Suarez Found Guilty!

So is calling some one black is racist, its bit like calling someone ginger

yes, because its making an issue out of the fact they have black skin, therefore deemed a racist comment.

To be racist it has to cause either offence/distress or a detriment (e.g. loss of a job) to the a person who is within hearshot.

I fail to see how using a Spannish term could have caused Evera distress although the moaning little c**t should lose his job.

So is calling some one black is racist, its bit like calling someone ginger

yes, because its making an issue out of the fact they have black skin, therefore deemed a racist comment.

To be racist it has to cause either offence/distress or a detriment (e.g. loss of a job) to the a person who is within hearshot.

I fail to see how using a Spannish term could have caused Evera distress although the moaning little c**t should lose his job.

There were Probably other words used aswel, i doubt he just called him el negrido and that was end of conversation.

I go back on my previous comment as I thought that it was Evra's word alone! If he called him Negro, nigger, El Negrido, black man - whatever. It will be deemed racist because there was no need for him to bring skin colour onto the pitch the way in which he used the word was meant in a derogatory fashion and not a factual statement!!! You think he was on the pitch looking to state random facts?

Jesus, some of your comments on here are shocking!

You can call some one white, black, skinny, fat, ginger... As they are a matter of fact, but put the word "C**t" after it and you will put your self in an awkward position with your derogatory term!

The way in which Liverpool have defended him is quite embarrassing! And those Suarez tshirts they wore out into the pitch last night were cringeworthy ....

So is calling some one black is racist, its bit like calling someone ginger

yes, because its making an issue out of the fact they have black skin, therefore deemed a racist comment.

To be racist it has to cause either offence/distress or a detriment (e.g. loss of a job) to the a person who is within hearshot.

I fail to see how using a Spannish term could have caused Evera distress although the moaning little c**t should lose his job.

There were Probably other words used aswel, i doubt he just called him el negrido and that was end of conversation.

No Suarez was very candid about what he said. He openly admitted using the Spanish phrase 'El Negrido' and that's what he was judged on by the FA, so assuming any other phrases were used is not really helpful and is totally irrelevant.

So my point stands it is hard to understand how Evera can claim distresses or offence when the remark is not even considered racist in South America and many black people in that continent are called that every day without offence? Therefore at best the FA could only find Suarez guilty of 'misconduct' and that is what they did.

So on that bases an 8 match ban is totally over the top.

Therefore IMO there will be an appeal and I expect the ban to be suspended along with the £40,000 fine.

It makes no difference if ten trillion people find it unoffensive, one person obviously did and thats all it takes. Suarez is not in South America, hes in the UK where LFC should make their foreign imports aware of different cultures. He used the term "el negrido" but im sure they werent chatting as friends as they had never met and they were "in the heat of battle" so to speak. LFC and Suarez should drop this t-shirt nonsense and the silly backing of him, come out and say "i did call him that but did not know it was a racist term in this country and am deeply sorry as its used regularly in uruaguay" he should then make a large donation to a charity of Evras choice and let the matter drop as even Evra said he doesnt believe Suarez to be racist.

Evra is French and both him and Suarez are playing in England! What the hell Uruguay has to do with it is beyond me! Being a Racist and making a racist comment are two entirely different things! Suarez brought it to the pitch when there was no need! He deserves his punishment...

So is calling some one black is racist, its bit like calling someone ginger

Dont mention Ginger

I go back on my previous comment as I thought that it was Evra's word alone! If he called him Negro, nigger, El Negrido, black man - whatever. It will be deemed racist because there was no need for him to bring skin colour onto the pitch the way in which he used the word was meant in a derogatory fashion and not a factual statement!!! You think he was on the pitch looking to state random facts?

Jesus, some of your comments on here are shocking!

You can call some one white, black, skinny, fat, ginger... As they are a matter of fact, but put the word "C**t" after it and you will put your self in an awkward position with your derogatory term!

The way in which Liverpool have defended him is quite embarrassing! And those Suarez tshirts they wore out into the pitch last night were cringeworthy ....

Merlin you have totally misunderstood what has happened and frankly we will all be afraid to use any kind of descriptive words if we follow your 'assumption' of offence attitude.

From Suarez's perspective he only used a phrase that he has used countless times before and no-one has ever taken offence to in his own country. Evera has done his usual cry baby act (as he has done several times before) and a player is now branded as a racist even though the FA didn't find him guilty of that offence.

When the race issue raises its head we often hear the word ignorance used. Well to me ignorance is a 2 way street and Evera should have been willing to accept an apology for any unintended offence (whether real or perceived) while at the same time showing understanding towards Suarez's culture, rather than vindictively dragging that player’s reputation through the mud.

I agree that Liverpool must carry a good deal of the blame for not informing the player of any potential pitfalls whilst playing in England, but I don't knock them for supporting their player in this case.

It makes no difference if ten trillion people find it unoffensive, one person obviously did and thats all it takes. Suarez is not in South America, hes in the UK where LFC should make their foreign imports aware of different cultures. He used the term "el negrido" but im sure they werent chatting as friends as they had never met and they were "in the heat of battle" so to speak. LFC and Suarez should drop this t-shirt nonsense and the silly backing of him, come out and say "i did call him that but did not know it was a racist term in this country and am deeply sorry as its used regularly in uruaguay" he should then make a large donation to a charity of Evras choice and let the matter drop as even Evra said he doesnt believe Suarez to be racist.

Yes I understand that but to Suarez the comment was not racist and he has told the FA it wasn't intended to be. If Evera found the word offensive then the FA would have to judge whether his perceived distress was reasonable (as would a court of law) and secondly did the perpetrator intend to cause offence.

