football, Ramsey isn't. And Coleman has a far better managerial success rate than speed had.

Not sure what planet you live on but Williams has cost Wales goal after goal for Wales and has been very average even in our good form.


As for Coleman, Stevie wonder could have set us up better against a Serbia team who were struggling to score

Not sure what planet you live on but Williams has cost Wales goal after goal for Wales and has been very average even in our good form.


As for Coleman, Stevie wonder could have set us up better against a Serbia team who were struggling to score

Examples regarding Williams? I fail to remember him costing Wales goals anymore than any other Wales centre backs, in fact a lot less than gabbidon or Collins did.

Also try and attach YouTube clips as judging from this thread so far I may have to judge for myself as there is a lot of bias flying around.

Not sure what planet you live on but Williams has cost Wales goal after goal for Wales and has been very average even in our good form.


As for Coleman, Stevie wonder could have set us up better against a Serbia team who were struggling to score

Examples regarding Williams? I fail to remember him costing Wales goals anymore than any other Wales centre backs, in fact a lot less than gabbidon or Collins did.

I'm not going to go back through the games. If you can't remember him making a number of mistakes I question the number of games you have watched.

As for Collins, yes I agree he shouldn't be captain. Infact shouldn't be in the squad.
Gabbidon? Who cares he rarely gets a call up? Or are you making this a cardiff v Swansea thing for some reasons

Not sure what planet you live on but Williams has cost Wales goal after goal for Wales and has been very average even in our good form.


As for Coleman, Stevie wonder could have set us up better against a Serbia team who were struggling to score

Examples regarding Williams? I fail to remember him costing Wales goals anymore than any other Wales centre backs, in fact a lot less than gabbidon or Collins did.

Also try and attach YouTube clips as judging from this thread so far I may have to judge for myself as there is a lot of bias flying around.

Last game I remember was the Bosnia game he cost us then

Not sure what planet you live on but Williams has cost Wales goal after goal for Wales and has been very average even in our good form.


As for Coleman, Stevie wonder could have set us up better against a Serbia team who were struggling to score

Examples regarding Williams? I fail to remember him costing Wales goals anymore than any other Wales centre backs, in fact a lot less than gabbidon or Collins did.

I'm not going to go back through the games. If you can't remember him making a number of mistakes I question the number of games you have watched.

As for Collins, yes I agree he shouldn't be captain. Infact shouldn't be in the squad.
Gabbidon? Who cares he rarely gets a call up? Or are you making this a cardiff v Swansea thing for some reasons

Well if you don't want to divulge or back up your opinion then I hope you understand why I will ignore it.

As for Collins and gabbidon,they were the last vpcenter back pairing, nothing to do with Swansea Cardiff.

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And Englishman as captain???
If true I won't be going to the Scotland game

luke,how can he be welsh enough to play for you but not welsh enough to captain you?

A captain should be welsh IMO - no doubt.
Really he shouldn't be in the squad your right but the job of captain of any country surely has to be from that country? That's has to be a minimal requirement then it's the best man for the job.

i can see your point but a few questions.what about earnie.?would he be ok to captain wales?also is the thing with the english born players because you think if england had offered them a cap they would have took it?vinny jones went trawling ireland and wales for a cap so i understand the born welsh man to be captain stuff but there may be english born players who have been brought up welsh so to speak.if earnie captained wales i,d say fair play.born in zambia(i think)but raised as a welshman

Earnie shouldn't be captain because he isn't a captain but he was brought up welsh, I don't believe Williams was.

Never really thought about the "if England gave them a cap" so I'd say no and besides England can't cap them now and it hasn't changed my opinion on the player.

