The Iron Lady

Murdering Barstard who ordered the sinking of the General Belgrano despite the fact it was outside the exclusion zone and sailing away from the Falklands. Thus triggering the Falklands war and ensuring many Welsh Guards were killed and badly injured when the Argentinians bomber Bluff Cove then got re elected on the back of our 'glorious victory' in the war that she had caused :twist

She closed the pits and mobolised the police force and made sure they were well paid to hit shit out of striking miners who were protesting to try and save their jobs. Devastated communities in the S.Wales valleys and has blood on her hands because some people committed suicide has they were in utter despair.

Personally i hope she doesn't die any time soon but instead lives in misery sitting in her own piss and shit with spittle dribbling down her chin then on the day that she does expire i will open a bottle or 2 to celebrate the old cows passing

You what !!! You say nothing of the sinking of our ships during the War and our dead. Those Argies sunk those ships and you bleat over the Belgrano f**k me what side are you on ? The evidence was suggesting it was inside the exclusion zone but any way who f*cking cares ? It was war not a bloody T party. The War was triggered by the Argies invading the Falklands and the deaths of our Lads was down to the Argies not Thatcher. I know several who served in the Falklands and if they read your remarks they would feel insulted and regard you as a traitor.
And with the miners it was Scargill as well as Thatcher that destroyed them, a joint effort by the rest of them.

Actually, Thatcher could've sent ships down before it kicked off, which led to alot of deaths.

no she couldnt the military budget was cut and cut the fleet in the falklands leaving it wide open, though the defence review deemed the risk of invasion of the falklands to be minimal at best. The fact the Argentinians invaded came as a complete shock and saw Britain off guard

I've said it before and I said it again. DONT CUT THE f*cking DEFENSE BUDGET.

Small rant over.

easier said than done we were in the depths of the Cold War and a recession, I dont think anyone at the time would have argued a real threat in the falklands and the bigger threat came from Russia and the Soviet States, so the money was reassessed and put towards the Cold War, whoever thought some insignificant islands in the South Pacific would have been so important.

Not the point, we should be defending our territories no matter what. Perhaps we did know the Argies were gonna attack? Perhaps we didn't.[/quote]

well we had one ship down there at the time and in a perfect world i would agree with you but money only goes so far and sometimes defence reviews are wrong whoever thought 9/11 would happen our defence review never factored in for it and left our forces completely unprepared and ill-equipped for action on 2 fronts in the desert. Defence Reviews are brilliant things and really make you think about your countries strategic threats but it always leaves you open to the unknown or the unlikely

Murdering Barstard who ordered the sinking of the General Belgrano despite the fact it was outside the exclusion zone and sailing away from the Falklands. Thus triggering the Falklands war and ensuring many Welsh Guards were killed and badly injured when the Argentinians bomber Bluff Cove then got re elected on the back of our 'glorious victory' in the war that she had caused :twist

She closed the pits and mobolised the police force and made sure they were well paid to hit shit out of striking miners who were protesting to try and save their jobs. Devastated communities in the S.Wales valleys and has blood on her hands because some people committed suicide has they were in utter despair.

Personally i hope she doesn't die any time soon but instead lives in misery sitting in her own piss and shit with spittle dribbling down her chin then on the day that she does expire i will open a bottle or 2 to celebrate the old cows passing

You what !!! You say nothing of the sinking of our ships during the War and our dead. Those Argies sunk those ships and you bleat over the Belgrano f**k me what side are you on ? The evidence was suggesting it was inside the exclusion zone but any way who f*cking cares ? It was war not a bloody T party. The War was triggered by the Argies invading the Falklands and the deaths of our Lads was down to the Argies not Thatcher. I know several who served in the Falklands and if they read your remarks they would feel insulted and regard you as a traitor.
And with the miners it was Scargill as well as Thatcher that destroyed them, a joint effort by the rest of them.

Not going to get in a huge argument and yes the Argentines had invaded the Falklands which triggered the crisis however attempts were being made to broker a diplomatic solution but once the Belgrano was sunk there was no way the Argentiniams would back down and all out war was inevitable which is exactly what Thatcher and the tories wanted.

With regards to be regarded as a traitor i also knew boys who served in the Falklands and i supported them has i have always supported our forces in any conflict. However one of the boys who was out in the Falklands told me in many cases they were fighting against Argentinian conscripts some who were has young has 15 and basically the soldiers on both sides didn't want to be there but were pawns in a politically motivated war.

With regards the miners i agree about your comments that Scargill was also responsible for the miners strike but Thatcher was determined to smash the Unions come what may and didn't give a damm for anyone else and the suffering she caused has i said an heartless cow and i hope she suffers until the day she finally expires

Avoid all out war ?? War was already started when the Argies invaded. The fact that a cruel regime used under age conscripts has nothing to do with it, no diplomacy would of kicked them off the island you know that. As for our Boys not wanting to be there ??? Well they got the chance to do what they were trained to do. They joined to fight and even though you may deny it that is the truth, the fact a lot of them lost there lives is extremely sad but they are our islands and the inhabitants want to be part of the UK. And we were right to kick them off our islands

Thatcher wanted that War. She needed it. Sinking the Belgrano backed
Galtieri into a corner leaving him no choice except to enter a war he
knew he could not win.

As for our soldiers?

RIP every one of them

But as you say, they got to do what they trained for. They were chomping at the bit
to get stuck in. My own lad has done Afghan 3 times and is getting out in the next
two months to do Maritime Security. But he's already said that if the Falklands kicks
off, he'll stay in. Daft bugger But thats the mentality of the lads who wear the
uniform. they like a fight.

i know your not thatchers biggest fans but rewriting history to suit your hatred is a bit strong
now i was born in 1984 but as I understand it Argentina invaded The Falkland Islands so they started the war, yes most controversially the Americans and Europe pleaded with Thatcher to settle things diplomatically, but the Americans had some cheek saying the Falklands are not worth going to war over after the events of 1942 at Pearl Harbour but one rule for one another rule for another.
The sinking of the Belgrano though controversial ended the Naval war and allowed ground operations to begin
The sinking of the Belgrano sent the entire Argentinian Navy back to port
Thatcher didnt start the war the Argentinians did to say otherwise is just idiotic
as for the rest of your post i completely agree.

