STICKY : " SUNDAY 03rd APRIL 2011 UPDATE "

Thanks Carl.......I would have taken the 4 mil, vaughn is banging em in for fun at palace, that would have left 3 mil.

Wasn't Jay injured around the time of the transfer window?
Would he have passed a medical?
Why bring it up now.
J's still a City player so what’s the problem?
I think J has got under Carls skin.

The expression those who can't -write about it comes to mind.

Maybe Jones called him back because a deal to bring a replacement in fell through.
Who knows and who cares.

As far O'Neil didn’t he leave Villa because of the size of his transfer budget?

If we don’t go up O'Neil would want a 30 million transfer budget.

In the premier league he'd want 100 million to come to City.

Has
Someone feed you a porkie Carl.
£9k per week in the premier league.
I don't think an agent would accept that.
JLS is reported as being on 27k a week

Wasn't Jay injured around the time of the transfer window?
Would he have passed a medical?
Why bring it up now.
J's still a City player so what’s the problem?
I think J has got under Carls skin.

The expression those who can't -write about it comes to mind.

Maybe Jones called him back because a deal to bring a replacement in fell through.
Who knows and who cares.

As far O'Neil didn’t he leave Villa because of the size of his transfer budget?

If we don’t go up O'Neil would want a 30 million transfer budget.

In the premier league he'd want 100 million to come to City.

to an extent O'Neil left Villa because of the transfer budget but i was under the impression that he said he couldnt take this club any further than has with the funds available and current squad. O'Neil doesnt like to be static and enjoys a challenge and if Cardiff get promoted i believe the challenge of Cardiff staying in the Premiership and progressing up the league would be a suitable challenge for him

Cheers Carl

Jay just twittered

hahaha that article isn't true one bit ....

I'm wondering if the players are having a laugh at Carl's expense.

Jay just twittered

hahaha that article isn't true one bit ....

I'm wondering if the players are having a laugh at Carl's expense.

And would Jay admit it ?

Jay just twittered

hahaha that article isn't true one bit ....

I'm wondering if the players are having a laugh at Carl's expense.

And would Jay admit it ?

So you're saying that Jay Bothroyd is lying?

chears carl mate

Great update (as usual) Carl....

Some very informative items in there....not least the Jay Bothroyd bits

Don't blame Jay for travelling to Fulham (or anywhere else east of Cardiff) if the club accepted an offer from a Premiership side....but it MAY explain Jay's sudden loss of form

As for the 'snipers' please don't react to the feckers, Carl. They just ain't worth wasting your breath (or pen ) over, as thay will keep having a 'chip' whatever or whoever tries to be POSITIVE about the team we love....

Keep it coming, mate....

Jay just twittered

hahaha that article isn't true one bit ....

I'm wondering if the players are having a laugh at Carl's expense.

And would Jay admit it ?

So you're saying that Jay Bothroyd is lying?

Who knows?

What would your view be if he went to say Fulham in summer?

This could possibly be one of the most eagerly anticipated update to date. Firstly now I have everyone's attention I would never set out to harm our club nor do I have an agenda that would not want our team, our manager and most importantly our club to succeed.

When I said there would be an explosive update and it would feature Jay Bothroyd, there were many posters who thought the update would be an attack or character assassination of Jay. As far as I was concerned I said the update would be explosive but I did not say that the stuff about Jay would be

Stick together and support the boys through to the end of the season, we are the club as much as the players and staff are

In a recent update I said that Michael Chopra had been out in Hereford on the night before the Barnsley game, I was told this week that Dave Jones' P.A. Tracy reads the message board on behalf of Dave and reports back to him what she thinks is relevant and she obviously believed that the Chopra story was not just a messageboard rumour/crap and reported it back to her boss.

As a result Michael Chopra was called in for a disciplinary meeting with Dave Jones and Gethin Jenkins, Chopra was warned of his future conduct and reminded of his professionalism, responsibilities and duties being a Cardiff City player, this incident took place just days after Dave Jones had said that the squad would eat, sleep and breathe football.

The whole squad was called together for a meeting too again with Dave Jones and Gethin Jenkins and they were all told in no uncertain terms that this kind of behaviour would not be tolerated and anyone found doing so would be disciplined accordingly. I am told Dave Jones was furious over the incident as it clearly showed a lack of respect by one his players to him and also to the rest of the squad.

