joe allen -- team GB

Controversial that Ramsey gave the ball away which led to the goal most people have acknowledged.

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im not disputing he didnt give the ball away, but he is not solely to blame for the goal! watch it again! as particular you are im sure you have 50 different camera angles to troll through and re watch the play...

there were 3 opps to win the ball back and then 2 defenders not going with the runner through on goal... if ramsey had given the ball away infront of his area which directly lead to the goal, then he would be too blame...


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Controversial that Ramsey gave the ball away which led to the goal most people have acknowledged.

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Yes because every time the ball is lost by the opponents box it always leads to a goal at the other end. I think there must be a rule that defenders aren't allowed to tackle or follow runners if the ball is lost from a short corner

It doesn't, on this occasion it did as it was met by an excellently executed and concise counter attack.

Ramseys fault and a prime example why he was slated by arsenal fans last year.

Controversial that Ramsey gave the ball away which led to the goal most people have acknowledged.

Okay

Yes because every time the ball is lost by the opponents box it always leads to a goal at the other end. I think there must be a rule that defenders aren't allowed to tackle or follow runners if the ball is lost from a short corner

It doesn't, on this occasion it did as it was met by an excellently executed and concise counter attack.

Ramseys fault and a prime example why he was slated by arsenal fans last year.

now you are talking bollocks....

Controversial that Ramsey gave the ball away which led to the goal most people have acknowledged.

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Yes because every time the ball is lost by the opponents box it always leads to a goal at the other end. I think there must be a rule that defenders aren't allowed to tackle or follow runners if the ball is lost from a short corner

It doesn't, on this occasion it did as it was met by an excellently executed and concise counter attack.

Ramseys fault and a prime example why he was slated by arsenal fans last year.

Easily done when the defence doesn't do it's job.
Ref was shocking and had the pen been awarded then their equaliser never happens. Sordell missed a sitter from ramseys good cross, again the game changes if it goes in.
As it happens a draw was a fair result IMO, but your football knowledge is appalling.

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Cheers
Apology accepted

Controversial that Ramsey gave the ball away which led to the goal most people have acknowledged.

Okay

Yes because every time the ball is lost by the opponents box it always leads to a goal at the other end. I think there must be a rule that defenders aren't allowed to tackle or follow runners if the ball is lost from a short corner

It doesn't, on this occasion it did as it was met by an excellently executed and concise counter attack.

Ramseys fault and a prime example why he was slated by arsenal fans last year.

now you are talking bollocks....

It wasn't a good counter attack? Or arsenal fans didn't slate Ramsey last year for giving the ball away all the time?

Interesting views

Controversial that Ramsey gave the ball away which led to the goal most people have acknowledged.

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Yes because every time the ball is lost by the opponents box it always leads to a goal at the other end. I think there must be a rule that defenders aren't allowed to tackle or follow runners if the ball is lost from a short corner

It doesn't, on this occasion it did as it was met by an excellently executed and concise counter attack.

Ramseys fault and a prime example why he was slated by arsenal fans last year.

Easily done when the defence doesn't do it's job.
Ref was shocking and had the pen been awarded then their equaliser never happens. Sordell missed a sitter from ramseys good cross, again the game changes if it goes in.
As it happens a draw was a fair result IMO, but your football knowledge is appalling.

Okay
Cheers
Apology accepted

It's nothing to do with knowledge, I'm telling you what factually happened. Ramsey gave the ball away cheaply and they scored on the counter attack. "not winning the ball back" is not a fault, just as "not saving it" isn't.

The mistake that led to the goal was on the part of Ramsey, as stated by the pundits also.

Cheers.

I don't get all this allen versus ramsey crap they are both great welsh midfielders ffs totally different midfielders who hopefully will compliment each other when they play for wales and try and get us to the world cup on tonights evidence I thought the welsh lads did us proud.

joe allen, being a jack probably classes himself english.

Why?

because a lot of jacks are bitter of wales for making cardiff capital, not swansea.

Controversial that Ramsey gave the ball away which led to the goal most people have acknowledged.

Okay

Yes because every time the ball is lost by the opponents box it always leads to a goal at the other end. I think there must be a rule that defenders aren't allowed to tackle or follow runners if the ball is lost from a short corner

It doesn't, on this occasion it did as it was met by an excellently executed and concise counter attack.

