VINCENT TAN ANNOUNCES HIS BUSINESS PLAN

Sorry Gwyn but I shut off when I read "allegedly " in your opening sentence.
I shall keep the faith thou

and the question mark in the title...

Allegedly, he has told people his plan is to make Cardiff a successful Premier League club, with a bigger world class stadium.
With training facilities that are some of the best in the country and a youth academy that churns out Aaron Ramsey's by the bus load.

He wants the name Cardiff City to symbolise a link between a huge far Eastern area that is growing financially at a rate of knots and is begging out for links with the most successful sport and biggest league in the world, he wants to build on our Welsh heritage and national pride and bring to cultures closer together through our sporting links.

It is obvious to see that the U.K. for whatever reason is seen as a country that many others want to have links with, not just the far East, but the middle East and India, the investment and links between these countries and the U.K. appear to develop every day, is it because the U.K is seen as the old image of Stiff Upper Lip old school heritage that others with money want to buy into, many people want to be seen as accepted into the old boys network, why else do so many of these world wide Billionaires send their kids here to be educated. what we see as a mess in some respects, others see as culture and prestige.

Possibly when people like the Abramovich's and other billionaires get to the stage when making money get's to easy, they need the excitement and rush that simple money making business's just don't supply, possibly the kudos and competitive one up-manship that football brings.

It must be great to get simply bored of making money hand over fist, how much can one man spend, how many yachts and home s and planes do you need. Perhaps owning a football club is seen as a status symbol, sadly it seems that way and modern football with all the advertising and TV rights that go with it may be seen as spoiling the OLD GAME.

What I will say is that I live through the old game and had loads of great times, but loads of crap ones as well, if people still search for those old days, then they are still out there, go watch Merthyr live from month to month on a tight budget, but don't kid yourself that their players are playing for the badge or local loyalties, they are dreaming of advancing as far as they can and if you think any of them would turn down a ten grand a week wage to play in the League, then dream on.

As a fan I have spent all my life looking forward and any success whilst being enjoyed as simply stimulated me to want more and better, perhaps ambition and progress are part of life, I'm sure Man United fans are constantly striving for bigger and better every year, even though by many they are seen as to of the pile.

Now back to VT's business plan, make the club successful, enjoy the adulation and kudos and possibly sell it on in a few years time for a massive profit, sounds OK to me, if he's got the financial clout and backing to fund his vison, then that sounds like a plan to me.

More spin from Gwyn, well there's a surprise. Please do not liken Tan to Abramovich because Abramovich understands the worth of a clubs history and traditions and that is why Chelsea are still playing in blue with their badge intact.You must be scraping the barrel for posts again Gwyn because there is no new news here just the same old speculation and your typical spin about how it was great in the old days but if you want the old days back then you can always watch Merthyr.If you want some respect back from the fans then you are not doing yourself any favours with this pro red drivel.

Allegedly, he has told people his plan is to make Cardiff a successful Premier League club, with a bigger world class stadium.
With training facilities that are some of the best in the country and a youth academy that churns out Aaron Ramsey's by the bus load.

He wants the name Cardiff City to symbolise a link between a huge far Eastern area that is growing financially at a rate of knots and is begging out for links with the most successful sport and biggest league in the world, he wants to build on our Welsh heritage and national pride and bring to cultures closer together through our sporting links.

It is obvious to see that the U.K. for whatever reason is seen as a country that many others want to have links with, not just the far East, but the middle East and India, the investment and links between these countries and the U.K. appear to develop every day, is it because the U.K is seen as the old image of Stiff Upper Lip old school heritage that others with money want to buy into, many people want to be seen as accepted into the old boys network, why else do so many of these world wide Billionaires send their kids here to be educated. what we see as a mess in some respects, others see as culture and prestige.

Possibly when people like the Abramovich's and other billionaires get to the stage when making money get's to easy, they need the excitement and rush that simple money making business's just don't supply, possibly the kudos and competitive one up-manship that football brings.

