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Re: NANTES BEING PAID ON WEDNESDAY

Mon Jan 09, 2023 10:55 am

Here is how it may work out - we pay Nantes to get the embargo lifted.
We counter sue Nantes as Mackay - acting on their behalf then organised the illegal flight.
We will sue for loss of earnings that Sala would have brought to the club (Cardiff).

Nantes will realise the payment is an empty victory as the majority of it will be coming back to us (Cardiff).

Settlement out of court, Mackay and many others will be counted sued both by Nantes and us both in the UK and in France.

Mackay (so I heard) has declared bankruptcy and any assets were transferred to his wife a long time ago. Both clubs will go after him personally (not sure if that wil work out if he was operating via his company - but this would come under French law as Mackay was representing Nantes.

A unique set of parameters here and interesting from a legal perspective.

Re: NANTES BEING PAID ON WEDNESDAY

Mon Jan 09, 2023 12:21 pm

Forever Blue wrote:The problem regarding the agents, how do you get blood out of a stone they are skint.
Plus they were working with Warnock who we had 2 of his sons playing for us.


Who his sons were / are and where they are employed is not relevant here (I believe). Implied or otherwise Sala was employed by Nantes - and they allowed or instructed mackay to get involved. Sala also made a decision to do what Mackay / Nante had requested and use the flight that Mackay had arranged on Nantes behalf.

So - in legal terms whether they knew it or not , Mackay was working for Nantes. Hence why I believe - as soon as the money is paid the club will counter sue for loss of earnings with regards to what they allowed to Mackay to do.

It will be a pyrrhic victory ( a victory with no winner). The fact Mackay maybe skint or not, will not be relevant in the subsequent counter claim against Nante. There will court action against anyone involved in the chain that has money.
Open season for law firms here.

I think personally Dalman knows this. But it would be remise of him to mention it in public, you save that for legal papers and the court room.

Re: NANTES BEING PAID ON WEDNESDAY

Mon Jan 09, 2023 12:27 pm

pipster wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:The problem regarding the agents, how do you get blood out of a stone they are skint.
Plus they were working with Warnock who we had 2 of his sons playing for us.


Who his sons were / are an where they are employed is not rekevant here (I believe). Implied or otherwise Sala was employed by Nantes - and they allowed or instructed mackay to get involved. Sala also made a decision to do what Mackay / Nante had requested and use the flight that Mackay had arranged on Nantes behalf.

So - in legal terms whether they knew it or not , Mackay was working for Nantes. Hence why I believe - as soon as the money is paid the club will counter sue for loss of earnings with regards to what they alowed to Mackay to do.

It will be a pyrrric victory ( a victory with no winner). The fact Mackay maybe skint or not will not be relevant in the subsequent counter claim against Nante. There will court action againsta anyone involved in the chain that has money.
Open season for law firms here.



It shows that we were working with him way before Nantes and he had his dons on our books who were virtually useless and Warmock was a good friend of his.

Plus after the deal with Nantes was done , it was up to Sala what he did in his own tone and he went back to France to say goodbye to his friends and put his dog teddy to fly over here, at that stage Sala was a registered Cardiff City player.


But this is not what we are currently fighting, our Regine is fighting that they are saying he was not our player and he was and so have 3 different Courts confirmed that , surely that is it with that, now using £20million.

Sue others now?

Agents bankrupt

Pilot died

Re: NANTES BEING PAID ON WEDNESDAY

Mon Jan 09, 2023 12:29 pm

The other point is, this topic says we are paying this Wednesday???

Re: NANTES BEING PAID ON WEDNESDAY

Mon Jan 09, 2023 12:34 pm

Forever Blue wrote:
pipster wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:The problem regarding the agents, how do you get blood out of a stone they are skint.
Plus they were working with Warnock who we had 2 of his sons playing for us.


Who his sons were / are an where they are employed is not rekevant here (I believe). Implied or otherwise Sala was employed by Nantes - and they allowed or instructed mackay to get involved. Sala also made a decision to do what Mackay / Nante had requested and use the flight that Mackay had arranged on Nantes behalf.

So - in legal terms whether they knew it or not , Mackay was working for Nantes. Hence why I believe - as soon as the money is paid the club will counter sue for loss of earnings with regards to what they alowed to Mackay to do.

It will be a pyrrric victory ( a victory with no winner). The fact Mackay maybe skint or not will not be relevant in the subsequent counter claim against Nante. There will court action againsta anyone involved in the chain that has money.
Open season for law firms here.