Ramseys fault and a prime example why he was slated by arsenal fans last year.

now you are talking bollocks....

It wasn't a good counter attack? Or arsenal fans didn't slate Ramsey last year for giving the ball away all the time?

Interesting views

after match analysis:

bbcs sports pundit wrote

Micah Richards commits the cardinal error of turning his back on the play. The goal had been coming."


arsenal fans twitted "Ramsey added so much to the game. He should have started. Disappointing."

sports eriter paul fletcher wrote "the defence was undone by a pass that Konate converted with his precise finish".

joe allen, being a jack probably classes himself english.

Why?

because a lot of jacks are bitter of wales for making cardiff capital, not swansea.

Got any links or is that just your opinion?

Controversial that Ramsey gave the ball away which led to the goal most people have acknowledged.

Okay

Yes because every time the ball is lost by the opponents box it always leads to a goal at the other end. I think there must be a rule that defenders aren't allowed to tackle or follow runners if the ball is lost from a short corner

It doesn't, on this occasion it did as it was met by an excellently executed and concise counter attack.

Ramseys fault and a prime example why he was slated by arsenal fans last year.

now you are talking bollocks....

It wasn't a good counter attack? Or arsenal fans didn't slate Ramsey last year for giving the ball away all the time?

Interesting views

after match analysis:

bbcs sports pundit wrote

Micah Richards commits the cardinal error of turning his back on the play. The goal had been coming."


arsenal fans twitted "Ramsey added so much to the game. He should have started. Disappointing."

sports eriter paul fletcher wrote "the defence was undone by a pass that Konate converted with his precise finish".

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I don't get all this allen versus ramsey crap they are both great welsh midfielders ffs totally different midfielders who hopefully will compliment each other when they play for wales and try and get us to the world cup on tonights evidence I thought the welsh lads did us proud.

Agreed, not really about comparing the two but trying to get the ignoramus RM to admit he is wrong by blaming the goal solely on Ramsey. He won't of course but it's fun to see what crap he comes up with next.

Controversial that Ramsey gave the ball away which led to the goal most people have acknowledged.

Okay

Yes because every time the ball is lost by the opponents box it always leads to a goal at the other end. I think there must be a rule that defenders aren't allowed to tackle or follow runners if the ball is lost from a short corner

It doesn't, on this occasion it did as it was met by an excellently executed and concise counter attack.

Ramseys fault and a prime example why he was slated by arsenal fans last year.

now you are talking bollocks....

It wasn't a good counter attack? Or arsenal fans didn't slate Ramsey last year for giving the ball away all the time?

Interesting views

after match analysis:

bbcs sports pundit wrote

Micah Richards commits the cardinal error of turning his back on the play. The goal had been coming."


arsenal fans twitted "Ramsey added so much to the game. He should have started. Disappointing."

sports eriter paul fletcher wrote "the defence was undone by a pass that Konate converted with his precise finish".

2 people

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So when you say "Ramsey gave the ball away which led to the goal most people have acknowledged", who are they and where is your evidence?

I don't get all this allen versus ramsey crap they are both great welsh midfielders ffs totally different midfielders who hopefully will compliment each other when they play for wales and try and get us to the world cup on tonights evidence I thought the welsh lads did us proud.

Agreed, not really about comparing the two but trying to get the ignoramus RM to admit he is wrong by blaming the goal solely on Ramsey. He won't of course but it's fun to see what crap he comes up with next.

I didn't blame the goal solely on Ramsey. In reply to the the poster who said Ramsey had a better game than Allen I said it was his pass that led to the equaliser and Allen rarely gave the ball away.

All which of course are facts.

I don't get all this allen versus ramsey crap they are both great welsh midfielders ffs totally different midfielders who hopefully will compliment each other when they play for wales and try and get us to the world cup on tonights evidence I thought the welsh lads did us proud.

Agreed, not really about comparing the two but trying to get the ignoramus RM to admit he is wrong by blaming the goal solely on Ramsey. He won't of course but it's fun to see what crap he comes up with next.

I didn't blame the goal solely on Ramsey. In reply to the the poster who said Ramsey had a better game than Allen I said it was his pass that led to the equaliser and Allen rarely gave the ball away.