Idiotic? Argentina invaded. correct. rightly or wrongly, they believed
those Islands to be theirs. They were gagging for an option to avoid
all out war... This is just an example of the Belgrano issue, and of
the Prime Ministers arrogance and refusal to answer questions...

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Diana_Gould

This was Thatcher ducking the issue[/quote]

they still invaded our territory and I dont care how far away it is from Britain we have the right and a duty to protect those Islands
and ill be damned if the loses from my family are waved away because you believe we should have backed down be all nicey nicey and ended it diplomatically and admit defeat. The Belgrano's tactics through the entire war was sneak into the exclusion zone to launch its weapons and sneak back out. The sinking of the Belgrano ended the Naval war and to be honest i dont care where it was. If the Argentinians didnt have the back bone to fight they shouldnt have started the war in the first place.[/quote]

Where the flying f**k do you read from my post that i'm "waving away" British deaths???

How f*cking dare you You tw*t.

The Falklands escalation was avoidable. So was the second Iraq war. So was Afghanistan.

If I was a Prime Minister I'd bust a f*cking gut trying to save my Armed Forces from putting
their lives on the line unnecessarily. In reality, politicians dont give a shit about the lads
who die. But that takes NOTHING away from the brave actions of our boys, they know what
they might be risking when they join, but they certainly aint risking f**k all for Parliament

its for their cap badge and for the lads stood next to them

Murdering Barstard who ordered the sinking of the General Belgrano despite the fact it was outside the exclusion zone and sailing away from the Falklands. Thus triggering the Falklands war and ensuring many Welsh Guards were killed and badly injured when the Argentinians bomber Bluff Cove then got re elected on the back of our 'glorious victory' in the war that she had caused :twist

She closed the pits and mobolised the police force and made sure they were well paid to hit shit out of striking miners who were protesting to try and save their jobs. Devastated communities in the S.Wales valleys and has blood on her hands because some people committed suicide has they were in utter despair.

Personally i hope she doesn't die any time soon but instead lives in misery sitting in her own piss and shit with spittle dribbling down her chin then on the day that she does expire i will open a bottle or 2 to celebrate the old cows passing

You what !!! You say nothing of the sinking of our ships during the War and our dead. Those Argies sunk those ships and you bleat over the Belgrano f**k me what side are you on ? The evidence was suggesting it was inside the exclusion zone but any way who f*cking cares ? It was war not a bloody T party. The War was triggered by the Argies invading the Falklands and the deaths of our Lads was down to the Argies not Thatcher. I know several who served in the Falklands and if they read your remarks they would feel insulted and regard you as a traitor.
And with the miners it was Scargill as well as Thatcher that destroyed them, a joint effort by the rest of them.

Not going to get in a huge argument and yes the Argentines had invaded the Falklands which triggered the crisis however attempts were being made to broker a diplomatic solution but once the Belgrano was sunk there was no way the Argentiniams would back down and all out war was inevitable which is exactly what Thatcher and the tories wanted.

With regards to be regarded as a traitor i also knew boys who served in the Falklands and i supported them has i have always supported our forces in any conflict. However one of the boys who was out in the Falklands told me in many cases they were fighting against Argentinian conscripts some who were has young has 15 and basically the soldiers on both sides didn't want to be there but were pawns in a politically motivated war.

With regards the miners i agree about your comments that Scargill was also responsible for the miners strike but Thatcher was determined to smash the Unions come what may and didn't give a damm for anyone else and the suffering she caused has i said an heartless cow and i hope she suffers until the day she finally expires

Avoid all out war ?? War was already started when the Argies invaded. The fact that a cruel regime used under age conscripts has nothing to do with it, no diplomacy would of kicked them off the island you know that. As for our Boys not wanting to be there ??? Well they got the chance to do what they were trained to do. They joined to fight and even though you may deny it that is the truth, the fact a lot of them lost there lives is extremely sad but they are our islands and the inhabitants want to be part of the UK. And we were right to kick them off our islands

Thatcher wanted that War. She needed it. Sinking the Belgrano backed
Galtieri into a corner leaving him no choice except to enter a war he
knew he could not win.

As for our soldiers?

RIP every one of them

But as you say, they got to do what they trained for. They were chomping at the bit
to get stuck in. My own lad has done Afghan 3 times and is getting out in the next
two months to do Maritime Security. But he's already said that if the Falklands kicks
off, he'll stay in. Daft bugger But thats the mentality of the lads who wear the
uniform. they like a fight.

i know your not thatchers biggest fans but rewriting history to suit your hatred is a bit strong
now i was born in 1984 but as I understand it Argentina invaded The Falkland Islands so they started the war, yes most controversially the Americans and Europe pleaded with Thatcher to settle things diplomatically, but the Americans had some cheek saying the Falklands are not worth going to war over after the events of 1942 at Pearl Harbour but one rule for one another rule for another.
The sinking of the Belgrano though controversial ended the Naval war and allowed ground operations to begin
The sinking of the Belgrano sent the entire Argentinian Navy back to port
Thatcher didnt start the war the Argentinians did to say otherwise is just idiotic
as for the rest of your post i completely agree.

Idiotic? Argentina invaded. correct. rightly or wrongly, they believed
those Islands to be theirs. They were gagging for an option to avoid
all out war... This is just an example of the Belgrano issue, and of
the Prime Ministers arrogance and refusal to answer questions...

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Diana_Gould

This was Thatcher ducking the issue[/quote]

they still invaded our territory and I dont care how far away it is from Britain we have the right and a duty to protect those Islands
and ill be damned if the loses from my family are waved away because you believe we should have backed down be all nicey nicey and ended it diplomatically and admit defeat. The Belgrano's tactics through the entire war was sneak into the exclusion zone to launch its weapons and sneak back out. The sinking of the Belgrano ended the Naval war and to be honest i dont care where it was. If the Argentinians didnt have the back bone to fight they shouldnt have started the war in the first place.[/quote]

Where the flying f**k do you read from my post that i'm "waving away" British deaths???

