‘ Drakeford overeaction to omnicom strain ‘

Let's prey he fecks up the man is a second rate politician who luckily was given a platform because of Covid careful old-age population with a reliance on public service safe jobs that is anti English / Tor, Labour obsessed Wales voters .

Dripford has run the health service in wales so badly the worse ambulance service and waiting lists in the uk thats why we would be overun at the slightest problem so have to shut down straight away
But we give people who don' t want to work a one off payment for xmas from this labour goverment and spending on silly things like gender identity surveys etc and you cannot get an ambulance to arrive in an emergency in 3 hours or in the case of my neigbours son with a broken leg on a football pitch waited 6 hours
Get the basics right first.

Totally agree the wag couldn't run a piss up in a brewery

Dripford has run the health service in wales so badly the worse ambulance service and waiting lists in the uk thats why we would be overun at the slightest problem so have to shut down straight away
But we give people who don' t want to work a one off payment for xmas from this labour goverment and spending on silly things like gender identity surveys etc and you cannot get an ambulance to arrive in an emergency in 3 hours or in the case of my neigbours son with a broken leg on a football pitch waited 6 hours
Get the basics right first.

Don't forget we're all going to get a free tree from our generous WAG!

I've got a few ideas about where to stick it.

Watching him on tv tonight - he’s a total embarrassment and he’s making Wales a laughing stock.

All because those one eyed nationalists voted for the lamentable Assembly.

Watching him on tv tonight - he’s a total embarrassment and he’s making Wales a laughing stock.

All because those one eyed nationalists voted for the lamentable Assembly.

Let's get one 'myth' out of the way...

The number of 'one-eyed nationalists' in Wales is actually pretty low and most people align themselves to UK politics rather than those of WAG. If not, Plaid Cymru would be much more representative than they actually are...

It was a close call on both occasions the question of WAG existing was put to the people and a further vote (not likely) would pretty much see its end, as it simply doesn't work in the way it was intended

I'm not a 'fan' of WAG, Mark Drakeford, Vaughan Gething or the Labour Party at large in Wales but what would you genuinely have him do?

He is literally in a 'no win' situation; damned if he does and damned if he doesn't

I tend to stay away from the Covid debate on this Forum, as it seems to be a simple divide between those who care enough to go with the science and those who simply want show their defiance

But here's one for the doubters...

I returned from a trip to the United States last weekend and had to jump through all the prescribed 'hoops' just to get on the plane either way. My partner and I were inseparable during the trip (other than to use the bathroom facilities) and went everywhere together

On the flight home, having passed the required and observed LFT the day before, my partner started to feel ill. By the following evening she was being violently sick, failed an LFT in the morning and a subsequent PCR later that day

She is now Covid for the second time, despite having had both vaccines

I passed my own LFT, PCR on the same day and then another on the following day (the legally required 2 day PCR)

Facilities apart, the only difference between us was that I had had my 'booster' but she had not before we travelled

It has been confirmed as the Omicron strain and it was also suggested (not confirmed) it was 'likely' that I didn't get it because I'd had the 'booster'

I'll leave it up to others to decide on whether vaccines help or not (too many on the subject 'want' to believe they don't) but I know what I believe under the circumstances I have recently encountered

Watching him on tv tonight - he’s a total embarrassment and he’s making Wales a laughing stock.

All because those one eyed nationalists voted for the lamentable Assembly.

Let's get one 'myth' out of the way...

The number of 'one-eyed nationalists' in Wales is actually pretty low and most people align themselves to UK politics rather than those of WAG. If not, Plaid Cymru would be much more representative than they actually are...

It was a close call on both occasions the question of WAG existing was put to the people and a further vote (not likely) would pretty much see its end, as it simply doesn't work in the way it was intended

I'm not a 'fan' of WAG, Mark Drakeford, Vaughan Gething or the Labour Party at large in Wales but what would you genuinely have him do?

He is literally in a 'no win' situation; damned if he does and damned if he doesn't

I tend to stay away from the Covid debate on this Forum, as it seems to be a simple divide between those who care enough to go with the science and those who simply want show their defiance

But here's one for the doubters...