I don't think that you will hear any more stories, not this season anyway, of a Cardiff City player being in this situation again. This I feel can only be good for the club and our chances, I believe that I did the right thing in putting in an update and would not hesitate in doing so again, as this as been dealt with the right way by the club.

We all knew that there were many suitors looking at Jay Bothroyd in the recent transfer window and I am told from a reliable source that Gethin Jenkins met with Jay Bothroyd's agent Sky Andrew in London during the transfer window and agreed that if an offer of £4million pounds came in for Jay then that would be the figure that the club would accept to allow Jay to leave.

I am reliably informed that we did in fact receive an offer of £4million not from one but from two clubs during the transfer window. One of those clubs were Fulham and the other is still unknown to me. Because the offer was the agreed price I am told that Jay was on his way to London to talk with Fulham over a potential move but during the journey and somewhere along the M4, Jay received a phone call from Dave Jones who told Jay that we are not selling you and turn the car around and come back to Cardiff.

Firstly, I do not blame Jay Bothroyd one bit in making his way to London to speak to a Premier League club, who can forget about the contract that we are told the club offered Jay back towards the end of 2010, it was a £1000 per week rise on his current salary which would take him to £9k per week, don't get me wrong it is a wonderful wage if you can get it but I believe that many of us would have thought he is worth more than that when you take in the amount of wages that other players are o at Cardiff and elsewhere.

Jay was exercising his right, just like young Adam Matthews did ( who incidentally did not want to leave Cardiff City but had too as there was no contract on offer to him and he obviously felt unwanted ) and Adam ended up talking to Celtic like I told you weeks before he actually signed a pre contract with them. Adam believed that he was going in January to Glasgow but there were issues that could not get sorted between Celtic and Cardiff so Celtic hang on and had him sign a pre contract days after the transfer window closed.

So with regards to Jay I do not blame him and neither do I believe any City fan should as he is performed brilliantly for us and will go down in history as the first and currently only ever current Cardiff City player to achieve a full cap for England. Jay could have insisted that he be allowed to go to Fulham and he didn't, he wants to play his part in gaining promotion.

I also salute Dave Jones in this situation for keeping the squad together during a season where we have serious aspirations of making it to the Premiership and at the end of the transfer window and not accept £4million for a player who will probably leave at the end of the season for nothing was a brave move but in my opinion the right move.

What was Dave Jones' reason for telling Jay to turn around, was it that he felt he could not get a replacement? Was it that our players are mortgaged and the money would go to Ray Ranson? Was it that the Malaysians told Dave Jones that we do not want to sell Jay Bothroyd ? I remember telling people that Sam Hammam told the Malaysians that we had to keep Jay for our best possible chance, was this reason ?

Whatever the reason, the fact is DJ wanted to keep hold of Jay and Jay also decided to stay and we were all happy at the final hours of the transfer window when Jay was still here.

Michael Chopra tweeted after the Barnsley the game and his subsequent injury that his season was over, I have remained sceptical over this as I have not read anywhere that our club have confirmed nor in the interest of balance I must say denied it either, maybe I have missed it and if so someone can correct me. Because of my suspicion that his injury is not season ending I got to work on some digging last week, I spoke with members of the club but they would confirm or deny if his injury is not as bad as many believe, I managed to get information from members of the medical team and they were more honest with me regarding Chopra.

Michael is going for a scan this week and that will tell them more about his injury and how much longer he will be out for but they said the signs are good and he is progressing well and they are very hopeful that the scan results are good and there could be some very good news next week regarding Chopra playing a part before the end of the season.

Tom Heaton came through yesterdays game with little affect bar feeling a little stiffness but that was to be expected.

Mark Hudson is still aiming for the end of April before he can make a return to the first team.

Aaron Ramsey, I forgot to put in the last update, was and still is the highest ever paid 17 year old at Cardiff City where he got £800 per week for his talent, many may scoff at the figure but in comparison to other 17 year old we have had at the club the most they have been on is £300 per week.

When Cardiff City Stadium opened the club was given a certain time frame by the council where the club would not have to pay council tax and business rates, I am aware this is now angering the retail operators across the road and I am told that many of the stores are now refusing to pay their rates and council tax until they are told and shown that Cardiff City Football Club are paying theirs. This means tens of thousands to the club each season and has been a welcome boost and the council have certainly backed the club.

