No Rubin, no problem

Kellyman today:

0 goals
0 assists
3 shots
1 on target
Subbed with a 6.8/10.

I think I could touch that ceiling today!

That's 2 goals, 0 assists in 16 appearances and 10 starts. Or 1 goal every 420mins (4.6 games).

Hurry up Rubin!

I also can't wait for Rubin to be back so it's obvious how overrated he is.

Kellyman is twice the player he will ever be, I'll say it again.

Hopefully we sell Rubin ASAP so we don't have to constantly hear people talking him up

I'll also say it again, Rubin is literally impacting games (more than..) twice as much as Kellyman.

Kellyman today:

0 goals
0 assists
3 shots
1 on target
Subbed with a 6.8/10.

I think I could touch that ceiling today!

That's 2 goals, 0 assists in 16 appearances and 10 starts. Or 1 goal every 420mins (4.6 games).

Hurry up Rubin!

I also can't wait for Rubin to be back so it's obvious how overrated he is.

Kellyman is twice the player he will ever be, I'll say it again.

Hopefully we sell Rubin ASAP so we don't have to constantly hear people talking him up

I'll also say it again, Rubin is literally impacting games (more than..) twice as much as Kellyman.

Well he isn't now he is he because he's injured yet again.

Kellyman is just hitting his stride and is showing in his performance levels that he is quality.

Rubin is playing third tier football at 23. Kellyman will play at a much higher level when he's that age.

Kellyman today:

0 goals
0 assists
3 shots
1 on target
Subbed with a 6.8/10.

I think I could touch that ceiling today!

That's 2 goals, 0 assists in 16 appearances and 10 starts. Or 1 goal every 420mins (4.6 games).

Hurry up Rubin!

I also can't wait for Rubin to be back so it's obvious how overrated he is.

Kellyman is twice the player he will ever be, I'll say it again.

Hopefully we sell Rubin ASAP so we don't have to constantly hear people talking him up

I'll also say it again, Rubin is literally impacting games (more than..) twice as much as Kellyman.

Kellyman was poor again today.

He has potential he’s only 20 I think but at this moment in time (before Rubin’s injury) he’s head, shoulders and everything else above Kellyman.

22 points from nine games without Rubin - 2.4 per game.

26 points from 14 games with Rubin - 1.8 per game.

Neither of those include the Northampton game when he came off after 20 minutes.

But this proves we are better without Rubin.

correlation does not imply causation

Rubin will go on to play in the Premier league I'm 100% certain of that so will Kellyman, I think it's wild people are trying to put one or the other down, they are both quality players and I'm thankful they are both cardiff city players at the momemt

22 points from nine games without Rubin - 2.4 per game.

26 points from 14 games with Rubin - 1.8 per game.

Neither of those include the Northampton game when he came off after 20 minutes.

But this proves we are better without Rubin.

That proves nothing. There are 11 players on the pitch, all of which have an effect on the game and result. There are also many players like Ashford, Robertson, Turnbull and Willock who have found form and are playing better than they were when Rubin was fit and playing.

Kellyman was very poor today, more or less played alongside Salech and very rarely came deep to get the ball. Robinson created more in the 20 mins that he played.

22 points from nine games without Rubin - 2.4 per game.

26 points from 14 games with Rubin - 1.8 per game.

Neither of those include the Northampton game when he came off after 20 minutes.

But this proves we are better without Rubin.

That proves nothing. There are 11 players on the pitch, all of which have an effect on the game and result. There are also many players like Ashford, Robertson, Turnbull and Willock who have found form and are playing better than they were when Rubin was fit and playing.

Kellyman was very poor today, more or less played alongside Salech and very rarely came deep to get the ball. Robinson created more in the 20 mins that he played.

Robinson did well because Kellyman tired their defenders.

Fact is we are picking up more points without the overrated golden boy.

22 points from nine games without Rubin - 2.4 per game.

26 points from 14 games with Rubin - 1.8 per game.

Neither of those include the Northampton game when he came off after 20 minutes.

But this proves we are better without Rubin.