I returned from a trip to the United States last weekend and had to jump through all the prescribed 'hoops' just to get on the plane either way. My partner and I were inseparable during the trip (other than to use the bathroom facilities) and went everywhere together

On the flight home, having passed the required and observed LFT the day before, my partner started to feel ill. By the following evening she was being violently sick, failed an LFT in the morning and a subsequent PCR later that day

She is now Covid for the second time, despite having had both vaccines

I passed my own LFT, PCR on the same day and then another on the following day (the legally required 2 day PCR)

Facilities apart, the only difference between us was that I had had my 'booster' but she had not before we travelled

It has been confirmed as the Omicron strain and it was also suggested (not confirmed) it was 'likely' that I didn't get it because I'd had the 'booster'

I'll leave it up to others to decide on whether vaccines help or not (too many on the subject 'want' to believe they don't) but I know what I believe under the circumstances I have recently encountered

I concur but watch out for the flack

Watching him on tv tonight - he’s a total embarrassment and he’s making Wales a laughing stock.

All because those one eyed nationalists voted for the lamentable Assembly.

Let's get one 'myth' out of the way...

The number of 'one-eyed nationalists' in Wales is actually pretty low and most people align themselves to UK politics rather than those of WAG. If not, Plaid Cymru would be much more representative than they actually are...

It was a close call on both occasions the question of WAG existing was put to the people and a further vote (not likely) would pretty much see its end, as it simply doesn't work in the way it was intended

I'm not a 'fan' of WAG, Mark Drakeford, Vaughan Gething or the Labour Party at large in Wales but what would you genuinely have him do?

He is literally in a 'no win' situation; damned if he does and damned if he doesn't

I tend to stay away from the Covid debate on this Forum, as it seems to be a simple divide between those who care enough to go with the science and those who simply want show their defiance

But here's one for the doubters...

I returned from a trip to the United States last weekend and had to jump through all the prescribed 'hoops' just to get on the plane either way. My partner and I were inseparable during the trip (other than to use the bathroom facilities) and went everywhere together

On the flight home, having passed the required and observed LFT the day before, my partner started to feel ill. By the following evening she was being violently sick, failed an LFT in the morning and a subsequent PCR later that day

She is now Covid for the second time, despite having had both vaccines

I passed my own LFT, PCR on the same day and then another on the following day (the legally required 2 day PCR)

Facilities apart, the only difference between us was that I had had my 'booster' but she had not before we travelled

It has been confirmed as the Omicron strain and it was also suggested (not confirmed) it was 'likely' that I didn't get it because I'd had the 'booster'

I'll leave it up to others to decide on whether vaccines help or not (too many on the subject 'want' to believe they don't) but I know what I believe under the circumstances I have recently encountered

I concur but watch out for the flack

Karl, flack is my middle name to some on here but I care not. It just shows them to be the small-minded people I believe them to be

You stay safe and have a great Christmas

As the one who started this thread & commented again yesterday i still think Drakeford has overreacted...indeed with the benefit of hindsight he has TOTALLY overreacted
As i said in my opening post the South African health ministry(where omnicron comes from) said the new strain is very very mild with symptoms akin to the common cold..and total recoverey within 5 days.
Watching news at ten earlier there have been 3 seperate studies in uk so far as to how severe the new variant is( they vary between 40-75 pc less severe depending on the study)..so the bottom line is ..coupled with the south african experience its less severe.
so the politicians had to make a choice
The uk government on one hand knew this varient will sweep the country but that in south africxa it was mild and didnt swamp their health system..so logically shouldnt swamp our health system either ..so no drastic changes yet in England but just advice to be more cautious.
On the other hand Drakeford decided to go down a seperate route...ignoring the evidence of thouasnds of cases in south Africa and re impose huge restrictions on our way of life and personal liberties..
As i said in my original post Drakeford has overreacted...totally.. and i think hes now just on a power trip being able to impose restrictions to our liberties at will.
For the record ive been a labour party member & activist for most of my life and a strong supporter of the senydd/welsh govt..im 61 now but given Drakefords restrictions on my personal freedom will never again vote for him/labour again

