"Bluebirds fans form group to oppose change to red home kit"

I heard that China's away kit is blue so they can sell loads of shirts in Cardiff.

They'll probably sell more blue Chinese shirts in Cardiff than Cardiff Red shirts in China.

Ever thought of being a comedian, 'cos you got me rolling with that one. A lot of successful comedians make a huge living by ridiculing things that have a lot of meaning to a lot of people and the most ruthless ones would even do it in regards to something they were previously associated with. You're a natural.

You've got my full support.

[quote="Tony Blue Williams"]I have got no gripe with those who are oppossed to the rebrand forming an action group with a view to changing back, indeed that is my long term goal to see the Blue shirts return.

However, this 'menu' thing can't have anything in it that would hurt the club or supporters who openly embrace the change. I would also add that before this goes anywhere, the group will have to explain an alternative plan to finance the club which doesn't involve administration.[/quote]

Im all for investment but I still dont understand at all how changing the colour and badge will make things any different in the short term tbh , VT has a long term plan for this move but he and only he knows what it is at the mo !

Why should we move on??

A good question would be, "why do we need to change to red?"

Why do we need to change to red?? simple £100 million and survival of this football club.

Come on, Listen I am a director of a multi-million pound organisation, if someone came along and bought my shares for lets say, £100 million, I couldnt give a rats ass about what they did with it, call it what ever they like.

The problem is with fans is they dont understand the business side of why Tan is doing what he is doing. However, they do care about is the history and the nature of the football club.

Im not attempting to change or convert anyone, I think the club needs to do that by promoting the changes and going ahead with the changes they have advised us all of.

However its really time to move on, its been over 3 weeks sicne the club announced the chnages, but still fans are against it all.

What business side, its been changed on a whim........

As for the new training ground they mentioned - they are looking at staying at the vale now

The stadium expansion - suddenly thats a feasibility study, wont happen

We are a good championship club with good players and a great new stadium, someone would buy us if Tan walked.

If some are willing to give our 104 history up in 3 weeks then thats their cross to bare.

£100m you say, thats a nice figure they plucked out, they even added £2.2m contingency funs just to round it up.

Shiny pennies my friend, shiny pennies

We are a good championship club with good players and a great new stadium, someone would buy us if Tan walked.

I was interested til I read that, Craig this is not personal mate, but you need to Look at Rangers to answer that question. Who in there right mind would spend £70-£100 million on a championship club???? You could by Everton for about the same.

Thats why we have to see where this takes us, if he makes a huge mistake and the club bombs, then so be bit. As you say another billionaire will buy him out and this all starts again..... In the real world this wont happen and every anti-red knows this.

Rangers owed HMRC ridiculous amounts, thats where the CVA failed. We owe HMRC nothing.

If we took a 10 point hit and got our club and badge back then so be it.

So what you are saying is tough luck to local family businesses who will not get paid if we take addmin

My full support also How do we join?????

what local businesses do we owe money to, only debts we have are langston and pmg.

Any chance you could make a sticky of the web address when the website goes live Annis so that everyone can get easy access to it.... should they so desire that is before anyone has a dig.... and if you don't like it then simple.... DON'T BLOODY READ IT, but please don't try and tell me what to do as if I want to oppose this abhorrent rebranding then I am more than entitled to do so....

I will Andy and your right, its up to us what we want to do, those that want to wear Red and accept the Brains Beer badge is up to them, It was not to late to stick with our original Badge and thats a fact.No one will change my mind, I read the Echo today in Cafe and saw the new strip in it, then it really hit home, how bad this new kit is. thats not my Cardiff City, it hurt me looking at it and thats how I feel, disgusted and we looked like a FRANCHISED CLUB.

Cardiff City playing in red shirts with a dragon beer mat for a badge is embarrassing as far as I'm concerned.
I AM BLUE END OFF.

I will there at the next meeting like I was the other night that I organised in the Ninian Park Pub and I will be at every meeting till we get our True Identity back
keepcardiffblue@mail.com

Fantastic! You have my full support.

KEEP CARDIFF BLUE!!

keepcardiffblue@mail.com

I was at the meeting. We will not be rolled over and will do all we can do to ensure we play at Blue at home matches. In the first instance email the keep blue email address a website will be set up shortly.KEEP THE FAITH BLUE IS THE COLOUR


keepcardiffblue@mail.com

Fantastic! You have my full support.

