LANGSTON DEAL OFF??

that was probably wrote up last night, the same time apparently the langston deal was shelved.......who knows how long for?

i have merely asked someone that would know if theres any truth in it.....ive never claimed i have "sources" or anything like it.

Yes you did.

You said you had heard whispers from within the club , not just rumour from down the pub.

So either someone senior in the club is risking their future employment by providing you with these whispers or they are from a source that is so junior that they couldn`t possibly know such things , which makes your "whispers" worthless.

Why do people still insist on bragging about connections within the club when they must fall into one of the above two categories?

And if there really are "sources" within the club still leaking confidential information , are they really so stupid that they haven`t learned from the recent salutory lesson of the consequences of telling people things "in confidence"?

i said "whispers from the club" not within the club.........

I class all of us as part of the club..........so....

So you are now claiming that "whispers from the club" could include virtually anyone?

Then why didn`t your original post say you have heard something from a mate , or a fellow fan , or a bloke down the pub or whoever it was and clarify that your source of information was not from within the football club itself? That would have at least made the veracity of your rumour a little clearer for the reader.

Does it really matter? Craig was proved right and you trying pick petty holes really doesn't add anything to the debate.

Tony

You miss the point.

I didn`t claim Craig`s post contained innacurate information. I was just pointing out that if his source was from within the club (and you must surely agree his initial wording strongly suggested this to be the case) then that source has obviously not learned any kind of lesson from the recent damaging leaks that have caused such splits among the fanbase.

That`s not" picking petty holes"as you describe it . It illustrates a potential fundamental weakness in the club`s senior workforce in that one or more of them just can`t be trusted to keep confidential information confidential.

It is different if Sam tells Annis something because
a) he is a friend and confidente of Annis
b) he has a track record of breaching confidences in past negotiations
c) it is in his interests to use a forum such as this to promote one side of a contractual argument whether that side of the argument is the truth (and it may be) or not

Keith

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/footballnation/football-news/2012/05/31/bluebirds-reaping-dividends-of-close-management-bond-91466-31082068/

There is no deal on the table at this current moment, its off .

I need a break


these have been our most succesful yet most horrible years

I'm not sure if i like fooball anymore - really done know if we would be better FC United or AFC Wimbledon or gripping on to false hope and getting knifed with it while your hanging on???

I spend loads and loads of time coming on here and mostly having my day smashed by revelation after revelation
ive had a fuk full for now
(not with the MB - but with CCFC)

I will decide whether to renew my season ticket in time or do what every c**t else i know has done and give it a miss for a bit

CCFC: you breaks my heart you bastards

I'm hearing little whispers from the club that the possible Langston settlement has been totally shelved for the time being, im wondering if Gwyn or Annis (who i think said in thread earlier is off on hols) can shed any light??

If this is the case surely there will be no £100m as VT wont have total control on club and all this red or blue nonense meant f**k all as the "£100m" wouldnt even have materialised even if we agreed to change to red.

Gwyn will not shed any light on it or my big post in here he was red red red all the way because his mate sam would get payed thats all its ever been about with him now hes posting threads with doubts about the malaysians for the 1st time like his sticky here viewtopic.php?f=2&t=82027 but sam aint getting payed, I told you he turns quicker than a hare when will people realise this.

Out of order and uncalled for. Only the other day Annis called for this crap to end and yet someone like you, a regular poster continues with the put downs

Slow news day

would all these people stop coming on here with their 100% reliable HIDDEN SOURCE bullshit and inciting needless panic.

I agree.....it's f*cking pathetic.

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/footballnation/football-news/2012/05/31/bluebirds-reaping-dividends-of-close-management-bond-91466-31082068/

There is no deal on the table at this current moment, its off .

So the £10 million agreement is scrapped? Only CCFC!

i have merely asked someone that would know if theres any truth in it.....ive never claimed i have "sources" or anything like it.

Yes you did.

You said you had heard whispers from within the club , not just rumour from down the pub.

So either someone senior in the club is risking their future employment by providing you with these whispers or they are from a source that is so junior that they couldn`t possibly know such things , which makes your "whispers" worthless.