How f*cking dare you You tw*t.

The Falklands escalation was avoidable. So was the second Iraq war. So was Afghanistan.

If I was a Prime Minister I'd bust a f*cking gut trying to save my Armed Forces from putting
their lives on the line unnecessarily. In reality, politicians dont give a shit about the lads
who die. But that takes NOTHING away from the brave actions of our boys, they know what
they might be risking when they join, but they certainly aint risking f**k all for Parliament

its for their cap badge and for the lads stood next to them[/quote]

but you are the defence of the Falkland Islands was our sovereign territory and we had a duty to our citizens there and our national reputation you roll over once youve lost your fight.
if the Argies didnt have the stomach to fight they shouldnt have invaded in the first place, you cant just accept an aggressive act and then treat them like the victims.
If by your comparison we should just roll over and take what they want nevermind that there are proud British Citizens living there, then we might aswell surrender in Afghan let the terrorists win, turn Britain into a Muslim country with Sharia Law 'because we wouldnt to cause a fuss'.
And if you think this government doesnt try to avoid war your very wrong but if our sovereign soil is invaded all bets are off
and your not the only person on this messageboard who understands how our military works
And i understand you dont like Margaret Thatcher fine not going to argue that with you
but if your going to turn one Britains finest moments in defence of its country into a criminal act and war-mongering we will fall out

but you are the defence of the Falkland Islands was our sovereign territory and we had a duty to our citizens there and our national reputation you roll over once youve lost your fight.
if the Argies didnt have the stomach to fight they shouldnt have invaded in the first place, you cant just accept an aggressive act and then treat them like the victims.
If by your comparison we should just roll over and take what they want nevermind that there are proud British Citizens living there, then we might aswell surrender in Afghan let the terrorists win, turn Britain into a Muslim country with Sharia Law 'because we wouldnt to cause a fuss'.
And if you think this government doesnt try to avoid war your very wrong but if our sovereign soil is invaded all bets are off
and your not the only person on this messageboard who understands how our military works
And i understand you dont like Margaret Thatcher fine not going to argue that with you
but if your going to turn one Britains finest moments in defence of its country into a criminal act and war-mongering we will fall out

Jonny, no one would disagree with you there BUT there are one or two real issues here.

1. Thatcher knew well before hand what the Argies intentions were but at the time she was the most unpopular PM in history. She knew at that point that she didn't have a cat in hells chance of winning the next election. She also knew that a war that she could easily win against Argentina WOULD get her re-elected, as history should it did. Getting re-elected was her number one motivation for going in to that war. Simples!

2. If I'd been in her place I would have sunk that ship as well. Unfortunately though there are international laws that we have to follow regarding war. You cannot expect others such as the Nazis or Saddam etc to follow laws when we break them ourselves. She gave the order to sink the ship. It was a war crime, simple as that. She should have been tried for that war crime and punished accordingly. We are quick enough to jump all over other world leaders who commit war crimes. Lets not have double standards here.

but you are the defence of the Falkland Islands was our sovereign territory and we had a duty to our citizens there and our national reputation you roll over once youve lost your fight.
if the Argies didnt have the stomach to fight they shouldnt have invaded in the first place, you cant just accept an aggressive act and then treat them like the victims.
If by your comparison we should just roll over and take what they want nevermind that there are proud British Citizens living there, then we might aswell surrender in Afghan let the terrorists win, turn Britain into a Muslim country with Sharia Law 'because we wouldnt to cause a fuss'.
And if you think this government doesnt try to avoid war your very wrong but if our sovereign soil is invaded all bets are off
and your not the only person on this messageboard who understands how our military works
And i understand you dont like Margaret Thatcher fine not going to argue that with you
but if your going to turn one Britains finest moments in defence of its country into a criminal act and war-mongering we will fall out

Jonny, no one would disagree with you there BUT there are one or two real issues here.

1. Thatcher knew well before hand what the Argies intentions were but at the time she was the most unpopular PM in history. She knew at that point that she didn't have a cat in hells chance of winning the next election. She also knew that a war that she could easily win against Argentina WOULD get her re-elected, as history should it did. Getting re-elected was her number one motivation for going in to that war. Simples!

2. If I'd been in her place I would have sunk that ship as well. Unfortunately though there are international laws that we have to follow regarding war. You cannot expect others such as the Nazis or Saddam etc to follow laws when we break them ourselves. She gave the order to sink the ship. It was a war crime, simple as that. She should have been tried for that war crime and punished accordingly. We are quick enough to jump all over other world leaders who commit war crimes. Lets not have double standards here.

1 If she saw the political advantages of winning a war then great she was a politician, but our territory was invaded that precludes everything. If you want to criticise Thatcher for her policies at home fine dont blame you but you cant criticise her for defending territories.
2 tell me where in international law did she do anything legally wrong. Morally she broke every rule in the book, but all she did was escalate the war which brought its inevitable end, if you look at just war documentation. She attacked a military target she didnt target any civilians or any innocent parties. She made an act of reprisal though an aggressive act in itself it was justifiable given the fact the falklands were invaded. What war crime did she commit her acts brought the end of the war and thats justifiable. Otherwise you would be sending every political leader in history to their doom as a war criminal. Both Winston Churchill would be tried alongside the Nazi Party if we went down that path. The whole world should have declared war against America for dropping not 1 but 2 Nuclear bombs on Japan becoming the most devastating act of terrorism in modern history.
If you want to hate Thatcher go for it but dont criticise the woman for defending our country, otherwise we might aswell give our country to whoever wants it.

I'm shocked that a woman that was hated so much was VOTED into power 3 times!!!

Something doesn't add up........

And acting like a bunch of faggots over the Falklands would of sent a great signal to Northen Ireland.

And f*cking LOL that we should sit round a table and talk once another country has commited an act of war.

And acting like a bunch of faggots over the Falklands would of sent a great signal to Northen Ireland.

And f*cking LOL that we should sit round a table and talk once another country has commited an act of war.

