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Re: politicians now realise to many immigrants here

Sat Jun 23, 2012 4:41 pm

jama wrote:
OhhhGa wrote:
Whats ukibs policies on tax and inmigraiion then go gaa? They are the party you support? Unless im mistaken.


You're mistaken I'm afraid, I'm no fan of UKIP and the idiot that is Nigel Farage.

Really? On may 14 you posted under the thread "who would you vote for" your reply was " ukip the only sensible optiion" as well as other quotes supporting ukib. Maybe your the one mistaken. Unless you'r just confused.


Yes I'm obviously confused about my own beliefs.

I would vote for UKIP against any of the three main parties, as I would like to exit the EU. Another dissenting voice in Parliament can only be beneficial. However I do not agree with the majority of their non-EU related policies, thus I would avoid them if there was a chance they could actually gain power.

Re: politicians now realise to many immigrants here

Sat Jun 23, 2012 4:53 pm

A few years back I had the misfortune to work a few months in Sellafield and stayed in Whitehaven, my wife, who's not British, an 'immigrant' at the time and from the Far East so stood out as obviously not British as opposed to a white immigrant from eastern Europe, was subjected to racist abuse in a bar by a load of drunken locals. I found the area very insular and unwelcoming to anyone not from the immediate area.

Racism of any form is not nice and not welcome anywhere. We don't live in the UK anymore (nothing to with that incident I should add, the wife loved and misses the UK and would move back like a shot). So we are now both immigrants in Canada.

The vast majority of immigrants are decent hard working people who are only looking for a decent life for them and their families. Yes certain denominations tend to live close to each other, they dress different and look different and when isolated are subjected to abuse from the less enlightened of us. So of course they stay separate. The cure to that will be seen in future generations when their children and children's children adapt to the British way and Britain adapts in some ways to theirs (a blending pot).

Extremists are just that extreme and in the minority, unfortunately these get all the headlines and then general distrust is shown to whole communities and this in itself forces the wedges wider. This is wrong and how further racism is created without any attempt to understand and welcome the main people who are not extreme.

Re: politicians now realise to many immigrants here

Sat Jun 23, 2012 4:56 pm

krabb wrote:labour are now saying that it is now bad for the british economy,well i got to say "its to f@cking late".....as i have said for a long time we have enough people already here for the jobs available,they now say that eastern europeans driving down pay and its not good.....not enough jobs for youngsters.....and now they are concerned about the greeks coming. :ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah:


Immigrants I thought they were the ones illegally entering the UK ? Migrant workers from the EU are the Eastern europe and are free to travel and work here same as you can go to France or Spain. Ironically it was new Labour who pressed for a central europe and freedom of travel.

Re: politicians now realise to many immigrants here

Sat Jun 23, 2012 5:06 pm

Cefnfforestbluebird wrote:
krabb wrote:labour are now saying that it is now bad for the british economy,well i got to say "its to f@cking late".....as i have said for a long time we have enough people already here for the jobs available,they now say that eastern europeans driving down pay and its not good.....not enough jobs for youngsters.....and now they are concerned about the greeks coming. :ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah:


Immigrants I thought they were the ones illegally entering the UK ? Migrant workers from the EU are the Eastern europe and are free to travel and work here same as you can go to France or Spain. Ironically it was new Labour who pressed for a central europe and freedom of travel.

no...immigrant does not mean illegal....immigrant means someone who has migrated to another country.... :ayatollah: :ayatollah: +

Re: politicians now realise to many immigrants here

Sat Jun 23, 2012 5:08 pm

Cefnfforestbluebird wrote:
krabb wrote:labour are now saying that it is now bad for the british economy,well i got to say "its to f@cking late".....as i have said for a long time we have enough people already here for the jobs available,they now say that eastern europeans driving down pay and its not good.....not enough jobs for youngsters.....and now they are concerned about the greeks coming. :ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah:


Immigrants I thought they were the ones illegally entering the UK ? Migrant workers from the EU are the Eastern europe and are free to travel and work here same as you can go to France or Spain. Ironically it was new Labour who pressed for a central europe and freedom of travel.


Migrant workers I can imagine cause some displacement, what numbers I don't know.

When I lived in London, the place was full of migrant workers and immigrants, who mainly worked the jobs that the youth of Britain deemed to be below them. I lived in a shared house and a couple of the people were unemployed and they would turn their noses up at the jobs around, they could get almost as much money on the dole so had no interest in working.

More recently there was influxes of Polish migrant skilled workers who could undercut the locals for building jobs, they tended to share housing and sent money home and still managed to live, oddly enough with the changing climate, a lot of these have returned home.