Why do people still insist on bragging about connections within the club when they must fall into one of the above two categories?

And if there really are "sources" within the club still leaking confidential information , are they really so stupid that they haven`t learned from the recent salutory lesson of the consequences of telling people things "in confidence"?

i said "whispers from the club" not within the club.........

I class all of us as part of the club..........so....

So you are now claiming that "whispers from the club" could include virtually anyone?

Then why didn`t your original post say you have heard something from a mate , or a fellow fan , or a bloke down the pub or whoever it was and clarify that your source of information was not from within the football club itself? That would have at least made the veracity of your rumour a little clearer for the reader.

Does it really matter? Craig was proved right and you trying pick petty holes really doesn't add anything to the debate.

Tony

You miss the point.

I didn`t claim Craig`s post contained innacurate information. I was just pointing out that if his source was from within the club (and you must surely agree his initial wording strongly suggested this to be the case) then that source has obviously not learned any kind of lesson from the recent damaging leaks that have caused such splits among the fanbase.

That`s not" picking petty holes"as you describe it . It illustrates a potential fundamental weakness in the club`s senior workforce in that one or more of them just can`t be trusted to keep confidential information confidential.

It is different if Sam tells Annis something because
a) he is a friend and confidente of Annis
b) he has a track record of breaching confidences in past negotiations
c) it is in his interests to use a forum such as this to promote one side of a contractual argument whether that side of the argument is the truth (and it may be) or not

Keith

Keith I think Craig has already stated that you have got the wrong end of the stick. He said he had heard whispers 'from' the club, he never claimed it came from 'within' the club.

I think you have taken his post out of context and it is clear if you read the rest of the OP that Craig was trying to get clarification of a 'rumour' he had heard which was very responisble of him. So let's not go off on a silly tangent because it will only end up in a game of posting tennis which is boring for other readers.

I'm hearing little whispers from the club that the possible Langston settlement has been totally shelved for the time being, im wondering if Gwyn or Annis (who i think said in thread earlier is off on hols) can shed any light??

If this is the case surely there will be no £100m as VT wont have total control on club and all this red or blue nonense meant f**k all as the "£100m" wouldnt even have materialised even if we agreed to change to red.

Gwyn will not shed any light on it or my big post in here he was red red red all the way because his mate sam would get payed thats all its ever been about with him now hes posting threads with doubts about the malaysians for the 1st time like his sticky here viewtopic.php?f=2&t=82027 but sam aint getting payed, I told you he turns quicker than a hare when will people realise this.

Out of order and uncalled for. Only the other day Annis called for this crap to end and yet someone like you, a regular poster continues with the put downs

Why is it out of order, please enligten me the guys called me all sorts to the point of supporting another team and tar me something im not ive been daya, some guy called ian from nottingham, even the riddler in his lastest out burst in my FAO:BIGGWYNRAM thread which i had removed because i dressed gwyn in a clown suit in there but it wouldnt have happened if he had not called me out trying to make me look a c**t because ive stuck with blue all along with a diffrence of opinion to his, i've said all along the owners are not to be trusted and that still remains the same opinion with me.

Weather you like it or not gywn was red red red all the way scaremongering fans even craigs pointed it out now so im not alone, now hes changed to the extent of putting up threads with doubts over the malaysians all because sam aint getting payed thats the hard truth of it all face it it was never about colour/dragons/the fans or anything else to him.

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/footballnation/football-news/2012/05/31/bluebirds-reaping-dividends-of-close-management-bond-91466-31082068/

There is no deal on the table at this current moment, its off .

Can't help but feel we have missed a trick here

I'm hearing little whispers from the club that the possible Langston settlement has been totally shelved for the time being, im wondering if Gwyn or Annis (who i think said in thread earlier is off on hols) can shed any light??

If this is the case surely there will be no £100m as VT wont have total control on club and all this red or blue nonense meant f**k all as the "£100m" wouldnt even have materialised even if we agreed to change to red.

