QPR LAWYERS APPROACH F.A.

the other thing here elwood is that looking back over the last few years whenever the fa has summoned a club or player to one of these hearings they have always proved their case and with the timing of the hearing bearing in mind the worry of disruption to the playoffs leads me to believe the fa think they have a cast iron case with no prospect of a successful appeal from qpr.

I was thinking of asking this question the other night. I can't recall any club having a case against them kicked out, I'm probably wrong but I just can't think of one.

the other thing here elwood is that looking back over the last few years whenever the fa has summoned a club or player to one of these hearings they have always proved their case and with the timing of the hearing bearing in mind the worry of disruption to the playoffs leads me to believe the fa think they have a cast iron case with no prospect of a successful appeal from qpr.

I was thinking of asking this question the other night. I can't recall any club having a case against them kicked out, I'm probably wrong but I just can't think of one.

Not looked at it like this before.

Perhaps the FA have made up their mind that this independant body will have no choice
but to find against QPR. They already know what they are going to do after the judgement.

I think QPR may well be told its -15 points, your still in the play-offs, think yourselves lucky!!

What can QPR do? refuse to play in them? No problem, seventh place are waiting!!!

The more i think about it, the more I think QPRs owners are trying to bully a result out of this.
But its not just the FA... FIFA are watching!!!

Tony my experience of football administration and believe me I have a lot is that things are always looked it in a black and white way never grey.

So when the IRC consider the charge relating to the unlicensed agent its a simple process of did the club use him and if the answer is yes was the agent licensed by the FA as set out in FA regulations, if the answer is no the IRC will immediately consider the charge proven. So if QPR have said they did use the agent the first question has already been answered so you move to the next.

Have the club over played their hand well yes because they are hoping to say well yes we did use him BUT. Thats grey and football doesn't do grey the BUT aspect is mitigation and the club will be allowed to present the mitigation later as to not allow them to do so could be considered grounds of appeal. New evidence that they were not allowed to present during the IRC process in my experience there is no way the FA will trip over that one. Were they allowed to submit mitigation prior to sanction YES, black and white without a hint of grey if you see what I mean.


When thinking about football administration think only black and white thats the best way I can think of explaining the situation and IMO the only question left on this charge is how will the mitigation go down with the IRC panel members.

QPR will be hoping well I don't think so but thats just my opinion.

the other thing here elwood is that looking back over the last few years whenever the fa has summoned a club or player to one of these hearings they have always proved their case and with the timing of the hearing bearing in mind the worry of disruption to the playoffs leads me to believe the fa think they have a cast iron case with no prospect of a successful appeal from qpr.

I was thinking of asking this question the other night. I can't recall any club having a case against them kicked out, I'm probably wrong but I just can't think of one.

Here is one example where the club had a charged judged Not Proven

http://www.cardiffcityfc.co.uk/page/New ... 29,00.html

Mind you we are talking the FAW

QPR's lawyers have written to the FA requesting they instigate an investigation into the alleged source of the article in today's The Sun newspaper (Friday 29th April 2011) and that they issue an immediate statement confirming that the alleged FA source in the article does not represent the views of the FA and that the FA's policy is not to make public comment on the charges or evidence until after the hearing.
The Club shall not be making any further comment on the charges until after the hearing.


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Its not looking good really is it Stan, dont get me wrong you fully deserve promotion on merit but it smacks on desperation TBH

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Tony my experience of football administration and believe me I have a lot is that things are always looked it in a black and white way never grey.

So when the IRC consider the charge relating to the unlicensed agent its a simple process of did the club use him and if the answer is yes was the agent licensed by the FA as set out in FA regulations, if the answer is no the IRC will immediately consider the charge proven. So if QPR have said they did use the agent the first question has already been answered so you move to the next.

Have the club over played their hand well yes because they are hoping to say well yes we did use him BUT. Thats grey and football doesn't do grey the BUT aspect is mitigation and the club will be allowed to present the mitigation later as to not allow them to do so could be considered grounds of appeal. New evidence that they were not allowed to present during the IRC process in my experience there is no way the FA will trip over that one. Were they allowed to submit mitigation prior to sanction YES, black and white without a hint of grey if you see what I mean.


When thinking about football administration think only black and white thats the best way I can think of explaining the situation and IMO the only question left on this charge is how will the mitigation go down with the IRC panel members.

QPR will be hoping well I don't think so but thats just my opinion.

Thanks that's extremely helpful

the other thing here elwood is that looking back over the last few years whenever the fa has summoned a club or player to one of these hearings they have always proved their case and with the timing of the hearing bearing in mind the worry of disruption to the playoffs leads me to believe the fa think they have a cast iron case with no prospect of a successful appeal from qpr.

I was thinking of asking this question the other night. I can't recall any club having a case against them kicked out, I'm probably wrong but I just can't think of one.