Forget about Northern Ireland if wed have let the Argentinians walk all over us God only knows what the Russians would have made of the whole situation.

but you are the defence of the Falkland Islands was our sovereign territory and we had a duty to our citizens there and our national reputation you roll over once youve lost your fight.
if the Argies didnt have the stomach to fight they shouldnt have invaded in the first place, you cant just accept an aggressive act and then treat them like the victims.
If by your comparison we should just roll over and take what they want nevermind that there are proud British Citizens living there, then we might aswell surrender in Afghan let the terrorists win, turn Britain into a Muslim country with Sharia Law 'because we wouldnt to cause a fuss'.
And if you think this government doesnt try to avoid war your very wrong but if our sovereign soil is invaded all bets are off
and your not the only person on this messageboard who understands how our military works
And i understand you dont like Margaret Thatcher fine not going to argue that with you
but if your going to turn one Britains finest moments in defence of its country into a criminal act and war-mongering we will fall out

Jonny, no one would disagree with you there BUT there are one or two real issues here.

1. Thatcher knew well before hand what the Argies intentions were but at the time she was the most unpopular PM in history. She knew at that point that she didn't have a cat in hells chance of winning the next election. She also knew that a war that she could easily win against Argentina WOULD get her re-elected, as history should it did. Getting re-elected was her number one motivation for going in to that war. Simples!

2. If I'd been in her place I would have sunk that ship as well. Unfortunately though there are international laws that we have to follow regarding war. You cannot expect others such as the Nazis or Saddam etc to follow laws when we break them ourselves. She gave the order to sink the ship. It was a war crime, simple as that. She should have been tried for that war crime and punished accordingly. We are quick enough to jump all over other world leaders who commit war crimes. Lets not have double standards here.

1 If she saw the political advantages of winning a war then great she was a politician, but our territory was invaded that precludes everything. If you want to criticise Thatcher for her policies at home fine dont blame you but you cant criticise her for defending territories.
2 tell me where in international law did she do anything legally wrong. Morally she broke every rule in the book, but all she did was escalate the war which brought its inevitable end, if you look at just war documentation. She attacked a military target she didnt target any civilians or any innocent parties. She made an act of reprisal though an aggressive act in itself it was justifiable given the fact the falklands were invaded. What war crime did she commit her acts brought the end of the war and thats justifiable. Otherwise you would be sending every political leader in history to their doom as a war criminal. Both Winston Churchill would be tried alongside the Nazi Party if we went down that path. The whole world should have declared war against America for dropping not 1 but 2 Nuclear bombs on Japan becoming the most devastating act of terrorism in modern history.
If you want to hate Thatcher go for it but dont criticise the woman for defending our country, otherwise we might aswell give our country to whoever wants it.

Jonny that was the biggest pile of .......nail on head ,i could not of put that better myself Top post !!!

Murdering Barstard who ordered the sinking of the General Belgrano despite the fact it was outside the exclusion zone and sailing away from the Falklands. Thus triggering the Falklands war and ensuring many Welsh Guards were killed and badly injured when the Argentinians bomber Bluff Cove then got re elected on the back of our 'glorious victory' in the war that she had caused :twist

She closed the pits and mobolised the police force and made sure they were well paid to hit shit out of striking miners who were protesting to try and save their jobs. Devastated communities in the S.Wales valleys and has blood on her hands because some people committed suicide has they were in utter despair.

Personally i hope she doesn't die any time soon but instead lives in misery sitting in her own piss and shit with spittle dribbling down her chin then on the day that she does expire i will open a bottle or 2 to celebrate the old cows passing

You what !!! You say nothing of the sinking of our ships during the War and our dead. Those Argies sunk those ships and you bleat over the Belgrano f**k me what side are you on ? The evidence was suggesting it was inside the exclusion zone but any way who f*cking cares ? It was war not a bloody T party. The War was triggered by the Argies invading the Falklands and the deaths of our Lads was down to the Argies not Thatcher. I know several who served in the Falklands and if they read your remarks they would feel insulted and regard you as a traitor.
And with the miners it was Scargill as well as Thatcher that destroyed them, a joint effort by the rest of them.

Not going to get in a huge argument and yes the Argentines had invaded the Falklands which triggered the crisis however attempts were being made to broker a diplomatic solution but once the Belgrano was sunk there was no way the Argentiniams would back down and all out war was inevitable which is exactly what Thatcher and the tories wanted.

With regards to be regarded as a traitor i also knew boys who served in the Falklands and i supported them has i have always supported our forces in any conflict. However one of the boys who was out in the Falklands told me in many cases they were fighting against Argentinian conscripts some who were has young has 15 and basically the soldiers on both sides didn't want to be there but were pawns in a politically motivated war.

With regards the miners i agree about your comments that Scargill was also responsible for the miners strike but Thatcher was determined to smash the Unions come what may and didn't give a damm for anyone else and the suffering she caused has i said an heartless cow and i hope she suffers until the day she finally expires

Avoid all out war ?? War was already started when the Argies invaded. The fact that a cruel regime used under age conscripts has nothing to do with it, no diplomacy would of kicked them off the island you know that. As for our Boys not wanting to be there ??? Well they got the chance to do what they were trained to do. They joined to fight and even though you may deny it that is the truth, the fact a lot of them lost there lives is extremely sad but they are our islands and the inhabitants want to be part of the UK. And we were right to kick them off our islands

Thatcher wanted that War. She needed it. Sinking the Belgrano backed
Galtieri into a corner leaving him no choice except to enter a war he
knew he could not win.

As for our soldiers?

RIP every one of them

But as you say, they got to do what they trained for. They were chomping at the bit
to get stuck in. My own lad has done Afghan 3 times and is getting out in the next
two months to do Maritime Security. But he's already said that if the Falklands kicks
off, he'll stay in. Daft bugger But thats the mentality of the lads who wear the
uniform. they like a fight.

i know your not thatchers biggest fans but rewriting history to suit your hatred is a bit strong
now i was born in 1984 but as I understand it Argentina invaded The Falkland Islands so they started the war, yes most controversially the Americans and Europe pleaded with Thatcher to settle things diplomatically, but the Americans had some cheek saying the Falklands are not worth going to war over after the events of 1942 at Pearl Harbour but one rule for one another rule for another.
The sinking of the Belgrano though controversial ended the Naval war and allowed ground operations to begin
The sinking of the Belgrano sent the entire Argentinian Navy back to port
Thatcher didnt start the war the Argentinians did to say otherwise is just idiotic
as for the rest of your post i completely agree.