That proves nothing. There are 11 players on the pitch, all of which have an effect on the game and result. There are also many players like Ashford, Robertson, Turnbull and Willock who have found form and are playing better than they were when Rubin was fit and playing.

Kellyman was very poor today, more or less played alongside Salech and very rarely came deep to get the ball. Robinson created more in the 20 mins that he played.

Robinson did well because Kellyman tired their defenders.

Fact is we are picking up more points without the overrated golden boy.

I don’t know when he pissed on your cornflakes but it’s a strange stance to take about one of our youngsters who’s highly rated by people outside of the club.

22 points from nine games without Rubin - 2.4 per game.

26 points from 14 games with Rubin - 1.8 per game.

Neither of those include the Northampton game when he came off after 20 minutes.

But this proves we are better without Rubin.

That proves nothing. There are 11 players on the pitch, all of which have an effect on the game and result. There are also many players like Ashford, Robertson, Turnbull and Willock who have found form and are playing better than they were when Rubin was fit and playing.

Kellyman was very poor today, more or less played alongside Salech and very rarely came deep to get the ball. Robinson created more in the 20 mins that he played.

Robinson did well because Kellyman tired their defenders.

Fact is we are picking up more points without the overrated golden boy.

Kellyman did nothing in the second half to tire out my 83 year old mother-in-law let alone 3 professional CB's.

When Rubin is back, he will be first choice at 10 and we will create more and score more goals and actually win by more than one goal which is what's happened since he's been out.

22 points from nine games without Rubin - 2.4 per game.

26 points from 14 games with Rubin - 1.8 per game.

Neither of those include the Northampton game when he came off after 20 minutes.

But this proves we are better without Rubin.

That proves nothing. There are 11 players on the pitch, all of which have an effect on the game and result. There are also many players like Ashford, Robertson, Turnbull and Willock who have found form and are playing better than they were when Rubin was fit and playing.

Kellyman was very poor today, more or less played alongside Salech and very rarely came deep to get the ball. Robinson created more in the 20 mins that he played.

Robinson did well because Kellyman tired their defenders.

Fact is we are picking up more points without the overrated golden boy.

Kellyman did nothing in the second half to tire out my 83 year old mother-in-law let alone 3 professional CB's.

When Rubin is back, he will be first choice at 10 and we will create more and score more goals and actually win by more than one goal which is what's happened since he's been out.

Yet we pick up more points without him.

22 points from nine games without Rubin - 2.4 per game.

26 points from 14 games with Rubin - 1.8 per game.

Neither of those include the Northampton game when he came off after 20 minutes.

But this proves we are better without Rubin.

That proves nothing. There are 11 players on the pitch, all of which have an effect on the game and result. There are also many players like Ashford, Robertson, Turnbull and Willock who have found form and are playing better than they were when Rubin was fit and playing.

Kellyman was very poor today, more or less played alongside Salech and very rarely came deep to get the ball. Robinson created more in the 20 mins that he played.

Robinson did well because Kellyman tired their defenders.

Fact is we are picking up more points without the overrated golden boy.

Kellyman did nothing in the second half to tire out my 83 year old mother-in-law let alone 3 professional CB's.

When Rubin is back, he will be first choice at 10 and we will create more and score more goals and actually win by more than one goal which is what's happened since he's been out.

Yet we pick up more points without him.

Hate to say it Ned, but you're getting boring now

22 points from nine games without Rubin - 2.4 per game.

26 points from 14 games with Rubin - 1.8 per game.

Neither of those include the Northampton game when he came off after 20 minutes.

But this proves we are better without Rubin.

That proves nothing. There are 11 players on the pitch, all of which have an effect on the game and result. There are also many players like Ashford, Robertson, Turnbull and Willock who have found form and are playing better than they were when Rubin was fit and playing.

Kellyman was very poor today, more or less played alongside Salech and very rarely came deep to get the ball. Robinson created more in the 20 mins that he played.

Robinson did well because Kellyman tired their defenders.

Fact is we are picking up more points without the overrated golden boy.

I don’t know when he pissed on your cornflakes but it’s a strange stance to take about one of our youngsters who’s highly rated by people outside of the club.