Gwyn will not shed any light on it or my big post in here he was red red red all the way because his mate sam would get payed thats all its ever been about with him now hes posting threads with doubts about the malaysians for the 1st time like his sticky here viewtopic.php?f=2&t=82027 but sam aint getting payed, I told you he turns quicker than a hare when will people realise this.

Out of order and uncalled for. Only the other day Annis called for this crap to end and yet someone like you, a regular poster continues with the put downs

Why is it out of order, please enligten me the guys called me all sorts to the point of supporting another team and tar me something im not ive been daya, some guy called ian from nottingham, even the riddler in his lastest out burst in my FAO:BIGGWYNRAM thread which i had removed because i dressed gwyn in a clown suit in there but it wouldnt have happened if he had not called me out trying to make me look a c**t because ive stuck with blue all along and said all along the owners are not to be trusted.

Weather you like it or not gywn was red red red all the way scaremongering fans even craigs pointed it out now so im not alone, now hes changed to the extent of putting up threads with doubts over the malaysians all because sam aint getting payed thats the hard truth of it all face it it was never about colour/dragons/the fans or anything else to him.

Simple really because Annis has asked for it to end. It's like being in the playground, I got to call him names because he called me names. At the end of the day your both Cardiff City fans with completely differing views, by all means air your views but don't put down people. If he continues to put you down don't bite, be a bigger man. If you feel strongly you have to defend yourself by reply then by all means do but don;t attack him in a thread he hasn't even contributed to.

I'm hearing little whispers from the club that the possible Langston settlement has been totally shelved for the time being, im wondering if Gwyn or Annis (who i think said in thread earlier is off on hols) can shed any light??

If this is the case surely there will be no £100m as VT wont have total control on club and all this red or blue nonense meant f**k all as the "£100m" wouldnt even have materialised even if we agreed to change to red.

Gwyn will not shed any light on it or my big post in here he was red red red all the way because his mate sam would get payed thats all its ever been about with him now hes posting threads with doubts about the malaysians for the 1st time like his sticky here viewtopic.php?f=2&t=82027 but sam aint getting payed, I told you he turns quicker than a hare when will people realise this.

Out of order and uncalled for. Only the other day Annis called for this crap to end and yet someone like you, a regular poster continues with the put downs

Why is it out of order, please enligten me the guys called me all sorts to the point of supporting another team and tar me something im not ive been daya, some guy called ian from nottingham, even the riddler in his lastest out burst in my FAO:BIGGWYNRAM thread which i had removed because i dressed gwyn in a clown suit in there but it wouldnt have happened if he had not called me out trying to make me look a c**t because ive stuck with blue all along and said all along the owners are not to be trusted.

Weather you like it or not gywn was red red red all the way scaremongering fans even craigs pointed it out now so im not alone, now hes changed to the extent of putting up threads with doubts over the malaysians all because sam aint getting payed thats the hard truth of it all face it it was never about colour/dragons/the fans or anything else to him.

Simple really because Annis has asked for it to end. It's like being in the playground, I got to call him names because he called me names. At the end of the day your both Cardiff City fans with completely differing views, by all means air your views but don't put down people. If he continues to put you down don't bite, be a bigger man. If you feel strongly you have to defend yourself by reply then by all means do but don;t attack him in a thread he hasn't even contributed to.

Annis didnt ask for it to be ended i PM annis asking for it to end, if you think attacking somebody in a thread is saying how it is then maybe you should have been reading some of his replys to basic things ive said over the last few weeks. I dont need to be the bigger man either its is not about whos got the biggest cock here. The cold hard truth is hes nowhere to be seen now sams not getting payed , yet was all red this and scremongering fans for the rebrand 24/7 and in the media now sam is not getting payed hes doubting the malaysians in his own thread but they couldnt put a foot wrong any other time its not rocket science to figure that out now is it. you really couldnt make this shit up.

I really am beginning to believe that VT & Co have had a guts full of us, but are stuck up shit creek financially, knowing full well if they pulled the plug they wouldn't get their money back. Have they the stomach for another season?
Or have they gone past the point of no return?
Something has got to give, otherwise we, as a club, are just going around in circles.