It must be great to get simply bored of making money hand over fist, how much can one man spend, how many yachts and home s and planes do you need. Perhaps owning a football club is seen as a status symbol, sadly it seems that way and modern football with all the advertising and TV rights that go with it may be seen as spoiling the OLD GAME.

What I will say is that I live through the old game and had loads of great times, but loads of crap ones as well, if people still search for those old days, then they are still out there, go watch Merthyr live from month to month on a tight budget, but don't kid yourself that their players are playing for the badge or local loyalties, they are dreaming of advancing as far as they can and if you think any of them would turn down a ten grand a week wage to play in the League, then dream on.

As a fan I have spent all my life looking forward and any success whilst being enjoyed as simply stimulated me to want more and better, perhaps ambition and progress are part of life, I'm sure Man United fans are constantly striving for bigger and better every year, even though by many they are seen as to of the pile.

Now back to VT's business plan, make the club successful, enjoy the adulation and kudos and possibly sell it on in a few years time for a massive profit, sounds OK to me, if he's got the financial clout and backing to fund his vison, then that sounds like a plan to me.

I'm sorry but this is just pure propaganda and will continue to be until the debt is turned into shares

Why do you think you will be eased by the debt turning into shares? what difference will that make to the club?

It doent mean he will forget about the £60-90 million hes put in, it means the debt wont be on the books, devaluing the business.

There is no way on earth anyone is going to be making £90 million back from any club, especially one that loses £15-£18 million a year.

So ask yourself, how else is he going to get his money back?

You are quite entitled to your views on VT, Sam,etc. However, in terms of the future of our club, if the debt/some of it, is turned into shares equity then the club is hugely stabilised as would any company be.

At the moment if VT decided he'd had enough he could walk away and then sue us for the money we owed him. That would then mean that the club would have to dissolve itself as it wouldn't be able to pay. VT would have a major cliam, as a secured creditor, on any monies raised through selling off of our assets such as players, land, stadium, etc.

However if VT transfers the debt to equity he, in simple terms, becomes Cardiff City in that he is then liable for all the debts ( as well as any future profits). He couldn't then walk away and expect to get his money back as a creditor because he is the owner/majority shareholder and he not actually "owed" money in the same way as a debt. It basically means that his best way of getting his money back would be to make the club successful and profitable and then, if he wanted to, sell it to a higher bidder.

I know it's not quite that simple but it's a good summary of why conversion to equity is much better for the club than merely just racking up debts/loans.

Did I miss something?????????,IS THAT THE BUSINESS PLAN??????,shit I think I will adopt that for my business affairs and in no time I will be the biggest company in the world

Allegedly, he has told people his plan is to make Cardiff a successful Premier League club, with a bigger world class stadium.
With training facilities that are some of the best in the country and a youth academy that churns out Aaron Ramsey's by the bus load.

He wants the name Cardiff City to symbolise a link between a huge far Eastern area that is growing financially at a rate of knots and is begging out for links with the most successful sport and biggest league in the world, he wants to build on our Welsh heritage and national pride and bring to cultures closer together through our sporting links.
It is obvious to see that the U.K. for whatever reason is seen as a country that many others want to have links with, not just the far East, but the middle East and India, the investment and links between these countries and the U.K. appear to develop every day, is it because the U.K is seen as the old image of Stiff Upper Lip old school heritage that others with money want to buy into, many people want to be seen as accepted into the old boys network, why else do so many of these world wide Billionaires send their kids here to be educated. what we see as a mess in some respects, others see as culture and prestige.

Possibly when people like the Abramovich's and other billionaires get to the stage when making money get's to easy, they need the excitement and rush that simple money making business's just don't supply, possibly the kudos and competitive one up-manship that football brings.

It must be great to get simply bored of making money hand over fist, how much can one man spend, how many yachts and home s and planes do you need. Perhaps owning a football club is seen as a status symbol, sadly it seems that way and modern football with all the advertising and TV rights that go with it may be seen as spoiling the OLD GAME.

