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Re: ' Potential Buyers '

Mon Oct 24, 2022 10:00 am

bluebird04 wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
bluebird04 wrote:I think it's time for us fans to actually do something rather than talk about wanting a new owner. Protests and voice our discontent with he board and ownership. So many other clubs have had bad owners and fans have voiced their anger and its gained media attention and sooner or later someone has bought them. But for some reason our fans haven't protested or voiced our anger other than say it on a forum message board



Just watched video after video and it hurts
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I think if there was an organised protest Annis, the media would pick it up, and it would be shown worldwide, Tan likes to think he's loved down here, if the media in malaysia show our fans saying we want him out, and stuff, it will hurt his ego. might then strongly consider actually selling up



Absolutely the right thing to do, VT hates negative publicity and wouold detract from the selling price of the club.
Are our supporters up for it?
The dwindling crowds and negative publicity created a change last time. ref the shirts.

Re: ' Potential Buyers '

Mon Oct 24, 2022 10:02 am

I don't think a protest is the right thing to do. The other club he got in Belgium tried it.... He still owns them.
If someone wants to buy us they will. Don't think protest when we are trying to get a new manager is a good move.

Re: Potential Buyers

Mon Oct 24, 2022 11:34 am

Paul Keevil wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:There are 3 potential buyers Paul as you know.

But Dalman wants £30mill, plus another £20mill owed to others, so there goes the bullshit its all Tan debt, plus Tan wants £60mill.

Then an owner has to put his money in, way way to much over all.


So VT values the club at £60m and recognises £50m owed to others

So how about VT sell the club to MD in recognition of the debt and then SH buy the club off MD for £60m

MD to buy the club you have got to be joking, I do not want the politician anywhere near the club :banghead:

Re: ' Potential Buyers '

Mon Oct 24, 2022 2:39 pm

Paul Keevil wrote:Whilst I am grateful that VT has got us through some tough times the fact remains that we are not progressing as a club and more likely to be posting in division 1 next season than the premier.

And for those who look at Belgium football will also see that Kortrijk are bottom of the Belgium league.

Two clubs. Lack of investment. Losing value. Owners losing interest. Falling down the football pyramid.

The worst thing is that it doesn't have to be that way. There are people, people with more money than VT, who are interested in buying the club. And not just buying the club creating a structure to turn us into a Premier league club again


Are you aware that no one will buy us ? If Tan goes Cardiff go bust its that simple.

Re: ' Potential Buyers '

Mon Oct 24, 2022 3:18 pm

robjohn wrote:
Paul Keevil wrote:Whilst I am grateful that VT has got us through some tough times the fact remains that we are not progressing as a club and more likely to be posting in division 1 next season than the premier.

And for those who look at Belgium football will also see that Kortrijk are bottom of the Belgium league.

Two clubs. Lack of investment. Losing value. Owners losing interest. Falling down the football pyramid.

The worst thing is that it doesn't have to be that way. There are people, people with more money than VT, who are interested in buying the club. And not just buying the club creating a structure to turn us into a Premier league club again


Are you aware that no one will buy us ? If Tan goes Cardiff go bust its that simple.

That's not true ,I can back annis up here,there are interested parties one is 100% doing due diligence.

Re: Potential Buyers

Mon Oct 24, 2022 3:24 pm

Igovernor wrote:
Paul Keevil wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:There are 3 potential buyers Paul as you know.

But Dalman wants £30mill, plus another £20mill owed to others, so there goes the bullshit its all Tan debt, plus Tan wants £60mill.

Then an owner has to put his money in, way way to much over all.


So VT values the club at £60m and recognises £50m owed to others

So how about VT sell the club to MD in recognition of the debt and then SH buy the club off MD for £60m

MD to buy the club you have got to be joking, I do not want the politician anywhere near the club :banghead:



Sounds like a bad dream md to sh ... :o

Re: ' Potential Buyers '

Mon Oct 24, 2022 4:22 pm

Bakedalasker wrote:
maccydee wrote:
Barclay1 wrote:And I'll stick my ten penneth in when im good and ready. Watching this board see the club in freefall, something I predicted three years ago is very sad.

There are fundamental flaws and issues with Cardiff City FC, my club, and it starts and ends with the board and Vincent Tan.

If you disagree and want to start up the abuse again towards me, then remember you are also disagreeing with a whole host of posters on this thread.

Ill wait until we have proper owners again before posting any further replies.


Simply won’t happen. You love it too much can’t stay away.

Everytime we have a bad result you will desperate to pile on.

How was today Tan’s fault apart from the fact that Tan ponied up the 1.5 million for Callum Robinson to sign for Cardiff.
Oh I forgot, he doesn’t spend any money.


That was not Tans money but from the drip off of the premier money he is using.


I know, I know.

The premier league money that Warnock brought in, and Malky before that and the relegations that were the fault of Tan.

Anything I missed?