Yesterday the club officials had many visitors from Malaysia and many will have already read that a Prince from one of the Malaysian Royal Family's was in attendance, I had a brief chat after the game with Gethin Jenkins who was entertaining and looking after the Malaysian high commissioner, also in attendance was TG. Gethin looked extremely anxious and wanted to make sure that the party was looked after and enjoyed their day. The club are hopeful that there will be further investment coming as part of these visits and the hope is to build Cardiff City as the number one British team throughout Malaysia.

For those who sit in the Family stand will have noticed the new "I'll Be There" banners that have been put up around the concourse and the walls have been painted to make the place look brighter and much more colourful and welcoming, speaking with the commercial department I am told that Sony have been brilliant with the club and paid for and supplied the new banners, Mike Young was also recognised for his efforts during the conversation and I know that Mike was in the directors box yesterday.

Former City player Stuart Fleetwood is on the move at the end of the season and I hear that he will be back in the Championship and this time it will be with Ipswich Town.

I spoke with Jamie De Cruz from our media department yesterday and he told me that the motivational video that was put on the big screen yesterday only featured Craig Bellamy as the editor who done the piece has been very busy, I would like to know what he has been doing all this time though as the video was shot on Thursday 03rd March, but Jamie did tell me that the video will be longer for the next home game as for the three remaining home games they are adding the fans parts so it would not become boring. I am not holding my breathe to be honest but we will see.

I read today that Dave Jones has said that the wage bill is the same as last year, also Gethin Jenkins made the same comment recently in an interview with the Echo, I am told that there is a play on words in force here and in theory both men are correct as the wage bill is paid at the end of each month and that is the same as last season but what is not being said is that the club are invoiced in the middle of each month for the loan players and this amount is not factored into the wage budget. I bring this up as again this week I have been reminded that Vincent Tan is paying more than £1million out each month from his own pocket to run the club and pay off the debts that have accrued over time.

Cardiff City now have two youngsters over from Malaysia and they are in now in our youth team after Scott Young and Neil Ardley watched them. On Thursday Scott Young travels back to Malaysia to see another lot of Malaysian youngsters, the dream is that a Malaysian eventually makes into the Cardiff City first team.

This seasons Player of the Year will take place on April 23rd after the QPR game, a decision has been made that no trophy will be able to be presented from either of the messageboards and that all players and management will be out of the event by 1opm and no later.

I had a phone call on Friday from a good source to ask if I have also heard anything about an approach being made by the club for Martin O'Neill, I said that I have heard his name being banded about and nothing more. Yesterday throughout the day I had more and more texts and phone calls from different people asking me if what they were hearing is true. I will say what I have heard but I am not saying it as fact only that I have heard it, I am told that apparently Martin O'Neill was in Malaysia last week and an approach was made by the club for his services next season. Personally I was not going to put this out as I believe it only to be a rumour and nothing more, I have not been told by anyone from within the club about it but only external sources. As I have said before do not shoot the messenger as I am only repeating what I am being told, truthfully I do not know if there is any truth in it and it is obvious by the amount of messages I have received that many others have heard the same rumour.

Some interesting stuff, I think some take it far to seriously, with all due respect to Carl, he's just a fan who knows a few people on the inside of the club, most of it is hearsay which, if most of us UNDERSTAND that then take it for what it is.... included the whole O'Neil rumours...

The ONLY ones who know what is 100% happening is DJ/Geth/Malaysians and whatever player is involved.

I really think we should stop all the "explosive" hype that go with Carl's updates.... for me it's too much about the drama and hype.... telling us 5 days before and building it like some WWE entertainment event.

I think we're lucky that Carl is prepared to put his name to the updates and share with us what he has been told.

thank you carl, any info be it credible or heresay will always be welcomed by me

lets hope the news on chops is true and we can get him back for the last few games
from preston on would be good

i didnt even consider that this update might not be true and Carl is ill-informed, but come to think of it, i genuinely think it might be wrong...

i mean, ive always just assumed that Carl really does have the full inside story but maybe not so much?
how do we know for sure? i definitely know of more than a few updates that have ended up coming to nothing

it doesnt even make sense that Fulham would want Bothroyd, let alone for £4mil when hes out of contract at the end of the season, when they have a better version of him in Zamora (though he was injured at the time) and Dembele who is of very similar style to Jay.
plus, if Carl can find out who the one club was who wanted Bothroyd then why he cant he find out the other, why would these "contacts" just spill half of the beans?

it all seems a bit suspect to me...

