BREAKING NEWS: CITY UNDER TRANSFER EMBARGO AGAIN

For whatever the reasons for this, why are not the welsh media asking questions of our chairman?

I would think because it is a non story, storm in a teacup, I am surprised though walesonline are not spouting off.
Lots of clubs are going to have this problem with cashflow and ours is no different!

Rog, they are spouting off about lots of other things probably hit their radar over the weekend!

To true Karl

Nothing on efl site mentions other clubs but not Cardiff

https://www.efl.com/-more/governance/embargoes/

I doubt Tan is still a billionaire anymore. Moore will be sold no it would seem

I don't think Tan was ever a billionaire. I remember reading the Sunday Times rich list a few years ago and they reckoned he was worth somewhere in the region of £700 million.Very rich but not a billionaire in UK currency. Obviously this was well before covid which will have affected his wealth considerably as much of it is in the leisure sector.

Is it true that this embargo does not affect free transfers and loans? If this is the case it might not affect us at all as. I don't think we actually ever were going to buy anyone for money in this window.

Yes We can still sign free agents and loan players

Annis I have misunderstood the rules, if under a transfer embargo you can still sign players who are not registered, but if they are registered with another club, a loan is possible but the parent club has to pay all their wages, I cannot see any club doing that, so it would only be unregistered players. This embargo will be off very soon, not going to effect us signing players just a slight delay

loan players.....clubs cannot pay loan fees.....or make additional payments on top of the salary the player gets at his parent club.... it doesnt mean you cannot pay his wage just you cannot pay more than his wage....

I doubt Tan is still a billionaire anymore. Moore will be sold no it would seem

I don't think Tan was ever a billionaire. I remember reading the Sunday Times rich list a few years ago and they reckoned he was worth somewhere in the region of £700 million.Very rich but not a billionaire in UK currency. Obviously this was well before covid which will have affected his wealth considerably as much of it is in the leisure sector.

Is it true that this embargo does not affect free transfers and loans? If this is the case it might not affect us at all as. I don't think we actually ever were going to buy anyone for money in this window.

Yes We can still sign free agents and loan players

Annis I have misunderstood the rules, if under a transfer embargo you can still sign players who are not registered, but if they are registered with another club, a loan is possible but the parent club has to pay all their wages, I cannot see any club doing that, so it would only be unregistered players. This embargo will be off very soon, not going to effect us signing players just a slight delay

loan players.....clubs cannot pay loan fees.....or make additional payments on top of the salary the player gets at his parent club.... it doesnt mean you cannot pay his wage just you cannot pay more than his wage....

Not my understanding of it the club he is being loaned to are not allowed to pay any wages the parent club has to pay them all.
If I am wrong perhaps you can show me the efl rule on it as all I can find is the loaning club must pay all of the players wages?

Still do you think any club are going to pay a players full wages and let them go on loan, just what have they got to gain, nothing would be my view, that is my point

Nothing on efl site mentions other clubs but not Cardiff

https://www.efl.com/-more/governance/embargoes/

It certainly does click on championship in your link, there we are top of the list

Approaching midday and early evening in malaysia.
Yet no one at the club has the decency to keep us informed, looks like they have even placed a blackout on reporting by our media wales reporters.
No wonder we came near the bottom of the recent supporter engagement survey
Not good enough cardiff city

And the circus show continues. Are we going to have an update from the club or are they going to take their usual approach and leave us in the dark?

Nothing on efl site mentions other clubs but not Cardiff

https://www.efl.com/-more/governance/embargoes/

is that a genuine site

I doubt Tan is still a billionaire anymore. Moore will be sold no it would seem

I don't think Tan was ever a billionaire. I remember reading the Sunday Times rich list a few years ago and they reckoned he was worth somewhere in the region of £700 million.Very rich but not a billionaire in UK currency. Obviously this was well before covid which will have affected his wealth considerably as much of it is in the leisure sector.

Is it true that this embargo does not affect free transfers and loans? If this is the case it might not affect us at all as. I don't think we actually ever were going to buy anyone for money in this window.

Yes We can still sign free agents and loan players

Annis I have misunderstood the rules, if under a transfer embargo you can still sign players who are not registered, but if they are registered with another club, a loan is possible but the parent club has to pay all their wages, I cannot see any club doing that, so it would only be unregistered players. This embargo will be off very soon, not going to effect us signing players just a slight delay

loan players.....clubs cannot pay loan fees.....or make additional payments on top of the salary the player gets at his parent club.... it doesnt mean you cannot pay his wage just you cannot pay more than his wage....