KEEP CARDIFF BLUE!!

keepcardiffblue@mail.com

Same here we need to make our stand, sorry i missed the meeting but i couldn't get out of work.


A perfect theme song for us next season http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4QGPWLY-EM

Yo listen up here's a story
About a little guy that lives in a blue world
And all day and all night and everything he sees
Is just blue like him inside and outside
Blue is his house with a blue little window
And a blue corvette
And everything is blue for him and hisself
And everybody around
Cos he ain't got nobody to listen to

I'm blue da ba dee da ba die...

I have a blue house with a blue window.
Blue is the colour of all that I wear.
Blue are the streets and all the trees are too.
I have a girlfriend and she is so blue.
Blue are the people here that walk around,
Blue like my corvette, it's standing outside.
Blue are the words I say and what I think.
Blue are the feelings that live inside me.

I'm blue da ba dee da ba die...

I have a blue house with a blue window.
Blue is the colour of all that I wear.
Blue are the streets and all the trees are too.
I have a girlfriend and she is so blue.
Blue are the people here that walk around,
Blue like my corvette, it's standing outside.
Blue are the words I say and what I think.
Blue are the feelings that live inside me.

I'm blue da ba dee da ba die...

Inside and outside blue his house
With the blue little window and a blue corvette
And everything is blue for him and hisself
And everybody around cause he aint got
Nobody to listen to

I'm blue da ba dee da ba die...

I'm blue (da ba dee da ba die)

I intend to continue to wear my Blue shirt! The rest is as easy as I am skint so can't afford to go in the club shop etc anyway!

what aload of shit ,time to move on now lads ,youve read the statement from vt why we are being rebranded,if they leave we are in shit worse than rangers cause we play in the english league under the welsh fa we will be playing in the league of wales if you go under so all this talk about 10 point deduction get our club back is bollocks time to wise up and follow CARDIFF CITY ! WHAT EVER COLOURS WE PLAY IN WE WILL ALWAYS BE CARDIFF CITY FACT !

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The protest group is going ahead regardless of what people say,we have our opinions and we are sticking with them,nothing will change our minds so you have to agree to disagree on this one.The red side thought the blue argument was crumbling but little did they know it was building momentum and getting organized by people who know what they are doing and numbers are increasing by the hour.
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what aload of shit ,time to move on now lads ,youve read the statement from vt why we are being rebranded,if they leave we are in shit worse than rangers cause we play in the english league under the welsh fa we will be playing in the league of wales if you go under so all this talk about 10 point deduction get our club back is bollocks time to wise up and follow CARDIFF CITY ! WHAT EVER COLOURS WE PLAY IN WE WILL ALWAYS BE CARDIFF CITY FACT !

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The protest group is going ahead regardless of what people say,we have our opinions and we are sticking with them,nothing will change our minds so you have to agree to disagree on this one.The red side thought the blue argument was crumbling but little did they know it was building momentum and getting organized by people who know what they are doing and numbers are increasing by the hour.
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Thats rite daz its time to stand up and be counted for what we believe in, even the best of malaysian fans can now see what was put to them to start out with about the rebrand and what we as fans was supposed to be geting in return, even this has turned in to nothing but another loan now like the last two season, i for one couldnt give a shit if VT converted all his coin in to equity today and payed everything off which was supposed to be the whole idea of the rebrand before anything else. Its about are colour/badge for me nothing else but bullshit after bullshit comming from the malaysians is cringeworthy

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what aload of shit ,time to move on now lads ,youve read the statement from vt why we are being rebranded,if they leave we are in shit worse than rangers cause we play in the english league under the welsh fa we will be playing in the league of wales if you go under so all this talk about 10 point deduction get our club back is bollocks time to wise up and follow CARDIFF CITY ! WHAT EVER COLOURS WE PLAY IN WE WILL ALWAYS BE CARDIFF CITY FACT !

