OT: DRAKEFORD 'LOCKS' WALES DOWN FROM MIDNIGHT TONIGHT!

If people actually took this seriously and stopped listening to bollocks on Facebook and being selfish this wouldn't be happening.
Not the government's fault anymore it's the people

One simple answer to the idiots breaking rules put them up in the empty hotels for 10days with army keeping them in isolation! Do that soon stop others taking the piss with parties ect... did similar in Australia with students soon sorted out problem..
But one major concern is why are people who are supposed to be wearing ppe and taking extra precautions in work are catching corvid like the 9 in vaccine centre? Its same with police and health boards across Wales something is not right or people are not practicing what they preach?

It's quite possibly because half of the PPE we're given in hospital isn't worth shit... the masks as shown by the anmount of people wearing them in public aren't worth the effort of putting them on and it also depends on viral load. If your working with C-19+ patients for 12 hrs a day then your viral load is obviously alot higher than those who are working from home or are in a job with minimal contact or social distancing is more easy to follow.

There are few masks if any in nhs that dont meet requirements after all they binned £155m worth because never met standards? Or you saying that nhs staff just put on any old mask as dont care if catch covid or not? And talking about pe who work in a walk in clinic not itu

"Add him along with France's Italy's German Spain and every other leaders incompetency because all got massive deaths! Oh musnt forget drakefords 3k "

Wales - 3,000 dead in a population is 3 million 0.001%
England 60,000 dead in a population of 55,800,000 is approx 0.001%
Scotland 4,500 dead in a population of 5,400,000 roughly 0.001%
USA approx 250,000 dead in a population of 300,000,000 is roughly the same as above

Dont know the figures for other countries / populations but 0.001% death of population seems roughly the figure to date. Obviously the more people die in the future the higher the percentage will go up - thats if my maths are right of course - happy to be corrected #fagpacketmaths

"Add him along with France's Italy's German Spain and every other leaders incompetency because all got massive deaths! Oh musnt forget drakefords 3k "

Wales - 3,000 dead in a population is 3 million 0.001%
England 60,000 dead in a population of 55,800,000 is approx 0.001%
Scotland 4,500 dead in a population of 5,400,000 roughly 0.001%
USA approx 250,000 dead in a population of 300,000,000 is roughly the same as above

Dont know the figures for other countries / populations but 0.001% death of population seems roughly the figure to date. Obviously the more people die in the future the higher the percentage will go up - thats if my maths are right of course - happy to be corrected #fagpacketmaths

Never argue with people's figures sounds about right only pr have eith things is way desthscsre vountrdv ice you've followed things for any length of time you'll see there are two different ways they've used to count deaths plus other factors made up as go along? But crucially deaths are counted because got covid mentioned on death certificate not that they have died of covid? Which is different from other countries which is why we have higher rate than most countries..... anyway it us getting out of hand that us for sure

"Add him along with France's Italy's German Spain and every other leaders incompetency because all got massive deaths! Oh musnt forget drakefords 3k "

Wales - 3,000 dead in a population is 3 million 0.001%
England 60,000 dead in a population of 55,800,000 is approx 0.001%
Scotland 4,500 dead in a population of 5,400,000 roughly 0.001%
USA approx 250,000 dead in a population of 300,000,000 is roughly the same as above

Dont know the figures for other countries / populations but 0.001% death of population seems roughly the figure to date. Obviously the more people die in the future the higher the percentage will go up - thats if my maths are right of course - happy to be corrected #fagpacketmaths

Never argue with people's figures sounds about right only pr have eith things is way desthscsre vountrdv ice you've followed things for any length of time you'll see there are two different ways they've used to count deaths plus other factors made up as go along? But crucially deaths are counted because got covid mentioned on death certificate not that they have died of covid? Which is different from other countries which is why we have higher rate than most countries..... anyway it us getting out of hand that us for sure

I know it's very hard to get an accurate figure as different countries used different ways to count a death / cause - so that was the best I could do.

Personally it should be that if you die in hospital and had covid - then that's a pretty strong factor covid on the whole would have been the cause , same as if you had covid and died at home and had no other illness at the time of getting it - then pretty strong case that covid caused it.

"Add him along with France's Italy's German Spain and every other leaders incompetency because all got massive deaths! Oh musnt forget drakefords 3k "

Wales - 3,000 dead in a population is 3 million 0.001%
England 60,000 dead in a population of 55,800,000 is approx 0.001%
Scotland 4,500 dead in a population of 5,400,000 roughly 0.001%
USA approx 250,000 dead in a population of 300,000,000 is roughly the same as above

Dont know the figures for other countries / populations but 0.001% death of population seems roughly the figure to date. Obviously the more people die in the future the higher the percentage will go up - thats if my maths are right of course - happy to be corrected #fagpacketmaths

Never argue with people's figures sounds about right only pr have eith things is way desthscsre vountrdv ice you've followed things for any length of time you'll see there are two different ways they've used to count deaths plus other factors made up as go along? But crucially deaths are counted because got covid mentioned on death certificate not that they have died of covid? Which is different from other countries which is why we have higher rate than most countries..... anyway it us getting out of hand that us for sure

I know it's very hard to get an accurate figure as different countries used different ways to count a death / cause - so that was the best I could do.

Personally it should be that if you die in hospital and had covid - then that's a pretty strong factor covid on the whole would have been the cause , same as if you had covid and died at home and had no other illness at the time of getting it - then pretty strong case that covid caused it.