Re: politicians now realise to many immigrants here

Sat Jun 23, 2012 5:10 pm

krabb wrote:
Cefnfforestbluebird wrote:
krabb wrote:labour are now saying that it is now bad for the british economy,well i got to say "its to f@cking late".....as i have said for a long time we have enough people already here for the jobs available,they now say that eastern europeans driving down pay and its not good.....not enough jobs for youngsters.....and now they are concerned about the greeks coming. :ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah:


Immigrants I thought they were the ones illegally entering the UK ? Migrant workers from the EU are the Eastern europe and are free to travel and work here same as you can go to France or Spain. Ironically it was new Labour who pressed for a central europe and freedom of travel.

no...immigrant does not mean illegal....immigrant means someone who has migrated to another country.... :ayatollah: :ayatollah: +


Lol I missed that, that's also a general misconception to isn't it. Some people don't recognise the difference between an immigrant, someone who has gone through the legal immigration process and an illegal immigrant who sneaks into the country.

Re: politicians now realise to many immigrants here

Sat Jun 23, 2012 5:10 pm

OhhhGa wrote:
jama wrote:
OhhhGa wrote:
Whats ukibs policies on tax and inmigraiion then go gaa? They are the party you support? Unless im mistaken.


You're mistaken I'm afraid, I'm no fan of UKIP and the idiot that is Nigel Farage.

Really? On may 14 you posted under the thread "who would you vote for" your reply was " ukip the only sensible optiion" as well as other quotes supporting ukib. Maybe your the one mistaken. Unless you'r just confused.


Yes I'm obviously confused about my own beliefs.

I would vote for UKIP against any of the three main parties, as I would like to exit the EU. Another dissenting voice in Parliament can only be beneficial. However I do not agree with the majority of their non-EU related policies, thus I would avoid them if there was a chance they could actually gain power.

I think you'r right. You are confused about your beliefs. Whats ukips policies on inmigration again?

Thats the theme of the thread.

Re: politicians now realise to many immigrants here

Sat Jun 23, 2012 5:11 pm

Snaag wrote:
krabb wrote:
Cefnfforestbluebird wrote:
krabb wrote:labour are now saying that it is now bad for the british economy,well i got to say "its to f@cking late".....as i have said for a long time we have enough people already here for the jobs available,they now say that eastern europeans driving down pay and its not good.....not enough jobs for youngsters.....and now they are concerned about the greeks coming. :ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah:


Immigrants I thought they were the ones illegally entering the UK ? Migrant workers from the EU are the Eastern europe and are free to travel and work here same as you can go to France or Spain. Ironically it was new Labour who pressed for a central europe and freedom of travel.

no...immigrant does not mean illegal....immigrant means someone who has migrated to another country.... :ayatollah: :ayatollah: +


Lol I missed that, that's also a general misconception to isn't it. Some people don't recognise the difference between an immigrant, someone who has gone through the legal immigration process and an illegal immigrant who sneaks into the country.

my brother has moved to canada mate...8 years...he is in calgary :ayatollah: :ayatollah:

Re: politicians now realise to many immigrants here

Sat Jun 23, 2012 5:17 pm

Snaag wrote:A few years back I had the misfortune to work a few months in Sellafield and stayed in Whitehaven, my wife, who's not British, an 'immigrant' at the time and from the Far East so stood out as obviously not British as opposed to a white immigrant from eastern Europe, was subjected to racist abuse in a bar by a load of drunken locals. I found the area very insular and unwelcoming to anyone not from the immediate area.

Racism of any form is not nice and not welcome anywhere. We don't live in the UK anymore (nothing to with that incident I should add, the wife loved and misses the UK and would move back like a shot). So we are now both immigrants in Canada.

The vast majority of immigrants are decent hard working people who are only looking for a decent life for them and their families. Yes certain denominations tend to live close to each other, they dress different and look different and when isolated are subjected to abuse from the less enlightened of us. So of course they stay separate. The cure to that will be seen in future generations when their children and children's children adapt to the British way and Britain adapts in some ways to theirs (a blending pot).

Extremists are just that extreme and in the minority, unfortunately these get all the headlines and then general distrust is shown to whole communities and this in itself forces the wedges wider. This is wrong and how further racism is created without any attempt to understand and welcome the main people who are not extreme.


Your post pretty much covers my feelings on Racism.

Your wife, who is probably a lovely lady, getting stick off a load of 'hills have eyes' inbred Cumbrians.
Its not evil. Its ignorant. Racism, in its basest form is inherent in us all. Its a fear of anything 'different'.
Its always been there. But most of us grow out of our shells, meet different people from different
towns, Cities, Countries and cultures and learn that we're all just people under the skin.

My Brother In Law is as racist as f**k. I toy with him. I dont think he's evil, I think he's stupid.
I rip into him for cheering goals scored by black players :lol: Call him a sell-out for buying his
newspaper in the local Asian newsagents. Call him a traitor for eating chinese food, and a terrorist
sympathiser for eating Indian food :lol: ... its how to deal with it.