22 points from nine games without Rubin - 2.4 per game.

26 points from 14 games with Rubin - 1.8 per game.

Neither of those include the Northampton game when he came off after 20 minutes.

But this proves we are better without Rubin.

That proves nothing. There are 11 players on the pitch, all of which have an effect on the game and result. There are also many players like Ashford, Robertson, Turnbull and Willock who have found form and are playing better than they were when Rubin was fit and playing.

Kellyman was very poor today, more or less played alongside Salech and very rarely came deep to get the ball. Robinson created more in the 20 mins that he played.

Robinson did well because Kellyman tired their defenders.

Fact is we are picking up more points without the overrated golden boy.

Kellyman did nothing in the second half to tire out my 83 year old mother-in-law let alone 3 professional CB's.

When Rubin is back, he will be first choice at 10 and we will create more and score more goals and actually win by more than one goal which is what's happened since he's been out.

Yet we pick up more points without him.

Hate to say it Ned, but you're getting boring now

Glad you've finally realised you can't argue with that fact.

Today should have been Kellymans day. He had few defensive responsibilities but all we got were a few tame shots. He is a kid on loan to a well coached L1 team because that's where he is on his development.

Villa paid for him because he has something, how many wonder kids have we had at 16 who are almost non league by their mid 20's. On reputation he should be Cole Palmer in L1; he has good technique and close control but he doesn't have much appetite for the hard work and the attacking stuff doesn't compensate for the lack of other stuff. He just seems too weak at the moment.

Looking back, Philogene looked different gravy. But in all honesty has he impressed you more than Alves , Giles, Drameh, Dohoughty and Doyle in being loan from higher clubs. I don't believe an are in the premier league today.

I can't see any argument other than the "anyone but Rubin" gang where BBM selects Kellyman over Rubin

22 points from nine games without Rubin - 2.4 per game.

26 points from 14 games with Rubin - 1.8 per game.

Neither of those include the Northampton game when he came off after 20 minutes.

But this proves we are better without Rubin.

That proves nothing. There are 11 players on the pitch, all of which have an effect on the game and result. There are also many players like Ashford, Robertson, Turnbull and Willock who have found form and are playing better than they were when Rubin was fit and playing.

Kellyman was very poor today, more or less played alongside Salech and very rarely came deep to get the ball. Robinson created more in the 20 mins that he played.

Robinson did well because Kellyman tired their defenders.

Fact is we are picking up more points without the overrated golden boy.

I don’t know when he pissed on your cornflakes but it’s a strange stance to take about one of our youngsters who’s highly rated by people outside of the club.

He’s hardly a youngster, he played well at the lowest standard he’s ever played at but consistently was very poor at championship level. Yet people think he’s gonna play in the premier league. Highly unlikely.
Who else outside the clubs rates him of any relevance? Because as far as I can recall there’s been no offers that cannt be refused to buy him.

22 points from nine games without Rubin - 2.4 per game.

26 points from 14 games with Rubin - 1.8 per game.

Neither of those include the Northampton game when he came off after 20 minutes.

But this proves we are better without Rubin.

That proves nothing. There are 11 players on the pitch, all of which have an effect on the game and result. There are also many players like Ashford, Robertson, Turnbull and Willock who have found form and are playing better than they were when Rubin was fit and playing.

Kellyman was very poor today, more or less played alongside Salech and very rarely came deep to get the ball. Robinson created more in the 20 mins that he played.

Robinson did well because Kellyman tired their defenders.

Fact is we are picking up more points without the overrated golden boy.

I don’t know when he pissed on your cornflakes but it’s a strange stance to take about one of our youngsters who’s highly rated by people outside of the club.

If I'm being honest, I just get frustrated when people make out he does more than he does.

He's done OK this season but nothing to suggest that he's improved from when he was getting his chances in the Championship.

I just feel that so many people overplay his ability. We have players like Osho, Chambers, Turnbull, Willock etc who are torn apart for one bad performance but when Rubin plays bad then nothing is said by a lot of people.

Of course academy players get slightly different treatment which is right, but always felt it's gone too far.

