WHAT IF THE JACKS DID IT

Not wanting to put a dampener on this ridiculous thread but....

1) ''Mr Tans investment'' is in the majority to plug our losses for the next 12 months as well as consolidating our existing debts, dont think super powers in football are made by an investment of around £5-6 million in the playing staff

2) Swansea made £55 million last year and will make £55 million this year... If they go down they earn another £38 million... if the stay up they earn another £82 million with the new TV package = the minimum they would have earned in their visit to the Prem if it ended this year is £148 million - but in all likelyhood it will be £192 million + the £38 million parachute payments MORE THAN TWICE what Tan intends on investing and they can spend theirs on what they like. Do you really think they are jelous? Not to nention the fact they didnt have to change their badge, colours and nickname to achieve that cash they just got their head down and worked hard for it.

3) please can we stop embarassing ourselves.

thanks.

Jack,
nice maths and if your club is taking that much money how about doing the decent thing and fully re-paying all those creditors who were shafted at the time of administration? A start on paying some rent might also be appreciated by the local council tax payers who subsidise your occupation of the municipal stadium.

This whole rebranding exercise is embarrassing for any true City fan. The way it was introduced, the lies, the actual badge 'design' if you can call it that.
I dont know where some people get their ideas from but every one of my mates hate the kit/badge and all bar one person I've spoken to in work think its shameful that it can happen...and he is a rugby fan.
Money isnt everything......I know we cant survive without the Malaysians backing but this whole thing stinks.....we are just his plaything of which he can do whatever he wants with.
If I was the fan of any other club I'd feel genuinely worried for us.....and disgusted that it was allowed to happen.

Completely understand your view and of course in an ideal world I would have wanted to stay blue. All these people outside looking in are bound to say stuff but it's easy for them as its not their club at risk. I just think that in these circumstances we take the investment and ride the wave. Without it I honestly believe we could be looking at a Rangers scenario. It hadn't been handled well but longer term I reckon we will be back in blue but in a much stronger position than today.

Spoke to some Jacks up the pub yesterday and they told me we are not even on their radar anymore.

Spoke to some Jacks up the pub yesterday and they told me we are not even on their radar anymore.

Whatever, of course they are going to say that. Illusions of grandeur

Spoke to some Jacks up the pub yesterday and they told me we are not even on their radar anymore.

Right sure.

Trust me they are worried, very worried. If we end up over taking them they willbe suicidal.

If the Jacks had done this rebrand thing as we are calling it, how would you really feel. Personally I would be gutted they had an investor behind them that could take them and make them into a long term top Premiership team.

I would be jealous as f**k, more jealous than them achieving promotion to the Premiership in the first place, if they had a colour or badge change it wouldn't mean a thing to me, but a billionaire backer would cut right through me.

Whilst some will have you believe other clubs fans are laughing at us, I bet there are a lot more watching us with a lot of envy and praying for a similar investor to help their clubs.

Agree 100% and I can tell from Jacks in work that, although they snipe, they don't really like the idea at all. They were relying on the idea that any year now we were going to go bust and into Administration or worse....

Spoke to some Jacks up the pub yesterday and they told me we are not even on their radar anymore.

Whatever, of course they are going to say that. Illusions of grandeur

They are in the PL. We are not. The only jealousy is on our part. FACT.

Spoke to some Jacks up the pub yesterday and they told me we are not even on their radar anymore.

Right sure.

Trust me they are worried, very worried. If we end up over taking them they willbe suicidal.

If you honestly believe that you need to take a lie down.

Weve had the same billionaire backer for over 2 years now and not got anywhere, whilst theyve progressed, so quite how they are VERY worried I do not know????

Another JACK thread started on here ,JEALOUSY its a horrible thing ,

Spoke to some Jacks up the pub yesterday and they told me we are not even on their radar anymore.

Whatever, of course they are going to say that. Illusions of grandeur

They are in the PL. We are not. The only jealousy is on our part. FACT.

You speak for yourself, not me. FACT

Another JACK thread started on here ,JEALOUSY its a horrible thing ,

You would know. A few seasons won't erase all those years of you lot whining

Spoke to some Jacks up the pub yesterday and they told me we are not even on their radar anymore.

Whatever, of course they are going to say that. Illusions of grandeur

They are in the PL. We are not. The only jealousy is on our part. FACT.

You speak for yourself, not me. FACT

Your green eyes are visible for all to see on this thread.
Accusing the Jacks of being jealous of us has to be the mosts ridiculous red spin since the rebrand news broke.

Did I fall asleep for 2 years in which time we traded places and the Jacks are now 80m in debt, changed their name to Franchise FC and play in red??????

Spoke to some Jacks up the pub yesterday and they told me we are not even on their radar anymore.

