CONSORTIUM BY GARETH BALE APPROACHED CARDIFF

Annis,

Are we saying the consortium that Jonny Owen put forward previously and the Gareth Bale consortium are the same ones or different ?

Ned,

Jonny Owen may be on the board at Forrest but its well documented that he is a Cardiff City fan.

Surely everyone must seen We need Tan to be hounded out:

Absolutely spot on.

And that's my favourite flag from the protests.

100%

Ned I agree and my favourite

Annis,

Are we saying the consortium that Jonny Owen put forward previously and the Gareth Bale consortium are the same ones or different ?

Ned,

Jonny Owen may be on the board at Forrest but its well documented that he is a Cardiff City fan.

Totally totally different.

Correct

Annis,

Are we saying the consortium that Jonny Owen put forward previously and the Gareth Bale consortium are the same ones or different ?

Ned,

Jonny Owen may be on the board at Forrest but its well documented that he is a Cardiff City fan.

Is he?

Whenever Vicki McClure is interviewed she's always talking about them being at Forest games.

Jonny Owen 100% Cardiff and Merthyr

He use to watch City with me

Jonny Owen is from Merthyr and a massive city fan , seen him at the jacks away years ago he’s really passionate. He used to present a show on a Sunday with highlights of the welsh teams very long time ago.

Annis,

Are we saying the consortium that Jonny Owen put forward previously and the Gareth Bale consortium are the same ones or different ?

Ned,

Jonny Owen may be on the board at Forrest but its well documented that he is a Cardiff City fan.

Is he?

Whenever Vicki McClure is interviewed she's always talking about them being at Forest games.

Ned,

He moved up there for her.

He joined their board

I spk regularly to him

Jonny Owen is from Merthyr and a massive city fan , seen him at the jacks away years ago he’s really passionate. He used to present a show on a Sunday with highlights of the welsh teams very long time ago.

Spot on

Jonny Owen is from Merthyr and a massive city fan , seen him at the jacks away years ago he’s really passionate. He used to present a show on a Sunday with highlights of the welsh teams very long time ago.

Spot on

Annis,

Are we saying the consortium that Jonny Owen put forward previously and the Gareth Bale consortium are the same ones or different ?

Ned,

Jonny Owen may be on the board at Forrest but its well documented that he is a Cardiff City fan.

Is he?

Whenever Vicki McClure is interviewed she's always talking about them being at Forest games.

Ned,

He moved up there for her.

He joined their board

I spk regularly to him

Fair enough Annis.

I've seen pictures of them both at Forest games so thought he supported Forest.

I know she is big time Forest because always talking about them.

I think he started doing a lot of their media, that's his bag, and it grew from there to a board member.

You never lose your first love(s)

One thing overlooked when everyone talks about Vinny’s asking price.Is what the price consists of?

obviously the stadium (£90m+?) the other tangible elements, such as the Vale lease. Playing squad (which we know everyone will dispute value), the trading business itself. And last but not at all least, the tax losses in the accounts.

These are carried forward and set against future profits before tax is payable. But are predominantly funded by him and some to Dalman, from the bulk of comments and aren’t owing to trade creditors.

I don’t go looking for the accounts and wouldn’t know they show. But I assume the cumulative losses are very high.
Years ago I had clients who bought companies with historic losses funded by the owners. And paid a decent proportion of the losses.
I don’t think it’s such a basket case of a purchase for a well funded buyer. If we get any form of settlement on the Sala case I think a sale could go through swiftly.

But this is Cardiff City,

One thing overlooked when everyone talks about Vinny’s asking price.Is what the price consists of?

obviously the stadium (£90m+?) the other tangible elements, such as the Vale lease. Playing squad (which we know everyone will dispute value), the trading business itself. And last but not at all least, the tax losses in the accounts.

These are carried forward and set against future profits before tax is payable. But are predominantly funded by him and some to Dalman, from the bulk of comments and aren’t owing to trade creditors.

I don’t go looking for the accounts and wouldn’t know they show. But I assume the cumulative losses are very high.
Years ago I had clients who bought companies with historic losses funded by the owners. And paid a decent proportion of the losses.
I don’t think it’s such a basket case of a purchase for a well funded buyer. If we get any form of settlement on the Sala case I think a sale could go through swiftly.

But this is Cardiff City,

Tan has a deal with Cardiff council.

He'll own our stadium and rent it out to whoever a new owner is.

One thing overlooked when everyone talks about Vinny’s asking price.Is what the price consists of?

obviously the stadium (£90m+?) the other tangible elements, such as the Vale lease. Playing squad (which we know everyone will dispute value), the trading business itself. And last but not at all least, the tax losses in the accounts.

These are carried forward and set against future profits before tax is payable. But are predominantly funded by him and some to Dalman, from the bulk of comments and aren’t owing to trade creditors.