I just think it should be a Welshman.
The point of Ramsey was he would be captain for the next 10 years + and would learn the role. We didnt lose games because Ramsey was captain.

if earnie was captain material then if i was welsh i,d be happy to see him lead the nation as he is welsh by his upbringing.same goes for an english boy in the same circumstnces.williams prob shouldn,t be playing for wales imo.i reckon only as far back as parents.prob for you is he,s classed as welsh now and if he thought he was been deined the job on the basis of been english born and could prove the it there would be all kind of ructions.on a plus note for williams my g/f says he is still well thought of at her club.hednesford town ramsey is back in form.do you take the pressure off him and pass the armband on or say grow into it more as you get older and keep it on?i go with the latter one .i can see your point though luke

Not sure what planet you live on but Williams has cost Wales goal after goal for Wales and has been very average even in our good form.


As for Coleman, Stevie wonder could have set us up better against a Serbia team who were struggling to score

Examples regarding Williams? I fail to remember him costing Wales goals anymore than any other Wales centre backs, in fact a lot less than gabbidon or Collins did.

I'm not going to go back through the games. If you can't remember him making a number of mistakes I question the number of games you have watched.

As for Collins, yes I agree he shouldn't be captain. Infact shouldn't be in the squad.
Gabbidon? Who cares he rarely gets a call up? Or are you making this a cardiff v Swansea thing for some reasons

Well if you don't want to divulge or back up your opinion then I hope you understand why I will ignore it.

As fit Collins and gabbidon,they were the last vpcenter back pairing, nothing to do with Swansea Cardiff.

Couldn't care less what you ignore, I've seen the games.

Thanks for reminiscing, totally irrelevant but cheers.

Always preferred a cm as captain myself can have an effect all over the field.

Not sure what planet you live on but Williams has cost Wales goal after goal for Wales and has been very average even in our good form.


As for Coleman, Stevie wonder could have set us up better against a Serbia team who were struggling to score

Examples regarding Williams? I fail to remember him costing Wales goals anymore than any other Wales centre backs, in fact a lot less than gabbidon or Collins did.

I'm not going to go back through the games. If you can't remember him making a number of mistakes I question the number of games you have watched.

As for Collins, yes I agree he shouldn't be captain. Infact shouldn't be in the squad.
Gabbidon? Who cares he rarely gets a call up? Or are you making this a cardiff v Swansea thing for some reasons

Well if you don't want to divulge or back up your opinion then I hope you understand why I will ignore it.

As fit Collins and gabbidon,they were the last vpcenter back pairing, nothing to do with Swansea Cardiff.

Couldn't care less what you ignore, I've seen the games.

Me too. I would quite happily have prior knowledge to key mistakes however should I have a public gripe about someone, I wouldn't have to revise or go back.

Thanks for reminiscing, totally irrelevant but cheers.

No it's not, Wales are a team that is usually unnder pressure through most matches, if Williams makes less mistakes than the previous pairing whom not many people had an issue with then it suggests he's one of our better ones.

Always preferred a cm as captain myself can have an effect all over the field

Which is probably why Coleman is an international manager and you are not..

Coleman an international manager, I'm yet to see any proof of that

Maybe Roy Hodgson isn't either - Gerrard

Or Spain the success story of international football with a goalkeeper as captain

And Englishman as captain???
If true I won't be going to the Scotland game

luke,how can he be welsh enough to play for you but not welsh enough to captain you?

If a non-english player played for England would you be happy for them to be captain?

terry butcher wasn,t english born.ok i will give you he lived in england .only williams(or any non born welsh players)know how welsh they feel.of course if a fellow has lived in england for years even if he was born somewhere else then i,d be ok with it.not someone like kevin peiterson in the cricket though or a zola budd type who only plays because of convience.i wouldn,t/don.t want them playing for us never mind being captain.

Thats fair but I fit Williams into the category of Peiterson if he had the chance to choose between Wales or England he would have gone with you, thats why I dont agree he should be captain. Its also why I have respect for Shawcross and Turner for turning us down specially Turner as he wont get a call up

Coleman an international manager, I'm yet to see any proof of that

Maybe Roy Hodgson isn't either - Gerrard

Or Spain the success story of international football with a goalkeeper as captain

What an odd thing to say.

