And people wonder why covid19 infections are rising

Hardly warrants a lockdown or anything else. More people are dying of suicide and that’s a fact and another Blurbird gone a couple of days ago
These are the official deaths in the areas mentioned SOLELY of Covid. Can’t wait to be called a spreader of fake news again even though the information is from a government site.

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Judging by your question you have no idea how death certificates are written. The conclusions you are trying to draw are wrong, and your post is meaningless.
Sorry mate I am fed up with this garbage!

he has taken it to the extreme.....which is what the official figures do.... only opposite... within 28 days of having a positive covid test despite 80% of positive covid tests being of people who are asymptomatic...
the actual figure is somewhere in the middle... but his are no more garbage than what you get 8 thousand times a day on MSM....

I was more talking about human right level freedoms tbh

I'm sorry Josh, you have been shown up to be at best, very hypocrical, at median level....semi educated and purposefully pushing an agenda which makes no logical sense and you know to be untrue, and at worst a pathological troll who just fearmongers.

I was led to believe that my human right level of freedom was to be free and do what I wished, as long as I did not piss on other peoples' chips e.g. theft, physical or emotional abuse, damage to other's property.

If other's are scared about their mortality in light of this virus, I respect their freewill to stay at home, isolate themselves and do whatever they wish to protect themselves.

It is my wish to carry on running my small business, to carry on walking the streets and visiting the lovely areas of Dorset in which I reside at present.

Unfortunately, the freedoms mentioned in the paragraph above, are now illegal.....and if you think they are going to be given back lightly you are sorely mistaken.

I was more talking about human right level freedoms tbh

I'm sorry Josh, you have been shown up to be at best, very hypocrical, at median level....semi educated and purposefully pushing an agenda which makes no logical sense and you know to be untrue, and at worst a pathological troll who just fearmongers.

I was led to believe that my human right level of freedom was to be free and do what I wished, as long as I did not piss on other peoples' chips e.g. theft, physical or emotional abuse, damage to other's property.

If other's are scared about their mortality in light of this virus, I respect their freewill to stay at home, isolate themselves and do whatever they wish to protect themselves.

It is my wish to carry on running my small business, to carry on walking the streets and visiting the lovely areas of Dorset in which I reside at present.

Unfortunately, the freedoms mentioned in the paragraph above, are now illegal.....and if you think they are going to be given back lightly you are sorely mistaken.

Let's go through the 'freedoms' that you and nuclear say we've apparently lost.
Going to the football: You could've gone to any team in Dorset I imagine.
Going to a festival: Down to the event organisers that, I went to an open air comedy gig a few months back after the first lockdown and I assume gigs aren't too different.
Going on holiday: Can do that
Going to the pub: Can do that
Going to a restaurant: Can do that
Gyms closed: They'd reopened
Having to wear a 'face nappy': Firstly grow up nuclear. Secondly, its an item of clothing and seen as you can't go out shopping naked it's not a freedom you've been caring about much.
Being able to try on clothes: Probably the most pathetic 'freedom' anyone has ever lost. Also private businesses can decide to not allow you to try on clothes whenever they want.
Going to other places under a different tier: Which nuclear believes is a different kind of lockdown so does not fit in the remit.

After going through them one by one I think you should be describing yourself and nuclear as "purposefully pushing an agenda which makes no logical sense and you know to be untrue, and at worst a pathological troll who just fearmongers." instead of me

I was more talking about human right level freedoms tbh

I'm sorry Josh, you have been shown up to be at best, very hypocrical, at median level....semi educated and purposefully pushing an agenda which makes no logical sense and you know to be untrue, and at worst a pathological troll who just fearmongers.

I was led to believe that my human right level of freedom was to be free and do what I wished, as long as I did not piss on other peoples' chips e.g. theft, physical or emotional abuse, damage to other's property.

If other's are scared about their mortality in light of this virus, I respect their freewill to stay at home, isolate themselves and do whatever they wish to protect themselves.

It is my wish to carry on running my small business, to carry on walking the streets and visiting the lovely areas of Dorset in which I reside at present.

Unfortunately, the freedoms mentioned in the paragraph above, are now illegal.....and if you think they are going to be given back lightly you are sorely mistaken.