What I will say is that I live through the old game and had loads of great times, but loads of crap ones as well, if people still search for those old days, then they are still out there, go watch Merthyr live from month to month on a tight budget, but don't kid yourself that their players are playing for the badge or local loyalties, they are dreaming of advancing as far as they can and if you think any of them would turn down a ten grand a week wage to play in the League, then dream on.

As a fan I have spent all my life looking forward and any success whilst being enjoyed as simply stimulated me to want more and better, perhaps ambition and progress are part of life, I'm sure Man United fans are constantly striving for bigger and better every year, even though by many they are seen as to of the pile.

Now back to VT's business plan, make the club successful, enjoy the adulation and kudos and possibly sell it on in a few years time for a massive profit, sounds OK to me, if he's got the financial clout and backing to fund his vison, then that sounds like a plan to me.

Maybe he should of recognised the history and culture of cardiff city instead of trying to make us some welsh franchise that people from other parts of the world can buy into.I don't care what anyone says THERE IS NO NEED FORUS TO TURN RED.we simply doing it because Tan want's us too.Asian markets don't buy kits because there red but because there succsessfull and therefore get alot of media coverage.We could have become "BIG" so to speak without turning red.

Allegedly, he has told people his plan is to make Cardiff a successful Premier League club, with a bigger world class stadium.
With training facilities that are some of the best in the country and a youth academy that churns out Aaron Ramsey's by the bus load.

He wants the name Cardiff City to symbolise a link between a huge far Eastern area that is growing financially at a rate of knots and is begging out for links with the most successful sport and biggest league in the world, he wants to build on our Welsh heritage and national pride and bring to cultures closer together through our sporting links.

It is obvious to see that the U.K. for whatever reason is seen as a country that many others want to have links with, not just the far East, but the middle East and India, the investment and links between these countries and the U.K. appear to develop every day, is it because the U.K is seen as the old image of Stiff Upper Lip old school heritage that others with money want to buy into, many people want to be seen as accepted into the old boys network, why else do so many of these world wide Billionaires send their kids here to be educated. what we see as a mess in some respects, others see as culture and prestige.

Possibly when people like the Abramovich's and other billionaires get to the stage when making money get's to easy, they need the excitement and rush that simple money making business's just don't supply, possibly the kudos and competitive one up-manship that football brings.

It must be great to get simply bored of making money hand over fist, how much can one man spend, how many yachts and home s and planes do you need. Perhaps owning a football club is seen as a status symbol, sadly it seems that way and modern football with all the advertising and TV rights that go with it may be seen as spoiling the OLD GAME.

What I will say is that I live through the old game and had loads of great times, but loads of crap ones as well, if people still search for those old days, then they are still out there, go watch Merthyr live from month to month on a tight budget, but don't kid yourself that their players are playing for the badge or local loyalties, they are dreaming of advancing as far as they can and if you think any of them would turn down a ten grand a week wage to play in the League, then dream on.

As a fan I have spent all my life looking forward and any success whilst being enjoyed as simply stimulated me to want more and better, perhaps ambition and progress are part of life, I'm sure Man United fans are constantly striving for bigger and better every year, even though by many they are seen as to of the pile.

Now back to VT's business plan, make the club successful, enjoy the adulation and kudos and possibly sell it on in a few years time for a massive profit, sounds OK to me, if he's got the financial clout and backing to fund his vison, then that sounds like a plan to me.

I'm sorry but this is just pure propaganda and will continue to be until the debt is turned into shares

Why do you think you will be eased by the debt turning into shares? what difference will that make to the club?

It doent mean he will forget about the £60-90 million hes put in, it means the debt wont be on the books, devaluing the business.

There is no way on earth anyone is going to be making £90 million back from any club, especially one that loses £15-£18 million a year.

So ask yourself, how else is he going to get his money back?

Very simple.

Owning a football club out in the far corners of this world is a prestigous thing, specially an English club. Yes Cardiff is a Welsh club and that is an added bonus to Tans plan.