Whatever, of course they are going to say that. Illusions of grandeur

They are in the PL. We are not. The only jealousy is on our part. FACT.

You speak for yourself, not me. FACT

Your green eyes are visible for all to see on this thread.
Accusing the Jacks of being jealous of us has to be the mosts ridiculous red spin since the rebrand news broke.

Did I fall asleep for 2 years in which time we traded places and the Jacks are now 80m in debt, changed their name to Franchise FC and play in red??????

And which part of the thread would that be then? And where did I accuse the jacks of being jealous now? Making up your own version of events again. I'm quite content with our relative positions actually but then that doesn't suit your agenda does it?

Another JACK thread started on here ,JEALOUSY its a horrible thing ,

You would know. A few seasons won't erase all those years of you lot whining

this is all about NOW ,and what I know is we are black and white and always will b,you have gone from blue to red,for what just a bit more debt ,your club owned by foreigners hope too make a buck,our club owned by supporters

Semantics Carpe. Semantics.

You accuse them of being nervous ffs but my personal favourite "Illusions of grandeur" The irony in them 3 little words is bloody astounding.

If you really think the Jacks are nervous and worried about us after just finishing 11th in the Prem whilst we fail miserably again then you sir are deluded. You can take solace in the fact you are not alone judging by this crazy thread.

Another JACK thread started on here ,JEALOUSY its a horrible thing ,

You would know. A few seasons won't erase all those years of you lot whining

this is all about NOW ,and what I know is we are black and white and always will b,you have gone from blue to red,for what just a bit more debt ,your club owned by foreigners hope too make a buck,our club owned by supporters

Just making the point that you know all about jealousy and at least you didn't deny it. Not interested in your view on Cardiff city as you will never have anything constructive to say. Key fir me thiugh is whatever we do or you do ill still prefer to be us and your constant bragging will never change that. Football is cyclical and ill bide my time. However i do love you lot bragging about how well run you are when youve been in admin twice in recent times but then shame on us for dealing with our debts

Anyway this has been done a hundred times so let's spend a sunday am doing something useful instead

Semantics Carpe. Semantics.

You accuse them of being nervous ffs but my personal favourite "Illusions of grandeur" The irony in them 3 little words is bloody astounding.

If you really think the Jacks are nervous and worried about us after just finishing 11th in the Prem whilst we fail miserably again then you sir are deluded. You can take solace in the fact you are not alone judging by this crazy thread.

That phrase related to your not on their radar line. I don't buy that for a second, in fact theres enough of them on here to go against that. Yes they are in a higher league, so far for a season with another one to come. Hardly established yet. So for them to say we don't matter to them anymore is premature and illusions of grandeur

The nervous comment was used to come away from the jealous theme, so I was actually not going along with others one is thread. And yes I believe they are but in the context of us making the prem too as they would hate that since it would take away their constant bragging rights.

Love the way you cover up your false accusations with the semantics line too. Sometimes it's a release to admit you were wrong

Someone needs to tell them that our club will gain more money from Premier League TV rights next season then will be invested by Vincent Tan in to Cardiff next season.

We've already secured over £100 million from being in the Premier League for two years, when you account the guarenteed parachute payments. We already have the people at the club to make us a long term Premier League team.

So really, you are jealous f**k at us, at the moment.

To be honest, pretty much everyone of us shares the viewpoint of 12th Man. I haven't seen or spoke to any supporter who when I brought up the Cardiff re brand discussion didn't just laugh.

What have we got to be jealous of?

You signing Richard Keogh or Jordan Mutch? We wouldn't take either.
You getting new training facilities? We're getting new training facilities.
You getting a new stadium expansion? We have planned a new stadium expansion.

The reality is that you sold your sole, and your club to some random Malaysian who is going to see the end of you. He sees Cardiff City as an opportunity to invest and to make money, that's why he made the investment to make a complete turn around in the clubs finances. Your not going to get that money back, you know it. Unless you are promoted, which is hardly something you can guarentee or expect, then your going to continue to make loses because you know that changing your shirt colour won't increase attendences or merchandise sales.

Then there's the issue of FFP, which will start in 2013. If you don't go up next season, your truely fucked. At this stage Vincent Tan has to make a decision, the club aren't going to have the finances to pass FFP if they get promoted, carrying on with the way your current finances are working. Whilst i'm not doubting that he plans to invest the whole £100 million he's going to either have to decide to put his money where his mouth is, or continue investing unsustainably, and be punished by FFP. To get FFP off his back, he's can't continue to pay loans to Cardiff City, because the debt will not decrease, therefore FFP won't be pleased, so he'll have to actually invest his money which he won't be happy with. No equity shit. At this stage, when Cardiff start, invevitably, making small loses agai, he'll f**k off back to Malaysia and ask for his money that he leant 2010-2012 back and you'll be in a far worse situation then the likes of Portsmouth.