I don’t go looking for the accounts and wouldn’t know they show. But I assume the cumulative losses are very high.
Years ago I had clients who bought companies with historic losses funded by the owners. And paid a decent proportion of the losses.
I don’t think it’s such a basket case of a purchase for a well funded buyer. If we get any form of settlement on the Sala case I think a sale could go through swiftly.

But this is Cardiff City,

Tan has a deal with Cardiff council.

He'll own our stadium and rent it out to whoever a new owner is.

I’d expect the long lease to be transferred as part of the sale Worcester. It’s worth around that much as a leasehold and the minimal ground rent. There should be assignable conditions in the lease. I’m sure there’s enough caveats in there that it has to remain as it is, and new owner be suitably acceptable. Otherwise the whole set up is worthless and of not much interest to a buyer. I think it’s held in the CCFC holding Co if memory serves me right.

Genuine question and I apologise if I’ve missed something obvious but who’s Jonny Owen?

On the positive side if this happens then on the face of it it would be fantastic. Can you imagine the feel good factor, the ST and attendance increase and the buzz it would provide? Party time!

As far as Bale is concerned I would imagine that he is just the face of the consortium and would have a very small financial interest.

On the negative side I just can’t see Tan selling as he seems delusional with the price he’s asking.

Paul, he's on the board at Forest

Cheers Matt.

Did you get the pm I sent a few weeks ago?

I did, sorry for not replying - been a hectic few weeks as my son is due in a couple of weeks!

It wasn’t Tan. Dalman wouldn’t even take the offer to Tan unless he received £35m up front. I know the others involved in the consortium. Dalman is the blocker.

It wasn’t Tan. Dalman wouldn’t even take the offer to Tan unless he received £35m up front. I know the others involved in the consortium. Dalman is the blocker.

Dalman isn't the blocker.

Dalman hates Tan and has done for years.

Dalman is the person trying to find a buyer.

this is why our club will never get rid of tan because of his deluded valuation on a league 1 club.

this is why our club will never get rid of tan because of his deluded valuation on a league 1 club.

Sam,

I was told once to go easy on you.

But you make such bad posts it's impossible.

That is not a constructive post at all.

You've ignored the point of the thread and normally have some weird obsession with Welsh connections so thought you'd build on that because of Bale in this thread.

But you've made a post which says nothing.

Baffled.

this is why our club will never get rid of tan because of his deluded valuation on a league 1 club.

Sam,

I was told once to go easy on you.

But you make such bad posts it's impossible.

That is not a constructive post at all.

You've ignored the point of the thread and normally have some weird obsession with Welsh connections so thought you'd build on that because of Bale in this thread.

But you've made a post which says nothing.

Baffled.

To be fair his comments are no worse than some of the other idiots on here. There might be some truth to this but the guesswork on here by some is astounding.

One thing overlooked when everyone talks about Vinny’s asking price.Is what the price consists of?

obviously the stadium (£90m+?) the other tangible elements, such as the Vale lease. Playing squad (which we know everyone will dispute value), the trading business itself. And last but not at all least, the tax losses in the accounts.

These are carried forward and set against future profits before tax is payable. But are predominantly funded by him and some to Dalman, from the bulk of comments and aren’t owing to trade creditors.

I don’t go looking for the accounts and wouldn’t know they show. But I assume the cumulative losses are very high.
Years ago I had clients who bought companies with historic losses funded by the owners. And paid a decent proportion of the losses.
I don’t think it’s such a basket case of a purchase for a well funded buyer. If we get any form of settlement on the Sala case I think a sale could go through swiftly.

But this is Cardiff City,

Tan has a deal with Cardiff council.

He'll own our stadium and rent it out to whoever a new owner is.

Because he can't sell stadium e can only rent it out can't imagine lease is 99yr one so won't have to much value to tan.. suspect it will come as part of deal anyway.... thankfully we can't get into the mess other clubs like Coventry derby found themselves in when taken over.

this is why our club will never get rid of tan because of his deluded valuation on a league 1 club.

Sam,

I was told once to go easy on you.

But you make such bad posts it's impossible.

That is not a constructive post at all.

You've ignored the point of the thread and normally have some weird obsession with Welsh connections so thought you'd build on that because of Bale in this thread.

But you've made a post which says nothing.

Baffled.

To be fair his comments are no worse than some of the other idiots on here. There might be some truth to this but the guesswork on here by some is astounding.

I just don't like unconstructive comments.

Might have been a bit harsh but I've tried very hard to be soft on Sam due to being told to, sometimes my patience explodes

The offer has come because we were relegated, and the consortium's offer will reflect that. Tan has poured over £200 million into Cardiff City over the years. To sell now, at rock bottom value, would mean taking a monumental personal hit. He's still a businessman. He's not going to want to walk away having lost such a vast sum if there's any pathway to recovering more of his investment. Holding out for promotion or a Sala payout gives him a chance to mitigate those losses.