I'm hearing little whispers from the club that the possible Langston settlement has been totally shelved for the time being, im wondering if Gwyn or Annis (who i think said in thread earlier is off on hols) can shed any light??

If this is the case surely there will be no £100m as VT wont have total control on club and all this red or blue nonense meant f**k all as the "£100m" wouldnt even have materialised even if we agreed to change to red.

Gwyn will not shed any light on it or my big post in here he was red red red all the way because his mate sam would get payed thats all its ever been about with him now hes posting threads with doubts about the malaysians for the 1st time like his sticky here viewtopic.php?f=2&t=82027 but sam aint getting payed, I told you he turns quicker than a hare when will people realise this.

Out of order and uncalled for. Only the other day Annis called for this crap to end and yet someone like you, a regular poster continues with the put downs

Why is it out of order, please enligten me the guys called me all sorts to the point of supporting another team and tar me something im not ive been daya, some guy called ian from nottingham, even the riddler in his lastest out burst in my FAO:BIGGWYNRAM thread which i had removed because i dressed gwyn in a clown suit in there but it wouldnt have happened if he had not called me out trying to make me look a c**t because ive stuck with blue all along and said all along the owners are not to be trusted.

Weather you like it or not gywn was red red red all the way scaremongering fans even craigs pointed it out now so im not alone, now hes changed to the extent of putting up threads with doubts over the malaysians all because sam aint getting payed thats the hard truth of it all face it it was never about colour/dragons/the fans or anything else to him.

Simple really because Annis has asked for it to end. It's like being in the playground, I got to call him names because he called me names. At the end of the day your both Cardiff City fans with completely differing views, by all means air your views but don't put down people. If he continues to put you down don't bite, be a bigger man. If you feel strongly you have to defend yourself by reply then by all means do but don;t attack him in a thread he hasn't even contributed to.

That person is someone who thinks it is acceptable to falsely label people as paedophiles, to racially abuse people due to them having a different opinion, to belittle their apparent lack of intelligence when in reality there has proven to be a surplus. The man is deluded, and he really does not need you or anyone to stick up for him. You play the game, you take the hits. He just got smashed, don't try and stick up for the indefensible.

I asked for something i heard to be cleared up by someone that would know.......it makes no difference whether Johnny Briggs told me or Alan bloody Whitely.

I would never divulge where i heard something or who i heard it off just to make myself come across more reliable....i dont care for that label.

Yet you have castigated others for having the same way of doing things?

I asked for something i heard to be cleared up by someone that would know.......it makes no difference whether Johnny Briggs told me or Alan bloody Whitely.

I would never divulge where i heard something or who i heard it off just to make myself come across more reliable....i dont care for that label.

Yet you have castigated others for having the same way of doing things?

Only to people that want to be known as "in the know" posters, i merely asked for some clarification on something.....I hear lots of stuff and never ever post it cos its for my ears only.

If people want to be classed as ITK and continually post as such, its only fair they are asked.

I for one would like the Langston case TO go all the way to court. The cardiff Loving Sam [sorry I'm only Langston's go between]
loaned the club £26 million and charged 7% interest.I hope they end up with nothing.
Go ON V.T AND T.G TAKE THEM FOR ALL YOU CAN GET.

I asked for something i heard to be cleared up by someone that would know.......it makes no difference whether Johnny Briggs told me or Alan bloody Whitely.

I would never divulge where i heard something or who i heard it off just to make myself come across more reliable....i dont care for that label.

Yet you have castigated others for having the same way of doing things?

Only to people that want to be known as "in the know" posters, i merely asked for some clarification on something.....I hear lots of stuff and never ever post it cos its for my ears only.

If people want to be classed as ITK and continually post as such, its only fair they are asked.

Have you got criteria by which you assess if someone wishes to be 'ITK', or merely want something cleared up? I am intrigued

I for one would like the Langston case TO go all the way to court. The cardiff Loving Sam [sorry I'm only Langston's go between]
loaned the club £26 million and charged 7% interest.I hope they end up with nothing.
Go ON V.T AND T.G TAKE THEM FOR ALL YOU CAN GET.