Let's go through the 'freedoms' that you and nuclear say we've apparently lost.
Going to the football: You could've gone to any team in Dorset I imagine.
Going to a festival: Down to the event organisers that, I went to an open air comedy gig a few months back after the first lockdown and I assume gigs aren't too different.
Going on holiday: Can do that
Going to the pub: Can do that
Going to a restaurant: Can do that
Gyms closed: They'd reopened
Having to wear a 'face nappy': Firstly grow up nuclear. Secondly, its an item of clothing and seen as you can't go out shopping naked it's not a freedom you've been caring about much.
Being able to try on clothes: Probably the most pathetic 'freedom' anyone has ever lost. Also private businesses can decide to not allow you to try on clothes whenever they want.
Going to other places under a different tier: Which nuclear believes is a different kind of lockdown so does not fit in the remit.

After going through them one by one I think you should be describing yourself and nuclear as "purposefully pushing an agenda which makes no logical sense and you know to be untrue, and at worst a pathological troll who just fearmongers." instead of me

all the above had restrictions pal. and i dont see why your making out they did not..

I was more talking about human right level freedoms tbh

I'm sorry Josh, you have been shown up to be at best, very hypocrical, at median level....semi educated and purposefully pushing an agenda which makes no logical sense and you know to be untrue, and at worst a pathological troll who just fearmongers.

I was led to believe that my human right level of freedom was to be free and do what I wished, as long as I did not piss on other peoples' chips e.g. theft, physical or emotional abuse, damage to other's property.

If other's are scared about their mortality in light of this virus, I respect their freewill to stay at home, isolate themselves and do whatever they wish to protect themselves.

It is my wish to carry on running my small business, to carry on walking the streets and visiting the lovely areas of Dorset in which I reside at present.

Unfortunately, the freedoms mentioned in the paragraph above, are now illegal.....and if you think they are going to be given back lightly you are sorely mistaken.

Josh is a Marxist/Communist so he does not agree with freedoms anyway. Either that or he just a frightened sheep. The big questions will we get back our freedoms ? Will we get back to the pub like we used to ? In my views how many pubs will still be trading that is the question and the same for the restaurants. Small businesses have been lost and the likes of the supermarkets and Amazon now have there trade.
What they are not telling us right now is what are the unemployed statistics and what businesses have folded. I see shops being boarded up one after another.
But Josh and his BS and his Marxists ideology is all that matters to him. And let’s not forget that suicides is sky rocketing as a result. Businesses going bust through no fault of there own then losing there homes. But where I get really annoyed so those that want to be safe from a virus no more deadly than we see every freaking year.
Yes I’m countering the death rate which I say is exaggerated to the extreme to be used to suppress our freedoms in the most horrendous ways.
The lies of it all can be seen all around us but for the majority they refuse to look and see the proof right in front of there eyes.
It’s come down to the public now believe a lying conniving government and they believe in the most ludicrous lies.

I was more talking about human right level freedoms tbh

I'm sorry Josh, you have been shown up to be at best, very hypocrical, at median level....semi educated and purposefully pushing an agenda which makes no logical sense and you know to be untrue, and at worst a pathological troll who just fearmongers.

I was led to believe that my human right level of freedom was to be free and do what I wished, as long as I did not piss on other peoples' chips e.g. theft, physical or emotional abuse, damage to other's property.

If other's are scared about their mortality in light of this virus, I respect their freewill to stay at home, isolate themselves and do whatever they wish to protect themselves.

It is my wish to carry on running my small business, to carry on walking the streets and visiting the lovely areas of Dorset in which I reside at present.

Unfortunately, the freedoms mentioned in the paragraph above, are now illegal.....and if you think they are going to be given back lightly you are sorely mistaken.

Let's go through the 'freedoms' that you and nuclear say we've apparently lost.
Going to the football: You could've gone to any team in Dorset I imagine.
Going to a festival: Down to the event organisers that, I went to an open air comedy gig a few months back after the first lockdown and I assume gigs aren't too different.
Going on holiday: Can do that
Going to the pub: Can do that
Going to a restaurant: Can do that
Gyms closed: They'd reopened
Having to wear a 'face nappy': Firstly grow up nuclear. Secondly, its an item of clothing and seen as you can't go out shopping naked it's not a freedom you've been caring about much.
Being able to try on clothes: Probably the most pathetic 'freedom' anyone has ever lost. Also private businesses can decide to not allow you to try on clothes whenever they want.
Going to other places under a different tier: Which nuclear believes is a different kind of lockdown so does not fit in the remit.

After going through them one by one I think you should be describing yourself and nuclear as "purposefully pushing an agenda which makes no logical sense and you know to be untrue, and at worst a pathological troll who just fearmongers." instead of me

all the above had restrictions pal. and i dont see why your making out they did not..