All which of course are facts.

So you admit others in the team were at fault for the goal then?

So when you say "Ramsey gave the ball away which led to the goal most people have acknowledged", who are they and where is your evidence?

The people in this thread, added to the studio pundits and 6 people in my house all think his pass led to the goal.

My proof this is true is that everyone saw him give the ball away with their own eyes which led to their goal.

Simples.

Yes because every time the ball is lost by the opponents box it always leads to a goal at the other end. I think there must be a rule that defenders aren't allowed to tackle or follow runners if the ball is lost from a short corner [/quote]

It doesn't, on this occasion it did as it was met by an excellently executed and concise counter attack.ROATH MAGIC

Ramseys fault and a prime example why he was slated by arsenal fans last year.[/quote] ROATH MAGIC

now you are talking bollocks.... [/quote]

It wasn't a good counter attack? Or arsenal fans didn't slate Ramsey last year for giving the ball away all the time?

Interesting views [/quote] ROATH MAGIC




after match analysis:

bbcs sports pundit wrote

Micah Richards commits the cardinal error of turning his back on the play. The goal had been coming."


arsenal fans twitted "Ramsey added so much to the game. He should have started. Disappointing."

sports eriter paul fletcher wrote "the defence was undone by a pass that Konate converted with his precise finish".[/quote]

2 people ROATH MAGIC

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BLACKWOOD BLUEBIRD WROTE
3 actually..... 2 pundits and 1quote from arsenal fans views.. but as bbc were pretty much the broadcasters for the game two of their analysists have given their interpretation....

im fucked off to the teeth that you have to argue that black is white etc... the only thing you have proved tonight is that you are in fact a swansea supporter by stating the words " when we signed him" in reference to lampard.

you purely blamed ramsey for the goal which i have proven to you was not correct.... it is end of discussion....

Last edited by Blackwood_Bluebird on Thu Jul 26, 2012 10:45 pm, edited 1 time in total.

I don't get all this allen versus ramsey crap they are both great welsh midfielders ffs totally different midfielders who hopefully will compliment each other when they play for wales and try and get us to the world cup on tonights evidence I thought the welsh lads did us proud.

Agreed, not really about comparing the two but trying to get the ignoramus RM to admit he is wrong by blaming the goal solely on Ramsey. He won't of course but it's fun to see what crap he comes up with next.

I didn't blame the goal solely on Ramsey. In reply to the the poster who said Ramsey had a better game than Allen I said it was his pass that led to the equaliser and Allen rarely gave the ball away.

All which of course are facts.

So you admit others in the team were at fault for the goal then?

They could have done more to attempt to prevent it. But the reason they were allowed to counter attack is Ramsey giving the ball away.

Pretty simple.

Allen is much better than Ramsey. Stats dont lie. Ramsey were to be valued in todays market he'd be around £12m. Allen is valued at about £15m. Thats about fair IMO.

Ramsey has the potential to be better but he's improving very slowly and thats down to Wenger. Ramsey probably thought Wenger would be the best to help him improve but then Wilshere came onto the scene and Wenger went with his favourite England boy.

Both Ramsey and Allen are better than Henderson and Wilshere.

you purely blamed ramsey for the goal which i have proven to you was not correct.... it is end of discussion....

RoathMagic is right here. Ramsey did give the ball away sloppily and that led to the goal. Dont say it didn't because professionals even said so. Yes the defenders could have done better but should have never been in such a position in the first place. Its why ball retention is pivotal. Dont you know anything about tika taka?

BLACKWOOD BLUEBIRD WROTE
3 actually..... 2 pundits and 1quote from arsenal fans views.. but as bbc were pretty much the broadcasters for the game two of their analysists have given their interpretation....

im fucked off to the teeth that you have to argue that black is white etc... the only thing you have proved tonight is that you are in fact a swansea supporter by stating the words " when we signed him" in reference to lampard.

you purely blamed ramsey for the goal which i have proven to you was not correct.... it is end of discussion....

clearly you just made that up. Care to quote me and put in Bold where I said that? I wait with anticipation...