Idiotic? Argentina invaded. correct. rightly or wrongly, they believed
those Islands to be theirs. They were gagging for an option to avoid
all out war... This is just an example of the Belgrano issue, and of
the Prime Ministers arrogance and refusal to answer questions...

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Diana_Gould

This was Thatcher ducking the issue[/quote]

they still invaded our territory and I dont care how far away it is from Britain we have the right and a duty to protect those Islands
and ill be damned if the loses from my family are waved away because you believe we should have backed down be all nicey nicey and ended it diplomatically and admit defeat. The Belgrano's tactics through the entire war was sneak into the exclusion zone to launch its weapons and sneak back out. The sinking of the Belgrano ended the Naval war and to be honest i dont care where it was. If the Argentinians didnt have the back bone to fight they shouldnt have started the war in the first place.[/quote]

Where the flying f**k do you read from my post that i'm "waving away" British deaths???

How f*cking dare you You tw*t.

The Falklands escalation was avoidable. So was the second Iraq war. So was Afghanistan.

If I was a Prime Minister I'd bust a f*cking gut trying to save my Armed Forces from putting
their lives on the line unnecessarily. In reality, politicians dont give a shit about the lads
who die. But that takes NOTHING away from the brave actions of our boys, they know what
they might be risking when they join, but they certainly aint risking f**k all for Parliament

its for their cap badge and for the lads stood next to them[/quote]

but you are the defence of the Falkland Islands was our sovereign territory and we had a duty to our citizens there and our national reputation you roll over once youve lost your fight.
if the Argies didnt have the stomach to fight they shouldnt have invaded in the first place, you cant just accept an aggressive act and then treat them like the victims.
If by your comparison we should just roll over and take what they want nevermind that there are proud British Citizens living there, then we might aswell surrender in Afghan let the terrorists win, turn Britain into a Muslim country with Sharia Law 'because we wouldnt to cause a fuss'.
And if you think this government doesnt try to avoid war your very wrong but if our sovereign soil is invaded all bets are off
and your not the only person on this messageboard who understands how our military works
And i understand you dont like Margaret Thatcher fine not going to argue that with you
but if your going to turn one Britains finest moments in defence of its country into a criminal act and war-mongering we will fall out[/quote]

We had a task Force full of Marines. paras. Gurkhas. We had Harriers. We had
a fleet heading down there far superior to the Argentinians approaching those
Islands and the Argies were shitting themselves. Theyd fucked up, they wanted
a way out. They were looking for a way out. The hard facts were, Thatcher did
not want to talk. We were showing our intent by sending thousands of troops
down there. Thatcher says she'd had no word of the Peruvian peace plan, even
though it had been sent diplomatically 14 hours previously. She wanted a fight.
Luckily for her she never had to pick up a weapon and take incoming fire
herself. She got blood lust. Soldiers died in their hundreds. Surely you'd want
your leader to explore all avenues before sending men to their deaths?? Yes,
the argies needed to be taught a lesson. But they would have been forced to
withdraw, they would have been made to look right muppets. In MY eyes, that
would have been better than seeing men die.

I respect, admire and pay homage to every single soldier killed in the Falklands,
same as I do those killed in Iraq or Afghanistan.

For you to suggest I'm somehow making light of their deaths is disgusting.

the only reason the Argies tried it on in the first place was because THATCHER
had slashed the defence budget in Britain and shat on her own armed forces.

But just as they are doing today... they still send them to war.

"you and me are going to fall out!"......... Do one you muppet

haven't seen it yet . I'm just curious about one thing. Why are the Tories complaining so much about the unfortunate timing of the release and stuff? I mean, come on, there can't be anything that offensive to anyone in a biopic like that, or?

To be fair i dont like any politician!! None of them they are all lying scumbags. They are crooks, some are war hungry. Perhaps Thatcher could of done it with peacefull means maybe she couldn't. But they are heartless twats the lot of them. I don't like any of them and neither do i trust them. My views are subject to copyright laws

Maggie took our milk!

She is a CNUT

Murdering Barstard who ordered the sinking of the General Belgrano despite the fact it was outside the exclusion zone and sailing away from the Falklands. Thus triggering the Falklands war and ensuring many Welsh Guards were killed and badly injured when the Argentinians bomber Bluff Cove then got re elected on the back of our 'glorious victory' in the war that she had caused :twist

She closed the pits and mobolised the police force and made sure they were well paid to hit shit out of striking miners who were protesting to try and save their jobs. Devastated communities in the S.Wales valleys and has blood on her hands because some people committed suicide has they were in utter despair.

Personally i hope she doesn't die any time soon but instead lives in misery sitting in her own piss and shit with spittle dribbling down her chin then on the day that she does expire i will open a bottle or 2 to celebrate the old cows passing

You what !!! You say nothing of the sinking of our ships during the War and our dead. Those Argies sunk those ships and you bleat over the Belgrano f**k me what side are you on ? The evidence was suggesting it was inside the exclusion zone but any way who f*cking cares ? It was war not a bloody T party. The War was triggered by the Argies invading the Falklands and the deaths of our Lads was down to the Argies not Thatcher. I know several who served in the Falklands and if they read your remarks they would feel insulted and regard you as a traitor.
And with the miners it was Scargill as well as Thatcher that destroyed them, a joint effort by the rest of them.

Not going to get in a huge argument and yes the Argentines had invaded the Falklands which triggered the crisis however attempts were being made to broker a diplomatic solution but once the Belgrano was sunk there was no way the Argentiniams would back down and all out war was inevitable which is exactly what Thatcher and the tories wanted.

With regards to be regarded as a traitor i also knew boys who served in the Falklands and i supported them has i have always supported our forces in any conflict. However one of the boys who was out in the Falklands told me in many cases they were fighting against Argentinian conscripts some who were has young has 15 and basically the soldiers on both sides didn't want to be there but were pawns in a politically motivated war.