What he needs to ask himself is this
Go to the pub?? Not now!
Go to restaurants? Not now!
Travel to different tiers? Should you wish to,yes,but why would you?
I couldnt go to my"local tesco" during lockdown,as it was not in Cardiff (1 mile from my house in on cowbridge road west,yet i could travel further to shop down the bay,5 times the traveling distance!!).same for burger king and McDonald's!!
And we have been in some form of lockdown,since march last year in wales!

I was more talking about human right level freedoms tbh

I'm sorry Josh, you have been shown up to be at best, very hypocrical, at median level....semi educated and purposefully pushing an agenda which makes no logical sense and you know to be untrue, and at worst a pathological troll who just fearmongers.

I was led to believe that my human right level of freedom was to be free and do what I wished, as long as I did not piss on other peoples' chips e.g. theft, physical or emotional abuse, damage to other's property.

If other's are scared about their mortality in light of this virus, I respect their freewill to stay at home, isolate themselves and do whatever they wish to protect themselves.

It is my wish to carry on running my small business, to carry on walking the streets and visiting the lovely areas of Dorset in which I reside at present.

Unfortunately, the freedoms mentioned in the paragraph above, are now illegal.....and if you think they are going to be given back lightly you are sorely mistaken.

Let's go through the 'freedoms' that you and nuclear say we've apparently lost.
Going to the football: You could've gone to any team in Dorset I imagine.
Going to a festival: Down to the event organisers that, I went to an open air comedy gig a few months back after the first lockdown and I assume gigs aren't too different.
Going on holiday: Can do that
Going to the pub: Can do that
Going to a restaurant: Can do that
Gyms closed: They'd reopened
Having to wear a 'face nappy': Firstly grow up nuclear. Secondly, its an item of clothing and seen as you can't go out shopping naked it's not a freedom you've been caring about much.
Being able to try on clothes: Probably the most pathetic 'freedom' anyone has ever lost. Also private businesses can decide to not allow you to try on clothes whenever they want.
Going to other places under a different tier: Which nuclear believes is a different kind of lockdown so does not fit in the remit.

After going through them one by one I think you should be describing yourself and nuclear as "purposefully pushing an agenda which makes no logical sense and you know to be untrue, and at worst a pathological troll who just fearmongers." instead of me

all the above had restrictions pal. and i dont see why your making out they did not..

What he needs to ask himself is this
Go to the pub?? Not now!
Go to restaurants? Not now!
Travel to different tiers? Should you wish to,yes,but why would you?
I couldnt go to my"local tesco" during lockdown,as it was not in Cardiff (1 mile from my house in on cowbridge road west,yet i could travel further to shop down the bay,5 times the traveling distance!!).same for burger king and McDonald's!!
And we have been in some form of lockdown,since march last year in wales!

Is that because we're in lockdown.... I originally asked what freedoms have we lost when not in lockdown. If you think Wales has been in lockdown since March then none of this applies yet.

I was more talking about human right level freedoms tbh

I'm sorry Josh, you have been shown up to be at best, very hypocrical, at median level....semi educated and purposefully pushing an agenda which makes no logical sense and you know to be untrue, and at worst a pathological troll who just fearmongers.

I was led to believe that my human right level of freedom was to be free and do what I wished, as long as I did not piss on other peoples' chips e.g. theft, physical or emotional abuse, damage to other's property.

If other's are scared about their mortality in light of this virus, I respect their freewill to stay at home, isolate themselves and do whatever they wish to protect themselves.

It is my wish to carry on running my small business, to carry on walking the streets and visiting the lovely areas of Dorset in which I reside at present.

Unfortunately, the freedoms mentioned in the paragraph above, are now illegal.....and if you think they are going to be given back lightly you are sorely mistaken.

Josh is a Marxist/Communist so he does not agree with freedoms anyway. Either that or he just a frightened sheep. The big questions will we get back our freedoms ? Will we get back to the pub like we used to ? In my views how many pubs will still be trading that is the question and the same for the restaurants. Small businesses have been lost and the likes of the supermarkets and Amazon now have there trade.
What they are not telling us right now is what are the unemployed statistics and what businesses have folded. I see shops being boarded up one after another.
But Josh and his BS and his Marxists ideology is all that matters to him. And let’s not forget that suicides is sky rocketing as a result. Businesses going bust through no fault of there own then losing there homes. But where I get really annoyed so those that want to be safe from a virus no more deadly than we see every freaking year.
Yes I’m countering the death rate which I say is exaggerated to the extreme to be used to suppress our freedoms in the most horrendous ways.
The lies of it all can be seen all around us but for the majority they refuse to look and see the proof right in front of there eyes.
It’s come down to the public now believe a lying conniving government and they believe in the most ludicrous lies.