I reckon that Jay is right and it might be total rubbish and Carl has been given wrong information.

This forum is just doing nothing but causing problems for OUR club who are in the middle of trying to get promotion, and creating a divide between some of the fans and our club, in my opinion.

Something to think about.

Up the City

i didnt even consider that this update might not be true

i mean, ive always just assumed that Carl really does have the full inside story

It's attitudes like this that worry me (scott, I don't blame you for it) but a select few posters need to realise that some people do take their words for gospel.

Is it right that people believe anything they read on what is nothing more than an internet messageboard, written by people who are nothing more than internet messageboard posters?

No, it's not. But the fact remains that it happens.

The body of THIS update particularly shows that Carl, at least, is trying to insist that he is merely relaying what he has been told.

But then other posters talk up what he says, and other posters treat it as if it's fact, and then it all spirals onwards.

The only fact is that this story may or may not be true, but there is no proof either way.

Bothroyd himself says it is not true. The club have said we recieved no bids. Fulham have said nothing in the way of bidding for him.

As far as I'm aware, no source other than the one who Carl has relayed has claimed Fulham have bid for Bothroyd.

That's not to say it isn't true. It could well be. But it could just as easily be untrue.

The posters on a mere internet messageboard, who do not comprise anything like a majority of Cardiff City support are not the place to garner facts and complete truths about the day to day occurances of our club.

The lesson everyone should take away from this is to believe nothing you read on the internet without further proof.

Thanks Carl

What is the difference between Carl's updates and news in the media? Both have contacts and both might not get it right every time. Carl just relays what he hears and as Dave Sheffield said, don't believe it all. The only thing about this update that I might consider 'damaging' is the Martin O'Neill rumour and to be honest, I heard that before Carl's update so it's doing the rounds anyway.

As for the bit about Jay, who cares? I don't blame him if it's true and if it's not, well, fair dos.

I see Carl's updates as a great source of entertainment. If anything they comfort me because when I didn't know what was going on I always feared the worst so the reality is often better than what I imagined was happening.

Carl, it's a cracking update and those on the inside know what is true and what isn't so they won't get pissed off unless something true comes out and if it's something that pisses them off then surely it's better us, the fans, who keep the club going know about it.

As has been said though, people need to just chill out and take a more relaxed view of these updates. I'm sure even Carl will admit he doesn't get it right every time but the number of people posting in this topic and online when the update was released showed that there are a lot of people who enjoy the updates so just calm down and don't take them so seriously.

What is the difference between Carl's updates and news in the media? Both have contacts and both might not get it right every time. Carl just relays what he hears and as Dave Sheffield said, don't believe it all. The only thing about this update that I might consider 'damaging' is the Martin O'Neill rumour and to be honest, I heard that before Carl's update so it's doing the rounds anyway.

As for the bit about Jay, who cares? I don't blame him if it's true and if it's not, well, fair dos.

I see Carl's updates as a great source of entertainment. If anything they comfort me because when I didn't know what was going on I always feared the worst so the reality is often better than what I imagined was happening.

Carl, it's a cracking update and those on the inside know what is true and what isn't so they won't get pissed off unless something true comes out and if it's something that pisses them off then surely it's better us, the fans, who keep the club going know about it.

As has been said though, people need to just chill out and take a more relaxed view of these updates. I'm sure even Carl will admit he doesn't get it right every time but the number of people posting in this topic and online when the update was released showed that there are a lot of people who enjoy the updates so just calm down and don't take them so seriously.

Zabier, I Agree with most of what you said, but Carl never spread the rumour around about Martin O'neil, it was already out and had been posted already by at least 2 people on this forum and a couple on another forum. Read what Carl says


' I had a phone call on Friday from a good source to ask if I have also heard anything about an approach being made by the club for Martin O'Neill, I said that I have heard his name being banded about and nothing more. '

That's my point Annis. The club have come out in the past and said 'certain factions are trying to damage this club' clearly pointing in the direction of this forum when in fact the majority of damaging things are coming from closer to home... i.e. staff members within the club!

That's my point Annis. The club have come out in the past and said 'certain factions are trying to damage this club' clearly pointing in the direction of this forum when in fact the majority of damaging things are coming from closer to home... i.e. staff members within the club!