Today should have been Kellymans day. He had few defensive responsibilities but all we got were a few tame shots. He is a kid on loan to a well coached L1 team because that's where he is on his development.

Villa paid for him because he has something, how many wonder kids have we had at 16 who are almost non league by their mid 20's. On reputation he should be Cole Palmer in L1; he has good technique and close control but he doesn't have much appetite for the hard work and the attacking stuff doesn't compensate for the lack of other stuff. He just seems too weak at the moment.

Looking back, Philogene looked different gravy. But in all honesty has he impressed you more than Alves , Giles, Drameh, Dohoughty and Doyle in being loan from higher clubs. I don't believe an are in the premier league today.

I can't see any argument other than the "anyone but Rubin" gang where BBM selects Kellyman over Rubin

My point is that Kellyman is 19. He will be hit and miss but when he's hitting, he's way better than Rubin.

Rubin is playing third tier football at 23, I expect Kellyman will be playing at a much higher level when he hits that age.

22 points from nine games without Rubin - 2.4 per game.

26 points from 14 games with Rubin - 1.8 per game.

Neither of those include the Northampton game when he came off after 20 minutes.

But this proves we are better without Rubin.

That proves nothing. There are 11 players on the pitch, all of which have an effect on the game and result. There are also many players like Ashford, Robertson, Turnbull and Willock who have found form and are playing better than they were when Rubin was fit and playing.

Kellyman was very poor today, more or less played alongside Salech and very rarely came deep to get the ball. Robinson created more in the 20 mins that he played.

Robinson did well because Kellyman tired their defenders.

Fact is we are picking up more points without the overrated golden boy.

I don’t know when he pissed on your cornflakes but it’s a strange stance to take about one of our youngsters who’s highly rated by people outside of the club.

If I'm being honest, I just get frustrated when people make out he does more than he does.

He's done OK this season but nothing to suggest that he's improved from when he was getting his chances in the Championship.

I just feel that so many people overplay his ability. We have players like Osho, Chambers, Turnbull, Willock etc who are torn apart for one bad performance but when Rubin plays bad then nothing is said by a lot of people.

Of course academy players get slightly different treatment which is right, but always felt it's gone too far.

He’s inconsistent, that’s one thing we can agree on but when he’s firing he dominates games. I do wish we could see that more often.

22 points from nine games without Rubin - 2.4 per game.

26 points from 14 games with Rubin - 1.8 per game.

Neither of those include the Northampton game when he came off after 20 minutes.

But this proves we are better without Rubin.

That proves nothing. There are 11 players on the pitch, all of which have an effect on the game and result. There are also many players like Ashford, Robertson, Turnbull and Willock who have found form and are playing better than they were when Rubin was fit and playing.

Kellyman was very poor today, more or less played alongside Salech and very rarely came deep to get the ball. Robinson created more in the 20 mins that he played.

Robinson did well because Kellyman tired their defenders.

Fact is we are picking up more points without the overrated golden boy.

Kellyman did nothing in the second half to tire out my 83 year old mother-in-law let alone 3 professional CB's.

When Rubin is back, he will be first choice at 10 and we will create more and score more goals and actually win by more than one goal which is what's happened since he's been out.

Yet we pick up more points without him.

Hate to say it Ned, but you're getting boring now

Glad you've finally realised you can't argue with that fact.

I already did but I hate repeating myself, unlike you.

22 points from nine games without Rubin - 2.4 per game.

26 points from 14 games with Rubin - 1.8 per game.

Neither of those include the Northampton game when he came off after 20 minutes.

But this proves we are better without Rubin.

That proves nothing. There are 11 players on the pitch, all of which have an effect on the game and result. There are also many players like Ashford, Robertson, Turnbull and Willock who have found form and are playing better than they were when Rubin was fit and playing.

Kellyman was very poor today, more or less played alongside Salech and very rarely came deep to get the ball. Robinson created more in the 20 mins that he played.

Robinson did well because Kellyman tired their defenders.

Fact is we are picking up more points without the overrated golden boy.

Kellyman did nothing in the second half to tire out my 83 year old mother-in-law let alone 3 professional CB's.