More nuclear dividing tactics Bet you can't even tell what Marxist or Communist policy I believe in.

Firstly about freedoms, one of us has been defending people's freedom of expression to take the knee and one of us has been crying for 6 months about it. Yet I'm the one who doesn't believe in freedom

Secondly, I've been here getting mocked for years when I bring up facts about homelessness, suicides, child poverty etc.

Genuine question here everybody.

Why do the Covid death figures include deaths from any cause within 28 days of a positive Covid test?

Could somebody explain the reasoning behind why say somebody dies in a car accident three weeks after having a positive test that their death is included in the number of recorded Covid deaths?

On that basis will the government be publishing numbers of deaths within 28 days of receiving a Covid vaccine also?

I was more talking about human right level freedoms tbh

I'm sorry Josh, you have been shown up to be at best, very hypocrical, at median level....semi educated and purposefully pushing an agenda which makes no logical sense and you know to be untrue, and at worst a pathological troll who just fearmongers.

I was led to believe that my human right level of freedom was to be free and do what I wished, as long as I did not piss on other peoples' chips e.g. theft, physical or emotional abuse, damage to other's property.

If other's are scared about their mortality in light of this virus, I respect their freewill to stay at home, isolate themselves and do whatever they wish to protect themselves.

It is my wish to carry on running my small business, to carry on walking the streets and visiting the lovely areas of Dorset in which I reside at present.

Unfortunately, the freedoms mentioned in the paragraph above, are now illegal.....and if you think they are going to be given back lightly you are sorely mistaken.

Josh is a Marxist/Communist so he does not agree with freedoms anyway. Either that or he just a frightened sheep. The big questions will we get back our freedoms ? Will we get back to the pub like we used to ? In my views how many pubs will still be trading that is the question and the same for the restaurants. Small businesses have been lost and the likes of the supermarkets and Amazon now have there trade.
What they are not telling us right now is what are the unemployed statistics and what businesses have folded. I see shops being boarded up one after another.
But Josh and his BS and his Marxists ideology is all that matters to him. And let’s not forget that suicides is sky rocketing as a result. Businesses going bust through no fault of there own then losing there homes. But where I get really annoyed so those that want to be safe from a virus no more deadly than we see every freaking year.
Yes I’m countering the death rate which I say is exaggerated to the extreme to be used to suppress our freedoms in the most horrendous ways.
The lies of it all can be seen all around us but for the majority they refuse to look and see the proof right in front of there eyes.
It’s come down to the public now believe a lying conniving government and they believe in the most ludicrous lies.

More nuclear dividing tactics Bet you can't even tell what Marxist or Communist policy I believe in.

Firstly about freedoms, one of us has been defending people's freedom of expression to take the knee and one of us has been crying for 6 months about it. Yet I'm the one who doesn't believe in freedom

Secondly, I've been here getting mocked for years when I bring up facts about homelessness, suicides, child poverty etc.

the issue is not kneeling...its kneeling in a sports stadium.... people go to football to get away from politics... you and i can be stood next to each other cheering us on in the afternoon without asking each other our politics its not restricting freedom they can go do it in a park or at home etc..... my freedom has been taken away since March... you telling me it has not does not change that, its a fact... and honestly had this happened to me ten years ago i could well have ended up dangling from a tree...im lucky others are not so...

Genuine question here everybody.

Why do the Covid death figures include deaths from any cause within 28 days of a positive Covid test?

Could somebody explain the reasoning behind why say somebody dies in a car accident three weeks after having a positive test that their death is included in the number of recorded Covid deaths?

On that basis will the government be publishing numbers of deaths within 28 days of receiving a Covid vaccine also?

On a death certificate they will list all reasonings why you die and everything found this is called Comorbidities. Say you had as I said cancer but you might of also had a virus. The virus didn’t kill that person directly but could of contributed to it.
Now this has always been done but never before have they listed one virus to scare the living shit out of everyone. They are trying to make the covid virus so big so they can impose these restrictions on you. There are no more deaths this year that the previous etc and the last ten have been constant.
So what they are saying is to get the numbers of covid up they are giving 28 days after a positive test and please remember in March that was 60 days so this 80 odd thousand really has been manipulated. They are using the rules they have always had to put the fear of god into everyone. But most years we get massive epidemic of a virus but it’s just part of living with viruses.