You have proved nothing in regards to Ramsey not being at fault for the goal, he clearly was. If you want to side with three people then be my guest, but I'll go with my own eyes and the majority of the footballing world.

I'll await the quote to prove you aren't a liar.

you purely blamed ramsey for the goal which i have proven to you was not correct.... it is end of discussion....

RoathMagic is right here. Ramsey did give the ball away sloppily and that led to the goal. Dont say it didn't because professionals even said so. Yes the defenders could have done better but should have never been in such a position in the first place. Its why ball retention is pivotal. Dont you know anything about tika taka?

Spot on.

Allen is much better than Ramsey. Stats dont lie. Ramsey were to be valued in todays market he'd be around £12m. Allen is valued at about £15m. Thats about fair IMO.

Ramsey has the potential to be better but he's improving very slowly and thats down to Wenger. Ramsey probably thought Wenger would be the best to help him improve but then Wilshere came onto the scene and Wenger went with his favourite England boy.

Both Ramsey and Allen are better than Henderson and Wilshere.

I agree with this....


allen is only worth 15 as that is his release clause... but he is def a becoming a class player, however you cannot compare ramsey as allen sits infront of the cbs and picks the ball up, where as ramsey plays further forward so has a different role..

personally tonight i thought ramsey looked the more dangerous of the two players as joe plays very deep and i rarely so him in the oponents half...
while giving credit to the welsh lads though i though young neil at full back had an excellent game .....

I don't get all this allen versus ramsey crap they are both great welsh midfielders ffs totally different midfielders who hopefully will compliment each other when they play for wales and try and get us to the world cup on tonights evidence I thought the welsh lads did us proud.

Agreed, not really about comparing the two but trying to get the ignoramus RM to admit he is wrong by blaming the goal solely on Ramsey. He won't of course but it's fun to see what crap he comes up with next.

I didn't blame the goal solely on Ramsey. In reply to the the poster who said Ramsey had a better game than Allen I said it was his pass that led to the equaliser and Allen rarely gave the ball away.

All which of course are facts.

So you admit others in the team were at fault for the goal then?

They could have done more to attempt to prevent it. But the reason they were allowed to counter attack is Ramsey giving the ball away.

Pretty simple.

Sometimes in football players lose the ball. I think it's only come in in the modern game as back in the day a team would keep it for the whole half from kick off. All your nonsense but eventually you admit that others in the team could have done more i.e. defenders didn't defend.

Pretty simple.

Allen is much better than Ramsey. Stats dont lie. Ramsey were to be valued in todays market he'd be around £12m. Allen is valued at about £15m. Thats about fair IMO.

Ramsey has the potential to be better but he's improving very slowly and thats down to Wenger. Ramsey probably thought Wenger would be the best to help him improve but then Wilshere came onto the scene and Wenger went with his favourite England boy.

Both Ramsey and Allen are better than Henderson and Wilshere.

Who made you the expert at valuing players? Maybe Ramseys progression was stalled by his horrific injury? Time will tell. If Brenda hadn't left your lot to go to Liverpool, do you think any other team would pay 15m for him?

And wilshere is better than both Allen and Ramsey. Are you for real?

Allen is much better than Ramsey. Stats dont lie. Ramsey were to be valued in todays market he'd be around £12m. Allen is valued at about £15m. Thats about fair IMO.

Ramsey has the potential to be better but he's improving very slowly and thats down to Wenger. Ramsey probably thought Wenger would be the best to help him improve but then Wilshere came onto the scene and Wenger went with his favourite England boy.

Both Ramsey and Allen are better than Henderson and Wilshere.

I agree with this....


allen is only worth 15 as that is his release clause... but he is def a becoming a class player, however you cannot compare ramsey as allen sits infront of the cbs and picks the ball up, where as ramsey plays further forward so has a different role..

personally tonight i thought ramsey looked the more dangerous of the two players as joe plays very deep and i rarely so him in the oponents half...
while giving credit to the welsh lads though i though young neil at full back had an excellent game .....

I agree with your comments on Neil too. Cracking game and got stuck in.

