Langston Turn down latest offer

Sam lied about where the money was from, VT has not......thats the big difference so far.

That does not matter its still loans as we speak from both partys only one man wants his cash back without the intrest ontop and the other has promised to convert all his loans in to equity if this happens, yes vt has more money than sam everybody knows this but if this is the case and he wants a return on his money then surely the 1st thing he needs to do is f**k sam off to start doing what hes promised to us all or we just carry on rolling on loans forever if not

Sam lied about where the money was from, VT has not......thats the big difference so far.

That does not matter its still loans as we speak from both partys only one man wants his cash back without the intrest ontop and the other has promised to convert all his loans in to equity if this happens, yes vt has more money than sam everybody knows this but if this is the case and he wants a return on his money then surely the 1st thing he needs to do is f**k sam off to start doing what hes promised to us all or we just carry on rolling on loans forever if not

the thing is tan has no hope of getting any of his money back unless we are in the premiership that must be agood thing for us then he can sell us as agoing concern to someone in china maybe

Why don't us fans let SH know with a chant at the ground?? Put heat on him??

you would have to be pretty loud to be heard across the world.

Sam has always moved the goalposts. He nearly put us under when he left knowing that the club had to pay the extra or we were hours from destruction.

We still have not got an answer as to why the £10million requirement became £10million PLUS £5million on promotion. The promotion bonus was NEVER mentioned when Sam's wishes hit the press. He is aware that VT could make a mint on promotion and he doesn't want to miss out.

I have slowly moved away from Sam's side on this. It seems his wishes were met and when he moved the goalposts the club moved again but obviously not far enough for Sam.

As for the 7% interest, who in their right mind would loan a company money WITHOUT such a stipulation, especially as others were getting similar. The interest becomes a mute point and is not paid should the loan become equity but if the equity switch is not possible due to not paying off Sam then they have a right to interest just like all the other bloodsuckers.

It is such a mess, the club know a court could judge the loans illegal as a Judge has already said he thinks it will come out that Sam is Langston. So why would the club not go to court? I would assume it is because the club will be then be under investigation by the FA during the period when Sam leant himself money. We will not want fines, point deductions or even relegation, remember Swindon.

It's a friggin' mess with both sides having an upper hand AND being under pressure at the same time. I would think this could run until the close of the loan market in November at the earliest.

Why don't us fans let SH know with a chant at the ground?? Put heat on him??

Please stay out of my threads. Mr brown is the only one to make me laugh on this forum like this.

If Vt takes three weeks to get a reply from his legal team what hope we got of getting a lifeless CCS chant going for him to hear, i mean wtf

I love the way all those on here who slate the Malaysians keep stum about Sam when he's holding up the deal

One thing i'm noticing now is that for all Sams spin doctoring and tales of
how he loves us all dearly. Everyone is seeing through it. He no longer has
a 'support base' of fans. Just a handful of personal friends who believe
him (or dont know him well enough NOT to believe him)

The tide has turned.

If this isnt sorted soon, any lingering respect the fan base had for Sam will
be gone for ever and i'd cringe at the kind of reception he'd get if he ever
did show his face in the ground (or City) again. It could be embarrassing
for him.

Sad end.

One thing i'm noticing now is that for all Sams spin doctoring and tales of
how he loves us all dearly. Everyone is seeing through it. He no longer has
a 'support base' of fans. Just a handful of personal friends who believe
him (or dont know him well enough NOT to believe him)

The tide has turned.

If this isnt sorted soon, any lingering respect the fan base had for Sam will
be gone for ever and i'd cringe at the kind of reception he'd get if he ever
did show his face in the ground (or City) again. It could be embarrassing
for him.

Sad end.

Its looking that way

7% on a business loan in the current climate on a business with CCFC's credit rating is a fantastic rate!

If he converts to equity and sells us for a trillion its only good news for us!

Then VT is no diffrent to sam then if thats the case loaning money on an intrest basis if he does not cover his promise of debt to equity

apart from the fact VT has always said its loans at the moment.....Sam said it was his money and the debt would leave with him!

And 7% back then was astronomical due to the fact we weren't in debt so our credit rating was a lot better.