As the one who started this thread & commented again yesterday i still think Drakeford has overreacted...indeed with the benefit of hindsight he has TOTALLY overreacted
As i said in my opening post the South African health ministry(where omnicron comes from) said the new strain is very very mild with symptoms akin to the common cold..and total recoverey within 5 days.
Watching news at ten earlier there have been 3 seperate studies in uk so far as to how severe the new variant is( they vary between 40-75 pc less severe depending on the study)..so the bottom line is ..coupled with the south african experience its less severe.
so the politicians had to make a choice
The uk government on one hand knew this varient will sweep the country but that in south africxa it was mild and didnt swamp their health system..so logically shouldnt swamp our health system either ..so no drastic changes yet in England but just advice to be more cautious.
On the other hand Drakeford decided to go down a seperate route...ignoring the evidence of thouasnds of cases in south Africa and re impose huge restrictions on our way of life and personal liberties..
As i said in my original post Drakeford has overreacted...totally.. and i think hes now just on a power trip being able to impose restrictions to our liberties at will.
For the record ive been a labour party member & activist for most of my life and a strong supporter of the senydd/welsh govt..im 61 now but given Drakefords restrictions on my personal freedom will never again vote for him/labour again

It’s too early to tell if he has overreacted - and too early to tell if Boris has been slow to react.

As someone who lives in the south of England it it is interesting to hear and see others not impacted by Welsh politics everyday (including some journos), give Drakeford credit for the clarity and decisiveness he showed today…something Boris has always struggled to do.

It’s becoming clearer that Omicron is milder - but SA are in the middle of their summer when indoor mixing would be expected to be lower. For us here, without interventions the spread would be so quick that the sheer number of people getting it would cause problems for the health service. I barley knew anyone over the last 18 months who got COVID, but I have spoken to 10 people in the last fortnight who have it.

Personally I think the rules announced today are proportionate and actually have very little impact on peoples liberty - can still go to peoples houses with no real limits on numbers, still go shopping, still go to pubs, restaurants, still use the gym, kids still in school etc. The biggest shut down I can see if playing sport behind closed doors - but that has little impact for us for a few weeks with COVID in the squad, away games and an FA Cup tie that never get more that a few thousand. However I do wonder if he could have been more creative by allowing 50% of ST holders (rotated by game) in as surely there would be enough space to do that.

As the one who started this thread & commented again yesterday i still think Drakeford has overreacted...indeed with the benefit of hindsight he has TOTALLY overreacted
As i said in my opening post the South African health ministry(where omnicron comes from) said the new strain is very very mild with symptoms akin to the common cold..and total recoverey within 5 days.
Watching news at ten earlier there have been 3 seperate studies in uk so far as to how severe the new variant is( they vary between 40-75 pc less severe depending on the study)..so the bottom line is ..coupled with the south african experience its less severe.
so the politicians had to make a choice
The uk government on one hand knew this varient will sweep the country but that in south africxa it was mild and didnt swamp their health system..so logically shouldnt swamp our health system either ..so no drastic changes yet in England but just advice to be more cautious.
On the other hand Drakeford decided to go down a seperate route...ignoring the evidence of thouasnds of cases in south Africa and re impose huge restrictions on our way of life and personal liberties..
As i said in my original post Drakeford has overreacted...totally.. and i think hes now just on a power trip being able to impose restrictions to our liberties at will.
For the record ive been a labour party member & activist for most of my life and a strong supporter of the senydd/welsh govt..im 61 now but given Drakefords restrictions on my personal freedom will never again vote for him/labour again

Out of interest do you think that the Government's of Austria, Germany, France, Portugal, Spain, Netherlands, Ireland, Scotland, Northern Ireland and others have also overreacted?
It would be fantastic if omicron doesn't make the proportion of people who get it seriously ill, but if thousands more get it each day than alpha or delta, then there will still be big numbers going to hospital. There also will be less people to treat them.
The results of these studies are encouraging but it's still too early to be sure.
Or is it just because you can't go to the football here, but can on the other side of the bridge?