Coleman an international manager, I'm yet to see any proof of that

Maybe Roy Hodgson isn't either - Gerrard

Or Spain the success story of international football with a goalkeeper as captain

What an odd thing to say.

Why?

Coleman an international manager, I'm yet to see any proof of that

Maybe Roy Hodgson isn't either - Gerrard

Or Spain the success story of international football with a goalkeeper as captain

What an odd thing to say.

Why?

Because it isn't an opinion he's an international manager, it's a fact.

Coleman an international manager, I'm yet to see any proof of that

Maybe Roy Hodgson isn't either - Gerrard

Or Spain the success story of international football with a goalkeeper as captain

What an odd thing to say.

Why?

Because it isn't an opinion he's an international manager, it's a fact.

Just because he is doesnt mean hes good at making decisions He only got the job cause hes welsh and cheap

Coleman an international manager, I'm yet to see any proof of that

Maybe Roy Hodgson isn't either - Gerrard

Or Spain the success story of international football with a goalkeeper as captain

What an odd thing to say.

Why?

Because it isn't an opinion he's an international manager, it's a fact.

Yes he is but I'm sure even you could manage to lose every game and take the biggest defeat in years (to a team who couldn't score) with all your expert experience

Coleman an international manager, I'm yet to see any proof of that

Maybe Roy Hodgson isn't either - Gerrard

Or Spain the success story of international football with a goalkeeper as captain

What an odd thing to say.

Why?

Because it isn't an opinion he's an international manager, it's a fact.

Just because he is doesnt mean hes good at making decisions He only got the job cause hes welsh and cheap

Again thats your opinion and not a fact.

The fact is he is an I tern atonal manager and a manager with a much better cv than the previous incumbent.

Williams has never impressed me too much playing for Wales. His head is always one of the first to go down when we are playing poorly, so how can Coleman make him captain. Mind you their aren't many candidates out there, but if he were fit, I'd have Hennessay as captain. Only one that seems to encourage players (apart from Bellamy) in my opinion.

Ramsey should never have been captain.

He should be allowed to just concentrate on playing without the burden of captaincy which should be given to a more senior player.

A more senior player? Nonsense.

Fabregas captained Arsenal at 21. Ramsey is now 21.

Ramsey is not a child and has played at a high level for a while now. As for Williams, he hasn't. Case closed.

Its not how long you've been around but what you've done with the time you've had that counts.

Ramsey should never have been captain.

He should be allowed to just concentrate on playing without the burden of captaincy which should be given to a more senior player.

A more senior player? Nonsense.

Fabregas captained Arsenal at 21. Ramsey is now 21.

Ramsey is not a child and has played at a high level for a while now. As for Williams, he hasn't. Case closed.

Its not how long you've been around but what you've done with the time you've had that counts.

What has Ramsey done then? Apart from being a scape goat for gunners fans?

I for one dont want that fat English Jack b*stard as captain of my country

100% disagree.
I can just about let it go having a Englishman in the team if they are proud to play for us but never ever ever a captain
Why not make Bale or Allen captain if he who cant manage don't want Ramsey.

Because neither of them have the ability to lead a team or be captain. Regardless of his couple of mistakes, Ashley Williams has captained a Premier League side for the majority of the last season when Monk and Tate haven't played whilst Ramsey is quite simply not a captain.

As for the argument that he's English, he's Welsh enough to play for the team so why shouldn't he be captain when he is the best leader in the team. He is obviously proud to be Welsh, turning up time and time again when so called proud Welshman like Gareth Bale have dropped out of the squad due to 'injury'. Hopefully he does make the games in the international break, but he is really struggling with an ankle injury, match fitness and illness.

He's the captain of Wales,
He's the captain of Wales,
Ashley Williams,
He's the captain of Wales.