Cardiff beat QPR to Bellamy signing

Another £1.5 million added to the wage bill every year.

We are on a roll in this next stop liquidation steam train

you are starting to realy piss me off .they havent even signed him and you are having a go.do you go to the games or just sit at home moaning get a life you are on here to mutch.

He certainly could be the difference. As could many premiership players could to other championship clubs, but they don't sign them coz they cant afford them which could end up in crippling their club.

The last time he was here he had younger legs and still couldn't make the difference in us going up. Fail this to,e and that could be the end of us

I'd rather not gamble with the future of our club personally.

Neither would many of us but with the level of debt right now we have to go for promotion. Your ideas would just send us backwards and would also see us go out of buisness

Backwards yes, out of business no. And that's the key.

Theres no point in going forwards if it means you will cease to exist as a result.

He certainly could be the difference. As could many premiership players could to other championship clubs, but they don't sign them coz they cant afford them which could end up in crippling their club.

The last time he was here he had younger legs and still couldn't make the difference in us going up. Fail this to,e and that could be the end of us

I'd rather not gamble with the future of our club personally.

Neither would many of us but with the level of debt right now we have to go for promotion. Your ideas would just send us backwards and would also see us go out of buisness

Backwards yes, out of business no. And that's the key.

Theres no point in going forwards if it means you will cease to exist as a result.

No we would still go out of buisness. If we went into admin we dont have enough assets to pay of the debt so would end up like portsmouth. Selling all our players would just see us slide down the leagues where we would have less crowds and less income therefore being in the exact same position now just at a lower level and still facing the same problems

He certainly could be the difference. As could many premiership players could to other championship clubs, but they don't sign them coz they cant afford them which could end up in crippling their club.

The last time he was here he had younger legs and still couldn't make the difference in us going up. Fail this to,e and that could be the end of us

I'd rather not gamble with the future of our club personally.

Neither would many of us but with the level of debt right now we have to go for promotion. Your ideas would just send us backwards and would also see us go out of buisness

Backwards yes, out of business no. And that's the key.

Theres no point in going forwards if it means you will cease to exist as a result.

No we would still go out of buisness. If we went into admin we dont have enough assets to pay of the debt so would end up like portsmouth. Selling all our players would just see us slide down the leagues where we would have less crowds and less income therefore being in the exact same position now just at a lower level and still facing the same problems

Our debt currently stands at around 58 million if you accept that Sam will take 10 million.

First things first we need to get rid of these players on anything more than 8k a week. I think we have £20 mill worth of players plus whatever we can do on the stadium.

If we don't have the assets to cover the debt it won't mean we become insolvent. Administration can be in the form of a cva in which the people you owe have to accept to pay what you can afford to write off the debt, if they don't agree then they get hardly anything as the club goes under. Why would they do that when they can get most back through a cva?

However once tan becomes the sole creditor with over £100 m owed to him, there really is no way back from that.

He certainly could be the difference. As could many premiership players could to other championship clubs, but they don't sign them coz they cant afford them which could end up in crippling their club.

The last time he was here he had younger legs and still couldn't make the difference in us going up. Fail this to,e and that could be the end of us

I'd rather not gamble with the future of our club personally.

Neither would many of us but with the level of debt right now we have to go for promotion. Your ideas would just send us backwards and would also see us go out of buisness

Backwards yes, out of business no. And that's the key.

Theres no point in going forwards if it means you will cease to exist as a result.

No we would still go out of buisness. If we went into admin we dont have enough assets to pay of the debt so would end up like portsmouth. Selling all our players would just see us slide down the leagues where we would have less crowds and less income therefore being in the exact same position now just at a lower level and still facing the same problems

Our debt currently stands at around 58 million if you accept that Sam will take 10 million.

First things first we need to get rid of these players on anything more than 8k a week. I think we have £20 mill worth of players plus whatever we can do on the stadium.

If we don't have the assets to cover the debt it won't mean we become insolvent. Administration can be in the form of a cva in which the people you owe have to accept to pay what you can afford to write off the debt, if they don't agree then they get hardly anything as the club goes under. Why would they do that when they can get most back through a cva?

However once tan becomes the sole creditor with over £100 m owed to him, there really is no way back from that.

I wouldnt say we have £20 million worth of players and if we entered admin we wouldnt get anywhere near the asking price for them. As someone mentioned earlier I think the council put a hold on selling the stadium for 20 years not sure thats true or would count if the club entered admin so dont hold me on that.

If Tan did become sole creditor of £100 million why would he send us under when he would get hardly anything back. Also I thought the debt stood between £70-80 million

Another £1.5 million added to the wage bill every year.