Let's prey he fecks up the man is a second rate politician who luckily was given a platform because of Covid careful old-age population with a reliance on public service safe jobs that is anti English / Tor, Labour obsessed Wales voters .

Why on Earth prey he fucks up? That would presumably mean more deaths, job losses, economic issues and suffering for the people of Wales. Just so you can say “ha told you so” online?

I didn’t vote for Brexit and I didn’t vote for the Tories but I certainly don’t want either to f**k up. I’d prefer to be proven wrong and have my life improved by either rather than being able to act smug if my life and the lives of my friends and family gets worse.

DRAKEFORD EXPLAINS WHY FANS CAN WATCH IN A PUB NOT AT STADIUMS


Thursday 23rd December 2021



First Minister Mark Drakeford has explained why Welsh sporting fans will be able to watch matches on TV in a pub after Christmas, but won't actually be able to attend fixtures within stadiums.

The Welsh Government announced on Tuesday that all sporting matches in Wales from Boxing Day would be played behind closed doors in an effort to stop the rising number of Omicron variant cases.

The news came as a significant blow to Wales' professional and grassroots sporting outfits - with one of the busiest times of the year now set to be hindered without the revenue that ticket sales would bring. The grassroots game in Wales has been appeased slightly by Wednesday's announcement that up to 50 spectators can now attend team sport fixtures from Boxing Day, but the professional sides will still be running out to empty stadiums.

While the Welsh Government has moved to put in place tougher restrictions on pubs, restaurants and other areas of hospitality, the fact remains that Welsh sporting fans who are not allowed to attend matches in person are still able to watch it on TV in pubs.


Fans can't go to matches at the moment:



As such, the question was put to Mark Drakeford why crowds were not reduced in the first instance - as has been the case in Scotland - rather than immediately moving to a blanket ban on spectators.





MARK DRAKEFORD:


"It is true that [in] Scotland 500 people are allowed to go see a match," he said.

"But that effectively means those matches won't go ahead with a crowd. 500 people would go nowhere near to making those commercially sustainable for clubs.

"There are a number of points in that question. I think rugby and football clubs have worked very hard to keep things safe during the Delta period.

"But we are concerned not by how people behave at the ground, but the various other pinch points.

"How people travel to them, how people come and go from them, how people act in hospitality around them. There are risks there that we do not need to run. Given there will be thousands of cases by the time we get after Christmas, those risks are absolutely real.

"Those risks are very different if you are in a venue with far, far fewer people and with all the additional protections we have announced today.

"Yes, you will be able to be in a pub with the new protections in place and watch a game on television, but you won't be there with 21,000 other people sharing the same space with you, trying to get in and out of the ground at the same time.

"The circumstances are not comparable in that way and that's why we've treated them differently in the regulations I have announced today."

As the one who started this thread & commented again yesterday i still think Drakeford has overreacted...indeed with the benefit of hindsight he has TOTALLY overreacted
As i said in my opening post the South African health ministry(where omnicron comes from) said the new strain is very very mild with symptoms akin to the common cold..and total recoverey within 5 days.
Watching news at ten earlier there have been 3 seperate studies in uk so far as to how severe the new variant is( they vary between 40-75 pc less severe depending on the study)..so the bottom line is ..coupled with the south african experience its less severe.
so the politicians had to make a choice
The uk government on one hand knew this varient will sweep the country but that in south africxa it was mild and didnt swamp their health system..so logically shouldnt swamp our health system either ..so no drastic changes yet in England but just advice to be more cautious.
On the other hand Drakeford decided to go down a seperate route...ignoring the evidence of thouasnds of cases in south Africa and re impose huge restrictions on our way of life and personal liberties..
As i said in my original post Drakeford has overreacted...totally.. and i think hes now just on a power trip being able to impose restrictions to our liberties at will.
For the record ive been a labour party member & activist for most of my life and a strong supporter of the senydd/welsh govt..im 61 now but given Drakefords restrictions on my personal freedom will never again vote for him/labour again

I think they realise they've overreacted and could have damaged the economy unnecessarily, especially with further evidence that Omicron is much milder probably 75% less likely to hospitalise people, now it's the NHS will struggle because so many staff will be off work.