Allen is worth £15m now IMO. His stats at a shit side like Swansea are astonishing. He can only get better at a better club. Its a shame about Rambo because he had the potential but Wenger didn't give him much of a chance at first and sort of stunted his growth in terms of football. Ramsey has the potential to be a £20-25m player IMO if he got used properly. He'd be a great player at United and would fit in brilliantly. Allen has the potential to be a £18-22m player. Ramsey is behind now but still has the potential to be better. Ramsey did play better tonight I agree up until the misplaced pass which was a shame. If Ramsey can improve his passing, ball retention and vision he has the potential to be a world beater. His control and turn on the ball, the way he skilfully floats on the ball is just class.

Lets not forget the above prices are inflated because they are British so please dont say 'get off Ozil only cost £14m or Modric can be bought for £25m. We know the going rate for British players and if Henderson moved for £16m *not the £20m the media spouted* then both these players IMO can surpass those valuations.

you purely blamed ramsey for the goal which i have proven to you was not correct.... it is end of discussion....

RoathMagic is right here. Ramsey did give the ball away sloppily and that led to the goal. Dont say it didn't because professionals even said so. Yes the defenders could have done better but should have never been in such a position in the first place. Its why ball retention is pivotal. Dont you know anything about tika taka?

Yes he did give it away, but if the defenders had defended it would have come to nothing. How can you have a go at Ramsey for being sloppy yet let's the defenders off with " the defenders could have done better".
Utter nonsense.

I don't get all this allen versus ramsey crap they are both great welsh midfielders ffs totally different midfielders who hopefully will compliment each other when they play for wales and try and get us to the world cup on tonights evidence I thought the welsh lads did us proud.

Agreed, not really about comparing the two but trying to get the ignoramus RM to admit he is wrong by blaming the goal solely on Ramsey. He won't of course but it's fun to see what crap he comes up with next.

I didn't blame the goal solely on Ramsey. In reply to the the poster who said Ramsey had a better game than Allen I said it was his pass that led to the equaliser and Allen rarely gave the ball away.

All which of course are facts.

So you admit others in the team were at fault for the goal then?

They could have done more to attempt to prevent it. But the reason they were allowed to counter attack is Ramsey giving the ball away.

Pretty simple.

Sometimes in football players lose the ball. I think it's only come in in the modern game as back in the day a team would keep it for the whole half from kick off. All your nonsense but eventually you admit that others in the team could have done more i.e. defenders didn't defend.

Pretty simple.

I never said others weren't to blame as I don't think they were, I believe Ramsey was at fault for the goal as his bad pass directly set up the counter attack which they scored from. This cannot be disputed, it is a fact.

This was in reply to the post which stated Ramsey played better than Allen.

Simple

Allen is much better than Ramsey. Stats dont lie. Ramsey were to be valued in todays market he'd be around £12m. Allen is valued at about £15m. Thats about fair IMO.

Ramsey has the potential to be better but he's improving very slowly and thats down to Wenger. Ramsey probably thought Wenger would be the best to help him improve but then Wilshere came onto the scene and Wenger went with his favourite England boy.

Both Ramsey and Allen are better than Henderson and Wilshere.

Dont forget that ramsey nearly had his leg amputed by that thug shawcross I think he has done amazing to come back at all, the arsenal fans gave him shit cos he ain't fabregas, I thought ramsey should of started ahead of that overated cleverly who tried to play the allen role when he went off and was shit, ramsey looked great when he came on wtf is pearce up to, and I found it great watching welsh players playing in a tournament how good would it be to see wales in a tournament.

Allen is much better than Ramsey. Stats dont lie. Ramsey were to be valued in todays market he'd be around £12m. Allen is valued at about £15m. Thats about fair IMO.

Ramsey has the potential to be better but he's improving very slowly and thats down to Wenger. Ramsey probably thought Wenger would be the best to help him improve but then Wilshere came onto the scene and Wenger went with his favourite England boy.

Both Ramsey and Allen are better than Henderson and Wilshere.

I agree with this....


allen is only worth 15 as that is his release clause... but he is def a becoming a class player, however you cannot compare ramsey as allen sits infront of the cbs and picks the ball up, where as ramsey plays further forward so has a different role..

personally tonight i thought ramsey looked the more dangerous of the two players as joe plays very deep and i rarely so him in the oponents half...
while giving credit to the welsh lads though i though young neil at full back had an excellent game .....

So where's this comment you claimed I said then?..