But we are still being hilted up with loans though it makes no diffrence where its from or who its from rite now as we speak we are running on somebodys loans VT can do what he wants when he wants weather its players,training ground ect ect it can all be claimed back by himself on something he done himself when the time comes so in my eyes hes no diffrent to sam, he will want paying. Thats what i can not understand about are fans. All owners are the same. Its just some fans only want see players on the pitch

Difference between Tan and Hammam is like a 'friend in need'

Your on your arse. Struggling. Your mate keeps slipping you a few quid "dont worry
about it, I dont want it back" this goes on for a few years. then you suddenly get a
bailiff at the door asking for your mates LOAN back. BIG debt. Your fucked. He
takes you to County Court. (some mate)

Tans doing the same, EXCEPT for a big difference... he's TELLING you he will want
it back one day.

I know which I'd prefer

think it might have been turned down due to the small print called t and c s.......now how many of us have been caught out in this way ...or how many of us even read the small print...i bet theres conditions attached to the offer OR conditions attached to an acceptance ...that we know nothing about sshhhhh

There is two sides to any argument. Not saying i trust Sam i don't know the bloke. Just i don't trust the Tan thats for sure.

There is two sides to any argument. Not saying i trust Sam i don't know the bloke. Just i don't trust the Tan thats for sure.

But the thread is about paying off the Langston debt. Trust doesn't come into it. All the offers put to Sam are public knowledge with both sides admitting to their existence. The only mistrust in all this is the change of what Sam would accept which went from £10m to £10m + £5m

Castleblue, on the one hand you say you don't know Sam, and you can't say if you trust him or not, and yet , you don,t know Tan, and yet you say you don,t trust him, bit of a Paradox that.

There is two sides to any argument. Not saying i trust Sam i don't know the bloke. Just i don't trust the Tan thats for sure.

But the thread is about paying off the Langston debt. Trust doesn't come into it. All the offers put to Sam are public knowledge with both sides admitting to their existence. The only mistrust in all this is the change of what Sam would accept which went from £10m to £10m + £5m

Dont you mean Nukes ? No i dont trust the Malaysians as far as i can throw them. But that is my opinion only

Yep my mistake,

There is two sides to any argument. Not saying i trust Sam i don't know the bloke. Just i don't trust the Tan thats for sure.

Thats a contradiction in terms.

You dont 'distrust' Sam cos you dont 'know him'.....

How well do you know Tan??

Serious question though... Did you believe Sam when he said years ago that the money he
was spending was HIS and not a loan, and that "when he left, any debt would leave with him"

I did. Thats MY reason for not trusting him now

SAM HAMMAM YOU DICKHEAD!!!!!!! You say that you love the club! My arse!!!! You have been offered deal after deal and reasonable deals at that!! YET BY REFUSING TO ACCEPT YOU HAVE LOST ANY CREDIBILITY YOU MAY HAVE ONCE HAD! FOOL!! Making the fans and the club suffer!!!

7% on a business loan in the current climate on a business with CCFC's credit rating is a fantastic rate!

If he converts to equity and sells us for a trillion its only good news for us!

Then VT is no diffrent to sam then if thats the case loaning money on an intrest basis if he does not cover his promise of debt to equity

apart from the fact VT has always said its loans at the moment.....Sam said it was his money and the debt would leave with him!

And 7% back then was astronomical due to the fact we weren't in debt so our credit rating was a lot better.

But we are still being hilted up with loans though it makes no diffrence where its from or who its from rite now as we speak we are running on somebodys loans VT can do what he wants when he wants weather its players,training ground ect ect it can all be claimed back by himself on something he done himself when the time comes so in my eyes hes no diffrent to sam, he will want paying. Thats what i can not understand about are fans. All owners are the same. Its just some fans only want see players on the pitch

Difference between Tan and Hammam is like a 'friend in need'

Your on your arse. Struggling. Your mate keeps slipping you a few quid "dont worry
about it, I dont want it back" this goes on for a few years. then you suddenly get a
bailiff at the door asking for your mates LOAN back. BIG debt. Your fucked. He
takes you to County Court. (some mate)

Tans doing the same, EXCEPT for a big difference... he's TELLING you he will want
it back one day.

I know which I'd prefer

This still does not cover up the fact we are being hilted up with loans AGAIN no matter who it is sam or vt this is whats going on to this very day. We will have to pay back one way or the other, weather sam said its his money or not. Thats like me saying at last seasons AGM we was told VT would convert the last loan at the time in to equity yet it wasnt done as promised or even to this day. So there no diffrent taffy on the trust issue you mention. When will people realise this.

Last edited by Bluebird1977 on Wed Aug 22, 2012 4:11 pm, edited 1 time in total.