Re: ' Potential Buyers '

Mon Oct 24, 2022 5:42 pm

The suggestion to sell to MD was a bit tongue in cheek

The issue we have is that MD is "allegedly" owed £30m and others owed £20m. Whether the money is owed by VT or CCFC is unclear

VT also wants £60m

Valuing a football club is not easy. Hull City were bought in January for £30m. Sheffield United were bought around the same time (as a championship side) for £115m

Our stadium, supporter base, Stadium and position in league more reflects Hull than Sheffield.

As others have said a club is only worth what others want to pay for it. VT wants £60m others do not want to pay that - therefore the club is not worth £60m

Re: ' Potential Buyers '

Mon Oct 24, 2022 6:09 pm

Paul Keevil wrote:The suggestion to sell to MD was a bit tongue in cheek

The issue we have is that MD is "allegedly" owed £30m and others owed £20m. Whether the money is owed by VT or CCFC is unclear

VT also wants £60m

Valuing a football club is not easy. Hull City were bought in January for £30m. Sheffield United were bought around the same time (as a championship side) for £115m

Our stadium, supporter base, Stadium and position in league more reflects Hull than Sheffield.

As others have said a club is only worth what others want to pay for it. VT wants £60m others do not want to pay that - therefore the club is not worth £60m


Not sure how you see it that way. Undervaluing us I think.

Bramall Lane is very old, our capacity is similar to that old lady Hull is 25k, two clubs in one city.

Granted position in the league but that can change very easily.

Re: ' Potential Buyers '

Mon Oct 24, 2022 6:25 pm

Paul Keevil wrote:The suggestion to sell to MD was a bit tongue in cheek

The issue we have is that MD is "allegedly" owed £30m and others owed £20m. Whether the money is owed by VT or CCFC is unclear

VT also wants £60m

Valuing a football club is not easy. Hull City were bought in January for £30m. Sheffield United were bought around the same time (as a championship side) for £115m

Our stadium, supporter base, Stadium and position in league more reflects Hull than Sheffield.

As others have said a club is only worth what others want to pay for it. VT wants £60m others do not want to pay that - therefore the club is not worth £60m

Hull don't own there stadium its council but Sheffield do that'd the difference, Derby overall package around 80 million. Not sure where the 60 million figure has come from but I suspect its a lot more than that .

Re: ' Potential Buyers '

Mon Oct 24, 2022 7:32 pm

wez1927 wrote:
Paul Keevil wrote:The suggestion to sell to MD was a bit tongue in cheek

The issue we have is that MD is "allegedly" owed £30m and others owed £20m. Whether the money is owed by VT or CCFC is unclear

VT also wants £60m

Valuing a football club is not easy. Hull City were bought in January for £30m. Sheffield United were bought around the same time (as a championship side) for £115m

Our stadium, supporter base, Stadium and position in league more reflects Hull than Sheffield.

As others have said a club is only worth what others want to pay for it. VT wants £60m others do not want to pay that - therefore the club is not worth £60m

Hull don't own there stadium its council but Sheffield do that'd the difference, Derby overall package around 80 million. Not sure where the 60 million figure has come from but I suspect its a lot more than that .



Wez derby was sold in two parts club then ground beare in mind ot was at cheap rate because of administration.. was around 80m but that was undervalued due to administration.. city is more difficult to value but besides cost of ground theres the training facilities which are a collaboration of different entities like university.... to buy city would cost minimum £80m plus any debt that needs to be paid and looks like 20m+ to Dalman so anyone buying club must be looking at minimum 100m..... its simply not right to say its worth what people will pay as it must be valued otherwise get silly offers ....

Re: ' Potential Buyers '

Mon Oct 24, 2022 8:03 pm

pembroke allan wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
Paul Keevil wrote:The suggestion to sell to MD was a bit tongue in cheek

The issue we have is that MD is "allegedly" owed £30m and others owed £20m. Whether the money is owed by VT or CCFC is unclear

VT also wants £60m

Valuing a football club is not easy. Hull City were bought in January for £30m. Sheffield United were bought around the same time (as a championship side) for £115m

Our stadium, supporter base, Stadium and position in league more reflects Hull than Sheffield.

As others have said a club is only worth what others want to pay for it. VT wants £60m others do not want to pay that - therefore the club is not worth £60m

Hull don't own there stadium its council but Sheffield do that'd the difference, Derby overall package around 80 million. Not sure where the 60 million figure has come from but I suspect its a lot more than that .



Wez derby was sold in two parts club then ground beare in mind ot was at cheap rate because of administration.. was around 80m but that was undervalued due to administration.. city is more difficult to value but besides cost of ground theres the training facilities which are a collaboration of different entities like university.... to buy city would cost minimum £80m plus any debt that needs to be paid and looks like 20m+ to Dalman so anyone buying club must be looking at minimum 100m..... its simply not right to say its worth what people will pay as it must be valued otherwise get silly offers ....