Not my understanding of it the club he is being loaned to are not allowed to pay any wages the parent club has to pay them all.
If I am wrong perhaps you can show me the efl rule on it as all I can find is the loaning club must pay all of the players wages?

Still do you think any club are going to pay a players full wages and let them go on loan, just what have they got to gain, nothing would be my view, that is my point

or maybe you can back up your claim.... where a parent club MUST pay all the on loan players wages....

Nothing on efl site mentions other clubs but not Cardiff

https://www.efl.com/-more/governance/embargoes/

is that a genuine site

It sure is

Dalman and Choo would be making a statement if this was one of their car sales groups for which they both are handsomely paid by VT

I doubt Tan is still a billionaire anymore. Moore will be sold no it would seem

I don't think Tan was ever a billionaire. I remember reading the Sunday Times rich list a few years ago and they reckoned he was worth somewhere in the region of £700 million.Very rich but not a billionaire in UK currency. Obviously this was well before covid which will have affected his wealth considerably as much of it is in the leisure sector.

Is it true that this embargo does not affect free transfers and loans? If this is the case it might not affect us at all as. I don't think we actually ever were going to buy anyone for money in this window.

Yes We can still sign free agents and loan players

Annis I have misunderstood the rules, if under a transfer embargo you can still sign players who are not registered, but if they are registered with another club, a loan is possible but the parent club has to pay all their wages, I cannot see any club doing that, so it would only be unregistered players. This embargo will be off very soon, not going to effect us signing players just a slight delay

loan players.....clubs cannot pay loan fees.....or make additional payments on top of the salary the player gets at his parent club.... it doesnt mean you cannot pay his wage just you cannot pay more than his wage....

Not my understanding of it the club he is being loaned to are not allowed to pay any wages the parent club has to pay them all.
If I am wrong perhaps you can show me the efl rule on it as all I can find is the loaning club must pay all of the players wages?

Still do you think any club are going to pay a players full wages and let them go on loan, just what have they got to gain, nothing would be my view, that is my point

or maybe you can back up your claim.... where a parent club MUST pay all the on loan players wages....

From bbc sport site
What do the embargoes mean for signing players?

Under the EFL's operational rules surrounding embargoes, clubs do have some means of strengthening their squads "to protect the integrity" of the competition.

Clubs are permitted to 'staff up' so they have 23 players of professional standing, which is termed as players to have made at least one appearance for any club in any first-team competition.

If they have less than 23 players they are allowed, within a transfer window, to sign free agents on a maximum of one-year deals or bring in players on loan for up to half a season.

However, clubs cannot pay loan fees for players and cannot pay additional wages on top of the salary the player receives at their parent club.
My take on this is that, this last paragraph means that the loaning club are paying the players wages, again perhaps you can point out where it says they are not!

With regards to the transfer embargo i believe this is not Active as it is currently suspended pending The appeal to the Court of Arbitration for Sport (Cas)which was originally due to be heard in Spring 2020

Three Championship sides HAVE been placed under a transfer embargo by the EFL.

Late on Wednesday, just before England's Euro 2020 semi-final win over Denmark, the league confirmed that Hull City, Reading and Derby County are all under new restrictions ahead of the new season.

In simple terms, it means all three sides(cardiff not being one of them ) are unable to pay any transfer fees this summer and can only sign players released by other clubs that fit within the financial restrictions the EFL impose.

I doubt Tan is still a billionaire anymore. Moore will be sold no it would seem

I don't think Tan was ever a billionaire. I remember reading the Sunday Times rich list a few years ago and they reckoned he was worth somewhere in the region of £700 million.Very rich but not a billionaire in UK currency. Obviously this was well before covid which will have affected his wealth considerably as much of it is in the leisure sector.

Is it true that this embargo does not affect free transfers and loans? If this is the case it might not affect us at all as. I don't think we actually ever were going to buy anyone for money in this window.