Boris would have done exactly the same if he wasn't being bullied by his back benchers. The South African evidence is usless when you realise the average age of their population is less than half of ours.

Not only would Boris have done the same, I think you'll find that he will do the same and announce it on Thursday or Friday when there will be absolutely no option.

The Premier League know that too, that's why they haven't cancelled the program of games because if the Government make that decision they're in a better position in negotiating with the broadcasters.

The problem is that actually, Boris should have made the decision, that Drakeford made yesterday, a week or so ago because England is about 7-10 days ahead of Wales in terms of Omnicron variant. At least the pubs and businesses in Wales can now make plans for the new guidelines as he's already outlined some of the likely measures like table service, groups of 6, etc.

Then, if they do deliver on everyone being offered a booster by end of December, they can, hopefully, look to ease again quite quickly maybe even half way through January.

You can't compare England have massive numbers and have held firm, Wales have miniscule numbers and are in a total state of panic, it's because our NHS is fragile and and England's is a lot more resilient and runs at lower capacity!

Same with Scotland’s too

Drakeford has said he can't guarantee the six nations, won't be played behind closed doors. That's not till February

Drakeford has said he can't guarantee the six nations, won't be played behind closed doors. That's not till February

No surprise really.

Throughout the pandemic the WAG and Drakeford have kept restrictions in place longer than the other countries in the UK and will continue to do so.

I notice that no questions have been asked of Drakeford as to when if it all he would feel it safe to remove the current restrictions and will he repeal the new laws regarding working from home and the numbers who can gather indoors etc.

I would imagine that as they are now on the statute book they will remain there indefinitely "just in case"

The approach of WAG has been consistent throughout - bring in restrictions as quickly as possible (overnight in some cases) and then take months and months to lift them.

Drakeford has said he can't guarantee the six nations, won't be played behind closed doors. That's not till February

Nobody thinks he a bigger knob than me but tbf to him he’d be a fool to guarantee anything as you can only lose on that.

Let's prey he fecks up the man is a second rate politician who luckily was given a platform because of Covid careful old-age population with a reliance on public service safe jobs that is anti English / Tor, Labour obsessed Wales voters .

Why on Earth prey he fucks up? That would presumably mean more deaths, job losses, economic issues and suffering for the people of Wales. Just so you can say “ha told you so” online?

I didn’t vote for Brexit and I didn’t vote for the Tories but I certainly don’t want either to f**k up. I’d prefer to be proven wrong and have my life improved by either rather than being able to act smug if my life and the lives of my friends and family gets worse.

Spot on.

As the experts have said themselves rich nations cant 'boost' themselves out of this. Its a global pandemic not an epidemic and the sooner people realise that the better.

Omicron and other variants are just going to keep coming out of other continents like Africa as in this case until the whole world has some sort of grip on it and the World is on a level playing field.

For that reason, and as a double jabbed person who's also had Covid iv turned down my booster and asked for it to be sent to a country that needs it, sadly I know thats unlikely to happen

Whether drippy is right or wrong regarding restrictions I don't know. But last winter during lockdown, you could go to a supermarket and buy you booze and fags and other non essentials, but you couldn't buy a warm coat or a pair of shoes. Then he said the pubs could open but couldn't sell alcohol, this time round he wants to fine people for going to work. What dictatorship anywhere in the world wants to fine people for going to work FFS?

Drakeford has said he can't guarantee the six nations, won't be played behind closed doors. That's not till February

It's a politicians answer. They won't commit to anything that a journalist is just trying to get a headline from.