When Rubin is back, he will be first choice at 10 and we will create more and score more goals and actually win by more than one goal which is what's happened since he's been out.

Yet we pick up more points without him.

Hate to say it Ned, but you're getting boring now

Glad you've finally realised you can't argue with that fact.

I already did but I hate repeating myself, unlike you.

That's strange, because you made two back to back posts saying Kellyman was poor.

Isn't it boring when people repeat themselves?

Today should have been Kellymans day. He had few defensive responsibilities but all we got were a few tame shots. He is a kid on loan to a well coached L1 team because that's where he is on his development.

Villa paid for him because he has something, how many wonder kids have we had at 16 who are almost non league by their mid 20's. On reputation he should be Cole Palmer in L1; he has good technique and close control but he doesn't have much appetite for the hard work and the attacking stuff doesn't compensate for the lack of other stuff. He just seems too weak at the moment.

Looking back, Philogene looked different gravy. But in all honesty has he impressed you more than Alves , Giles, Drameh, Dohoughty and Doyle in being loan from higher clubs. I don't believe an are in the premier league today.

I can't see any argument other than the "anyone but Rubin" gang where BBM selects Kellyman over Rubin

My point is that Kellyman is 19. He will be hit and miss but when he's hitting, he's way better than Rubin.

Rubin is playing third tier football at 23, I expect Kellyman will be playing at a much higher level when he hits that age.

He is 20 so older than Lawlor and exactly 12 months younger than Ashford. He has played 424 mins over the last 9 games, so averaging 50 mins a game resulting in 2 defected goals and zero assists.

BBM is a systems guys and he always said they would improve month on month, especially during the November "wobble" .
The player's whoever he selects know theirs and their team mates roles and fill in and can play passes blind now. They all have bought in and trust in it. Away draws are now considered poor results. In this huge points haul BBM has played everyone in the 10 role, no one has grabbed the jersey. Whereas before the injury it was Rubins.
He isn't Messi but like most of this squad i doubt he'll ever play L1 again.

Kellymen has bought the golden lottery ticket. He is contracted to Chelsea until June 2030 !!!!

Today should have been Kellymans day. He had few defensive responsibilities but all we got were a few tame shots. He is a kid on loan to a well coached L1 team because that's where he is on his development.

Villa paid for him because he has something, how many wonder kids have we had at 16 who are almost non league by their mid 20's. On reputation he should be Cole Palmer in L1; he has good technique and close control but he doesn't have much appetite for the hard work and the attacking stuff doesn't compensate for the lack of other stuff. He just seems too weak at the moment.

Looking back, Philogene looked different gravy. But in all honesty has he impressed you more than Alves , Giles, Drameh, Dohoughty and Doyle in being loan from higher clubs. I don't believe an are in the premier league today.

I can't see any argument other than the "anyone but Rubin" gang where BBM selects Kellyman over Rubin

My point is that Kellyman is 19. He will be hit and miss but when he's hitting, he's way better than Rubin.

Rubin is playing third tier football at 23, I expect Kellyman will be playing at a much higher level when he hits that age.

He is 20 so older than Lawlor and exactly 12 months younger than Ashford. He has played 424 mins over the last 9 games, so averaging 50 mins a game resulting in 2 defected goals and zero assists.

BBM is a systems guys and he always said they would improve month on month, especially during the November "wobble" .
The player's whoever he selects know theirs and their team mates roles and fill in and can play passes blind now. They all have bought in and trust in it. Away draws are now considered poor results. In this huge points haul BBM has played everyone in the 10 role, no one has grabbed the jersey. Whereas before the injury it was Rubins.
He isn't Messi but like most of this squad i doubt he'll ever play L1 again.

Kellymen has bought the golden lottery ticket. He is contracted to Chelsea until June 2030 !!!!

Fair points actually, thought he was 19 but you're right when you say he's 20.

We will see what happens when Rubin comes back. It's a while off so Kellyman does have the chance to make it difficult to put Rubin back in, he has the ability.

22 points from nine games without Rubin - 2.4 per game.

26 points from 14 games with Rubin - 1.8 per game.

Neither of those include the Northampton game when he came off after 20 minutes.