We are on a roll in this next stop liquidation steam train

and you wonder why people want to get rid of you from here do yourself a favour stop stating the bloody obvious as always! as far as your concerned we shouldnt spend a penny as we are billions in debt and need to get rid of all our players by selling them, then use trainies at 6£ an hour and live within our means on 6k supporters! as you keep telling everyone time after time tell us something we dont know????

It stands at 70-80 million because we officially owe Sam £24 million although in reality its £10 million.

Once tans investment is in place we have 1 season to go up, this one. If not then there's no way he will put another £17 million in to cover the shortfall as it makes no business sense to do so. Once he asset strips and get out of the club we will struggle to pay our daily running costs of the club as it will be done over such a short period of time. This alone could make us insolvent as the pot will be empty.

Another £1.5 million added to the wage bill every year.

We are on a roll in this next stop liquidation steam train

and you wonder why people want to get rid of you from here do yourself a favour stop stating the bloody obvious as always! as far as your concerned we shouldnt spend a penny as we are billions in debt and need to get rid of all our players by selling them, then use trainies at 6£ an hour and live within our means on 6k supporters! as you keep telling everyone time after time tell us something we dont know????

Swansea got promoted by living within their means, only spending what they as a club earn with a strict wage budget.

There is no argument that this is not possible to do as they have proved it can be.

It stands at 70-80 million because we officially owe Sam £24 million although in reality its £10 million.

Once tans investment is in place we have 1 season to go up, this one. If not then there's no way he will put another £17 million in to cover the shortfall as it makes no business sense to do so. Once he asset strips and get out of the club we will struggle to pay our daily running costs of the club as it will be done over such a short period of time. This alone could make us insolvent as the pot will be empty.

You have no proof that this is Tans plan and therefore just using it as sensless scaremongring. If Tan was ready to jump ship he wouldnt have brought in the rebranding

It stands at 70-80 million because we officially owe Sam £24 million although in reality its £10 million.

Once tans investment is in place we have 1 season to go up, this one. If not then there's no way he will put another £17 million in to cover the shortfall as it makes no business sense to do so. Once he asset strips and get out of the club we will struggle to pay our daily running costs of the club as it will be done over such a short period of time. This alone could make us insolvent as the pot will be empty.

You have no proof that this is Tans plan and therefore just using it as sensless scaremongring. If Tan was ready to jump ship he wouldnt have brought in the rebranding

You don't have any proof that this isn't the plan.

All we can go on is what we know, his history and what's the most likely outcome. We know he's an astute businessman so why would he throw £100 million away, 15% of his total personal wealth? The simple answer is he certainly won't. Can he get this kind of money back by realistic on field success? Absolutely not. So what is the only other way he can get his money back.....

The rebranding looks more likely to be a tool to make it easier to offload the club to Chinese business,en when he's done. Otherwise, as said by many - it makes no sense.

Yes but we were paying them both last year. Dave Jones, his staff plus Malky and his staff. Do you work at the stadium? Do you know the costs of shirts to make etc? what website states we sold 9,000 shirts last year at a profit of £45k? Im amazed at how you're able to roll these facts off, it's as if you work for the club?

We also got to a cup final last year. Income has been aroun £14-£15 million for a few years now. Wage bill has steadily increased and over the last few years has settled around the £16 million mark. These are facts.

No I don't work at the stadium, nor does that matter. We don't make the shirts we order them, we sell them and the supplier takes the majority of the cut. I know this as I've worked in a company that supplied kits before. The figure of 9000 was quoted to me by a member of the club. This is not a shockin figure, it's about average for a club our size.

A quick google search will probably tell you the profit clubs make off shirt sales. It's next to nothing,

anyone can quote google but nobody does except you! why is it so important to you ??? like said before every thread you indulge in you have to prove you are right! i asked simple question normal people would except it for what it was, but you asked for a link why? it was only a question just a simple question after all this is a forum for people to debate things not to see who is right or wrong, take look at your threads garauntee most have you useing stats from anywhere you can find them just to prove point, but in truth nobody actually cares as they are just here to debate things ce la vie

It stands at 70-80 million because we officially owe Sam £24 million although in reality its £10 million.

Once tans investment is in place we have 1 season to go up, this one. If not then there's no way he will put another £17 million in to cover the shortfall as it makes no business sense to do so. Once he asset strips and get out of the club we will struggle to pay our daily running costs of the club as it will be done over such a short period of time. This alone could make us insolvent as the pot will be empty.

You have no proof that this is Tans plan and therefore just using it as sensless scaremongring. If Tan was ready to jump ship he wouldnt have brought in the rebranding

You don't have any proof that this isn't the plan.