At the basic level the Spanish word for 'black man' is 'Negrido' so it is hard to understand how that phrase would cause distress as the TV/Police/News use the phrase ‘black man’ all the time to identify someone. Secondly as we know the phrase is not racist in South America as it is descriptive, thus that rules out intent. Yes we live in the UK but the law doesn't say that using the words 'the black man' is an automatic racial offence especially when it is used in a descriptive context.

Using both the above tests it is impossible to find Suarez guilty of racial abuse as there was no intent and no derogative words used. The FA agreed and instead found Suarez guilty of misconduct because at worst he may have caused minor unintentional offence (and that would be at a stretch) thus meaning that the 8 game ban and fine being way over the top.

Why does suarez feel the need to mention the fact Evra is black at all? He's highlighting a difference in skin colour, ergo its a racist comment. Is Suarez a racist, IMO no.

Why does suarez feel the need to mention the fact Evra is black at all? He's highlighting a difference in skin colour, ergo its a racist comment. Is Suarez a racist, IMO no.

Why does he deserve an 8 match ban for mentioning the fact (in Spanish BTW) that Evra is Black? It is not an offence to say someone is black (as it is a FACT Evra is black) it is only an offence if he says something detrimental with it.

For the reasons why he used the phrase I don't know may be he told a colleague to mark the black man? It could be as innocent as that.

The 2 players were talking amongst themselves as the video shows. You can see they arent sharing pleasantries! Suarez got given the standard 4 game ban, then it got doubled as per the rules due to the offensive nature. Judging by todays standards he got off lightly! For the record, i think its way over the top and people are being far too sensitive, but im not a black guy and if i were i may have felt the same as Evra.

Merlin, when was it ever claimed the Suarez used the word c**t?!

The 2 players were talking amongst themselves as the video shows. You can see they arent sharing pleasantries! Suarez got given the standard 4 game ban, then it got doubled as per the rules due to the offensive nature. Judging by todays standards he got off lightly! For the record, i think its way over the top and people are being far too sensitive, but im not a black guy and if i were i may have felt the same as Evra.

Well your the one being overly sensitive if you got offended by someone mentioning the colour of your skin, and it's people like you that are the reason the UK has gotten into the state it is where everyone is too afraid to say anything for the fear of offending anyone. If Suraz was a proper racist who basically hated people for the colour of their skin then he deserves everything he gets. But the fact of the matter is he allegedly (which I still don't believe he actually used the word "negro" or whatever) used a word which in his culture is fine. That his fault for being naive and he's been punished for the naivity right or wrongly (far too harshly), but he has now been essentially punished and labelled as being a racist, which in my view is not correct.

evra accused a groundsman at chelsea of racism didn,t he?seems he has bad luck with racists i tend to think it,s well over egged.im sure something was said but as stated in uraguay it ain,t classed as no where near as potent as it is here.im no fan of racism ,i take a mixed race kid to blues,but some of the pc stuff around at the moment is mad.

The 2 players were talking amongst themselves as the video shows. You can see they arent sharing pleasantries! Suarez got given the standard 4 game ban, then it got doubled as per the rules due to the offensive nature. Judging by todays standards he got off lightly! For the record, i think its way over the top and people are being far too sensitive, but im not a black guy and if i were i may have felt the same as Evra.

Well your the one being overly sensitive if you got offended by someone mentioning the colour of your skin, and it's people like you that are the reason the UK has gotten into the state it is where everyone is too afraid to say anything for the fear of offending anyone. If Suraz was a proper racist who basically hated people for the colour of their skin then he deserves everything he gets. But the fact of the matter is he allegedly (which I still don't believe he actually used the word "negro" or whatever) used a word which in his culture is fine. That his fault for being naive and he's been punished for the naivity right or wrongly (far too harshly), but he has now been essentially punished and labelled as being a racist, which in my view is not correct.

Read my last line dummy! i said it is OTT and people are being too sensitive, just because i can see things from other peoples points of view doesn't mean i agree with them. If you knew me, or posted on here longer, you would know im certainly not afraid to call a spade a spade, often landed myself in trouble with it to.

A lot of it is banter between players. Yes Black was used but it could of so easily been English, Scottish, Welsh, or what ever country. The word c**t which is a fairly nasty word to call someone is not the issue here the word Black is. Now which is the worst word to call someone ?. Now Evra is Black so that really should not be a problem. But the word c**t is not a problem Or as most say you can say one word or the other !! but the moment you put both together it becomes racist .
To me it is just petty and akin to a Junior School playground bust up that will cost millions of pounds in Police and Court costs which to me is staggering.
I can imagine it now !!
(Anton) Miss Miss Miss Little John called me a name !!
(Teacher) Well Anton call him a name back
(Anton) But Miss he called me a c**t !!
(Teacher) Now now Anton you know in 2011 its totally acceptable to call some one that, Just call him a c**t back.
(Anton) But Miss he called me.....................Black........as well !!
(Teacher) He called you WHAT !! ..............JOHN TERRY GET OVER HERE NOW.
(John) Yes Miss
(Teacher) Why did you call Anton Black ? We all know he is a c**t, but Black......why John Why ?
(John) I said he was Deaf Miss !!
(Teacher) But Anton said you Called him Black so he must be telling the truth
(John) But he is Black Miss
(Teacher) You cant go round stating facts John it isn't right. Now go to the Headmasters office where your pants will be pulled down and you will be thrashed Black and Blue.
(John) But Miss you cant tell me what Colour i will be Can you ?