Tan comes from China originally. China over the next decade is going to have some very very rich people who will thinknothing about paying over the odds for a football club in England. However a football club that is not English playing in the English matrix with a symbol that reflects that up and coming power called China.....see where I am going. I won't be surprised if in a few years we have a new oriental owner who will use us, definately so if we make the premiership, by bringing over a potential oriental footballer to practice the trade in England for the benefit of their home land. Expect a different looking Cardiff City over the coming years.

While I am on it don't expect a turn back to blue. Although I cannot see any advantage playing in red, Tan obviously is comfortable with it and totally believes its better for his vision. It will take a miracle for us to play in blue again.

Good post, Baked.

I'm really saddened that our future could be red, rather than blue, though.

Allegedly, he has told people his plan is to make Cardiff a successful Premier League club, with a bigger world class stadium.
With training facilities that are some of the best in the country and a youth academy that churns out Aaron Ramsey's by the bus load.

He wants the name Cardiff City to symbolise a link between a huge far Eastern area that is growing financially at a rate of knots and is begging out for links with the most successful sport and biggest league in the world, he wants to build on our Welsh heritage and national pride and bring to cultures closer together through our sporting links.

It is obvious to see that the U.K. for whatever reason is seen as a country that many others want to have links with, not just the far East, but the middle East and India, the investment and links between these countries and the U.K. appear to develop every day, is it because the U.K is seen as the old image of Stiff Upper Lip old school heritage that others with money want to buy into, many people want to be seen as accepted into the old boys network, why else do so many of these world wide Billionaires send their kids here to be educated. what we see as a mess in some respects, others see as culture and prestige.

Possibly when people like the Abramovich's and other billionaires get to the stage when making money get's to easy, they need the excitement and rush that simple money making business's just don't supply, possibly the kudos and competitive one up-manship that football brings.

It must be great to get simply bored of making money hand over fist, how much can one man spend, how many yachts and home s and planes do you need. Perhaps owning a football club is seen as a status symbol, sadly it seems that way and modern football with all the advertising and TV rights that go with it may be seen as spoiling the OLD GAME.

What I will say is that I live through the old game and had loads of great times, but loads of crap ones as well, if people still search for those old days, then they are still out there, go watch Merthyr live from month to month on a tight budget, but don't kid yourself that their players are playing for the badge or local loyalties, they are dreaming of advancing as far as they can and if you think any of them would turn down a ten grand a week wage to play in the League, then dream on.

As a fan I have spent all my life looking forward and any success whilst being enjoyed as simply stimulated me to want more and better, perhaps ambition and progress are part of life, I'm sure Man United fans are constantly striving for bigger and better every year, even though by many they are seen as to of the pile.

Now back to VT's business plan, make the club successful, enjoy the adulation and kudos and possibly sell it on in a few years time for a massive profit, sounds OK to me, if he's got the financial clout and backing to fund his vison, then that sounds like a plan to me.

I'm sorry but this is just pure propaganda and will continue to be until the debt is turned into shares

Why do you think you will be eased by the debt turning into shares? what difference will that make to the club?

It doent mean he will forget about the £60-90 million hes put in, it means the debt wont be on the books, devaluing the business.

There is no way on earth anyone is going to be making £90 million back from any club, especially one that loses £15-£18 million a year.

So ask yourself, how else is he going to get his money back?

Roath jerk off.

You are back.For more. Unfortunately.
Compulsive internet sicko and business/finance expert extraordinaire.

Converting debt into equity removes any interest and capital payment overhead. Taking debt off the books has the contrary effect to that which you claim.
For example. The sale value of your uncle's/father's caravan in Morriston is £1000.He has an outstanding mortgage of £995.Interest/capital repayments are £50 per month.
He sells his caravan.He has to pay off the mortgage. The net realisation at this point is £5.
He also has £50 a month extra disposable income to spend on heroin.
Alternative scenario. He has no mortgage. He sells his caravan. Net realisation £1000. He already has the benefit of the £50 per month.
If he did not sell, had no mortgage/had previously paid it off and had the caravan valued at £1000 but spent the £50 on moving the caravan to a new site and upgrading same. He might improve the value to £2000 over 12 months and considerably more over time.