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The protest group is going ahead regardless of what people say,we have our opinions and we are sticking with them,nothing will change our minds so you have to agree to disagree on this one.The red side thought the blue argument was crumbling but little did they know it was building momentum and getting organized by people who know what they are doing and numbers are increasing by the hour.
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this group gives me hope again, thought I was almost the only one being left embarrassed and offended by seeing the values of our club getting destroyed and raped off our identity.

what aload of shit ,time to move on now lads ,youve read the statement from vt why we are being rebranded,if they leave we are in shit worse than rangers cause we play in the english league under the welsh fa we will be playing in the league of wales if you go under so all this talk about 10 point deduction get our club back is bollocks time to wise up and follow CARDIFF CITY ! WHAT EVER COLOURS WE PLAY IN WE WILL ALWAYS BE CARDIFF CITY FACT !

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The protest group is going ahead regardless of what people say,we have our opinions and we are sticking with them,nothing will change our minds so you have to agree to disagree on this one.The red side thought the blue argument was crumbling but little did they know it was building momentum and getting organized by people who know what they are doing and numbers are increasing by the hour.
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this group gives me hope again, thought I was almost the only one being left embarrassed and offended by seeing the values of our club getting destroyed and raped off our identity.

Your not alone there are many and growing daily we will not be rolled over

I have got no gripe with those who are oppossed to the rebrand forming an action group with a view to changing back, indeed that is my long term goal to see the Blue shirts return.

However, this 'menu' thing can't have anything in it that would hurt the club or supporters who openly embrace the change. I would also add that before this goes anywhere, the group will have to explain an alternative plan to finance the club which doesn't involve administration.

Why would they need to explain a finance plan tony can you not see its the same one that's been going on since they arrived the word LOANS nothing has changed for this rebrand like it was stated when it come to light so what's the diffrence to now and the start of last season NOTHING, we have gained nothing bar lost are colour/badge for what? Tell me what have we gained for this ? More loans like the last two years? You seem to come up with things get your points are void to start with. Please enlighten us all to what we have gained for doing all this and how is the club any better off than it was last season or the season before. The thing is your only reply to everyone is THE MONEY THERE PUTTING IN to keep us going, well tony what have they done to ease that for the last two seasons? Tell us all please.

gained nothing at moment! but where would we be if they hadnt put in the money into the club ? thats what you and others never anser!! yes he as his reasons for investing in us but you dont know why? same as everyone else! its all just speculation, and you cannot deny hes put in the money in without actually taking anything out! thats fact, yes hes charging 7% but as you no its not bad % tage considering state we are in! if you did what he did you want something back at end of it, and hes no different. colour change only he knows why hes done it and yes he knows its not about shirt sales either ! guess one day we will find out why and only then can we thank him or curse him!

I have got no gripe with those who are oppossed to the rebrand forming an action group with a view to changing back, indeed that is my long term goal to see the Blue shirts return.

However, this 'menu' thing can't have anything in it that would hurt the club or supporters who openly embrace the change. I would also add that before this goes anywhere, the group will have to explain an alternative plan to finance the club which doesn't involve administration.

Why would they need to explain a finance plan tony can you not see its the same one that's been going on since they arrived the word LOANS nothing has changed for this rebrand like it was stated when it come to light so what's the diffrence to now and the start of last season NOTHING, we have gained nothing bar lost are colour/badge for what? Tell me what have we gained for this ? More loans like the last two years? You seem to come up with things get your points are void to start with. Please enlighten us all to what we have gained for doing all this and how is the club any better off than it was last season or the season before. The thing is your only reply to everyone is THE MONEY THERE PUTTING IN to keep us going, well tony what have they done to ease that for the last two seasons? Tell us all please.

gained nothing at moment! but where would we be if they hadnt put in the money into the club ? thats what you and others never anser!! yes he as his reasons for investing in us but you dont know why? same as everyone else! its all just speculation, and you cannot deny hes put in the money in without actually taking anything out! thats fact, yes hes charging 7% but as you no its not bad % tage considering state we are in! if you did what he did you want something back at end of it, and hes no different. colour change only he knows why hes done it and yes he knows its not about shirt sales either ! guess one day we will find out why and only then can we thank him or curse him!

Just the reply i was expecting Pembroke allan you have just said what ive mentioned above as a reply and i will quote it again ( The thing is your only reply to everyone is THE MONEY THERE PUTTING IN to keep us going) thats all you lot have go on about, wheres my answers

I have got no gripe with those who are oppossed to the rebrand forming an action group with a view to changing back, indeed that is my long term goal to see the Blue shirts return.

However, this 'menu' thing can't have anything in it that would hurt the club or supporters who openly embrace the change. I would also add that before this goes anywhere, the group will have to explain an alternative plan to finance the club which doesn't involve administration.