I was more talking about human right level freedoms tbh

I'm sorry Josh, you have been shown up to be at best, very hypocrical, at median level....semi educated and purposefully pushing an agenda which makes no logical sense and you know to be untrue, and at worst a pathological troll who just fearmongers.

I was led to believe that my human right level of freedom was to be free and do what I wished, as long as I did not piss on other peoples' chips e.g. theft, physical or emotional abuse, damage to other's property.

If other's are scared about their mortality in light of this virus, I respect their freewill to stay at home, isolate themselves and do whatever they wish to protect themselves.

It is my wish to carry on running my small business, to carry on walking the streets and visiting the lovely areas of Dorset in which I reside at present.

Unfortunately, the freedoms mentioned in the paragraph above, are now illegal.....and if you think they are going to be given back lightly you are sorely mistaken.

Josh is a Marxist/Communist so he does not agree with freedoms anyway. Either that or he just a frightened sheep. The big questions will we get back our freedoms ? Will we get back to the pub like we used to ? In my views how many pubs will still be trading that is the question and the same for the restaurants. Small businesses have been lost and the likes of the supermarkets and Amazon now have there trade.
What they are not telling us right now is what are the unemployed statistics and what businesses have folded. I see shops being boarded up one after another.
But Josh and his BS and his Marxists ideology is all that matters to him. And let’s not forget that suicides is sky rocketing as a result. Businesses going bust through no fault of there own then losing there homes. But where I get really annoyed so those that want to be safe from a virus no more deadly than we see every freaking year.
Yes I’m countering the death rate which I say is exaggerated to the extreme to be used to suppress our freedoms in the most horrendous ways.
The lies of it all can be seen all around us but for the majority they refuse to look and see the proof right in front of there eyes.
It’s come down to the public now believe a lying conniving government and they believe in the most ludicrous lies.

More nuclear dividing tactics Bet you can't even tell what Marxist or Communist policy I believe in.

Firstly about freedoms, one of us has been defending people's freedom of expression to take the knee and one of us has been crying for 6 months about it. Yet I'm the one who doesn't believe in freedom

Secondly, I've been here getting mocked for years when I bring up facts about homelessness, suicides, child poverty etc.

the issue is not kneeling...its kneeling in a sports stadium.... people go to football to get away from politics... you and i can be stood next to each other cheering us on in the afternoon without asking each other our politics its not restricting freedom they can go do it in a park or at home etc..... my freedom has been taken away since March... you telling me it has not does not change that, its a fact... and honestly had this happened to me ten years ago i could well have ended up dangling from a tree...im lucky others are not so...

I like your contributions to the forum fair play. Well spoken and not afraid to ruffle a few feathers

Genuine question here everybody.

Why do the Covid death figures include deaths from any cause within 28 days of a positive Covid test?

Could somebody explain the reasoning behind why say somebody dies in a car accident three weeks after having a positive test that their death is included in the number of recorded Covid deaths?

On that basis will the government be publishing numbers of deaths within 28 days of receiving a Covid vaccine also?

https://publichealthmatters.blog.gov.uk ... 19-deaths/
Basically they use it as a provisional number to announce the daily figure because they have delays in reporting. The figure they then use are the ones with corona on the death certificate but that takes a while to get.

Genuine question here everybody.

Why do the Covid death figures include deaths from any cause within 28 days of a positive Covid test?

Could somebody explain the reasoning behind why say somebody dies in a car accident three weeks after having a positive test that their death is included in the number of recorded Covid deaths?

On that basis will the government be publishing numbers of deaths within 28 days of receiving a Covid vaccine also?

On a death certificate they will list all reasonings why you die and everything found this is called Comorbidities. Say you had as I said cancer but you might of also had a virus. The virus didn’t kill that person directly but could of contributed to it.
Now this has always been done but never before have they listed one virus to scare the living shit out of everyone. They are trying to make the covid virus so big so they can impose these restrictions on you. There are no more deaths this year that the previous etc and the last ten have been constant.
So what they are saying is to get the numbers of covid up they are giving 28 days after a positive test and please remember in March that was 60 days so this 80 odd thousand really has been manipulated. They are using the rules they have always had to put the fear of god into everyone. But most years we get massive epidemic of a virus but it’s just part of living with viruses.

Time and time and time and time again has this narrative that there are no more deaths this year than normal been proven wrong. 2020 has the highest number of deaths in England and Wales of the last 30 years (probably longer but I only looked back to 1990). It’s most likely 2020 has the highest yearly deaths since the 40’s.