I agree with you people saying 40 - 60 million are well off the mark.

Re: ' Potential Buyers '

Mon Oct 24, 2022 8:39 pm

wez1927 wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
Paul Keevil wrote:The suggestion to sell to MD was a bit tongue in cheek

The issue we have is that MD is "allegedly" owed £30m and others owed £20m. Whether the money is owed by VT or CCFC is unclear

VT also wants £60m

Valuing a football club is not easy. Hull City were bought in January for £30m. Sheffield United were bought around the same time (as a championship side) for £115m

Our stadium, supporter base, Stadium and position in league more reflects Hull than Sheffield.

As others have said a club is only worth what others want to pay for it. VT wants £60m others do not want to pay that - therefore the club is not worth £60m

Hull don't own there stadium its council but Sheffield do that'd the difference, Derby overall package around 80 million. Not sure where the 60 million figure has come from but I suspect its a lot more than that .



Wez derby was sold in two parts club then ground beare in mind ot was at cheap rate because of administration.. was around 80m but that was undervalued due to administration.. city is more difficult to value but besides cost of ground theres the training facilities which are a collaboration of different entities like university.... to buy city would cost minimum £80m plus any debt that needs to be paid and looks like 20m+ to Dalman so anyone buying club must be looking at minimum 100m..... its simply not right to say its worth what people will pay as it must be valued otherwise get silly offers ....

I agree with you people saying 40 - 60 million are well off the mark.


Yep, just completely bonkers for anyone to think it’s £40-60 million.

Minimum £100m and probably more than that. Anyone saying otherwise is just wishful thinking or someone trying to knock the price down.

Tan and the accountants will know the minimum figure and, so far, nobody has got anywhere near it !!

So let’s just stop playing silly b^##^]s and if there are realistic buyers who have that money let them make a bid. If people haven’t got that money then it simply isn’t going to happen.

Re: ' Potential Buyers '

Mon Oct 24, 2022 8:42 pm

wez1927 wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
Paul Keevil wrote:The suggestion to sell to MD was a bit tongue in cheek

The issue we have is that MD is "allegedly" owed £30m and others owed £20m. Whether the money is owed by VT or CCFC is unclear

VT also wants £60m

Valuing a football club is not easy. Hull City were bought in January for £30m. Sheffield United were bought around the same time (as a championship side) for £115m

Our stadium, supporter base, Stadium and position in league more reflects Hull than Sheffield.

As others have said a club is only worth what others want to pay for it. VT wants £60m others do not want to pay that - therefore the club is not worth £60m

Hull don't own there stadium its council but Sheffield do that'd the difference, Derby overall package around 80 million. Not sure where the 60 million figure has come from but I suspect its a lot more than that .



Wez derby was sold in two parts club then ground beare in mind ot was at cheap rate because of administration.. was around 80m but that was undervalued due to administration.. city is more difficult to value but besides cost of ground theres the training facilities which are a collaboration of different entities like university.... to buy city would cost minimum £80m plus any debt that needs to be paid and looks like 20m+ to Dalman so anyone buying club must be looking at minimum 100m..... its simply not right to say its worth what people will pay as it must be valued otherwise get silly offers ....

I agree with you people saying 40 - 60 million are well off the mark.



Wez of you believe what's said on here Dalman is owed £20m plus another £10m for something else... stadium worth £50m + not sure about llanrumney ect as we are in partnership with university and council? So £80m before anything else taken into consideration.. simply cannot buy club without buying ground with assets and debts.... what tan is owed and wants are big thing in the sale of club.... bit like selling a farm you buy the house the land outbuildings and animals all have a value... so be surprised if club not valued above 60m with 30m+ in debts to add onto that.

Re: ' Potential Buyers '

Mon Oct 24, 2022 8:45 pm

Dalman blowing millions with Tan is living proof that money doesn’t buy success. We dint need massive investment, we just need some people who have a clue how to run a club. Think the jacks have money? Do Burnely? Brentford? Norwich? Sheff utd? They have people in that know what they are doing so they don’t need to waste 50 million getting from a to b.
It’s pointless saying how much money Tan has, he’s clueless, he’s failed. Two promotions yes but hardly great days after….pretty grim in fact.

Re: ' Potential Buyers '

Mon Oct 24, 2022 11:41 pm

goats wrote:Dalman blowing millions with Tan is living proof that money doesn’t buy success. We dint need massive investment, we just need some people who have a clue how to run a club. Think the jacks have money? Do Burnely? Brentford? Norwich? Sheff utd? They have people in that know what they are doing so they don’t need to waste 50 million getting from a to b.
It’s pointless saying how much money Tan has, he’s clueless, he’s failed. Two promotions yes but hardly great days after….pretty grim in fact.



It's been said over and over dont need money to succeed initially just a good manager yo get it right on field... but whoever wants to buy club needs to stump up something in region of £80m+ unquestionably. It's not about what its worth its about the proper valuation of club and assets and debt