So yeah, while we all want him gone yesterday, he's got clear financial incentives to hold out. It's a waiting game, and unfortunately for us, we're stuck in the middle of it.

Jonny Owen is us, he’s been on those terraces of Ninian Park, knows who we are, the highs, the lows, and what we could be if money men are guided in the right way. His passion is football and Forest at the minute but ask him where his heart is? Cardiff City!

If they are genuine, an agreement has to be reached if there is any justice in the world.

Johnny Owen a big city fan take a look at a documentary when we played at NP very passionate Bluebird

I hope something comes of this or other potential owners as it’s time for him to go, yeah he has invested millions but his own stupidity has cost him just as much money.

It’s 2025 and the club are in a worse state than it’s been in for years, be honest his love for the club is non existent unless it’s the prem. The club means nothing to him it’s a real life football chairman game with his rules.

The last few seasons have been complete dog shit and Tan is to blame for that, he picks the manager, his transfer team have more misses then hits, he decides if we can play in our own colours, he chose for us to have that piece of shit badge on display for the football world to mock us. He is the lunatic who gives high profile club jobs to people not qualified to do them.

If we do get new owners the first thing they can do is give us back our identity. The club badge and kit colour is our identity not his vision of what we are.

If it’s Gareth Bale, Elon Musk or whoever wants to buy us the club we would be better off. We might not be financially but he does not give two shits about us. We have had years and years of constant f*cking school boy mistakes and now they have hit him where it hurts his pockets.

Sell up Tan and f*ck off outta here ASAP

The offer has come because we were relegated, and the consortium's offer will reflect that. Tan has poured over £200 million into Cardiff City over the years. To sell now, at rock bottom value, would mean taking a monumental personal hit. He's still a businessman. He's not going to want to walk away having lost such a vast sum if there's any pathway to recovering more of his investment. Holding out for promotion or a Sala payout gives him a chance to mitigate those losses.

So yeah, while we all want him gone yesterday, he's got clear financial incentives to hold out. It's a waiting game, and unfortunately for us, we're stuck in the middle of it.

There are ways to do a deal with sala case accounted for ... sala case is a red herring as we've paid Nantes and we've recieved money from the insurance the case is about lost money from premier league relegation nothing to do with sala in that respect... tans problem is does he gamble we'll get promoted because if dont club worth even less to him.

The Sala case is now totally Separate:

For years Our Club paid £millions to fight and lost the £millions.

Tan last year got one of his companies now to to take over the Private Court Case amd if the case is Won they / he stands to get All the money now.

So the Sale does not depend on the Sala Case

The Sala case is now totally Separate:

For years Our Club paid £millions to fight and lost the £millions.

Tan last year got one of his companies now to to take over the Private Court Case amd if the case is Won they / he stands to get All the money now.

So the Sale does not depend on the Sala Case

Thats very interesting, Annis. It was always suggested that the Sala case was being taken on ‘away from the club’ and technically, that would take away a huge block on any potential sale

One thing overlooked when everyone talks about Vinny’s asking price.Is what the price consists of?

obviously the stadium (£90m+?) the other tangible elements, such as the Vale lease. Playing squad (which we know everyone will dispute value), the trading business itself. And last but not at all least, the tax losses in the accounts.

These are carried forward and set against future profits before tax is payable. But are predominantly funded by him and some to Dalman, from the bulk of comments and aren’t owing to trade creditors.

I don’t go looking for the accounts and wouldn’t know they show. But I assume the cumulative losses are very high.
Years ago I had clients who bought companies with historic losses funded by the owners. And paid a decent proportion of the losses.
I don’t think it’s such a basket case of a purchase for a well funded buyer. If we get any form of settlement on the Sala case I think a sale could go through swiftly.

But this is Cardiff City,

Tan has a deal with Cardiff council.

He'll own our stadium and rent it out to whoever a new owner is.

Because he can't sell stadium e can only rent it out can't imagine lease is 99yr one so won't have to much value to tan.. suspect it will come as part of deal anyway.... thankfully we can't get into the mess other clubs like Coventry derby found themselves in when taken over.

I thought it was a 150 yr lease.
No difference to a leasehold flat, in principle. So he should be able to sell the lease on, subject to council consent. Same as someone buying a leasehold flat. Quite a lot of commercial properties on industrial estates are long leasehold, not freehold. And they’re frequently sold on in same fashion.

But my main point in my post was to raise awareness that the tax losses can actually be of “value” to Vinny in amongst it all. And it’s not just dead money he’s thrown in.
For conversation, Say there’s £200m of cumulative losses in the accounts. If someone gave him £100m for that, they can earn double that before any corporation tax is due . And on the flip side, vinny writes off £100m losses and gets whatever tax relief he would on that. Or he may even be able to set those losses against other profits. Either way, the net, net loss to him has the potential be dramatically reduced.

Looking at all the different articles and that about the club, I’m inclined to agree with another OP who asks are we close to seeing the end of Tans ownership. I think we are.