Sam's looking well

Craig,
The original £3.5 mill that Sam put in in the year 2000 was Sam's personal money, which he agrees was quite happy to lose.nothing to do with the £24 mill.
I am staying out of this debate, only got involved for one second because Bluebird 1977 asked me. But I leave you all to it and try your best at Sam bashing.

I feel you should say how it is annis. We can all have are say i feel we had good times and bad times under sam but thats what i think and ive posted them are current owners are no diffrent they will leave one day and we will have an opinion on them also, we are all diffrent.Annis i asked you to post what you think for many reasons first of all you know him better than most and of course would not discuss certain money figures or certain things he wants to keep private, secondly i know its hard to see anything said bad towards someone your close to like in this thread which can be a pain in the arse and last but not least i feel you should defend him on your own board with facts that maybe others did not know or how else do people get the truth????? maybe one day you will write a book

Anyone know of a Google app or something that will help translate that post?

Funny others are replying to it berwyn it must be your old age and caveman name kicking in.

The club seem to hold all the cards, certainly until we are promoted anyway. The club doesnt have 24m to give Langston so they cant have it, simple as that.

If Langston thought they could get it through the courts they would have by now.

Luke,
Its £36 mill now thanks to the Riddler and no payments have been paid for over a year. I will leave it at that for now.

Well we certainly dont have that

Langston clearly want the money, they failed in court last time and since havent been paid a penny which makes me feel they dont believe they have a chance through the courts.

Im guessing obviously but I feel like the club have no intention of paying Langston anything or will eventually offer them a small percentage of what they are owed.

oh come on stop taking us for mugs he had his 3.5 million back through astronomical consultancy payments to another of his companys.

Im 50-50 on it.

Would we be where we are today if he didnt come in at that time?
Possible but probably not.

Was it a good ride? The best.

Do I want him back anywhere near the club? No chance

Does he have right to that money? Not all of it and certainly not the interest.

The club seem to hold all the cards, certainly until we are promoted anyway. The club doesnt have 24m to give Langston so they cant have it, simple as that.

If Langston thought they could get it through the courts they would have by now.

Luke,
Its £36 mill now thanks to the Riddler and no payments have been paid for over a year. I will leave it at that for now.

Well we certainly dont have that

Langston clearly want the money, they failed in court last time and since havent been paid a penny which makes me feel they dont believe they have a chance through the courts.

Im guessing obviously but I feel like the club have no intention of paying Langston anything or will eventually offer them a small percentage of what they are owed.

No Luke, they were being paid monthly after the court case, but in the last year, they have been paid zero.

I remember monthly fees were agreed but I didn't think PR followed through with them.

I remember monthly fees were agreed but I didn't think PR followed through with them.

Yes he did for a time, then stopped but eventually caught up with them as he wanted a new deal done which was done to get us new buyers in.

Craig,
The original £3.5 mill that Sam put in in the year 2000 was Sam's personal money, which he agrees was quite happy to lose.nothing to do with the £24 mill.
I am staying out of this debate, only got involved for one second because Bluebird 1977 asked me. But I leave you all to it and try your best at Sam bashing.

I feel you should say how it is annis. We can all have are say i feel we had good times and bad times under sam but thats what i think and ive posted them are current owners are no diffrent they will leave one day and we will have an opinion on them also, we are all diffrent.Annis i asked you to post what you think for many reasons first of all you know him better than most and of course would not discuss certain money figures or certain things he wants to keep private, secondly i know its hard to see anything said bad towards someone your close to like in this thread which can be a pain in the arse and last but not least i feel you should defend him on your own board with facts that maybe others did not know or how else do people get the truth????? maybe one day you will write a book

Anyone know of a Google app or something that will help translate that post?

Funny others are replying to it berwyn it must be your old age and caveman name kicking in.

Perhaps those replying have lots of experience working with small children and retards. I lack that patience sorry.

Craig,
The original £3.5 mill that Sam put in in the year 2000 was Sam's personal money, which he agrees was quite happy to lose.nothing to do with the £24 mill.
I am staying out of this debate, only got involved for one second because Bluebird 1977 asked me. But I leave you all to it and try your best at Sam bashing.