Your own narrative is hypocritical. On one post you’ll talk about how many more people are dying from missed cancer treatments, missed operations, suicide, etc then on another you’ll say deaths this year are no different to any other year.

Police arrest 12 at Clapham Common anti-lockdown protest -

Twelve people have been arrested during an anti-lockdown protest in south London.

Police officers clashed with some of the maskless protesters who arrived in Clapham Common, some shouting "take your freedom back".

Six police vans were deployed to the scene while officers moved the crowd of about 30 people away from the area.

Gathering for the purpose of a protest is not an exemption to the rules, the Met Police said.

One woman shouted from her car at the protesters "there's a pandemic going", while another bystander shouted "idiots".

One anti-lockdown protester, who was detained at Clapham Common park, said "I stand under common law, not maritime law and this is assault" as he was put into handcuffs by police officers.

A large police presence remains around Clapham Common station, but almost all protesters had left the area as of 14:00 GMT.

It comes as a "major incident" was declared as the spread of Covid-19 threatens to "overwhelm" London hospitals.

City Hall said Covid-19 cases in the capital had exceeded 1,000 per 100,000, while there were 35% more people in hospital with the virus than in the peak of the pandemic in April.

Time and time and time and time again has this narrative that there are no more deaths this year than normal been proven wrong. 2020 has the highest number of deaths in England and Wales of the last 30 years (probably longer but I only looked back to 1990). It’s most likely 2020 has the highest yearly deaths since the 40’s.

Your own narrative is hypocritical. On one post you’ll talk about how many more people are dying from missed cancer treatments, missed operations, suicide, etc then on another you’ll say deaths this year are no different to any other year.

Not arguing but just questioning......so is this post from Annis wrong?

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Time and time and time and time again has this narrative that there are no more deaths this year than normal been proven wrong. 2020 has the highest number of deaths in England and Wales of the last 30 years (probably longer but I only looked back to 1990). It’s most likely 2020 has the highest yearly deaths since the 40’s.

Your own narrative is hypocritical. On one post you’ll talk about how many more people are dying from missed cancer treatments, missed operations, suicide, etc then on another you’ll say deaths this year are no different to any other year.

Not arguing but just questioning......so is this post from Annis wrong?

Yes completely wrong and on the post several people corrected Annis and gave the correct figures. 2020’s deaths is around the 600k mark. Annis posted it without checking the numbers.
I’m 95% sure as well that that estimate is a genuine ONS estimate but from the start of the year before Covid was known about.

Police arrest 12 at Clapham Common anti-lockdown protest -

Twelve people have been arrested during an anti-lockdown protest in south London.

Police officers clashed with some of the maskless protesters who arrived in Clapham Common, some shouting "take your freedom back".

Six police vans were deployed to the scene while officers moved the crowd of about 30 people away from the area.

Gathering for the purpose of a protest is not an exemption to the rules, the Met Police said.

One woman shouted from her car at the protesters "there's a pandemic going", while another bystander shouted "idiots".

One anti-lockdown protester, who was detained at Clapham Common park, said "I stand under common law, not maritime law and this is assault" as he was put into handcuffs by police officers.

A large police presence remains around Clapham Common station, but almost all protesters had left the area as of 14:00 GMT.

It comes as a "major incident" was declared as the spread of Covid-19 threatens to "overwhelm" London hospitals.

City Hall said Covid-19 cases in the capital had exceeded 1,000 per 100,000, while there were 35% more people in hospital with the virus than in the peak of the pandemic in April.

And there you have it.....right on cue......we are now not allowed to protest about our lack of freedoms!!! The irony.....

Only an absolute clueless idiot would not be concerned about this......don't cry to me in 6 months time when you all realise you have been absolutely shafted, front ways, sideways and up your most prized.

Time and time and time and time again has this narrative that there are no more deaths this year than normal been proven wrong. 2020 has the highest number of deaths in England and Wales of the last 30 years (probably longer but I only looked back to 1990). It’s most likely 2020 has the highest yearly deaths since the 40’s.

Your own narrative is hypocritical. On one post you’ll talk about how many more people are dying from missed cancer treatments, missed operations, suicide, etc then on another you’ll say deaths this year are no different to any other year.

Not arguing but just questioning......so is this post from Annis wrong?

Yes completely wrong and on the post several people corrected Annis and gave the correct figures. 2020’s deaths is around the 600k mark. Annis posted it without checking the numbers.
I’m 95% sure as well that that estimate is a genuine ONS estimate but from the start of the year before Covid was known about.