But this proves we are better without Rubin.

That proves nothing. There are 11 players on the pitch, all of which have an effect on the game and result. There are also many players like Ashford, Robertson, Turnbull and Willock who have found form and are playing better than they were when Rubin was fit and playing.

Kellyman was very poor today, more or less played alongside Salech and very rarely came deep to get the ball. Robinson created more in the 20 mins that he played.

Robinson did well because Kellyman tired their defenders.

Fact is we are picking up more points without the overrated golden boy.

Kellyman did nothing in the second half to tire out my 83 year old mother-in-law let alone 3 professional CB's.

When Rubin is back, he will be first choice at 10 and we will create more and score more goals and actually win by more than one goal which is what's happened since he's been out.

Yet we pick up more points without him.

Hate to say it Ned, but you're getting boring now

Glad you've finally realised you can't argue with that fact.

I already did but I hate repeating myself, unlike you.

That's strange, because you made two back to back posts saying Kellyman was poor.

Isn't it boring when people repeat themselves?

No I didn't.

One comment saying he was poor and another saying he didn't tire out their CB's.

Try again

22 points from nine games without Rubin - 2.4 per game.

26 points from 14 games with Rubin - 1.8 per game.

Neither of those include the Northampton game when he came off after 20 minutes.

But this proves we are better without Rubin.

That proves nothing. There are 11 players on the pitch, all of which have an effect on the game and result. There are also many players like Ashford, Robertson, Turnbull and Willock who have found form and are playing better than they were when Rubin was fit and playing.

Kellyman was very poor today, more or less played alongside Salech and very rarely came deep to get the ball. Robinson created more in the 20 mins that he played.

Robinson did well because Kellyman tired their defenders.

Fact is we are picking up more points without the overrated golden boy.

Kellyman did nothing in the second half to tire out my 83 year old mother-in-law let alone 3 professional CB's.

When Rubin is back, he will be first choice at 10 and we will create more and score more goals and actually win by more than one goal which is what's happened since he's been out.

Yet we pick up more points without him.

Hate to say it Ned, but you're getting boring now

Glad you've finally realised you can't argue with that fact.

I already did but I hate repeating myself, unlike you.

That's strange, because you made two back to back posts saying Kellyman was poor.

Isn't it boring when people repeat themselves?

No I didn't.

One comment saying he was poor and another saying he didn't tire out their CB's.

Try again

I read that as pretty much the same thing.

But whatever, we'll see how great the king of Cardiff is when he comes back from his latest injury.

It must be awful for such a talented player to be constantly downed by some fans, negative about everything he does.

It must be awful for such a talented player to be constantly downed by some fans, negative about everything he does.

Yes according to some on here players need to have a higher ceiling than a Chelsea player otherwise they ain't going to make it at Cardiff

Consistency is key. Most players in champ and league 1 that have genuine talent are inconsistent.
Rubin also looks gangly and his style can make him look lazy.
But he’s actually be of our best players.

Latest games have been flat and stale without him to be honest.

Many bored fans about at the moment.

It’s a shame Rubin gets picked out when even kpakio and lawlor can be hit and miss.
Get behind the boy FFS.

Consistency is key. Most players in champ and league 1 that have genuine talent are inconsistent.
Rubin also looks gangly and his style can make him look lazy.
But he’s actually be of our best players.

Latest games have been flat and stale without him to be honest.

Many bored fans about at the moment.

It’s a shame Rubin gets picked out when even kpakio and lawlor can be hit and miss.
Get behind the boy FFS.

It’s not about not getting behind him, it’s a reality check. If I was on the pitch everyone got behind me I’d still be shit the the presence of pro footballers. Every pro footballer is talented when benchmarked against everyone. But there are levels like Rubin is talented benchmarked against league 1 players no doubt. But when he had his chances and there have been many that most wouldn’t have been afforded he’s average at best. It may be different next season and hope it is but we won’t know till he playing at the next level again. As far as benchmarking at premier league level I think that is currently a million miles away and not worth thinking about. But that could change in 12 months and I hope it does.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WVOXRnJkK0

Great watch......credit to themselves, family and club