With regards the miners i agree about your comments that Scargill was also responsible for the miners strike but Thatcher was determined to smash the Unions come what may and didn't give a damm for anyone else and the suffering she caused has i said an heartless cow and i hope she suffers until the day she finally expires

Avoid all out war ?? War was already started when the Argies invaded. The fact that a cruel regime used under age conscripts has nothing to do with it, no diplomacy would of kicked them off the island you know that. As for our Boys not wanting to be there ??? Well they got the chance to do what they were trained to do. They joined to fight and even though you may deny it that is the truth, the fact a lot of them lost there lives is extremely sad but they are our islands and the inhabitants want to be part of the UK. And we were right to kick them off our islands

Thatcher wanted that War. She needed it. Sinking the Belgrano backed
Galtieri into a corner leaving him no choice except to enter a war he
knew he could not win.

As for our soldiers?

RIP every one of them

But as you say, they got to do what they trained for. They were chomping at the bit
to get stuck in. My own lad has done Afghan 3 times and is getting out in the next
two months to do Maritime Security. But he's already said that if the Falklands kicks
off, he'll stay in. Daft bugger But thats the mentality of the lads who wear the
uniform. they like a fight.

i know your not thatchers biggest fans but rewriting history to suit your hatred is a bit strong
now i was born in 1984 but as I understand it Argentina invaded The Falkland Islands so they started the war, yes most controversially the Americans and Europe pleaded with Thatcher to settle things diplomatically, but the Americans had some cheek saying the Falklands are not worth going to war over after the events of 1942 at Pearl Harbour but one rule for one another rule for another.
The sinking of the Belgrano though controversial ended the Naval war and allowed ground operations to begin
The sinking of the Belgrano sent the entire Argentinian Navy back to port
Thatcher didnt start the war the Argentinians did to say otherwise is just idiotic
as for the rest of your post i completely agree.

Idiotic? Argentina invaded. correct. rightly or wrongly, they believed
those Islands to be theirs. They were gagging for an option to avoid
all out war... This is just an example of the Belgrano issue, and of
the Prime Ministers arrogance and refusal to answer questions...

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Diana_Gould

This was Thatcher ducking the issue[/quote]

they still invaded our territory and I dont care how far away it is from Britain we have the right and a duty to protect those Islands
and ill be damned if the loses from my family are waved away because you believe we should have backed down be all nicey nicey and ended it diplomatically and admit defeat. The Belgrano's tactics through the entire war was sneak into the exclusion zone to launch its weapons and sneak back out. The sinking of the Belgrano ended the Naval war and to be honest i dont care where it was. If the Argentinians didnt have the back bone to fight they shouldnt have started the war in the first place.[/quote]

Where the flying f**k do you read from my post that i'm "waving away" British deaths???

How f*cking dare you You tw*t.

The Falklands escalation was avoidable. So was the second Iraq war. So was Afghanistan.

If I was a Prime Minister I'd bust a f*cking gut trying to save my Armed Forces from putting
their lives on the line unnecessarily. In reality, politicians dont give a shit about the lads
who die. But that takes NOTHING away from the brave actions of our boys, they know what
they might be risking when they join, but they certainly aint risking f**k all for Parliament

its for their cap badge and for the lads stood next to them[/quote]

but you are the defence of the Falkland Islands was our sovereign territory and we had a duty to our citizens there and our national reputation you roll over once youve lost your fight.
if the Argies didnt have the stomach to fight they shouldnt have invaded in the first place, you cant just accept an aggressive act and then treat them like the victims.
If by your comparison we should just roll over and take what they want nevermind that there are proud British Citizens living there, then we might aswell surrender in Afghan let the terrorists win, turn Britain into a Muslim country with Sharia Law 'because we wouldnt to cause a fuss'.
And if you think this government doesnt try to avoid war your very wrong but if our sovereign soil is invaded all bets are off
and your not the only person on this messageboard who understands how our military works
And i understand you dont like Margaret Thatcher fine not going to argue that with you
but if your going to turn one Britains finest moments in defence of its country into a criminal act and war-mongering we will fall out[/quote]

We had a task Force full of Marines. paras. Gurkhas. We had Harriers. We had
a fleet heading down there far superior to the Argentinians approaching those
Islands and the Argies were shitting themselves. Theyd fucked up, they wanted
a way out. They were looking for a way out. The hard facts were, Thatcher did
not want to talk. We were showing our intent by sending thousands of troops
down there. Thatcher says she'd had no word of the Peruvian peace plan, even
though it had been sent diplomatically 14 hours previously. She wanted a fight.
Luckily for her she never had to pick up a weapon and take incoming fire
herself. She got blood lust. Soldiers died in their hundreds. Surely you'd want
your leader to explore all avenues before sending men to their deaths?? Yes,
the argies needed to be taught a lesson. But they would have been forced to
withdraw, they would have been made to look right muppets. In MY eyes, that
would have been better than seeing men die.

I respect, admire and pay homage to every single soldier killed in the Falklands,
same as I do those killed in Iraq or Afghanistan.

For you to suggest I'm somehow making light of their deaths is disgusting.

the only reason the Argies tried it on in the first place was because THATCHER
had slashed the defence budget in Britain and shat on her own armed forces.

But just as they are doing today... they still send them to war.

"you and me are going to fall out!"......... Do one you muppet[/quote]

well calling me a muppet is a bit childish
but this is what soldiers do they fight and they die for their country
and no i dont suppose many politicians have served in the forces
and i dont suppose many servicemen or women become politicians
but each have their place in our country
I dont know how to put this any planer to you we were invaded we defended ourselves against an aggressive act as is our right as a country, The Falkland Islands have a voice in the international world and they choose to be ruled by Britain so Argentina can put as many claims for those islands as they want the collective conscious want to be British so you can solve things diplomatically all you want but it would probably involve giving the Falklands to the Argentinians so as to go against the rights of the people living there.
Failing that if you dont think that is a reasonable argument look at the time this all happened, Britain was fighting insurgency in Northern Ireland now if you freely gave one territory away to one set of people its going to inflame the fight in Northern Ireland. Not to mention the threat from Russia if Britain were scared of Argentina our situation against the Russians would have been laughable.
So in conclusion if we gave the Falklands away which would have happened if we resolved things diplomatically we would have had to give into terrorism in Northern Ireland and let the IRA win and we would have weakened our position in the Cold War. So no I dont think she had any choice but to go to war.