Thanks WCB for the clarification....and I will take you at your word.

Time and time and time and time again has this narrative that there are no more deaths this year than normal been proven wrong. 2020 has the highest number of deaths in England and Wales of the last 30 years (probably longer but I only looked back to 1990). It’s most likely 2020 has the highest yearly deaths since the 40’s.

Your own narrative is hypocritical. On one post you’ll talk about how many more people are dying from missed cancer treatments, missed operations, suicide, etc then on another you’ll say deaths this year are no different to any other year.

Not arguing but just questioning......so is this post from Annis wrong?

Yes completely wrong and on the post several people corrected Annis and gave the correct figures. 2020’s deaths is around the 600k mark. Annis posted it without checking the numbers.
I’m 95% sure as well that that estimate is a genuine ONS estimate but from the start of the year before Covid was known about.

Then why are the hospitals the quietest they have been in decades ? Even during flu season right now some hospitals (Not all) are not full by a long chalk. And I have seen this myself with my own eyes so don’t bother saying I’m must be lying because I’m not. Sad thing is I bet you are loving living under these conditions as well.

Time and time and time and time again has this narrative that there are no more deaths this year than normal been proven wrong. 2020 has the highest number of deaths in England and Wales of the last 30 years (probably longer but I only looked back to 1990). It’s most likely 2020 has the highest yearly deaths since the 40’s.

Your own narrative is hypocritical. On one post you’ll talk about how many more people are dying from missed cancer treatments, missed operations, suicide, etc then on another you’ll say deaths this year are no different to any other year.

Not arguing but just questioning......so is this post from Annis wrong?

Yes completely wrong and on the post several people corrected Annis and gave the correct figures. 2020’s deaths is around the 600k mark. Annis posted it without checking the numbers.
I’m 95% sure as well that that estimate is a genuine ONS estimate but from the start of the year before Covid was known about.

so you think the ONS estimate prior to covid was 561k deaths for 2020 ?

Time and time and time and time again has this narrative that there are no more deaths this year than normal been proven wrong. 2020 has the highest number of deaths in England and Wales of the last 30 years (probably longer but I only looked back to 1990). It’s most likely 2020 has the highest yearly deaths since the 40’s.

Your own narrative is hypocritical. On one post you’ll talk about how many more people are dying from missed cancer treatments, missed operations, suicide, etc then on another you’ll say deaths this year are no different to any other year.

Not arguing but just questioning......so is this post from Annis wrong?

Yes completely wrong and on the post several people corrected Annis and gave the correct figures. 2020’s deaths is around the 600k mark. Annis posted it without checking the numbers.
I’m 95% sure as well that that estimate is a genuine ONS estimate but from the start of the year before Covid was known about.

so you think the ONS estimate prior to covid was 561k deaths for 2020 ?

I would imagine it’s from before the March/April peak of deaths yes. I don’t know this for certain but I can imagine that due to our increasingly ageing population, increased levels of obesity, heart disease, homelessness, etc the ONS predicted 2020 would be deadlier than 2019. I can’t remember how bad seasonal illnesses were in the winter of 2019 but if November and December of 2019 were deadlier than most years that would again be a factor to assume 2020 would’ve had a higher death rate due to the increased January and February deaths.

561k isn’t an absurd estimate. Several years in the 1990’s had death rates as high as that, 1993 saw 578k deaths. A jump of 30k isn’t outside the realm of possibility either. 2014-2015 saw an increase of over 28k.

As I said it’s only a guess that the prediction of 561k was made early in the year but I think it’s a sensible guess.

Regardless of when the prediction was though the ONS has released the figures for 2020 and the actual number is around 600k deaths.

Time and time and time and time again has this narrative that there are no more deaths this year than normal been proven wrong. 2020 has the highest number of deaths in England and Wales of the last 30 years (probably longer but I only looked back to 1990). It’s most likely 2020 has the highest yearly deaths since the 40’s.

Your own narrative is hypocritical. On one post you’ll talk about how many more people are dying from missed cancer treatments, missed operations, suicide, etc then on another you’ll say deaths this year are no different to any other year.

Not arguing but just questioning......so is this post from Annis wrong?

Yes completely wrong and on the post several people corrected Annis and gave the correct figures. 2020’s deaths is around the 600k mark. Annis posted it without checking the numbers.
I’m 95% sure as well that that estimate is a genuine ONS estimate but from the start of the year before Covid was known about.