Yes We can still sign free agents and loan players

Annis I have misunderstood the rules, if under a transfer embargo you can still sign players who are not registered, but if they are registered with another club, a loan is possible but the parent club has to pay all their wages, I cannot see any club doing that, so it would only be unregistered players. This embargo will be off very soon, not going to effect us signing players just a slight delay

loan players.....clubs cannot pay loan fees.....or make additional payments on top of the salary the player gets at his parent club.... it doesnt mean you cannot pay his wage just you cannot pay more than his wage....

Not my understanding of it the club he is being loaned to are not allowed to pay any wages the parent club has to pay them all.
If I am wrong perhaps you can show me the efl rule on it as all I can find is the loaning club must pay all of the players wages?

Still do you think any club are going to pay a players full wages and let them go on loan, just what have they got to gain, nothing would be my view, that is my point

or maybe you can back up your claim.... where a parent club MUST pay all the on loan players wages....

From bbc sport site
What do the embargoes mean for signing players?

Under the EFL's operational rules surrounding embargoes, clubs do have some means of strengthening their squads "to protect the integrity" of the competition.

Clubs are permitted to 'staff up' so they have 23 players of professional standing, which is termed as players to have made at least one appearance for any club in any first-team competition.

If they have less than 23 players they are allowed, within a transfer window, to sign free agents on a maximum of one-year deals or bring in players on loan for up to half a season.

However, clubs cannot pay loan fees for players and cannot pay additional wages on top of the salary the player receives at their parent club.
My take on this is that, this last paragraph means that the loaning club are paying the players wages, again perhaps you can point out where it says they are not!

and cannot pay additional wages .... the word additional has no purpose if what you claim is true.... ?

With regards to the transfer embargo i believe this is not Active as it is currently suspended pending The appeal to the Court of Arbitration for Sport (Cas)which was originally due to be heard in Spring 2020

Three Championship sides HAVE been placed under a transfer embargo by the EFL.

Late on Wednesday, just before England's Euro 2020 semi-final win over Denmark, the league confirmed that Hull City, Reading and Derby County are all under new restrictions ahead of the new season.

In simple terms, it means all three sides(cardiff not being one of them ) are unable to pay any transfer fees this summer and can only sign players released by other clubs that fit within the financial restrictions the EFL impose.

Wez this is nothing to do with the Sala fee that is down to Fifa/eufa, that is ongoing and we are not under an embargo for that as it is on appeal.
This is the EFL that are emposing the embargo for the breaking of their regulations and at this moment we are on their list.
Click on Championship in the link
https://www.efl.com/-more/governance/embargoes

Cardiff City
Regulation 51.2.3 - Default in paying transfer fee instalments

Derby County
Regulation 16.2 - Failure to provide audited annual accounts
Regulation 16.3 - Annual Accounts not filed with Companies House
Regulation 17 - Default in payments to HMRC
Regulation 51.2.3 - Default in paying transfer fee instalments
Profit and Sustainability Rules - non-submission of audited accounts

Hull City
Conditions under monitored loan agreement

Reading
Breach of Profit and Sustainability Rules

Having owners at the club that 'ALLOW' us to fall under an embargo and dont pay transfer fees when required to do so is shameful.

Not a supporter of Tan, I did at least recognise that he paid bills, kept us afloat. Now hearing this, it doesn't even look like he does that, and for that reason he MUST GO and relinquish control to Sam Hammam.

Having owners at the club that 'ALLOW' us to fall under an embargo and dont pay transfer fees when required to do so is shameful.

Not a supporter of Tan, I did at least recognise that he paid bills, kept us afloat. Now hearing this, it doesn't even look like he does that, and for that reason he MUST GO and relinquish control to Sam Hammam.

What an interesting idea

Having owners at the club that 'ALLOW' us to fall under an embargo and dont pay transfer fees when required to do so is shameful.

Not a supporter of Tan, I did at least recognise that he paid bills, kept us afloat. Now hearing this, it doesn't even look like he does that, and for that reason he MUST GO and relinquish control to Sam Hammam.

Maybe we will sell our captain for 200k to pay the bills then?

I absolutely am a fan of Sam. I’ve shown that clearly. But why you think the owner who ran out of money and couldn’t pay our bills previously would be better suited to run our club during a pandemic when we have little income is a bit bonkers.

Worrying for this to happen when we still need players and season starts soon, needs sorting asap.

Still nothing mentioned on BBC, Sky, or the Welsh media.