Brilliant answer

All we can go on is what we know, his history and what's the most likely outcome. We know he's an astute businessman so why would he throw £100 million away, 15% of his total personal wealth? The simple answer is he certainly won't. Can he get this kind of money back by realistic on field success? Absolutely not. So what is the only other way he can get his money back.....

He hasnt invested the full £100 million, £30 million will be probably be spent on the stadium expansion and training ground which has been stated wont be built till we get to the prem. So if we fail to make it this year he could easily use that money to cover us for another 2 years at least. Then if we make it he will be gaining the £90 million prize that comes with the premier league

The rebranding looks more likely to be a tool to make it easier to offload the club to Chinese business,en when he's done. Otherwise, as said by many - it makes no sense.
Of course thats the whole point of the rebranding from day one. Tan hasnt got the money to be able for us to compete at the top level regularly. By advertising us to Chinese buiness men he can bring in rich buyers to either gain shares and help pay or too take over

Yes but we were paying them both last year. Dave Jones, his staff plus Malky and his staff. Do you work at the stadium? Do you know the costs of shirts to make etc? what website states we sold 9,000 shirts last year at a profit of £45k? Im amazed at how you're able to roll these facts off, it's as if you work for the club?

We also got to a cup final last year. Income has been aroun £14-£15 million for a few years now. Wage bill has steadily increased and over the last few years has settled around the £16 million mark. These are facts.

No I don't work at the stadium, nor does that matter. We don't make the shirts we order them, we sell them and the supplier takes the majority of the cut. I know this as I've worked in a company that supplied kits before. The figure of 9000 was quoted to me by a member of the club. This is not a shockin figure, it's about average for a club our size.

A quick google search will probably tell you the profit clubs make off shirt sales. It's next to nothing,

anyone can quote google but nobody does except you! why is it so important to you ??? like said before every threa
d you indulge in you have to prove you are right! i asked simple question normal people would except it for what it was, but you asked for a link why? it was only a question just a simple question after all this is a forum for people to debate things not to see who is right or wrong, take look at your threads garauntee most have you useing stats from anywhere you can find them just to prove point, but in truth nobody actually cares as they are just here to debate things ce la vie

I've never met someone with such an aversion to substantiating your point before. It's honestly bizarre.

It stands at 70-80 million because we officially owe Sam £24 million although in reality its £10 million.

Once tans investment is in place we have 1 season to go up, this one. If not then there's no way he will put another £17 million in to cover the shortfall as it makes no business sense to do so. Once he asset strips and get out of the club we will struggle to pay our daily running costs of the club as it will be done over such a short period of time. This alone could make us insolvent as the pot will be empty.

You have no proof that this is Tans plan and therefore just using it as sensless scaremongring. If Tan was ready to jump ship he wouldnt have brought in the rebranding

You don't have any proof that this isn't the plan.

Brilliant answer

It wasn't an answer it was a direct opposite of what you directed at me as the truth could be said both ways.
All we can go on is what we know, his history and what's the most likely outcome. We know he's an astute businessman so why would he throw £100 million away, 15% of his total personal wealth? The simple answer is he certainly won't. Can he get this kind of money back by realistic on field success? Absolutely not. So what is the only other way he can get his money back.....

He hasnt invested the full £100 million, £30 million will be probably be spent on the stadium expansion and training ground which has been stated wont be built till we get to the prem. So if we fail to make it this year he could easily use that money to cover us for another 2 years at least. Then if we make it he will be gaining the £90 million prize that comes with the premier league

This is a common error a lot of people make. It's not ?£90 million. Swansea saw an income of around £54 million after their successful first year. The average increase in wages is £23 million. Plus the average spend just to compete is £12 million, added to the cost of promotion which is around £10 million in bonuses and clauses triggered. This on top of our £17 million shortfall means we would make a loss of £19 million and that's if we finished 11th like Swansea. No profit from promotion under this business plan.

The rebranding looks more likely to be a tool to make it easier to offload the club to Chinese business,en when he's done. Otherwise, as said by many - it makes no sense.
Of course thats the whole point of the rebranding from day one. Tan hasnt got the money to be able for us to compete at the top level regularly. By advertising us to Chinese buiness men he can bring in rich buyers to either gain shares and help pay or too take over

Why would he want us to, he's already going to spend 15% of his worth on a club that can't even make a profit if they get promoted.

Another £1.5 million added to the wage bill every year.

We are on a roll in this next stop liquidation steam train

"roath park lake " isnt to far from you . Take a long dip

Classic

Brilliant

Another £1.5 million added to the wage bill every year.

We are on a roll in this next stop liquidation steam train

Do you have a girlfriend?

I'm guessing no.