Then why are the hospitals the quietest they have been in decades ? Even during flu season right now some hospitals (Not all) are not full by a long chalk. And I have seen this myself with my own eyes so don’t bother saying I’m must be lying because I’m not. Sad thing is I bet you are loving living under these conditions as well.

That is purely anecdotal though. You may have seen quiet hospitals but I personally have a friend working in an ICU ward with 20 and 21 year old medical students due to how busy their ward is. Neither of our personal experiences are enough to make a sweeping statement about the whole country. My friend works in a hospital in the Midlands, one of the worst hit regions for Covid and if I recall correctly your experiences are from hospitals in Carmarthen. Carmarthenshire is one of the least densely populated regions in the entirety of the UK.

Secondly the issue isn’t with A+E or general wards being overwhelmed which is what I presume you witnessed, it’s the ICU wards as there is only an extremely limited capacity. A full ICU is what will kill people. It means stabbings, burn victims, heart attacks, car crash victims etc won’t be able to receive the treatment they need to survive. Regular wards don’t have the equipment to keep these people alive. If a regular ward reaches 100% capacity you can still treat broken bones, sprains, cuts, etc.

A hospital with 50% of their regular wards filled and 95% of their ICU filled will cause the deaths of way more people than if 95% of their regular wards filled and 50% ICU filled.

As for loving life what an absolutely bizarre statement. Just because I accept the restrictions I love it? Get a grip.

Time and time and time and time again has this narrative that there are no more deaths this year than normal been proven wrong. 2020 has the highest number of deaths in England and Wales of the last 30 years (probably longer but I only looked back to 1990). It’s most likely 2020 has the highest yearly deaths since the 40’s.

Your own narrative is hypocritical. On one post you’ll talk about how many more people are dying from missed cancer treatments, missed operations, suicide, etc then on another you’ll say deaths this year are no different to any other year.

Not arguing but just questioning......so is this post from Annis wrong?

Yes completely wrong and on the post several people corrected Annis and gave the correct figures. 2020’s deaths is around the 600k mark. Annis posted it without checking the numbers.
I’m 95% sure as well that that estimate is a genuine ONS estimate but from the start of the year before Covid was known about.

Then why are the hospitals the quietest they have been in decades ? Even during flu season right now some hospitals (Not all) are not full by a long chalk. And I have seen this myself with my own eyes so don’t bother saying I’m must be lying because I’m not. Sad thing is I bet you are loving living under these conditions as well.

That is purely anecdotal though. You may have seen quiet hospitals but I personally have a friend working in an ICU ward with 20 and 21 year old medical students due to how busy their ward is. Neither of our personal experiences are enough to make a sweeping statement about the whole country. My friend works in a hospital in the Midlands, one of the worst hit regions for Covid and if I recall correctly your experiences are from hospitals in Carmarthen. Carmarthenshire is one of the least densely populated regions in the entirety of the UK.

Secondly the issue isn’t with A+E or general wards being overwhelmed which is what I presume you witnessed, it’s the ICU wards as there is only an extremely limited capacity. A full ICU is what will kill people. It means stabbings, burn victims, heart attacks, car crash victims etc won’t be able to receive the treatment they need to survive. Regular wards don’t have the equipment to keep these people alive. If a regular ward reaches 100% capacity you can still treat broken bones, sprains, cuts, etc.

A hospital with 50% of their regular wards filled and 95% of their ICU filled will cause the deaths of way more people than if 95% of their regular wards filled and 50% ICU filled.

As for loving life what an absolutely bizarre statement. Just because I accept the restrictions I love it? Get a grip.

One ICU 30 beds and because of staff shortages they only use 20 beds. When they get to 18 beds it’s stated as near to capacity. It’s a staffing issue not a full to the brim issue. Now for the last four years I have seen my dad in and out of ICU and apart from this year he has had to wait in A&E to get a bed. This year he went straight in.
Lots of staff were furloughed last year. The whole NHS is in a mess not because of Covid because of politicians.

Teenager arrested over suspected illegal rave plan -

A teenager has been arrested and 38 fines issued over suspected plans to hold an illegal rave in Bristol.

"Bristol Freerave" was promoted at an undisclosed location on social media but "following intelligence" officers descended on Oldbury Court in Fishponds at about 20:30 GMT on Saturday.

The force said a "significant number of people" were in the area and 38 fixed penalty notices for breaches of Covid regulations were issued.

A man, 19, was arrested on suspicion of conspiracy to cause a public nuisance. He has since been released under investigation.