Zabier
Correct, 4 or 5 people from within the Club are going out of there way to tell the Gossip/Facts and some times Deliberately try and stir, Carl actually does water things down.

That's my point Annis. The club have come out in the past and said 'certain factions are trying to damage this club' clearly pointing in the direction of this forum when in fact the majority of damaging things are coming from closer to home... i.e. staff members within the club!

Zabier
Correct, 4 or 5 people from within the Club are going out of there way to tell the Gossip/Facts and some times Deliberately try and stir, Carl actually does water things down.

I wish Chopra took a leaf out of Carl's book and watered things down!

with all respect, what in that update was ''explosive''?

Jay just twittered

hahaha that article isn't true one bit ....

I'm wondering if the players are having a laugh at Carl's expense.

I certainly think the bit about Chops not being out for the season is true and well done to Carl for digging that little gem out.
It will be huge if we can get him back even if he lets himself down now and again still our best and most natural goalscorer, and I will predict now he scores the winning goal against QPR on 23rd April.

Well done Carl please keep us updated on his progress.

Great update.

Certainly explosive!!!!!!!!!!

not as herrendous as people thought...LOL

Suprised about O`Neill but very interesting.

Where`s the "explosive" bit?

Great update.

Certainly explosive!!!!!!!!!!

not as herrendous as people thought...LOL

Suprised about O`Neill but very interesting.

Where`s the "explosive" bit?

It got Jays attention.

Great update.

Certainly explosive!!!!!!!!!!

not as herrendous as people thought...LOL

Suprised about O`Neill but very interesting.

Where`s the "explosive" bit?

It got Jays attention.

But seriously , where`s the explosive bit?

It got Jays attention.

But seriously , where`s the explosive bit?

Possible return of Chopra when everyone believed he was definitely out for the season, about as big a story we can get after the loan window shut.

Chopra disciplined and rest of squad warned over future conduct, as a result of DJ's reading this forum and reporting back.

City missing out on £4million when we are riddled with debt.

Maybe not Earth Shattering enough for you Keith but I can't just make stuff up to suit people's taste.

It got Jays attention.

But seriously , where`s the explosive bit?

Possible return of Chopra when everyone believed he was definitely out for the season, about as big a story we can get after the loan window shut.

Chopra disciplined and rest of squad warned over future conduct, as a result of DJ's reading this forum and reporting back.

City missing out on £4million when we are riddled with debt.

Maybe not Earth Shattering enough for you Keith but I can't just make stuff up to suit people's taste.

The criticism I was making Carl was the huge build up that your post was getting for most of the week with all the "explosive" news bit .

I appreciate that there will always be a large element of spin in the lead up to boost posting figures or widen the regular poster base (the club could do with more such imaginative marketing ploys itself ) but it has increasingly become over the top in recent weeks.


The , as you say "possible" return of Chopra is a very welcome possibility and good news but not "explosive" by any definition I know. Nor is the fact that the players have had a well deserved b*llocking over their off the field activities.As you will suspect , I would say this has occured not largely as a result of Dave Jones reading this forum but as a result of a series of events which have previously been reported in the press (I do accept he may have read comments here and referred to them in his talk to the players though). Chopra and Blake in particular have had their behavioural problems publicly exposed over several months.

The problem with the Bothroyd £4m missed transfer rumour is that it is just that. The club have denied it , Fulham have denied it and Bothroyd himself has denied it. I don`t doubt that you have been told that they are all telling lies about this but , while your source remains anonymous (as a player or employee he will have to keep his head down) there are no facts available to make the reporting of such a rumour "explosive" either. I am even unsure if getting £4m for him would have been a good deal at the time as reducing the debt due to Sports Asset Management (the money couldn`t have been used for new signings as we know) had to be balanced against losing our top scorer whose goals could have (and still could) get us promoted with the consequent far greater financial rewards.

I wouldn`t want you to make things up (others accuse you of that - I haven`t) , I just think the whole update thing is becoming increasingly overhyped week by week. As a posting by itself it contained some good opinions and comments to stimulate debate.

Keith

Just to interject - if anyone thinks the updates are over hyped, devoid of fact or just bereft of positivity - then you do not have to read them.

Just to interject - if anyone thinks the updates are over hyped, devoid of fact or just bereft of positivity - then you do not have to read them.

Of course you do. Otherwise , how do you know what they contain to be able to form an opinion on whether they have been overhyped?

Keith