Mr Tan is a an extremely wealthy businessman.
You are a smartarse weirdo who knows jack shit.
As to how Mr Tan is going to make a profit on his investment.I would leave that to him.

Roath jerk off.

You are back.For more. Unfortunately.
Compulsive internet sicko and business/finance expert extraordinaire.

Converting debt into equity removes any interest and capital payment overhead. Taking debt off the books has the contrary effect to that which you claim.
For example. The sale value of your uncle's/father's caravan in Morriston is £1000.He has an outstanding mortgage of £995.Interest/capital repayments are £50 per month.
He sells his caravan.He has to pay off the mortgage. The net realisation at this point is £5.
He also has £50 a month extra disposable income to spend on heroin.
Alternative scenario. He has no mortgage. He sells his caravan. Net realisation £1000. He already has the benefit of the £50 per month.
If he did not sell, had no mortgage/had previously paid it off and had the caravan valued at £1000 but spent the £50 on moving the caravan to a new site and upgrading same. He might improve the value to £2000 over 12 months and considerably more over time.

Mr Tan is a an extremely wealthy businessman.
You are a smartarse weirdo who knows jack shit.
As to how Mr Tan is going to make a profit on his investment.I would leave that to him.

Do I detect a hint of annoyance in your tone?

Roath jerk off.

You are back.For more. Unfortunately.
Compulsive internet sicko and business/finance expert extraordinaire.

Converting debt into equity removes any interest and capital payment overhead. Taking debt off the books has the contrary effect to that which you claim.
For example. The sale value of your uncle's/father's caravan in Morriston is £1000.He has an outstanding mortgage of £995.Interest/capital repayments are £50 per month.
He sells his caravan.He has to pay off the mortgage. The net realisation at this point is £5.
He also has £50 a month extra disposable income to spend on heroin.
Alternative scenario. He has no mortgage. He sells his caravan. Net realisation £1000. He already has the benefit of the £50 per month.
If he did not sell, had no mortgage/had previously paid it off and had the caravan valued at £1000 but spent the £50 on moving the caravan to a new site and upgrading same. He might improve the value to £2000 over 12 months and considerably more over time.

Mr Tan is a an extremely wealthy businessman.
You are a smartarse weirdo who knows jack shit.
As to how Mr Tan is going to make a profit on his investment.I would leave that to him.

Do I detect a hint of annoyance in your tone?

Good post though!

Roath jerk off.

You are back.For more. Unfortunately.
Compulsive internet sicko and business/finance expert extraordinaire.

Converting debt into equity removes any interest and capital payment overhead. Taking debt off the books has the contrary effect to that which you claim.
For example. The sale value of your uncle's/father's caravan in Morriston is £1000.He has an outstanding mortgage of £995.Interest/capital repayments are £50 per month.
He sells his caravan.He has to pay off the mortgage. The net realisation at this point is £5.
He also has £50 a month extra disposable income to spend on heroin.
Alternative scenario. He has no mortgage. He sells his caravan. Net realisation £1000. He already has the benefit of the £50 per month.
If he did not sell, had no mortgage/had previously paid it off and had the caravan valued at £1000 but spent the £50 on moving the caravan to a new site and upgrading same. He might improve the value to £2000 over 12 months and considerably more over time.

Mr Tan is a an extremely wealthy businessman.
You are a smartarse weirdo who knows jack shit.
As to how Mr Tan is going to make a profit on his investment.I would leave that to him.

Do I detect a hint of annoyance in your tone?

Good post though!

Absolutely!

You joke about it yet we are probably the closest to ending as a club as we ever have been.

The only thing more amazing on this thread than your very silly and unfounded rational is the people on here giving you some kudos by trying to debate what is pure speculative bilge on your part.Still,when all of your shit blows up in your face you can always re-invent yourself under a different guise.(not for the first time eh?)

unfortunately your post makes no sense at all.

HE will be the sole owner of the club. Converting debt (debt to him) to equity makes no difference what so ever as he will then own every asset the club has.