How the f**k you think we'll be jealous of that is beyond me

I wasnt wrong about anything.

You accused Treharris Jack of "Knowing all about jealousy" therefore implying the Jacks were jealous. Which is nonsense really.

Besides even though I was responding to you initially in that post I was aiming the new paragraph at the OP and those who were agreeing with the crazy spin.

Someone needs to tell them that our club will gain more money from Premier League TV rights next season then will be invested by Vincent Tan in to Cardiff next season.

We've already secured over £100 million from being in the Premier League for two years, when you account the guarenteed parachute payments. We already have the people at the club to make us a long term Premier League team.

So really, you are jealous f**k at us, at the moment.

To be honest, pretty much everyone of us shares the viewpoint of 12th Man. I haven't seen or spoke to any supporter who when I brought up the Cardiff re brand discussion didn't just laugh.

What have we got to be jealous of?

You signing Richard Keogh or Jordan Mutch? We wouldn't take either.
You getting new training facilities? We're getting new training facilities.
You getting a new stadium expansion? We have planned a new stadium expansion.

The reality is that you sold your sole, and your club to some random Malaysian who is going to see the end of you. He sees Cardiff City as an opportunity to invest and to make money, that's why he made the investment to make a complete turn around in the clubs finances. Your not going to get that money back, you know it. Unless you are promoted, which is hardly something you can guarentee or expect, then your going to continue to make loses because you know that changing your shirt colour won't increase attendences or merchandise sales.

Then there's the issue of FFP, which will start in 2013. If you don't go up next season, your truely fucked. At this stage Vincent Tan has to make a decision, the club aren't going to have the finances to pass FFP if they get promoted, carrying on with the way your current finances are working. Whilst i'm not doubting that he plans to invest the whole £100 million he's going to either have to decide to put his money where his mouth is, or continue investing unsustainably, and be punished by FFP. To get FFP off his back, he's can't continue to pay loans to Cardiff City, because the debt will not decrease, therefore FFP won't be pleased, so he'll have to actually invest his money which he won't be happy with. No equity shit. At this stage, when Cardiff start, invevitably, making small loses agai, he'll f**k off back to Malaysia and ask for his money that he leant 2010-2012 back and you'll be in a far worse situation then the likes of Portsmouth.

How the f**k you think we'll be jealous of that is beyond me

Crikey didn't realise you knew VT so well. The only point worth noting here is that the investment is designed to help us get to the prem when we will get the same money as you. So you see it's not an 'either - or' thing. Thanks for the concern though, very touching. Boring, but touching.

I wasnt wrong about anything.

You accused Treharris Jack of "Knowing all about jealousy" therefore implying the Jacks were jealous. Which is nonsense really.

Besides even though I was responding to you initially in that post I was aiming the new paragraph at the OP and those who were agreeing with the crazy spin.

Wow you're hard work. If you read posts correctly you will see that I was saying they know about jealousy since they've spent years of being jealous of us. Not that they were jealous now. So it implied nothing about now which the jack understood. So you were wrong again.

I'll take your 2nd point but it's taken you long enough to redirect your aim.

Back to the OP, I genuinely think that 99.9% of Swans fans would agree with me that we are happy how we are. A board with fans in there, 20% owned by the trust and ticking along nicely.

We had our boom and bust in the past and none of us want to ever go down that path again. If it means we eventually make a few steps backwards, we will accept it and carry on, most of us would view foreign or major investment with a large amount of scepticism.

These are the good times for us down here and I'm sure that in the future there will be the familiar rough patches, however, I wouldn't swap our current position for yours, investment or not.

Wonder if the Rangers fans are laughing at us? and they haven't got so far to fall.

That's correct they were destroyed by a greedy owner who didn't know what he was doing.

Wonder if the Rangers fans are laughing at us? and they haven't got so far to fall.

That's correct they were destroyed by a greedy owner who didn't know what he was doing.

I don't think that was necessarily the case Dazz, as I believe that he may well have known what he was doing!

Bear in mind he took over the club and nigh on immediately asset stripped the club, by borrowing the following umpteen seasons ticket money and without the means to meet their monthly outgoings!

Compare that to VT, who has so far only put his own money into the club to keep us going!

Not wanting to put a dampener on this ridiculous thread but....

1) ''Mr Tans investment'' is in the majority to plug our losses for the next 12 months as well as consolidating our existing debts, dont think super powers in football are made by an investment of around £5-6 million in the playing staff

2) Swansea made £55 million last year and will make £55 million this year... If they go down they earn another £38 million... if the stay up they earn another £82 million with the new TV package = the minimum they would have earned in their visit to the Prem if it ended this year is £148 million - but in all likelyhood it will be £192 million + the £38 million parachute payments MORE THAN TWICE what Tan intends on investing and they can spend theirs on what they like. Do you really think they are jelous? Not to nention the fact they didnt have to change their badge, colours and nickname to achieve that cash they just got their head down and worked hard for it.