Sending thousands of the toughest soldiers in the World thousands of miles
across the Atlantic did not in any way shape or form show weakness. It was
a massive show of Britains resolve

Every day they grew closer to the Falklands, the Argentinians got more
desperate and were approaching the whole World to urge Britain to sit
down and talk. Who knows, maybe the talks would have failed anyway.

Thatcher wanted that War.

As a human being, I think that War should always be the last option.

If your saying Britain had no option but to sink the Belgrano and force
an escalation. Then thats your opinion.

But its not Gung-ho politicians, its not the press or the media, or the
Sun readers that end up dead in a war. Its our lads in the Armed Forces.

Again, its MY opinion, but I believe the Government has a duty to those
brave men to explore every avenue for peace before putting them in
harms way

Sending thousands of the toughest soldiers in the World thousands of miles
across the Atlantic did not in any way shape or form show weakness. It was
a massive show of Britains resolve

Every day they grew closer to the Falklands, the Argentinians got more
desperate and were approaching the whole World to urge Britain to sit
down and talk. Who knows, maybe the talks would have failed anyway.

Thatcher wanted that War.

As a human being, I think that War should always be the last option.

If your saying Britain had no option but to sink the Belgrano and force
an escalation. Then thats your opinion.

But its not Gung-ho politicians, its not the press or the media, or the
Sun readers that end up dead in a war. Its our lads in the Armed Forces.

Again, its MY opinion, but I believe the Government has a duty to those
brave men to explore every avenue for peace before putting them in
harms way

To be honest Taffy you and Jonny have got good points and are really not that far away its just got personal now. You are both passionate and yes maybe it could of turned out peacefully but what i dont think we could of done was keep the Armada there for a great time and the Argies would of known that. So i would of thought they would of kept us talking and talking whilst our lads ran out of Fuel Food ETC. But one thing it did prove in the long run don't f**k with Britain
You said it was a War that Argentina could not win, But not a lot actually know this but we came within a whisker of loosing that War and that is the truth, it could of gone disastrously wrong and very nearly did.

Sending thousands of the toughest soldiers in the World thousands of miles
across the Atlantic did not in any way shape or form show weakness. It was
a massive show of Britains resolve

Every day they grew closer to the Falklands, the Argentinians got more
desperate and were approaching the whole World to urge Britain to sit
down and talk. Who knows, maybe the talks would have failed anyway.

Thatcher wanted that War.

As a human being, I think that War should always be the last option.

If your saying Britain had no option but to sink the Belgrano and force
an escalation. Then thats your opinion.

But its not Gung-ho politicians, its not the press or the media, or the
Sun readers that end up dead in a war. Its our lads in the Armed Forces.

Again, its MY opinion, but I believe the Government has a duty to those
brave men to explore every avenue for peace before putting them in
harms way

To be honest Taffy you and Jonny have got good points and are really not that far away its just got personal now. You are both passionate and yes maybe it could of turned out peacefully but what i dont think we could of done was keep the Armada there for a great time and the Argies would of known that. So i would of thought they would of kept us talking and talking whilst our lads ran out of Fuel Food ETC. But one thing it did prove in the long run don't f**k with Britain
You said it was a War that Argentina could not win, But not a lot actually know this but we came within a whisker of loosing that War and that is the truth, it could of gone disastrously wrong and very nearly did.

Im not trying to argue with anyone. But for someone to try and make their point
by suggesting im not showing respect for our lads who lost their lives is bollocks!

The Peruvian Peace Initiative called for an immediate withdrawal of all
military forces from the Islands, and the carefully worded "the Islanders
themselves will be instrumental in deciding their own fate".. They were
suggesting a democratic vote by the Islanders on who governed them and
Argentina had pretty much agreed to it. They knew it was a vote they could
not win, but it gave them a face-saving withdrawal.

The British Government recieved this 14 hours before the Belgrano was
sunk. Thatcher said she wasnt told about it

Sending thousands of the toughest soldiers in the World thousands of miles
across the Atlantic did not in any way shape or form show weakness. It was
a massive show of Britains resolve

Every day they grew closer to the Falklands, the Argentinians got more
desperate and were approaching the whole World to urge Britain to sit
down and talk. Who knows, maybe the talks would have failed anyway.

Thatcher wanted that War.

As a human being, I think that War should always be the last option.

If your saying Britain had no option but to sink the Belgrano and force
an escalation. Then thats your opinion.

But its not Gung-ho politicians, its not the press or the media, or the
Sun readers that end up dead in a war. Its our lads in the Armed Forces.

Again, its MY opinion, but I believe the Government has a duty to those
brave men to explore every avenue for peace before putting them in
harms way

To be honest Taffy you and Jonny have got good points and are really not that far away its just got personal now. You are both passionate and yes maybe it could of turned out peacefully but what i dont think we could of done was keep the Armada there for a great time and the Argies would of known that. So i would of thought they would of kept us talking and talking whilst our lads ran out of Fuel Food ETC. But one thing it did prove in the long run don't f**k with Britain
You said it was a War that Argentina could not win, But not a lot actually know this but we came within a whisker of loosing that War and that is the truth, it could of gone disastrously wrong and very nearly did.

Im not trying to argue with anyone. But for someone to try and make their point
by suggesting im not showing respect for our lads who lost their lives is bollocks!

The Peruvian Peace Initiative called for an immediate withdrawal of all
military forces from the Islands, and the carefully worded "the Islanders
themselves will be instrumental in deciding their own fate".. They were
suggesting a democratic vote by the Islanders on who governed them and
Argentina had pretty much agreed to it. They knew it was a vote they could
not win, but it gave them a face-saving withdrawal.