If they thought they could, why would they bother trying to negotiate??

I for one would like the Langston case TO go all the way to court. The cardiff Loving Sam [sorry I'm only Langston's go between]
loaned the club £26 million and charged 7% interest.I hope they end up with nothing.
Go ON V.T AND T.G TAKE THEM FOR ALL YOU CAN GET.

If they thought they could, why would they bother trying to negotiate??

Brinkmanship

I asked for something i heard to be cleared up by someone that would know.......it makes no difference whether Johnny Briggs told me or Alan bloody Whitely.

I would never divulge where i heard something or who i heard it off just to make myself come across more reliable....i dont care for that label.

Yet you have castigated others for having the same way of doing things?

Only to people that want to be known as "in the know" posters, i merely asked for some clarification on something.....I hear lots of stuff and never ever post it cos its for my ears only.

If people want to be classed as ITK and continually post as such, its only fair they are asked.

Have you got criteria by which you assess if someone wishes to be 'ITK', or merely want something cleared up? I am intrigued

yes i do......like i said, by continually posting about "i know this or i know that" or "this is 100% true or not" when no-one actually knows.

If you read all my posts in this thread i think its quite obvious I was asking if something i heard was correct, not broadcasting it as 100% correct.

I for one would like the Langston case TO go all the way to court. The cardiff Loving Sam [sorry I'm only Langston's go between]
loaned the club £26 million and charged 7% interest.I hope they end up with nothing.
Go ON V.T AND T.G TAKE THEM FOR ALL YOU CAN GET.

If they thought they could, why would they bother trying to negotiate??

Brinkmanship

Possibly, they are all arrogant enough to try it.

I for one would like the Langston case TO go all the way to court. The cardiff Loving Sam [sorry I'm only Langston's go between]
loaned the club £26 million and charged 7% interest.I hope they end up with nothing.
Go ON V.T AND T.G TAKE THEM FOR ALL YOU CAN GET.

Isn't that essentially what the Malaysian investors have done over the past 2 seasons, give or take a few million pounds?

I for one would like the Langston case TO go all the way to court. The cardiff Loving Sam [sorry I'm only Langston's go between]
loaned the club £26 million and charged 7% interest.I hope they end up with nothing.
Go ON V.T AND T.G TAKE THEM FOR ALL YOU CAN GET.

If they thought they could, why would they bother trying to negotiate??

Spot on Craig, because the Malaysians also agreed the debt when they joined the board, its in b/w.

I for one would like the Langston case TO go all the way to court. The cardiff Loving Sam [sorry I'm only Langston's go between]
loaned the club £26 million and charged 7% interest.I hope they end up with nothing.
Go ON V.T AND T.G TAKE THEM FOR ALL YOU CAN GET.

If they thought they could, why would they bother trying to negotiate??

Spot on Craig, because the Malaysians also agreed the debt when they joined the board, its in b/w.

So when these new terms was put in front of sam/pmg on the day of this big meeting between all partys did the malaysians expect both sides to sign it on there terms which was changed again in front of there eyes for the 1st time. what planet do they think pmg/sam are on. Something just does not add up what there doing we hear 100million one min we want full control and the next they will not pay 1/3 rd of whats owned in new terms to both partys only to make more new terms and go back on the ones agreed prior, this will go on forever

[quote="bluebird1977"]Vt was never going to invest a 100million for many reasons i really dont know where we get this 100million figure from as it was only a suggested figure in one of the meetings with fans reps by people on the board talking for the malaysians on the night of this meeting about the rebrand. For a start VT will not settle pmg/langston THERE BOTH DEAD DEALS AS IM TYPING THIS (not that it may not happen again in six months but rite now there dead) it was never about the 100million all of this.

VT couldnt give two flying pigs about what us fans think weather it be dragons/red shirts to go with the inhouse fighting which is the sad part, So all the shouting from the forums and scaremongering of him walking away was pointless by us all whatever camp we was in red or blue besides the new home red shirts was on order before it all come to light that says it all about how he cares for are opinions as fans or fans leaders as they say.