Its like me lending you £1000 and then covering your financial obligations for the coming few months, til your debt to me becomes maybe £5000. You cant afford to pay me back so I convert that debt into equity by taking your car.

The debt hasnt gone, I now own your car which is worth at least the same as what you borrowed from me. Now to get that money back I will sell the car.

12 years or so ago Sam H was investing £millions into CCFC and making promoses ...... enough said

sam hamman doesnt have a pot to piss in,

enough said

unfortunately your post makes no sense at all.

HE will be the sole owner of the club. Converting debt (debt to him) to equity makes no difference what so ever as he will then own every asset the club has.

Its like me lending you £1000 and then covering your financial obligations for the coming few months, til your debt to me becomes maybe £5000. You cant afford to pay me back so I convert that debt into equity by taking your car.

The debt hasnt gone, I now own your car which is worth at least the same as what you borrowed from me. Now to get that money back I will sell the car.

Jack up.

You have now demonstrated beyond any doubt whatsover that you are a total fuckwit.

Through the debt to equity conversion the club's debt is pretty well extinguished.Gone. Finished.Absorbed by Mr Tan.
Mr Tan becomes the owner/principal shareholder investor.Of course he will own the majority of the club and it's assets.Just like the main shareholders of any club.
At some future point he may sell the club to realise his investment.So what? No different to any other owner except that in the meantime,he holds,invests and improves.Importantly he invests very substantial funds to take the club forward.
A club that has it's own state of the art training ground.Owning it's own stadium.Not in hock to the banks.No burdensome debt repayments.

unfortunately your post makes no sense at all.

HE will be the sole owner of the club. Converting debt (debt to him) to equity makes no difference what so ever as he will then own every asset the club has.

Its like me lending you £1000 and then covering your financial obligations for the coming few months, til your debt to me becomes maybe £5000. You cant afford to pay me back so I convert that debt into equity by taking your car.

The debt hasnt gone, I now own your car which is worth at least the same as what you borrowed from me. Now to get that money back I will sell the car.

Jack up.

You have now demonstrated beyond any doubt whatsover that you are a total fuckwit.

Through the debt to equity conversion the club's debt is pretty well extinguished.Gone. Finished.Absorbed by Mr Tan.
Mr Tan becomes the owner/principal shareholder investor.Of course he will own the majority of the club and it's assets.Just like the main shareholders of any club.
At some future point he may sell the club to realise his investment.So what? No different to any other owner except that in the meantime,he holds,invests and improves.Importantly he invests very substantial funds to take the club forward.
A club that has it's own state of the art training ground.Owning it's own stadium.Not in hock to the banks.No burdensome debt repayments.

I will hold off on the insults and let my content stand for itself.

Again, you make little sense in your post. You are completely ignoring the facts and seem to be talking about some ridiculous ideology where a man comes in and buys our club worth £15 million for £100 million, while also paying the £15 million a year losses, just because hes a nice man.

It makes no difference whether we are in £100 million hock to the bank, to Sam, The Malaysians or anyone - the principle is the same. The fact it is being turned into equity makes no difference at all other than the fact his investment is now secured against valuable assets rather than nothing. IT i the only viable business decision.

Pray tell how you think Tan would get his money back otherwise? Remember after this season is up, if he is to stay on he will have to falk out £15-£18 million p/a again to keep us affloat. £18-£20 million should we go up. If he stays on for 5 years that takes his investment to £200 million!!! Who the hell is going to buy us for that when the club is worth £15 million.

Get off your cloud and come back to reality. Tan is on a salvage mission, any clown can see that.

great business plan that, alienate your core support

That vast majority aren't alienated, excited more like, been praying for investment and backing such as this for to long to remember.

How come most of the people I know are against the colour change then?

exactly

i believe there is clause in stadium as council didnt trust sam so yes vt cant sell willy nilly so only speculation as to what vt can do to regain money lost also at moment vt is owed 40+mil and others 35mil or more so not only vt in equasion but also pmg sam, ray ranson so lot speculation nothing concrete

also who is he going to sell us to ? with 70 odd mil debt????