Would have thought at least one of them would have published something by now.

strange...no one is reporting this... and none of the the articles mentioning other clubs under embargo lest ourselves ?

Having owners at the club that 'ALLOW' us to fall under an embargo and dont pay transfer fees when required to do so is shameful.

Not a supporter of Tan, I did at least recognise that he paid bills, kept us afloat. Now hearing this, it doesn't even look like he does that, and for that reason he MUST GO and relinquish control to Sam Hammam.

Maybe we will sell our captain for 200k to pay the bills then?

I absolutely am a fan of Sam. I’ve shown that clearly. But why you think the owner who ran out of money and couldn’t pay our bills previously would be better suited to run our club during a pandemic when we have little income is a bit bonkers.

Fair comment, and I get that, but from what I gather Sam's fortune has rocketed ( proportionately due to pandemic) over the years. He also has the charisma and enthusiasm to create situations and make things happen that would entice fans back in numbers allowing us to generate more income as a club.

Tans charisma and enthusiasm has never been evident with the fans. Hes given us promotions and cup finals, absolutely, but hes never been one of us, and, given the current news, cares very little, and that rubs off.

Still nothing mentioned on BBC, Sky, or the Welsh media.

Would have thought at least one of them would have published something by now.

strange...no one is reporting this... and none of the the articles mentioning other clubs under embargo lest ourselves ?

Obviously we are not news worthy for anyone..

Having owners at the club that 'ALLOW' us to fall under an embargo and dont pay transfer fees when required to do so is shameful.

Not a supporter of Tan, I did at least recognise that he paid bills, kept us afloat. Now hearing this, it doesn't even look like he does that, and for that reason he MUST GO and relinquish control to Sam Hammam.

Maybe we will sell our captain for 200k to pay the bills then?

I absolutely am a fan of Sam. I’ve shown that clearly. But why you think the owner who ran out of money and couldn’t pay our bills previously would be better suited to run our club during a pandemic when we have little income is a bit bonkers.

Fair comment, and I get that, but from what I gather Sam's fortune has rocketed ( proportionately due to pandemic) over the years. He also has the charisma and enthusiasm to create situations and make things happen that would entice fans back in numbers allowing us to generate more income as a club.

Tans charisma and enthusiasm has never been evident with the fans. Hes given us promotions and cup finals, absolutely, but hes never been one of us, and, given the current news, cares very little, and that rubs off.

"From what you gather...?"

That (and the rest of your post) made me smile; and we both know why...

Having owners at the club that 'ALLOW' us to fall under an embargo and dont pay transfer fees when required to do so is shameful.

Not a supporter of Tan, I did at least recognise that he paid bills, kept us afloat. Now hearing this, it doesn't even look like he does that, and for that reason he MUST GO and relinquish control to Sam Hammam.

Maybe we will sell our captain for 200k to pay the bills then?

I absolutely am a fan of Sam. I’ve shown that clearly. But why you think the owner who ran out of money and couldn’t pay our bills previously would be better suited to run our club during a pandemic when we have little income is a bit bonkers.

Fair comment, and I get that, but from what I gather Sam's fortune has rocketed ( proportionately due to pandemic) over the years. He also has the charisma and enthusiasm to create situations and make things happen that would entice fans back in numbers allowing us to generate more income as a club.

Tans charisma and enthusiasm has never been evident with the fans. Hes given us promotions and cup finals, absolutely, but hes never been one of us, and, given the current news, cares very little, and that rubs off.

The only evidence I have of his fortune is the fact he called me from Lebanon which must have cost a bomb.

Other than that it’s pure speculation.

He does have charisma though but I’m not sure Sam taking us over would result in an increase in season ticket sales.

Typical
Dont the club have anyone behind the scenes who can make sure we dont go under a transfer embargo....obviously not.

Still nothing mentioned on BBC, Sky, or the Welsh media.

Would have thought at least one of them would have published something by now.

strange...no one is reporting this... and none of the the articles mentioning other clubs under embargo lest ourselves ?

Obviously we are not news worthy for anyone..

or maybe wez is closer to the mark than the op...

Having owners at the club that 'ALLOW' us to fall under an embargo and dont pay transfer fees when required to do so is shameful.

Not a supporter of Tan, I did at least recognise that he paid bills, kept us afloat. Now hearing this, it doesn't even look like he does that, and for that reason he MUST GO and relinquish control to Sam Hammam.