When the meeting come langston had an agreement which we was all told is ready to be signed by all involved and the same with PMG on here and in the media we was all told about this its all 99% done bar signatures. Come sitting around the table time all in the same room ready to sign to speak THE MALAYSIANS had changed the agreements again as follows, sam wanted ten million upfront he walks away we all move on and same with pmg. This was changed to three million in one payment and seven million over the next few seasons in bits to a total of ten million which is still eighteen million less than whats hes owed to start with (28 million) im sure if sam had agreed these new tinkered terms and pmg to any of these new terms the malaysians would be claiming in the media TWENTY EIGHT MILLION PAYED OFF TO LANGSTON & PMG GONE iwth us fans bowing down to them but this was never the case. Whats to say they wouldnt mess these two parties about again next year would the malaysians grind down some more on langston/pmg with payments along with new agreements being wrote up again when it suited them, so nobody can blame themeither for pulling the plug on any deal.

We got a 1.2million pound a month leak going from the club what are they doing about that?? because i wish somebody would tell me bar sit on 7% apr when they have have to bridge the gap monthly. We have a ray ranson deal (the riddler ) where players worth three million who are sold ALL THE MONEY GOES TO HIM so the malaysians dont sell players because theres nothing in it for them yet we take the dont offer new contract to some players worth millions let them leave for free like burke, jay, others route.

If the malaysians are serious about TAKING US TO THE PREM AND GETTING A RETURN both pmg/langston need to go first now if there all going to argue over how things are payed when both partys want a 3rd of what there owned what hope as fans have we got of these deals getting done sometime soon whats worse is when things are agreed yet the malaysians turn around and change it on SIGN HERE day unknown to both partys like already stated. These are the same people who want prem football but wouldnt langston/pmg want more money if we was in the prem due to more money streams comming in to the club like sky money ect ect yet here we are no further than we was 12months ago with both partys that we need to get rid off for sure if we are to move on.

All we get to hear is the malaysians are paying 1.2million pound a month to keep us afloat from fans who claim there some kind of world savious but clearly there not as nothings been getting done about this 1.2million pound every month for two seasons at all nore will it change.

As for all this bidding for him or linked to this player in the press thats another whole story again but above is about PMG/LANGSTON after all nothing is ever going to happen with the 100million dream some fans have been creaming there pants over untill both are from the club so ask yourselfs this WHY ARE THEY STILL HERE if the malaysians want to move on and have 100million yet do not agree to agreements already agreed but only change the angle on the agreements when all partys are sat around a table.
Oh pray do tell us oh enlightened one....how the hell do you know all this to be FACT??????????

We have been hearing for over 5 years that the Langston debt is about to be resolved. This is going to run and run. And yes the Malaysians have got us all at each others throats for fook all.

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I would say the person who leaked it has rather than the Malaysians. They didnt plan on releasing anything until it was all sorted or so those who went to the meetings suggested.

If it hadn't of been leaked it would of been bought in on the quiet. Then it would of been murder. I am glad someone had the bollocks to spill the beans.

Agreed, I'd be happy to shake the leakers hand, he did us a service.
One of the things that made me the most angry was the way it had been planned in secret for a year and that we were being told to like it or lump it with no consultation, hence why it had to be leaked.

Oh pray do tell us oh enlightened one....how the hell do you know all this to be FACT??????????

Maybe read through this thread instead you copy and paste my 1st post and claiming im jesus because if i was then we wouldnt be in the championship or a near 80million in the red even to the extent of watching hoofball on a sat @3pm
If you can debunk anything in there yyour more than welcome

Agreed, I'd be happy to shake the leakers hand, he did us a service.
One of the things that made me the most angry was the way it had been planned in secret for a year and that we were being told to like it or lump it with no consultation, hence why it had to be leaked.

snap

Agreed, I'd be happy to shake the leakers hand, he did us a service.
One of the things that made me the most angry was the way it had been planned in secret for a year and that we were being told to like it or lump it with no consultation, hence why it had to be leaked.

snap

Really? If it was like it or lump it why have they changed?