It shows that we were working with him way before Nantes and he had his dons on our books who were virtually useless and Warmock was a good friend of his.

Plus after the deal with Nantes was done , it was up to Sala what he did in his own tone and he went back to France to say goodbye to his friends and put his dog teddy to fly over here, at that stage Sala was a registered Cardiff City player.


But this is not what we are currently fighting, our Regine is fighting that they are saying he was not our player and he was and so have 3 different Courts confirmed that , surely that is it with that, now using £20million.

Sue others now?

Agents bankrupt

Pilot died

Mckays were acting for nantes as there selling agents the letter published in court confirms this .so it wouldn't matter about previous contact

Re: NANTES BEING PAID ON WEDNESDAY

Mon Jan 09, 2023 12:35 pm

Forever Blue wrote:The other point is, this topic says we are paying this Wednesday???

We will see Thursday if this happens or my info was a dud but he's been right before .

Re: NANTES BEING PAID ON WEDNESDAY

Mon Jan 09, 2023 12:58 pm

Forever Blue wrote:The problem regarding the agents, how do you get blood out of a stone they are skint.


Plus they were working with Warnock who we had 2 of his sons playing for us.


As I see it Annis they don’t need to be interested in the individual’s assets or whether they’re alive.
Potentially sue any/all of the following

Mckays PI insurers-even if they’ve shut the business down their PI would have run off cover in place for a few years
Henderson’s insurers- if he had any, similar run off cover
The plane owners insurers-same.
Nantes-who are tied in as per the vicarious liability they should have via the Mckays. I think strict liability may apply on this under EU law. Which I think would make it difficult for Nantes to hide behind cross border legalities.

This assumes the various insurance policies for the small businesses were not invalidated by the illegal use/hire of the plane. I’d say Paul Keevil could answer that.

I don’t think CCFC could have previously brought claims against any of the above until it was legally proven ES is/was our player. Because the insurers could have dismissed the claims by saying Cardiff haven’t yet suffered a loss due to ES’s death as he wasn’t ours to lose. If that reads how I intended!
Either way, we’d all love for this to be over. For everyone’s benefit. But it may just be moving into a new phase.

Re: NANTES BEING PAID ON WEDNESDAY

Mon Jan 09, 2023 1:40 pm

I'm not ITK or claim to be but surely going off yesterday's meeting there's no chance we are paying nantes this week?

Re: NANTES BEING PAID ON WEDNESDAY

Mon Jan 09, 2023 3:16 pm

Really hope Tan can go after McKay the slimey rat, just need a link from Nantes asking him to be involved for full involvement. Can it be found, I guess emails and mobile phone records ?

Re: NANTES BEING PAID ON WEDNESDAY

Mon Jan 09, 2023 3:19 pm

goats wrote:Really hope Tan can go after McKay the slimey rat, just need a link from Nantes asking him to be involved for full involvement. Can it be found, I guess emails and mobile phone records ?

It's common knowledge, his letter to sala was published he was the selling agent for Nantes link is there.

Re: NANTES BEING PAID ON WEDNESDAY

Tue Jan 10, 2023 9:11 pm

One day out, not bad my info tho :lol:

Re: NANTES BEING PAID ON WEDNESDAY

Tue Jan 10, 2023 9:40 pm

wez1927 wrote:One day out, not bad my info tho :lol:



Fair play you got it right Wez.

I never believed they would pay it.

Re: NANTES BEING PAID ON WEDNESDAY

Tue Jan 10, 2023 9:54 pm

Forever Blue wrote:
wez1927 wrote:One day out, not bad my info tho :lol:



Fair play you got it right Wez.

I never believed they would pay it.

My source wasn't twitter either :lol:

Re: NANTES BEING PAID ON WEDNESDAY

Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:05 pm

But it's only Tuesday!!!!!!!!!!!! :clap: :occasion5:

Re: NANTES BEING PAID ON WEDNESDAY

Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:09 pm

Welshman in CA wrote:But it's only Tuesday!!!!!!!!!!!! :clap: :occasion5:



you beat me to it!!!! :D Clearly the source was telling lies!! haha. :bluescarf: :bluescarf: :laughing6:

Re: NANTES BEING PAID ON WEDNESDAY

Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:15 pm

welshrarebit wrote:
Welshman in CA wrote:But it's only Tuesday!!!!!!!!!!!! :clap: :occasion5:



you beat me to it!!!! :D Clearly the source was telling lies!! haha. :bluescarf: :bluescarf: :laughing6:

Is it offical yet tho ?.