I feel you should say how it is annis. We can all have are say i feel we had good times and bad times under sam but thats what i think and ive posted them are current owners are no diffrent they will leave one day and we will have an opinion on them also, we are all diffrent.Annis i asked you to post what you think for many reasons first of all you know him better than most and of course would not discuss certain money figures or certain things he wants to keep private, secondly i know its hard to see anything said bad towards someone your close to like in this thread which can be a pain in the arse and last but not least i feel you should defend him on your own board with facts that maybe others did not know or how else do people get the truth????? maybe one day you will write a book

Anyone know of a Google app or something that will help translate that post?

Funny others are replying to it berwyn it must be your old age and caveman name kicking in.

Perhaps those replying have lots of experience working with small children and retards. I lack that patience sorry.

At your stage in life maybe you should stick to your photography obsession and leave the message boards alone old man .So heres a pack of werther's originals to go with your pipe and slippers all you need now is a log fire

i think alot on here stick up for sam purely because they are friends with him.. if they wernt friends they would be having a go at him.

i think alot on here stick up for sam purely because they are friends with him.. if they wernt friends they would be having a go at him.

I say it as I find, no matter what. Yes I am good friends with him.

i wonder what people will think of the malaysians once they leave how intresting that will be, Ive said alot of things about them and got bashed all over for it just for questioning what there in it for. I know for a fact most of the people who slated me for some of the things ive said about the malaysians are the ones who arse licked sam when he was here but now slag him off on this message board, how ironic that will be.The bottom line is whoever runs us we will always owe money to so they are no diffrent.

I find myself in the middle on all these issues about Sam.

My only interest is the good of our club, and I will always retain a massive liking for Sam, as without him I firmly believe we would be nowhere near where we now are as a club.

Up until last May, I'd always wanted to see Sam back, and firmly believed it was possible. However, following the press release from tha Malaysians about the 'forensic accounting' in May 2011 it seemed obvious to me that there was no way that the two would ever work together, as that struck me as a very confident and defiant act by the Malaysians - and if its a choice between the two, then despite my liking and loyalty to Sam, I think our future as a club is better in the hands of the Malaysians, and I have therefore made my choice and support Vincent Tan and TG.

If my trust in the Malaysians proved to be naive, and they were to leave us in a mess, and Sam still wanted to come back, then I would welcome him with open arms - and I will always retain a massive liking for the guy, and still have my grog of Sam proudly displayed in the house.

However, as for the legal issues, given the fact that Sam was prepared to make an application for Summary Judgment, which he comprehesively lost, and has not challenged the fact that he has not been paid any money for the last year or so, then it seems to me that the Malaysians must be very confident that their forensic accountants would win any battle that he could bring to Court, and Sam must know that, to accept the current situation without even raising a whimper about it.

Having read the quotes from the Judgment from the High Court above, it seems to me that Sam is not going to get anywhere near as much as 24 million back - and the Malaysians know this - the probability is that they won't pay him a penny back until we get to the Premiership, and then make him a much smaller offer than 24 million, which he would be wise to take, as otherwise a court battle could be very expensive for him, and he could end up paying a lot more in costs and it would be a case of throwing good money after bad as far as Sam is concerned.

I'm no expert though, but that's my honest opinion from reading the excerpts from the transcripts of the judgment referred to above.

My psoition is that, as long as its for the good of the club, I'd be happy, but Sam should get what he's genuinely owed - but not any excessive interest that may (or may not) have been put into any of the agreements.

i wonder what people will think of the malaysians once they leave how intresting that will be, Ive said alot of things about them and got bashed all over for it just for questioning what there in it for. I know for a fact most of the people who slated me for some of the things ive said about the malaysians are the ones who arse licked sam when he was here but now slag him off on this message board, how ironic that will be.The bottom line is whoever runs us we will always owe money to so they are no diffrent.

Ive never liked him and ive stuck with it Plus these topics get good viewings and debate

i think alot on here stick up for sam purely because they are friends with him.. if they wernt friends they would be having a go at him.

I say it as I find, no matter what. Yes I am good friends with him.

Yes i know your friends nothing wrong with that

I think Annis knows SH fairly well and he considers him a friend...all good and well. However, I do think after following the boards for sometime there are others who support Sam because they were made to feel "special" and indeed half sneered when it appeared the club were in trouble with Langston. (that didn't last long)

We are Cardiff City fans and to be honest I think SH should be left to your own personal opinions and let's drop him from Cardiff City talk, most know the Malaysians are the one's to be thanked and they are in control. Show SH loyalty as a "friend" if you must in your personal life but to attempt to fight his corner publicly reflects on the fans and the club in general.