Why would they need to explain a finance plan tony can you not see its the same one that's been going on since they arrived the word LOANS nothing has changed for this rebrand like it was stated when it come to light so what's the diffrence to now and the start of last season NOTHING, we have gained nothing bar lost are colour/badge for what? Tell me what have we gained for this ? More loans like the last two years? You seem to come up with things get your points are void to start with. Please enlighten us all to what we have gained for doing all this and how is the club any better off than it was last season or the season before. The thing is your only reply to everyone is THE MONEY THERE PUTTING IN to keep us going, well tony what have they done to ease that for the last two seasons? Tell us all please.

gained nothing at moment! but where would we be if they hadnt put in the money into the club ? thats what you and others never anser!! yes he as his reasons for investing in us but you dont know why? same as everyone else! its all just speculation, and you cannot deny hes put in the money in without actually taking anything out! thats fact, yes hes charging 7% but as you no its not bad % tage considering state we are in! if you did what he did you want something back at end of it, and hes no different. colour change only he knows why hes done it and yes he knows its not about shirt sales either ! guess one day we will find out why and only then can we thank him or curse him!

Pembroke with respect mate,there is no point people coming on here and arguing against the campaign you are wasting your time,I respect your opinion but this group is going full tilt and there is no stopping it,we have argued for weeks about this and there is nothing left to say,you have your opinion and we have ours and we have to fight for our heritage.

What proposals did the group bring to the table to keep the club going if VT decided enough was enough and he walked away tomorrow? Hand on heart every Cardiff fan would prefer to play in blue and keep our old crest. But until someone stumps up enough money to buy CCFC then the shots will be called by a very successful businessman who is also a billionaire. The guy has a plan and a vision and everybody who criticises the changes could do so more constructively by suggesting money saving or money making solutions. I respect everyones opinions pro blue or red but I would like to see the criticism being constructive and solutions presented rather than just moaning about things. As for someone saying in an earlier post "someone would want to buy us" where were all these people when the club was almost on its knees and having transfer embargos placed on us and the Hmrc close to putting winding up orders on us? Hope everyone gets behind the club come August 18th and we as fans are together 100% for the good of CARDIFF CITY FC

All for £100 million that he has ploughed into it, he could sell the club and easily double or treble his money.

Remember, its business to him, he is a self made billionaire, he is not stupid at all.

I think a number of fans are starting to believe this. Think a couple of years down the line VT could have a Premier League side (ranking in the proceeds of the new TV deal), with a 35-40,000 seat stadium, a listed asset (trainning ground), debt free, live Asian TV deals and a top rated UEFA Licence as far as the FFP rules are concerned.

All this for £100m so he sells to a Chinese consortium for £200m which they consider a bargin?

Of course this doesn't really explain why we need red shirts, unless he has a prospective buyer who would prefer red.

The group, called Keep Cardiff Blue, was founded at a private meeting at the Ninian Pub on Monday evening.

Has to be a load of kids.

I heard that China's away kit is blue so they can sell loads of shirts in Cardiff.

They'll probably sell more blue Chinese shirts in Cardiff than Cardiff Red shirts in China.

Ever thought of being a comedian, 'cos you got me rolling with that one. A lot of successful comedians make a huge living by ridiculing things that have a lot of meaning to a lot of people and the most ruthless ones would even do it in regards to something they were previously associated with. You're a natural.

Your a happy sod

I have got no gripe with those who are oppossed to the rebrand forming an action group with a view to changing back, indeed that is my long term goal to see the Blue shirts return.

However, this 'menu' thing can't have anything in it that would hurt the club or supporters who openly embrace the change. I would also add that before this goes anywhere, the group will have to explain an alternative plan to finance the club which doesn't involve administration.

Why would they need to explain a finance plan tony can you not see its the same one that's been going on since they arrived the word LOANS nothing has changed for this rebrand like it was stated when it come to light so what's the diffrence to now and the start of last season NOTHING, we have gained nothing bar lost are colour/badge for what? Tell me what have we gained for this ? More loans like the last two years? You seem to come up with things get your points are void to start with. Please enlighten us all to what we have gained for doing all this and how is the club any better off than it was last season or the season before. The thing is your only reply to everyone is THE MONEY THERE PUTTING IN to keep us going, well tony what have they done to ease that for the last two seasons? Tell us all please.