Everyone thinks things are Rosy I will wait a while and see.

great business plan that, alienate your core support

That vast majority aren't alienated, excited more like, been praying for investment and backing such as this for to long to remember.

How come most of the people I know are against the colour change then?

That doesnt mean they have been alienated.

I am certainly against the colour and badge change but not alienated in any way.
Still behind the club 100%

And that is the latest political party announcement from Mr Tan's lapdog

unfortunately your post makes no sense at all.

HE will be the sole owner of the club. Converting debt (debt to him) to equity makes no difference what so ever as he will then own every asset the club has.

Its like me lending you £1000 and then covering your financial obligations for the coming few months, til your debt to me becomes maybe £5000. You cant afford to pay me back so I convert that debt into equity by taking your car.

The debt hasnt gone, I now own your car which is worth at least the same as what you borrowed from me. Now to get that money back I will sell the car.

Jack up.

You have now demonstrated beyond any doubt whatsover that you are a total fuckwit.

Through the debt to equity conversion the club's debt is pretty well extinguished.Gone. Finished.Absorbed by Mr Tan.
Mr Tan becomes the owner/principal shareholder investor.Of course he will own the majority of the club and it's assets.Just like the main shareholders of any club.
At some future point he may sell the club to realise his investment.So what? No different to any other owner except that in the meantime,he holds,invests and improves.Importantly he invests very substantial funds to take the club forward.
A club that has it's own state of the art training ground.Owning it's own stadium.Not in hock to the banks.No burdensome debt repayments.

I will hold off on the insults and let my content stand for itself.

Again, you make little sense in your post. You are completely ignoring the facts and seem to be talking about some ridiculous ideology where a man comes in and buys our club worth £15 million for £100 million, while also paying the £15 million a year losses, just because hes a nice man.

It makes no difference whether we are in £100 million hock to the bank, to Sam, The Malaysians or anyone - the principle is the same. The fact it is being turned into equity makes no difference at all other than the fact his investment is now secured against valuable assets rather than nothing. IT i the only viable business decision.

Pray tell how you think Tan would get his money back otherwise? Remember after this season is up, if he is to stay on he will have to falk out £15-£18 million p/a again to keep us affloat. £18-£20 million should we go up. If he stays on for 5 years that takes his investment to £200 million!!! Who the hell is going to buy us for that when the club is worth £15 million.

Get off your cloud and come back to reality. Tan is on a salvage mission, any clown can see that.

jerk off

I live in the real world.
You, obviously do not.

Your comments do stand by themselves as a monument to your stupidity and smart -alec ignorance.
You fully deserve any insults that come your way.

Equity = ownership.

I'll try again as you are obviously a particularly slow learner.

Let us say I own my house having paid off the mortgage.
It is to an extent, an investment.
Do I owe myself the value of that property?

I improve my house.
The house appreciates in value.
The value of my equity grows.

As to the numbers involved.
You are speculating.
Halfwit pub talk.
You are not dealing in facts.Again.
Mr Tan will have his own ideas on the projected value of Cardiff City FC in the context of his investment.You have no idea what this might be.
I will hazard a guess that this will be far in excess of whatever the owners for example of the football club in swansea can dream of.

At the severe risk of dealing with more ill thought posts,gibberish and ridiculous bollocks from your general direction what do you think the owners of swansea town have as a business plan? I assume they have one.

There STILL seems no reason why we can't play in blue.

There STILL seems no reason why we can't play in blue.

there isn't one other than the fact vt fancies his team playing in red, probably seen liverpool doing 'you'll never walk alone' at wembley and thought i want our fans to do that

There STILL seems no reason why we can't play in blue.

There is one big obvious reason, the man that owns us, wants us to play in red, simple really.