The British Government recieved this 14 hours before the Belgrano was
sunk. Thatcher said she wasnt told about it

but this is the point
you give into one aggressor you make your other positions weaker mainly the IRA and Northern Ireland. Now the peace treaty in Northern Ireland took years and years, time we didnt have in the Falklands and the Argentinians knew this. We couldnt afford to keep a large task group in the South Atlantic for long periods of time, 1 its not cost effective and 2 with other pressing political situations this one needed to be ended fast, plus we were on a very tight timescale you cant fight in the winter down there, plus soldiers dont like being at sea even Commandos 'green faces for green berets' always made me and my colleagues chuckle.
Considering the Argentinians are still going on about their rights over the Falklands and have now imposed a trade embargo and are kicking off about Prince William serving there do you really think they cared about the population at the time.

Sending thousands of the toughest soldiers in the World thousands of miles
across the Atlantic did not in any way shape or form show weakness. It was
a massive show of Britains resolve

Every day they grew closer to the Falklands, the Argentinians got more
desperate and were approaching the whole World to urge Britain to sit
down and talk. Who knows, maybe the talks would have failed anyway.

Thatcher wanted that War.

As a human being, I think that War should always be the last option.

If your saying Britain had no option but to sink the Belgrano and force
an escalation. Then thats your opinion.

But its not Gung-ho politicians, its not the press or the media, or the
Sun readers that end up dead in a war. Its our lads in the Armed Forces.

Again, its MY opinion, but I believe the Government has a duty to those
brave men to explore every avenue for peace before putting them in
harms way

To be honest Taffy you and Jonny have got good points and are really not that far away its just got personal now. You are both passionate and yes maybe it could of turned out peacefully but what i dont think we could of done was keep the Armada there for a great time and the Argies would of known that. So i would of thought they would of kept us talking and talking whilst our lads ran out of Fuel Food ETC. But one thing it did prove in the long run don't f**k with Britain
You said it was a War that Argentina could not win, But not a lot actually know this but we came within a whisker of loosing that War and that is the truth, it could of gone disastrously wrong and very nearly did.

Im not trying to argue with anyone. But for someone to try and make their point
by suggesting im not showing respect for our lads who lost their lives is bollocks!

The Peruvian Peace Initiative called for an immediate withdrawal of all
military forces from the Islands, and the carefully worded "the Islanders
themselves will be instrumental in deciding their own fate".. They were
suggesting a democratic vote by the Islanders on who governed them and
Argentina had pretty much agreed to it. They knew it was a vote they could
not win, but it gave them a face-saving withdrawal.

The British Government recieved this 14 hours before the Belgrano was
sunk. Thatcher said she wasnt told about it

Well what happened may come out or it may stay locked away for a awful long time. But trying to negotiate a peace deal between us and the Argies i think it would of been easier to broker a piece deal between you and our Jonny. Just dont set sail over to Jonnys yet pal it aint to late to sort it out without you launching your Scuds at him

The film is seen through his eyes and shows nothing of the devastation he left behind when the day we see this film totally biased. It is undoubtedly an evil and I wish him the most painful death imaginable and can it then remains in turmoil.

Fantastic Prime Minister, with guts, and loved our country.
Not a patch on Churchill though, he was the greatest Britain we will ever see !!!

Fantastic Prime Minister, with guts, and loved our country.
Not a patch on Churchill though, he was the greatest Britain we will ever see !!!

Can I have a go at what you are smoking?

Watched it last night and whatever your feelings are about Thachter the performance by Meryl Streep was absolutely fantastic.

Adam,

Worth watching then.
Is is out on DVD ?

I wont be watching it unless she gets tortured in the end

Same People on here who was having a go at anyone who took the piss out of Speedo's death wanting to dance on the grave of Thatcher. Hypocritical if you ask me which most probably you aint

I don't think it's hypocritical, Speed didn't ruin the towns we live in today.

How much did we spend(as a country) looking for her son who got lost in the Dhaka Raleigh when everyone else had to make cuts, she was in tears when she thought that she may have lost her son, but the cow did not bat an eyelid when sending OUR troops, and Argentina s conscripts to their certain deaths, and what about the French in all of this, who kept on selling them missiles!!!!

just read that the Argentina FA has rechristened their premier league to the Belgrano leaugue in memory to those who died on board.

just read that the Argentina FA has rechristened their premier league to the Belgrano league in memory to those who died on board.

Brilliant performance by Streep.

The timing of the film is shite though. they should have waited for the
old c**t to die first and put that in the film. Then i could fast forward
to that bit every morning when i get up and replay her taking her last
breath. Better than porn

Brilliant!!!

Is deserves a salute. Lmao

How much did we spend(as a country) looking for her son who got lost in the Dhaka Raleigh when everyone else had to make cuts, she was in tears when she thought that she may have lost her son, but the cow did not bat an eyelid when sending OUR troops, and Argentina s conscripts to their certain deaths, and what about the French in all of this, who kept on selling them missiles!!!!

I hate people like you
she sent OUR troops to defend OUR country
they invaded and they lost ran back to Argentina with their tails between their legs
Yes the loss of life in any war is regrettable and they will be remembered always the men on both sides
No one criticised the Americans for going to war after Pearl Harbour was attacked why do we have to be the guilty party
Yes Thatcher wasnt perfect and yes she made decisions that has effected our lives but you cant criticise her for defending our own lands

Yes Thatcher wasnt perfect and yes she made decisions that has effected our lives but you cant criticise her for defending our own lands

Maybe not, but she and her government can be criticised for not ensuring they were defended in the first place.

The first few paragraphs of this piece;

http://www.hms-exeter.co.uk/Passed_Over.html

explains the background behind the Argentinian invasion and I can remember in the days and weeks beforehand, David Owen for one warning that there was more going on in the Falklands than just a few scrap metal merchants landing in South Georgia. Nothing was done by the Government until it was too late though and this piece gives an insight into the humiliation and hurt of the Government in the days after the invasion;

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/1982/apr/03/falklands.past

One other thing, if the Thatcher government was blameless when it came to the Argentinian invasion of the Falklands, why did Lord Carrington, the Foreign Secretary at the time, feel the need to resign from his post?

The Conservative party in general and Margaret Thatcher in particular got a real boost to their popularity after the Falklands war, but the ironic thing is that their incompetence and complacency were one of the major factors in causing it.