It reminds me of Wimbledon fans warning us to be careful and that one day he would shaft us....or attempt to. How many were listening? I certainly wasn't.

i wonder what people will think of the malaysians once they leave how intresting that will be, Ive said alot of things about them and got bashed all over for it just for questioning what there in it for. I know for a fact most of the people who slated me for some of the things ive said about the malaysians are the ones who arse licked sam when he was here but now slag him off on this message board, how ironic that will be.The bottom line is whoever runs us we will always owe money to so they are no diffrent.

Ive never liked him and ive stuck with it Plus these topics get good viewings and debate

I know where your comming from jinks,i never really took to him either but he got us where we are today even with massive debt still owed but thats football i had great times going through the leagues while he was here, it brings a good debate also like you said but i know for sure one day we will be saying the same things about the current owners and most who back them 100% now will be saying the reverse.Thats the roller coaster ride we all have to put up with at some point

I find myself in the middle on all these issues about Sam.

My only interest is the good of our club, and I will always retain a massive liking for Sam, as without him I firmly believe we would be nowhere near where we now are as a club.

Up until last May, I'd always wanted to see Sam back, and firmly believed it was possible. However, following the press release from tha Malaysians about the 'forensic accounting' in May 2011 it seemed obvious to me that there was no way that the two would ever work together, as that struck me as a very confident and defiant act by the Malaysians - and if its a choice between the two, then despite my liking and loyalty to Sam, I think our future as a club is better in the hands of the Malaysians, and I have therefore made my choice and support Vincent Tan and TG.

If my trust in the Malaysians proved to be naive, and they were to leave us in a mess, and Sam still wanted to come back, then I would welcome him with open arms - and I will always retain a massive liking for the guy, and still have my grog of Sam proudly displayed in the house.

However, as for the legal issues, given the fact that Sam was prepared to make an application for Summary Judgment, which he comprehesively lost, and has not challenged the fact that he has not been paid any money for the last year or so, then it seems to me that the Malaysians must be very confident that their forensic accountants would win any battle that he could bring to Court, and Sam must know that, to accept the current situation without even raising a whimper about it.

Having read the quotes from the Judgment from the High Court above, it seems to me that Sam is not going to get anywhere near as much as 24 million back - and the Malaysians know this - the probability is that they won't pay him a penny back until we get to the Premiership, and then make him a much smaller offer than 24 million, which he would be wise to take, as otherwise a court battle could be very expensive for him, and he could end up paying a lot more in costs and it would be a case of throwing good money after bad as far as Sam is concerned.

I'm no expert though, but that's my honest opinion from reading the excerpts from the transcripts of the judgment referred to above.

My psoition is that, as long as its for the good of the club, I'd be happy, but Sam should get what he's genuinely owed - but not any excessive interest that may (or may not) have been put into any of the agreements.

Good post

What he was trying to say

Right bluebird 1977 i could not give a shit what you say about me but you called my son a Muppet and you are bang out of order. He is 14 years old and you a grown man is calling him a Muppet from behind a keyboard. Does that make you feel hard or something ?

What he was trying to say

Right bluebird 1977 i could not give a shit what you say about me but you called my son a Muppet and you are bang out of order. He is 14 years old and you a grown man is calling him a Muppet from behind a keyboard. Does that make you feel hard or something ?

chillax nukes i could have put anything in that post

It's illegal to lend a company money from another one of your own companies and charge extortiante interest rates. Sam wont take this to court as he would be outed as langston officially. The malaysians know this, Sam knows the Malaysians know this and the malaysians know that sam knows that the malaysians know this

Ans what extortionate rate are you referring to, are you aware of the interest rate or just making up bollox as you go along, there was no extortionate interest rate. All the big interest rate loans were arranged by people still involved in the club, and they would not lend us a penny without security against assets of the club, get some facts correct before spouting out shit you know nowt about.

And? He was denied leave to appeal that summary judgement, that's all.

But the content of the written judgemnt was important. Briggs LJ refused Langston's application for Summary Judgment on the grounds that "there is a reasonable prospect of the the Defendants (the Club) filing a successful defence" or words to that effect.

In legal terms that is quite a strong indication as to the final outcome of a case, hence Langston's reticence to take things any further.