Maybe we will sell our captain for 200k to pay the bills then?

I absolutely am a fan of Sam. I’ve shown that clearly. But why you think the owner who ran out of money and couldn’t pay our bills previously would be better suited to run our club during a pandemic when we have little income is a bit bonkers.

Fair comment, and I get that, but from what I gather Sam's fortune has rocketed ( proportionately due to pandemic) over the years. He also has the charisma and enthusiasm to create situations and make things happen that would entice fans back in numbers allowing us to generate more income as a club.

Tans charisma and enthusiasm has never been evident with the fans. Hes given us promotions and cup finals, absolutely, but hes never been one of us, and, given the current news, cares very little, and that rubs off.

The only evidence I have of his fortune is the fact he called me from Lebanon which must have cost a bomb.

Other than that it’s pure speculation.

He does have charisma though but I’m not sure Sam taking us over would result in an increase in season ticket sales.

What? It costs a couple of quid to call you from abroad.

Nice of him to call but that doesn't make him rich.
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Still nothing mentioned on BBC, Sky, or the Welsh media.

Would have thought at least one of them would have published something by now.

strange...no one is reporting this... and none of the the articles mentioning other clubs under embargo lest ourselves ?

Obviously we are not news worthy for anyone..

or maybe wez is closer to the mark than the op...

Could be right either that or the club and all the sports news media have a gagging order preventing any news coming into public domain ? On efl website they are not placed in embargo but efl states its in discussions with several championship clubs over ffp inc city? Only the 3 teams mentioned are on efl embargo list...

THIS IS WHAT EFL SAY
(Crucially, the Football League stated in was in discussions with “a number of other clubs over their FFP submissions” – with it now appearing Cardiff were among them with discussions continuing over the last two weeks)

Having owners at the club that 'ALLOW' us to fall under an embargo and dont pay transfer fees when required to do so is shameful.

Not a supporter of Tan, I did at least recognise that he paid bills, kept us afloat. Now hearing this, it doesn't even look like he does that, and for that reason he MUST GO and relinquish control to Sam Hammam.

Maybe we will sell our captain for 200k to pay the bills then?

I absolutely am a fan of Sam. I’ve shown that clearly. But why you think the owner who ran out of money and couldn’t pay our bills previously would be better suited to run our club during a pandemic when we have little income is a bit bonkers.

Fair comment, and I get that, but from what I gather Sam's fortune has rocketed ( proportionately due to pandemic) over the years. He also has the charisma and enthusiasm to create situations and make things happen that would entice fans back in numbers allowing us to generate more income as a club.

Tans charisma and enthusiasm has never been evident with the fans. Hes given us promotions and cup finals, absolutely, but hes never been one of us, and, given the current news, cares very little, and that rubs off.

The only evidence I have of his fortune is the fact he called me from Lebanon which must have cost a bomb.

Other than that it’s pure speculation.

He does have charisma though but I’m not sure Sam taking us over would result in an increase in season ticket sales.

What? It costs a couple of quid to call you from abroad.

Nice of him to call but that doesn't make him rich.
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A bit of a churlish response from you, so let us clarify that Sam's 'wealth' has taken a turn for the (far) better since he returned to the Lebanon and increased his holdings in that area

Rich he most certainly is; even by the B£ue £agoon's twisted reckonings...

The actual phone call (costing pennies of pounds) is just another example of how Sam sees his links to this club and its supporters and can only be commended...

Still nothing mentioned on BBC, Sky, or the Welsh media.

Would have thought at least one of them would have published something by now.

strange...no one is reporting this... and none of the the articles mentioning other clubs under embargo lest ourselves ?

Obviously we are not news worthy for anyone..

or maybe wez is closer to the mark than the op...

Could be right either that or the club and all the sports news media have a gagging order preventing any news coming into public domain ? On efl website they are not placed in embargo but efl states its in discussions with several championship clubs over ffp inc city? Only the 3 teams mentioned are on efl embargo list...

THIS IS WHAT EFL SAY
(Crucially, the Football League stated in was in discussions with “a number of other clubs over their FFP submissions” – with it now appearing Cardiff were among them with discussions continuing over the last two weeks)

not an easy choice really....
A} an international news agency with an uncanny habit of being wrong...or
B} someone who regularly sees doppelgangers of footballers in costa coffee....