Here is one example where the club had a charged judged Not Proven

http://www.cardiffcityfc.co.uk/page/New ... 29,00.html

Mind you we are talking the FAW

Cheers Castle but as its the FAW I think I'll give it a miss

If it's all a misunderstanding Stan why are the FA going ahead with the charges?
If it were Cardiff City that's the question I'd be asking.
The FA will judge the case of the facts in front of them.

Positive news imo.

Shows the papers can't print what they like & get away with it. Our legal people will have a field day with all this press before a hearings even taken place should it go to appeal.

Nothing short of a kangaroo court. We surely will have the best legal team money can buy so expect this one to get mighty messy if the Sun think they can f**k us around.

I tend to agree Stan QPR. Ecclestone is I would imagine not to tangle with in chip shop wrapping new stories.

Cardiff fans should remember how the Sun reported the so called FA Cup riots and pitch invasions V Leeds United some years ago.

hopefully QPR take the shithouse rag to the cleaners

hope you go up fairly stan really admire qpr this season

hope you go up fairly stan really admire qpr this season

Fair play pal

Stan, I think you are missing the point.

Forget the Sun and its wind up.

QPR have most definitely been the best team in the championship this season but if they have done this by fielding a player that was ineligible then they are guilty of gaining an unfair advantage. In which case they must be found guilty of breaching the rules.

The penalties for this have been inconsistent over the years but if it is any consolation the fact that you are a London club should go in your favour.

London clubs have traditionally been judged less harshly than those from the provinces, I give you in recent times West Ham and from the murky mists of time Arsenal.

My own thoughts are that you will be fine, the FA will close ranks and chose the path of least resistance. Meaning: they would prefer a law suit from Cardiff or any of the other play off contenders to a hard to defend suit from QPR.

http://www.thefa.com/TheFA/Disciplinary ... ia-reports

QPR and Mr Paladini have both indicated they are denying all of the charges and shall be contesting them at the hearing.

The FA, QPR and Mr Paladini shall be making no further comment until the charges are resolved.

stan, i understand. that at this moment in time, all we are doing is. what has happened to previous clubs. who have flauted the law. not that qpr have, but from the outside. it dont look good for qpr?

QPR's lawyers have written to the FA requesting they instigate an investigation into the alleged source of the article in today's The Sun newspaper (Friday 29th April 2011) and that they issue an immediate statement confirming that the alleged FA source in the article does not represent the views of the FA and that the FA's policy is not to make public comment on the charges or evidence until after the hearing.
The Club shall not be making any further comment on the charges until after the hearing.


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Stan, I truly wish QPR well in this fight but you can hardly critisize the newspapers for an alledged leak detailing the possible outcomes of your hearing when Warnock has also tried to predict the outcome by suggesting that your lawyers are hinting at a fine only. In all fairness, I have listened to all the articles today and they all have said that the possible outcome could be a maximum of 15 points deduction which could mean that QPR would be made to play in the playoffs.
These statements are obvioulsly portraying the worst case scenario to make headlines but Warnocks statements about just a fine was trying to portray the least case scenario so you can't have it both ways.

If its possible to read between the lines here. The most serious charges are going to
be as a result of Paladini faking documents so as to try to swerve the initial breach
re: third party ownership. Either documents are genuine or they are not, id be
flabbergasted if the FA just threw a charge like that in without being 100% sure of
their facts. Had this slimy tw*t held his hands up and taken it on the chin then it
would have all been done and dusted a few months ago and QPR would probably
STILL have walked away with the league!!

Paladini is not loved at QPR. He has been accused more than once of skinting the
club to give little back-handers to agents and then obviously sit back and wait for
his brown envelope. The FA have been after the toad for years. Sadly, QPR are
the unlucky club.

We were probably never more than a whisker away from stuff like this when Riddles
was here, or Sam for that matter!!

Stan,

Just a few points, as I can't be arsed reading every post.

1) As anyone knows, anonymously quoted souces generally don't exist.
2) Using your logic, FA lawyers would demand to know that sources quoted in your local media, stating there was nothing to worry about, weren't associated with QPR. Pot, kettle, absence of reflected light. of course, we'll ignore Warnock's comments for the purposes of this issue. After all, that would be spin to get a favourable verdict, eh?
3) Your intimation a headline would sway the verdict - GET REAL. This isn't a court case with members of the public who are gullible.
4) IF found guilty, well, seems intent was to deliberately mislead. You seriously think having your lawyers getting bolshy with the FA would help one iota?

If its possible to read between the lines here. The most serious charges are going to
be as a result of Paladini faking documents so as to try to swerve the initial breach
re: third party ownership. Either documents are genuine or they are not, id be
flabbergasted if the FA just threw a charge like that in without being 100% sure of
their facts. Had this slimy tw*t held his hands up and taken it on the chin then it
would have all been done and dusted a few months ago and QPR would probably
STILL have walked away with the league!!

Paladini is not loved at QPR. He has been accused more than once of skinting the
club to give little back-handers to agents and then obviously sit back and wait for
his brown envelope. The FA have been after the toad for years. Sadly, QPR are
the unlucky club.