BB’77 you have to give VT & TG time to implement their plans. You are absolutely correct the investment is in the form of loans for now, but the plan is to eventually turn those loans into equity.

Just because this hasn't happen as quickly as you would have liked that doesn't mean it won't happen and of course the club will gain from this investment.

I can't explain why the Blue shirts had to go. But that was a condition for the investment and without it the club would be in dire straits. You can say all you want that it won't but if VT doesn't put the cash in we will be back to the bad old days of 2 years ago when they weren't here. To say different is complete delusion and I for one would never play Russian Roulette with the clubs future.

I have openly welcomed the formation of your lobbying group and I think it is a good idea, providing you have a credible plan and take a non-confrontational approach.

BORING !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The group, called Keep Cardiff Blue, was founded at a private meeting at the Ninian Pub on Monday evening.

Has to be a load of kids.

Well done

Yes let's keep the divide going between fans and encourage in fighting, let's not buy anything from the club shop or not buy anything beer or food from the ground? This to me is FAR from supporting your club.

Yes let's keep the divide going between fans and encourage in fighting, let's not buy anything from the club shop or not buy anything beer or food from the ground? This to me is FAR from supporting your club.

Dont do it then

All for £100 million that he has ploughed into it, he could sell the club and easily double or treble his money.

Remember, its business to him, he is a self made billionaire, he is not stupid at all.

I think a number of fans are starting to believe this. Think a couple of years down the line VT could have a Premier League side (ranking in the proceeds of the new TV deal), with a 35-40,000 seat stadium, a listed asset (trainning ground), debt free, live Asian TV deals and a top rated UEFA Licence as far as the FFP rules are concerned.

All this for £100m so he sells to a Chinese consortium for £200m which they consider a bargin?

Of course this doesn't really explain why we need red shirts, unless he has a prospective buyer who would prefer red.

Tony I agree an deep down that's there plan.

I have got no gripe with those who are oppossed to the rebrand forming an action group with a view to changing back, indeed that is my long term goal to see the Blue shirts return.

However, this 'menu' thing can't have anything in it that would hurt the club or supporters who openly embrace the change. I would also add that before this goes anywhere, the group will have to explain an alternative plan to finance the club which doesn't involve administration.

Why would they need to explain a finance plan tony can you not see its the same one that's been going on since they arrived the word LOANS nothing has changed for this rebrand like it was stated when it come to light so what's the diffrence to now and the start of last season NOTHING, we have gained nothing bar lost are colour/badge for what? Tell me what have we gained for this ? More loans like the last two years? You seem to come up with things get your points are void to start with. Please enlighten us all to what we have gained for doing all this and how is the club any better off than it was last season or the season before. The thing is your only reply to everyone is THE MONEY THERE PUTTING IN to keep us going, well tony what have they done to ease that for the last two seasons? Tell us all please.

gained nothing at moment! but where would we be if they hadnt put in the money into the club ? thats what you and others never anser!! yes he as his reasons for investing in us but you dont know why? same as everyone else! its all just speculation, and you cannot deny hes put in the money in without actually taking anything out! thats fact, yes hes charging 7% but as you no its not bad % tage considering state we are in! if you did what he did you want something back at end of it, and hes no different. colour change only he knows why hes done it and yes he knows its not about shirt sales either ! guess one day we will find out why and only then can we thank him or curse him!

Pembroke with respect mate,there is no point people coming on here and arguing against the campaign you are wasting your time,I respect your opinion but this group is going full tilt and there is no stopping it,we have argued for weeks about this and there is nothing left to say,you have your opinion and we have ours and we have to fight for our heritage.

actually not arguing against campaign, i dont want red like all of us but hey i dont care what colour we wear but thats me! cardiff city i support not blue shirt! if their is a change red to blue campaign good free speech ect ect, like said before will have to beg to differ on financial side as to be honest can argue either side i dont have clue what vt has in his mind but surely he knows what hes doing thats the point! the other thing is no one against branding comes up with alternative other than to say rather be in x div as long as in blue? people think knight in armour will come and pay off 40mil for free! thats not anser is it? maybe should gone into admin years ago! got rid sam ect start afresh but we are where we are for better or worse looks like vt here for several years to come. unless that knight comes along or he gets fed up with the back biting and pulls plug!