As the experts have said themselves rich nations cant 'boost' themselves out of this. Its a global pandemic not an epidemic and the sooner people realise that the better.

Omicron and other variants are just going to keep coming out of other continents like Africa as in this case until the whole world has some sort of grip on it and the World is on a level playing field.

For that reason, and as a double jabbed person who's also had Covid iv turned down my booster and asked for it to be sent to a country that needs it, sadly I know thats unlikely to happen

Over 1m jabs in Nigeria binned because past use by date. Africa’s still tribal there’s massive vaccine hesitancy there.

Whether drippy is right or wrong regarding restrictions I don't know. But last winter during lockdown, you could go to a supermarket and buy you booze and fags and other non essentials, but you couldn't buy a warm coat or a pair of shoes. Then he said the pubs could open but couldn't sell alcohol, this time round he wants to fine people for going to work. What dictatorship anywhere in the world wants to fine people for going to work FFS?

Nobody is going to get fined for going to work but the fines are only in place if you can’t work from home - so by definition this is basically only people that can work on laptops quite easily.

Builders, plumbers, shop workers, can drivers, front line workers, factory workers etc are all still totally able to go to work without any fear of being fined.

Even those who are office based could go in with a good reason - loneliness, mental health etc.

For me these regulations just create a heightened a sense of caution rather than taking us back to where we were before. That’s not a bad thing and feels a reasonable balance whilst this variant is still being figured out.

As the experts have said themselves rich nations cant 'boost' themselves out of this. Its a global pandemic not an epidemic and the sooner people realise that the better.

Omicron and other variants are just going to keep coming out of other continents like Africa as in this case until the whole world has some sort of grip on it and the World is on a level playing field.

For that reason, and as a double jabbed person who's also had Covid iv turned down my booster and asked for it to be sent to a country that needs it, sadly I know thats unlikely to happen

Over 1m jabs in Nigeria binned because past use by date. Africa’s still tribal there’s massive vaccine hesitancy there.

Can you blame them?

The media influenced by Europe and America has done such a hatchet job on the AZ vaccine they are bound to be hesitant. That’s primarily the jab being used in Africa.

Blood on their hands.

Let's prey he fecks up the man is a second rate politician who luckily was given a platform because of Covid careful old-age population with a reliance on public service safe jobs that is anti English / Tor, Labour obsessed Wales voters .

Why on Earth prey he fucks up? That would presumably mean more deaths, job losses, economic issues and suffering for the people of Wales. Just so you can say “ha told you so” online?

I didn’t vote for Brexit and I didn’t vote for the Tories but I certainly don’t want either to f**k up. I’d prefer to be proven wrong and have my life improved by either rather than being able to act smug if my life and the lives of my friends and family gets worse.

Welcome to the world of New Day Rising...!

Nonsensical 'look at me, I'm trying to be different' responses in most of his/her posts

Wish they would be straight with people they have just said on tv 100 hospitalization s from omicron 100 but nearly 5,6 000 staff off well most of those are from delta variant and unvacinated in hospital

Wish they would be straight with people they have just said on tv 100 hospitalization s from omicron 100 but nearly 5,6 000 staff off well most of those are from delta variant and unvacinated in hospital

Monty, you make a good point

A large part of the currentbissue is the numbers off staff off work with Omicron rather than the numbers of patients. It's a vicious circle...

DRAKEFORD EXPLAINS WHY FANS CAN WATCH IN A PUB NOT AT STADIUMS


Thursday 23rd December 2021



First Minister Mark Drakeford has explained why Welsh sporting fans will be able to watch matches on TV in a pub after Christmas, but won't actually be able to attend fixtures within stadiums.

The Welsh Government announced on Tuesday that all sporting matches in Wales from Boxing Day would be played behind closed doors in an effort to stop the rising number of Omicron variant cases.

The news came as a significant blow to Wales' professional and grassroots sporting outfits - with one of the busiest times of the year now set to be hindered without the revenue that ticket sales would bring. The grassroots game in Wales has been appeased slightly by Wednesday's announcement that up to 50 spectators can now attend team sport fixtures from Boxing Day, but the professional sides will still be running out to empty stadiums.