RC you have posted same story about what vt is going to do in relation to getting his money back several times in hope someone will take notice!! you may be right but one thing is for sure it is not factual that he will do what you are saying, and you boast you deal in facts well obviously you dont as you dont have a an efin clue what vt has planned and how to get is money back and that is a fact!!!! also you never anser questions that are asked which are akward for you!! so carrry on posting same anti vt stuff as that is all you know!!! and that is a fact!!!

ps you are right he is here to make money isnt that the idea generally in buisness? and unless he does so hes out pocket big time as earlier stated there may well be covenant on ground preventing its sale! imposed by the council thanks to a distrust of sam by council, so plan A of yours (selling assets) may not be possible but im sure you will enlighten me!

Allegedly, he has told people his plan is to make Cardiff a successful Premier League club, with a bigger world class stadium.
With training facilities that are some of the best in the country and a youth academy that churns out Aaron Ramsey's by the bus load.

He wants the name Cardiff City to symbolise a link between a huge far Eastern area that is growing financially at a rate of knots and is begging out for links with the most successful sport and biggest league in the world, he wants to build on our Welsh heritage and national pride and bring to cultures closer together through our sporting links.

It is obvious to see that the U.K. for whatever reason is seen as a country that many others want to have links with, not just the far East, but the middle East and India, the investment and links between these countries and the U.K. appear to develop every day, is it because the U.K is seen as the old image of Stiff Upper Lip old school heritage that others with money want to buy into, many people want to be seen as accepted into the old boys network, why else do so many of these world wide Billionaires send their kids here to be educated. what we see as a mess in some respects, others see as culture and prestige.

Possibly when people like the Abramovich's and other billionaires get to the stage when making money get's to easy, they need the excitement and rush that simple money making business's just don't supply, possibly the kudos and competitive one up-manship that football brings.

It must be great to get simply bored of making money hand over fist, how much can one man spend, how many yachts and home s and planes do you need. Perhaps owning a football club is seen as a status symbol, sadly it seems that way and modern football with all the advertising and TV rights that go with it may be seen as spoiling the OLD GAME.

What I will say is that I live through the old game and had loads of great times, but loads of crap ones as well, if people still search for those old days, then they are still out there, go watch Merthyr live from month to month on a tight budget, but don't kid yourself that their players are playing for the badge or local loyalties, they are dreaming of advancing as far as they can and if you think any of them would turn down a ten grand a week wage to play in the League, then dream on.

As a fan I have spent all my life looking forward and any success whilst being enjoyed as simply stimulated me to want more and better, perhaps ambition and progress are part of life, I'm sure Man United fans are constantly striving for bigger and better every year, even though by many they are seen as to of the pile.

Now back to VT's business plan, make the club successful, enjoy the adulation and kudos and possibly sell it on in a few years time for a massive profit, sounds OK to me, if he's got the financial clout and backing to fund his vison, then that sounds like a plan to me.

So Gwyn, in a nutshell all you have really said in this post is VT wants to strengthen our link with the far east and to do that, we must get into the Premiership - we all already know this.

Then if we get to the Premiership, you say VT will then make plans to expand our stadium and improve our training facilities - we all already know this.

You then give your opinions on why you think billionaires want to get involved with UK businesses. You then give a bizarre opinion that for fans to once again experience "the old days", we must watch teams like Merthyr?

Basically Gwyn, you have typed out 8 paragraphs telling us nothing about the title "Vincent Tan announces his business plan?" as you have told us nothing we already know and you have just waffled on giving your opinions without any evidence to suggest VT actually has a business plan.

Mr Coat, you are still making no sense with your examples.

Your key mistake of course is transfering this as a normal business purchase. Tan, once the equity is increased, has bought a £15 million business for £100 million. There is no ''doing it up to sell on''. There is NOTHING Tan or anyone can do to sell Cardiff City for over £100 million. Apart from of course turning us into a Champions League side, but in doing that cant spend a penny on the playing side from here on in. - not possible.

Now I urge you again to wake up as the only feasable way Tan will get his money back is by initially protecting his investment by becoming sole creditor, which he is about to do, and then selling the assets.

Now have a think about this instead of your pre-school infantile insults combined with some nonsense about buying a house.

Good lad.

VT can stuff his harebrained plan up his japseye as far as I'm concerned.