I'm kind of seeing a smelly scruffy bedroom with sheets so stiff with jizz that they
resemble popadoms. Greasy hair, lots of computer equipment. Perhaps some
borderline 'youngster' videos in the cabinet disguised as 'Swansea's Greatest Goals'
on the front cover
P
Your not gay, nope. I'm convinced your just unlucky with women, soap may help!

but you are pretty much friendless, this mesageboards importance has taken on

epic
proportions in your life.

Sometimes you get so wound up about Cardiff (Capital) City that you forget to masturbate
dont you. It makes you even angrier with life.

I predict you will end it all within the next twelv months.

You will be undiscovered for weeks. Even your mam thought you'd left home.

RIP feller.

Lol epic post!

Another £1.5 million added to the wage bill every year.

We are on a roll in this next stop liquidation steam train

GO AND DO ONE YOU ABSOLUTE C.UNT!

Another £1.5 million added to the wage bill every year.

We are on a roll in this next stop liquidation steam train

GO AND DO ONE YOU ABSOLUTE C.UNT!

Chilling

Another thread ruined and over run with the constant bullshit and negativity from Roath magic, man up mods get rid of this clown

It's clear he is on a personal mission to put Cardiff city down why the f**k are people putting up with it ban him before sum1 finds out where he lives and burns out his caravan with him init..

Another thread ruined and over run with the constant bullshit and negativity from Roath magic, man up mods get rid of this clown

It's clear he is on a personal mission to put Cardiff city down why the f**k are people putting up with it ban him before sum1 finds out where he lives and burns out his caravan with him init..

Dry your eyes and put me on ignore if you don't like what I say.

Good boy.

Another thread ruined and over run with the constant bullshit and negativity from Roath magic, man up mods get rid of this clown

It's clear he is on a personal mission to put Cardiff city down why the f**k are people putting up with it ban him before sum1 finds out where he lives and burns out his caravan with him init..

il second that pal, he is probably the one and only person i would love to throw a bucket of acid over!

Another thread ruined and over run with the constant bullshit and negativity from Roath magic, man up mods get rid of this clown

It's clear he is on a personal mission to put Cardiff city down why the f**k are people putting up with it ban him before sum1 finds out where he lives and burns out his caravan with him init..

il second that pal, he is probably the one and only person i would love to throw a bucket of acid over!

Well then my reply is seconded to you too.

And your disturbing reply. Are you ok?

Another thread ruined and over run with the constant bullshit and negativity from Roath magic, man up mods get rid of this clown

It's clear he is on a personal mission to put Cardiff city down why the f**k are people putting up with it ban him before sum1 finds out where he lives and burns out his caravan with him init..

il second that pal, he is probably the one and only person i would love to throw a bucket of acid over!

Well then my reply is seconded to you too.

And your disturbing reply. Are you ok?

Perfectly fine, thanks for asking! Be alot more better if you fucked off from here! same constant bullshit!

Another thread ruined and over run with the constant bullshit and negativity from Roath magic, man up mods get rid of this clown

It's clear he is on a personal mission to put Cardiff city down why the f**k are people putting up with it ban him before sum1 finds out where he lives and burns out his caravan with him init..

il second that pal, he is probably the one and only person i would love to throw a bucket of acid over!

Well then my reply is seconded to you too.

And your disturbing reply. Are you ok?

Perfectly fine, thanks for asking! Be alot more better if you fucked off from here! same constant bullshit!

I hope you are and it's just an Internet persona of trying to be a hard,an as that reply was bordering on mentally Ill

Another thread ruined and over run with the constant bullshit and negativity from Roath magic, man up mods get rid of this clown

It's clear he is on a personal mission to put Cardiff city down why the f**k are people putting up with it ban him before sum1 finds out where he lives and burns out his caravan with him init..

il second that pal, he is probably the one and only person i would love to throw a bucket of acid over!

Well then my reply is seconded to you too.

And your disturbing reply. Are you ok?

Perfectly fine, thanks for asking! Be alot more better if you fucked off from here! same constant bullshit!

I hope you are and it's just an Internet persona of trying to be a hard,an as that reply was bordering on mentally Ill

20 smileys... Is someone trying to hide their true feelings?

fuckin hell you cant count! bye!!!

Another £1.5 million added to the wage bill every year.

We are on a roll in this next stop liquidation steam train

and you wonder why people want to get rid of you from here do yourself a favour stop stating the bloody obvious as always! as far as your concerned we shouldnt spend a penny as we are billions in debt and need to get rid of all our players by selling them, then use trainies at 6£ an hour and live within our means on 6k supporters! as you keep telling everyone time after time tell us something we dont know????

Swansea got promoted by living within their means, only spending what they as a club earn with a strict wage budget.

There is no argument that this is not possible to do as they have proved it can be.

What f*cking assets

fuckin hell you cant count! bye!!!

See ya