SAM HAMMAM YOU DICKHEAD!!!!!!! You say that you love the club! My arse!!!! You have been offered deal after deal and reasonable deals at that!! YET BY REFUSING TO ACCEPT YOU HAVE LOST ANY CREDIBILITY YOU MAY HAVE ONCE HAD! FOOL!! Making the fans and the club suffer!!!

Calm down

He's not REALLY making anyone suffer. He'll be gone soon enough and
debt to equity will happen

There is two sides to any argument. Not saying i trust Sam i don't know the bloke. Just i don't trust the Tan thats for sure.

Thats a contradiction in terms.

You dont 'distrust' Sam cos you dont 'know him'.....

How well do you know Tan??

Serious question though... Did you believe Sam when he said years ago that the money he
was spending was HIS and not a loan, and that "when he left, any debt would leave with him"

I did. Thats MY reason for not trusting him now

Lot wiser now but yes i foolishly believed him mate. But nobody gives you anything for nowt. In terms of what i said earlier trusting Tan when they clearly lied by saying we will be in blue this season and something tells me they aint to be trusted. To shifty for me

Why don't us fans let SH know with a chant at the ground?? Put heat on him??

Please stay out of my threads. Mr brown is the only one to make me laugh on this forum like this.

If Vt takes three weeks to get a reply from his legal team what hope we got of getting a lifeless CCS chant going for him to hear, i mean wtf

I say this as i believe he may think that some fans are still behind him. The fans and perhaps Echo articles will finally persuade him his time is up.

As to him getting the message halfway around the world?? Cue Annis, Carl and Gwynn

Why don't us fans let SH know with a chant at the ground?? Put heat on him??

Please stay out of my threads. Mr brown is the only one to make me laugh on this forum like this.

If Vt takes three weeks to get a reply from his legal team what hope we got of getting a lifeless CCS chant going for him to hear, i mean wtf

I say this as i believe he may think that some fans are still behind him. The fans and perhaps Echo articles will finally persuade him his time is up.

As to him getting the message halfway around the world?? Cue Annis, Carl and Gwynn

Be a waste of time it will, as for your mentioning of carl, annis, gwyn there nowhere to be seen in this thread dont know if you noticed to even put the message across as you put it if they have already not, not that sam listens to them anyway why would he

Forget any special role for Sam within the city,,,,, as soon as he has gone the better

One thing i'm noticing now is that for all Sams spin doctoring and tales of
how he loves us all dearly. Everyone is seeing through it. He no longer has
a 'support base' of fans. Just a handful of personal friends who believe
him (or dont know him well enough NOT to believe him)

The tide has turned.

If this isnt sorted soon, any lingering respect the fan base had for Sam will
be gone for ever and i'd cringe at the kind of reception he'd get if he ever
did show his face in the ground (or City) again. It could be embarrassing
for him.

Sad end.

Is this what the Malaysians want? To destroy any memory of Mr Hammamm so are they pushing him?
Like wise vice versa

So he gets back to TG and says no on the latest offer, oh well we carry on this episode like a soap story from eastenders, i wonder how much it will cost if we get to the prem

carl /annis say nothing. sam told them to.

Ok then y don't Sam just come out in the press I say I want so much once and for all say 10 million now and 5 million if we get up in the next 3 seasons 4 example then if vt is relly in this for the long term then pay it and tell Sam to f**k off and forget the life president offer to the . Coz he don't give to shirts bout the club or fans just tryin to look out for him self now Sam u have lots all respect of fans coz u keep moving the goal posts

Lost not lots my mistake

Just to say that the judge never said any of the things claimed in this thread about SH and Langston.

Just to say that the judge never said any of the things claimed in this thread about SH and Langston.

he said that theres a real probability that sam is langstone fact!

Just to say that the judge never said any of the things claimed in this thread about SH and Langston.

he said that theres a real probability that sam is langstone fact!

Just saying fact does not make it so.

In his judgment, J. Briggs said:

"The Club’s evidence discloses a real prospect that it will be established at trial that Langston’s governing mind and will at all material times was that of a Mr Sam Hammam."

This was summary judgement application, not trial. The actual documents were not seen. But the club argued in pleadings (the club's evidence) that, in a trial, they would show this to be the case. Therefore this was an argument that the application for summary judgement should be turned down. The judge agreed.

The judge did NOT give judgement that SH is Langston. That, my friend, is a fact.