While the Welsh Government has moved to put in place tougher restrictions on pubs, restaurants and other areas of hospitality, the fact remains that Welsh sporting fans who are not allowed to attend matches in person are still able to watch it on TV in pubs.


Fans can't go to matches at the moment:



As such, the question was put to Mark Drakeford why crowds were not reduced in the first instance - as has been the case in Scotland - rather than immediately moving to a blanket ban on spectators.





MARK DRAKEFORD:


"It is true that [in] Scotland 500 people are allowed to go see a match," he said.

"But that effectively means those matches won't go ahead with a crowd. 500 people would go nowhere near to making those commercially sustainable for clubs.

"There are a number of points in that question. I think rugby and football clubs have worked very hard to keep things safe during the Delta period.

"But we are concerned not by how people behave at the ground, but the various other pinch points.

"How people travel to them, how people come and go from them, how people act in hospitality around them. There are risks there that we do not need to run. Given there will be thousands of cases by the time we get after Christmas, those risks are absolutely real.

"Those risks are very different if you are in a venue with far, far fewer people and with all the additional protections we have announced today.

"Yes, you will be able to be in a pub with the new protections in place and watch a game on television, but you won't be there with 21,000 other people sharing the same space with you, trying to get in and out of the ground at the same time.

"The circumstances are not comparable in that way and that's why we've treated them differently in the regulations I have announced today."

In my opinion some of the answers he has given there only prove the man is both commercially illiterate and a charlatan.

To claim that 500 supporters in a ground is unsustainable is he suggesting that NO fans is. Pubs are indoor settings and in my opinion unless they have excellent ventilation systems will always carry a higher risk of transmission of the virus than 12-15,000 socially distanced fans in the Cardiff City stadium.

I notice he has decided to say that these new measures offer "Additional Protections" really for me that's bollocks as the very best they can offer is to reduce the risk. The top experts not just in this country but the world ALL say the best protection is the vaccine. Remember with Drakeford after his "Firebreak Lockdown" last year he introduced the group of 6 meeting in hospitality settings and how well did that go. It was a huge mistake and went a long way to undoing anything gained from the firebreak, 12 months on talk about deja vue.

Of course this year unlike last year you have to factor the vaccines into any decision and here Drakeford is saying the protection offered by the vaccines is not good enough. Not good enough for 21,000 fans travelling to a football match perhaps he should leave his garden shed and visit St Davids centre.

For me his "Additional Protections" are difference for difference sake and have more to do with petty politics than public health.

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As the original poster of this thread a few days ago,.. i have repeated my point daily that Drakeford has completely overreacted to the new strain..as the days go in it becomes more & more apparent from the evidence of ALL studies that it is far far less serious than any other varient..as ive said previous its similar to the common cold (as the south african health ministry told us with the benefit of being able to analyze the thousands of cases they had already of the new omnicron variant)
Drakeford choose to ignore their findings and once again imposed huge restrictions on our personal freedoms & liberties.."just in case the south africans were wrong"
I understand others will have completely opposing views and indeed one poster mentioned the other 9 European countries that have imposed similar restrictions to Drakeford so " he cant really be singled out"..i would says ok but what about the other 30 plus European countries that havent overreacted like Drakeford...the politicians decide; some make the right call others dont.
One poster mentioned all i care about is not being able to attend a football match...the whole thing goes far far deeper than this.. its restrictions on our whole way of life we can only do what the state permits us to do and nothing else..and dont even start on the impact this is having on our kids/schools the future of our country.
As ive said previously we are going to have to live with covid & all its many srains which will inevitably develop for many years to come its not going to go away..
If you look at the death rate for this new variant then its actually less than for the flu in a bad year...every year there 20k plus deaths from flu & significantly more in a bad year but we live with the flu..with vaccines for the vulnerable and society carries on as normal..similarly we are going to have to live with covid in the same way now and for many years to come.
As ive said in the title Drakeford is overreacting.