I'd LOVE to see a black player at the Euros pick up a banana off the pitch, eat it, beat his chest
like a gorilla... then go and score a hat-trick. THATS how to deal with racism

Re: politicians now realise to many immigrants here

Sat Jun 23, 2012 5:21 pm

taffyapple wrote:
Snaag wrote:A few years back I had the misfortune to work a few months in Sellafield and stayed in Whitehaven, my wife, who's not British, an 'immigrant' at the time and from the Far East so stood out as obviously not British as opposed to a white immigrant from eastern Europe, was subjected to racist abuse in a bar by a load of drunken locals. I found the area very insular and unwelcoming to anyone not from the immediate area.

Racism of any form is not nice and not welcome anywhere. We don't live in the UK anymore (nothing to with that incident I should add, the wife loved and misses the UK and would move back like a shot). So we are now both immigrants in Canada.

The vast majority of immigrants are decent hard working people who are only looking for a decent life for them and their families. Yes certain denominations tend to live close to each other, they dress different and look different and when isolated are subjected to abuse from the less enlightened of us. So of course they stay separate. The cure to that will be seen in future generations when their children and children's children adapt to the British way and Britain adapts in some ways to theirs (a blending pot).

Extremists are just that extreme and in the minority, unfortunately these get all the headlines and then general distrust is shown to whole communities and this in itself forces the wedges wider. This is wrong and how further racism is created without any attempt to understand and welcome the main people who are not extreme.


Your post pretty much covers my feelings on Racism.

Your wife, who is probably a lovely lady, getting stick off a load of 'hills have eyes' inbred Cumbrians.
Its not evil. Its ignorant. Racism, in its basest form is inherent in us all. Its a fear of anything 'different'.
Its always been there. But most of us grow out of our shells, meet different people from different
towns, Cities, Countries and cultures and learn that we're all just people under the skin.

My Brother In Law is as racist as f**k. I toy with him. I dont think he's evil, I think he's stupid.
I rip into him for cheering goals scored by black players :lol: Call him a sell-out for buying his
newspaper in the local Asian newsagents. Call him a traitor for eating chinese food, and a terrorist
sympathiser for eating Indian food :lol: ... its how to deal with it.

I'd LOVE to see a black player at the Euros pick up a banana off the pitch, eat it, beat his chest
like a gorilla... then go and score a hat-trick. THATS how to deal with racism

excellent response TAFFYapple... :D :D :ayatollah: ...you are spot on :ayatollah: :ayatollah:

Re: politicians now realise to many immigrants here

Sat Jun 23, 2012 5:35 pm

jama wrote:
OhhhGa wrote:
jama wrote:
OhhhGa wrote:
Whats ukibs policies on tax and inmigraiion then go gaa? They are the party you support? Unless im mistaken.


You're mistaken I'm afraid, I'm no fan of UKIP and the idiot that is Nigel Farage.

Really? On may 14 you posted under the thread "who would you vote for" your reply was " ukip the only sensible optiion" as well as other quotes supporting ukib. Maybe your the one mistaken. Unless you'r just confused.


Yes I'm obviously confused about my own beliefs.

I would vote for UKIP against any of the three main parties, as I would like to exit the EU. Another dissenting voice in Parliament can only be beneficial. However I do not agree with the majority of their non-EU related policies, thus I would avoid them if there was a chance they could actually gain power.

I think you'r right. You are confused about your beliefs. Whats ukips policies on inmigration again?

Thats the theme of the thread.


I'm not interested in UKIP's policies, I only want to exit the EU.

Re: politicians now realise to many immigrants here

Sat Jun 23, 2012 8:23 pm

Im not a racist, but anyone wishing to come into our country being either economic migrants or asylum seekers should be screened to ensure that they are fit & proper persons, some of them who have entered our country are not & wanted for crimes etc In Poland for example when convicted by the courts they are not sent to prison straight away but wait for a place to become avaliable & thus escape to Britain

I would like the goverment to utilise our many Islands especially in Scotland & screen them like the Australians do with refugees

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/05/world ... wanted=all

:D

Re: politicians now realise to many immigrants here

Sat Jun 23, 2012 10:26 pm

ronnieconradsflatcap wrote:Im not a racist, but anyone wishing to come into our country being either economic migrants or asylum seekers should be screened to ensure that they are fit & proper persons, some of them who have entered our country are not & wanted for crimes etc In Poland for example when convicted by the courts they are not sent to prison straight away but wait for a place to become avaliable & thus escape to Britain

I would like the goverment to utilise our many Islands especially in Scotland & screen them like the Australians do with refugees

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/05/world ... wanted=all

:D



I am a lefty but I got no problem with that