mm3260 wrote:"So Institutional racism doesn't exist", that statement is one of the most racist remarks i've heard in a long while.
Yeah, you said that. Saying it twice doesn't change the fact that it is still wrong.
Can't be arsed typing out the same shite over and over again so here is a quote from the last time around
ealing wrote: Actually, I probably said institutional and systemic racism don't exist in the UK. They don't.
For something to be institutional, it has to baked into the foundations of the institution.
If we lived in an institutionally racist society that would me that racism is codified into our legal system and people of a certain ethnicity couldn't achieve positions of office. Dawn Butler, Dianne Abbott, David Lammy, Priti Patel, Rishi Sunak just to name a few non-white politicians are examples of that the UK is not institutionally racist.
Similarly, if something is systemic, it means that it is apparent within all elements of a system.
If the UK was systemically racist all elements of the UK would be racist. This is not the case. Words have meanings and those meanings are important.
They might be nice-sounding buzz words but they are grossly inaccurate, regardless of how many people want to change their meaning.
mm3260 wrote:Stop and Search is no problem because you got stopped and searched outside a tube station on a Friday Night.
Please show me where I said
these words exactly with a link to the post. I have commented on stop and search before and said:
ealing wrote:When London had a stop and search policy I got stopped every single Friday on the tube when my office had dressed down day. Every single time. I'm comfortable in a hood and jeans. I didnt live in an affluent area. I'm white. I wasn't stopped or profiled on my race, but on how I dressed, my class and where I lived.
There can be a huge debate about the validity of stop and search policies. These don't necessarily boil down to race though.
Way more complex discussion and class is a far greater aspect of the conversation than race, but is sweat aside because its easier to vilify white people openly than it is to turn on working class people.
The link to the post is here
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=217950mm3260 wrote:I NEVER SAID black and white cant see a shared view of the world. Once again you choose to twist and distort to advance your own agenda. I said, "A WHITE PERSON CANNOT SEE THE WORLD THROUGH A BLACK PERSONS EYES".Do you even know what that means?? Again you are showing your racist traits. You cannot see the prejudice that I or millions of Blacks have endured because you are white. Nothing more and nothing less.
No you said,
"I cannot tell you how being white feels because i'm not white. You can't tell me the consequences of being a black person if you are white because you don't know.".
To which I replied
ealing wrote:[after listing examples of emerging modern day segregation...]
All in the name of equality. All in line with the premise that I as a white man cannot understand you as a black man, and you as a black man cannot understand me as a white man. The road to hell truly is paved with good intentions.
To paraphrase Morgan Freeman, I’m going to stop calling you a black man. And I’m going to ask you to stop calling me a white man. I'll know you as a man, you know me as a man, with shared experiences of being human.
Watch the following video, where 1,000 people who had never met before took part at a special event at the Tower of David in Jerusalem, to sing one song, in three languages and in three-part vocal harmony, which took them less than an hour to learn.
Then tell me that the human race is better divided, focused on our differences instead of coming together and focusing on the much bigger commonalities we all share as part of this fragile, yet strangely wonderful, inventive and beautiful thing we call the human race.
I'm so tired of all the division. It's not what we're supposed to be.
Please outline
exactly where the racist rhetoric is in that statement.
The link for reference to this particular thread is here
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=218959mm3260 wrote:As it was you confirmed my suspicions and in no way would i seek to mock anyone with any health problems. My niece recently took her own life leaving 2 young children so i know only too well the hurt and truth behind mental health issues.
If this is true this only further magnifies how low it is that you would so glibly mock mental health sufferers. However, I am also sorry for your loss and my condolences to your family. Two young ones losing a mother is perhaps one of the most heartbreaking things that could happen ever.
mm3260 wrote:but you need to realise something.... WHERE IS YOUR PROOF THE LOOTERS/MURDERERS were BLM. Until that sort of attitude is changed, there will be problems. Good thing BLM changed their website hey. Gosh they were lucky to duck that one
Covered this in my reply to CityBlue93 earlier in the thread. Which was how a civil conversation can go even when people have opposing views.
mm3260 wrote:You keep playing to your happy clappers and posting your offensive bile
Again please put an actual quote, with
my actual words, for something that constitutes
offensive bile with links to the relevant posts.
You're a retired legal professional, educated to Masters degree level I recall, so it shouldn't be too much to request something silly like the actual evidence of me posting things in line with what you accuse me of with links so that it can be verified.
Something simple along these lines would do:
mm3260's on how another poster doesn't empathise with their black relatives: wrote:Do me a favour and shut the fck up because anyone with half a brain can see through your, "I'm not a racist i've got black nephews " bollox. You may have black members of your family but it dont mean you empathise with them
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=215640For someone who has ," Black Family and Friends" you're not clued up on matters black Annis.
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=216144&p=2216734#p2216734
mm3260's very dubious sense of morality when proving a point wrote:Prince Andrew allegedly has sex 3 times with a girl of 17 who could lawfully be married and have sex and have children yet people refer to him as a paedophile for taking advantage of a 17yr old.
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=216246&p=2217653#p2217653
and (my favourite), mm3260's hilariously unironic hypocrisy wrote:This board has become a place where people are spouting views that have nothing to do with football and Cardiff City but instead they create conflict.
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=217756&p=2233951#p2233951Said after making 52 of his total 56 posts on non-football related topics (42 posts are race-related incidentally)
I've managed to find nine examples of you being a race-baiting, bigoted, hypocritical prick and put this post together in the 10 minutes or so I've been having a coffee before I start back to work and you only had 56 posts to pick through.
I've got 1667 or so posts and at as a retiree in lockdown I'm sure you've got all the time in the world to trawl through them to prove your point.
I'm sure I've probably said some mean things in there (mostly at Josh to be fair - but he gives as good as he gets) but you'll have to look very, very hard to find anything racists because it simply ain't there. But fill your boots young man and then come back to me with
the exact words I've said, that are racist and a link to them.
This time around please
don't put what you think I've said. You've done that enough now and been grossly inaccurate each time, so if you are going to try and back up your ridiculous claims with my own words, lets try and keep it accurate from here on in shall we?
I may be an uneducated fool without a degree compared to you and your high and mighty Masters and your Law degree. You may think it is OK to belittle people like me who suffer from mental illnesses, but if you're going to call me out for being a racist, if you are going to have the gumption to claim I have a hatred of all that is decent, and if you are going to try to use my own words to do so, surely it is a simple request that I ask you to do so in an accurate fashion in keeping with your background as a retired legal professional?
Better get on with it then mate, a lot of posts to go through, even with such a big ole educated brain like yours.