We were probably never more than a whisker away from stuff like this when Riddles
was here, or Sam for that matter!!

It was interesting listening to the radio tonight that if found guilty people were talking about qpr being fined more than west ham and a figure of 8 million was being banded about.
qpr are the richest club in the championship and 8 million is a pittance to their owners wheras that figure would probably put every other championship team out of business.
The other figure that is always mentioned is that it is worth 90 million to be promoted to the premiership.
if that is correct then 8 million is a small price to pay to pick up another 82 in return for flouting the league regulations.
this is another reason that i can only see a points deduction by the fa as a proper punishment

If its possible to read between the lines here. The most serious charges are going to
be as a result of Paladini faking documents so as to try to swerve the initial breach
re: third party ownership. Either documents are genuine or they are not, id be
flabbergasted if the FA just threw a charge like that in without being 100% sure of
their facts. Had this slimy tw*t held his hands up and taken it on the chin then it
would have all been done and dusted a few months ago and QPR would probably
STILL have walked away with the league!!

Paladini is not loved at QPR. He has been accused more than once of skinting the
club to give little back-handers to agents and then obviously sit back and wait for
his brown envelope. The FA have been after the toad for years. Sadly, QPR are
the unlucky club.

We were probably never more than a whisker away from stuff like this when Riddles
was here, or Sam for that matter!!

It was interesting listening to the radio tonight that if found guilty people were talking about qpr being fined more than west ham and a figure of 8 million was being banded about.
qpr are the richest club in the championship and 8 million is a pittance to their owners wheras that figure would probably put every other championship team out of business.
The other figure that is always mentioned is that it is worth 90 million to be promoted to the premiership.
if that is correct then 8 million is a small price to pay to pick up another 82 in return for flouting the league regulations.
this is another reason that i can only see a points deduction by the fa as a proper punishment

But when West Ham got fined, the Third Party rule wasnt even in place yet. All Clubs
are fully aware of it now. Particularly Paladini who was an agent himself!!!

Points, loads of, got to be

If its possible to read between the lines here. The most serious charges are going to
be as a result of Paladini faking documents so as to try to swerve the initial breach
re: third party ownership. Either documents are genuine or they are not, id be
flabbergasted if the FA just threw a charge like that in without being 100% sure of
their facts. Had this slimy tw*t held his hands up and taken it on the chin then it
would have all been done and dusted a few months ago and QPR would probably
STILL have walked away with the league!!

Paladini is not loved at QPR. He has been accused more than once of skinting the
club to give little back-handers to agents and then obviously sit back and wait for
his brown envelope. The FA have been after the toad for years. Sadly, QPR are
the unlucky club.

We were probably never more than a whisker away from stuff like this when Riddles
was here, or Sam for that matter!!

also torquay and exeter get docked points for clerical errors and yet qpr think that they wont get any points deduction despite deliberately supplying false documents to the football league

It was interesting listening to the radio tonight that if found guilty people were talking about qpr being fined more than west ham and a figure of 8 million was being banded about.
qpr are the richest club in the championship and 8 million is a pittance to their owners wheras that figure would probably put every other championship team out of business.
The other figure that is always mentioned is that it is worth 90 million to be promoted to the premiership.
if that is correct then 8 million is a small price to pay to pick up another 82 in return for flouting the league regulations.
this is another reason that i can only see a points deduction by the fa as a proper punishment

But when West Ham got fined, the Third Party rule wasnt even in place yet. All Clubs
are fully aware of it now. Particularly Paladini who was an agent himself!!!

Points, loads of, got to be

QPR's lawyers have written to the FA requesting they instigate an investigation into the alleged source of the article in today's The Sun newspaper (Friday 29th April 2011) and that they issue an immediate statement confirming that the alleged FA source in the article does not represent the views of the FA and that the FA's policy is not to make public comment on the charges or evidence until after the hearing.
The Club shall not be making any further comment on the charges until after the hearing.


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Shitting themselves

If you field an ineligable player you should be punished accordingly. Lets not forget that clubs get kicked out of the fa cup for fielding such a player even if they only play 5 minutes at the end when you are winning 4-0 (this happened last year, cant remember who but I think it might have been exeter?)

While it would be ridiculous to use that precedent to award points to teams who played against Faurlin this season I think a points deduction is just IF the FA find them guilty.

I find its karma coming back to bite Colin Wanker on the arse, perhaps he shouldnt have cried so much about the tevez affair and manchester uniteds team sheet 4 days before a champions league final.

Stan Please keep us updated, BUT WE SHOULD WIN PROMOTION ON OUR MERRIT

NO smoke without fire - whatever rag it is printed in - everyone knows there is something dodgy and it has to be dealt with ASAP and fairly

hope it is a fairoutcome and every other club take note that fiddling papers / cheating /or whatever the technical terms being used in court and for the FA - that it will not be tolerated -simple!