No "not a successful defense" just the fact that the club had grounds in their opinion to make a defense, all the judge was saying is that both parties would have to go to court to present their cases, don't see how that is viewed as a victory for either party, just means another costly long drawn out payday for a load of lawyers.

It's illegal to lend a company money from another one of your own companies and charge extortiante interest rates. Sam wont take this to court as he would be outed as langston officially. The malaysians know this, Sam knows the Malaysians know this and the malaysians know that sam knows that the malaysians know this

Extortionate amounts of interest? Really? And you can back that up can you? No? Thought not. You'll be telling us next that he tortured puppies by pulling their little tails off. I mean, f*cking hell, street corners don't need any old women with people like you around do they.

Well, if you read all the loan notes that keep getting pushed on this site, you would know!

And where does it mention rates of interest on these loan notes that were agreed by both parties to benefit both parties at the time in question.

my opinion on Sam has changed over time. I started watching City every game in Sams era as I was old enough to start going with mates etc. And I will always be thankful of his time here. A year ago the idea of Sam coming back I would have been ok with that as I felt we were stale, and needed a boost a new energy etc. Onlt if he had f**k all to do with the finances!



Since Malky has come in and all the negativity from the anti Malaysians poster has subsided I am more thn happy with what the Malaysians and always have been. So for me I wouldnt want Sam coming back and upseting the momentum and the feel good factor we have here under MM and the Malyasians!!

When people turn to sarcasm/snipes and taking the piss it means they know f**k all and cant put a decent debate up.




Of course Sam is the head of Langston, but he is not Langston, he is the head of a group of Lebanese business men, who Sam got together to lend the Club £24 mill, not Sams money, they want it back. I continue to watch everyone turn to snipes/jokes like they are because they dont know the truth/facts.

Annis, thats contrary to what Gwyn said earlier though.

How is he a crook Jinx, he is one of the few people who actually lost his own money at our club rather than make a fortune from it, crooks steal things, what has he stolen, and unless I'm wrong we still owe him 24 million pounds ALA the Langstone debt, can you imagine any other people being prepared to wait this long for their money?

Of course he lost his own money, he paid three million plus to buy the club, has he had that back? he wrote off six million pound in management fees he was to have been paid during his time there, so that's nine million, there is no doubt who ever Langstons are, Sam must have some money invested in them to be part of things, SO YES HE HAS USED AND LOST A LOT OF HIS OWN MONEY, but yes we do owe 24 million to Langstons, this could have been paid back easily out of the assets left at the club when Sam left, but as any been paid back? Lot's of people have and still are making a fortune out of what Sam started at our club, as of yet he ain't one of them.

oh come on stop taking us for mugs he had his 3.5 million back through astronomical consultancy payments to another of his companys.

Im 50-50 on it.

Would we be where we are today if he didnt come in at that time?
Possible but probably not.

Was it a good ride? The best.

Do I want him back anywhere near the club? No chance

Does he have right to that money? Not all of it and certainly not the interest.

It wasn't 3.5 million it was 6 million and it wasn't taken, as for astronomical consultancy payments, we need to look to others for that, Sam had nothing at the end of the day, FACT.

Gwyn, You said "we owe him (SAM) £24m" its there in black and white. Now you're backtracking saying we owe him "some money" he invested in Langston, whilst above you, Annis said none of it's his money it's langstons' Can you not understand why some people think it's a joke!

No need to get so aggressive if people are questioning things. Just because you adore Sam, doesnt mean we all have to

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i think alot on here stick up for sam purely because they are friends with him.. if they wernt friends they would be having a go at him.

Having a go at him for what, for having a go at getting us from the bottom of the fourth division with 3,000 crowds and a derelict stadium with a reputation that no one would touch with a barge pole.
People either have short memories or have only been watching us for a short time, where were we heading before Sam cam along and woke us up?

I thought Rudgwick or whatever Sams company was called took consultancy fees running into millions that was named in the accounts?

Wished i never put the photo up now Chiefs

i think alot on here stick up for sam purely because they are friends with him.. if they wernt friends they would be having a go at him.

Having a go at him for what, for having a go at getting us from the bottom of the fourth division with 3,000 crowds and a derelict stadium with a reputation that no one would touch with a barge pole.
People either have short memories or have only been watching us for a short time, where were we heading before Sam cam along and woke us up?

We were not bottom of the 4th we only just got relegated from the third division.