3) please can we stop embarassing ourselves.
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thanks.

Speaking as the jacks leader doesn't give you much by way of credence I'm afraid

He has a point though.

But we would get the same if we make the prem but I know that we have a much better chance of doing that with a 100m than the alternative. May not be jealous but they certainly don't want us to have the investment so perhaps nervous is more apt

Jesus wept. You wouldn't 'make the same' as ANY and ALL money earned during your very short stint in the Prem would go straight to the guys 'investing' in Cardiff, you plank.

Not wanting to put a dampener on this ridiculous thread but....

1) ''Mr Tans investment'' is in the majority to plug our losses for the next 12 months as well as consolidating our existing debts, dont think super powers in football are made by an investment of around £5-6 million in the playing staff

2) Swansea made £55 million last year and will make £55 million this year... If they go down they earn another £38 million... if the stay up they earn another £82 million with the new TV package = the minimum they would have earned in their visit to the Prem if it ended this year is £148 million - but in all likelyhood it will be £192 million + the £38 million parachute payments MORE THAN TWICE what Tan intends on investing and they can spend theirs on what they like. Do you really think they are jelous? Not to nention the fact they didnt have to change their badge, colours and nickname to achieve that cash they just got their head down and worked hard for it.

3) please can we stop embarassing ourselves.
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thanks.

Speaking as the jacks leader doesn't give you much by way of credence I'm afraid

He has a point though.

But we would get the same if we make the prem but I know that we have a much better chance of doing that with a 100m than the alternative. May not be jealous but they certainly don't want us to have the investment so perhaps nervous is more apt

Jesus wept. You wouldn't 'make the same' as ANY and ALL money earned during your very short stint in the Prem would go straight to the guys 'investing' in Cardiff, you plank.

My point was we would earn the same, actually more with having bigger gates and revenue streams. With the debt resolved and the Malaysian investment turned to equity, maybe we will be sold. But that means we are sold as a prem league team with revenue streams in tact, you plank.

I may be wrong, but then you know nothing so I may as well assume like you've had to do.

I spent Thursday night in a bar in Glasgow and got talking to some serious Rangers supporters. All five of them, to a man, said they are very jealous of Cardiff's investment, and when they compared our future to that of Rangers, one of them said to me "Taff, I'd give my right arm to have a debate about shirt colour - all we talk about is survival! up here" - it just put a different slant on things for me!!!

I spent Thursday night in a bar in Glasgow and got talking to some serious Rangers supporters. All five of them, to a man, said they are very jealous of Cardiff's investment, and when they compared our future to that of Rangers, one of them said to me "Taff, I'd give my right arm to have a debate about shirt colour - all we talk about is survival! up here" - it just put a different slant on things for me!!!

Shhhh. That can't be said around here as the anti-reds will swear that would never happen to us. The Rangers situation us a massive eye opener that still gets ignored

I wasnt wrong about anything.

You accused Treharris Jack of "Knowing all about jealousy" therefore implying the Jacks were jealous. Which is nonsense really.

Besides even though I was responding to you initially in that post I was aiming the new paragraph at the OP and those who were agreeing with the crazy spin.

Wow you're hard work. If you read posts correctly you will see that I was saying they know about jealousy since they've spent years of being jealous of us. Not that they were jealous now. So it implied nothing about now which the jack understood. So you were wrong again.

I'll take your 2nd point but it's taken you long enough to redirect your aim.

The thing many of you forget is the pre scam hamam days, when we would always finish above you. I saw my first game as a kid in 1979/80 I have no doubt we have finished above you more times than you have us in the years that have followed. And to be fair older cardiff fans could go back further and put a different argument but for me I have had more years of being the best side in South wales than not, I have seen us top the league beat the big boys and win the worlds richest game. Also experienced the dark days, which makes the good times so special.

I spent Thursday night in a bar in Glasgow and got talking to some serious Rangers supporters. All five of them, to a man, said they are very jealous of Cardiff's investment, and when they compared our future to that of Rangers, one of them said to me "Taff, I'd give my right arm to have a debate about shirt colour - all we talk about is survival! up here" - it just put a different slant on things for me!!!

Shhhh. That can't be said around here as the anti-reds will swear that would never happen to us. The Rangers situation us a massive eye opener that still gets ignored

What utter nonsense!!!

We have the potential to do a Rangers wether we are in blue or red. The fact we pay average players like Kenny Miller 25k a week will be our downfall, and a red kit isnt going to change that.