Your maths is way out mate. Your out by a factor of 100. 0.001% of 70 million would be 700. If only. Your figure should be 0.1%

"Your maths is way out mate. Your out by a factor of 100. 0.001% of 70 million would be 700. If only. Your figure should be 0.1%"

3,000,000 people in wales , 3,000 dead. Take the three noughts off the 3,000 and the 3,000,000 that gives 3 deaths per 3,000
Divide that again and it's 1 death per 1,000 - yep your right , 0.1% per infection results in death , so for every 100 people in Wales infected 99.9% survive (so far anyway)

I know if's a different % if you break it down in age groups etc

"Your maths is way out mate. Your out by a factor of 100. 0.001% of 70 million would be 700. If only. Your figure should be 0.1%"

3,000,000 people in wales , 3,000 dead. Take the three noughts off the 3,000 and the 3,000,000 that gives 3 deaths per 3,000
Divide that again and it's 1 death per 1,000 - yep your right , 0.1% per infection results in death , so for every 100 people in Wales infected 99.9% survive (so far anyway)

I know if's a different % if you break it down in age groups etc

No offence mate but your maths is shocking. 117k cases in Wales and 3k deaths means ~2.5% of infections result in death.
For every 100 people infected in Wales 97.5% survive.

"Your maths is way out mate. Your out by a factor of 100. 0.001% of 70 million would be 700. If only. Your figure should be 0.1%"

3,000,000 people in wales , 3,000 dead. Take the three noughts off the 3,000 and the 3,000,000 that gives 3 deaths per 3,000
Divide that again and it's 1 death per 1,000 - yep your right , 0.1% per infection results in death , so for every 100 people in Wales infected 99.9% survive (so far anyway)

I know if's a different % if you break it down in age groups etc

No offence mate but your maths is shocking. 117k cases in Wales and 3k deaths means ~2.5% of infections result in death.
For every 100 people infected in Wales 97.5% survive.

Im off for a glass of wine and an early night - i did say #fagpacketmaths though

Some great maths on here.
Looks good on paper.
The only figures we need to know is the spare capacity. of acute illness beds.
How many hospital staff are available to staff the beds..
Our hospitals would struggle to cope with a mainline train crash. Yet they are expected to shit wonders during this pandemic
My step daughter is a District nurse.
She is in a team of 3. .2 are off sick.
My step daughter will have to work on a covid recovery ward..
Staff have had enough.
Staff off sick because they are shit scared of getting covid.

And people said you cant cancel xmas when I asked question a couple of months ago? Well may as well been cancelled it will be me the other half and the cat for xmas dinner !
Bet lots people without presents because last minute shopping is off the agenda.

I cancelled Christmas weeks ago

"Your maths is way out mate. Your out by a factor of 100. 0.001% of 70 million would be 700. If only. Your figure should be 0.1%"

3,000,000 people in wales , 3,000 dead. Take the three noughts off the 3,000 and the 3,000,000 that gives 3 deaths per 3,000
Divide that again and it's 1 death per 1,000 - yep your right , 0.1% per infection results in death , so for every 100 people in Wales infected 99.9% survive (so far anyway)

I know if's a different % if you break it down in age groups etc

You've calculated the proportion and then stated it as a %, hence the factor of a hundred. On a UK basis the population is 70 million rounded. 10% is 7 million. 1% is 700k. and 0.1% is the 70k who've " officially" died to date. 0.01 is 7k and 0.001 is 700. That's % of the population, not infections.

Some great maths on here.
Looks good on paper.
The only figures we need to know is the spare capacity. of acute illness beds.
How many hospital staff are available to staff the beds..
Our hospitals would struggle to cope with a mainline train crash. Yet they are expected to shit wonders during this pandemic
My step daughter is a District nurse.
She is in a team of 3. .2 are off sick.
My step daughter will have to work on a covid recovery ward..
Staff have had enough.
Staff off sick because they are shit scared of getting covid.

We're so indebted to the staff on the front line dealing with this. How close are they to getting the vaccine ? My wife is NHS, clinical but no where near the front line. She had the first jab yesterday and my 85 year old mothering law who we moved up from Wales last year following a stroke had it on Wednesday. Lets hope all front line staff will have had it within weeks.

And people said you cant cancel xmas when I asked question a couple of months ago? Well may as well been cancelled it will be me the other half and the cat for xmas dinner !
Bet lots people without presents because last minute shopping is off the agenda.

I cancelled Christmas weeks ago

Cancelled mine 6months ago re arranged for march but now going to try make it for next xmas! !

And people said you cant cancel xmas when I asked question a couple of months ago? Well may as well been cancelled it will be me the other half and the cat for xmas dinner !
Bet lots people without presents because last minute shopping is off the agenda.

I cancelled Christmas weeks ago

Cancelled mine 6months ago re arranged for march but now going to try make it for next xmas! !

Was hoping on seeing my daughter and grandkids in London but now don’t know when

If people actually took this seriously and stopped listening to bollocks on Facebook and being selfish this wouldn't be happening.
Not the government's fault anymore it's the people

One simple answer to the idiots breaking rules put them up in the empty hotels for 10days with army keeping them in isolation! Do that soon stop others taking the piss with parties ect... did similar in Australia with students soon sorted out problem..
But one major concern is why are people who are supposed to be wearing ppe and taking extra precautions in work are catching corvid like the 9 in vaccine centre? Its same with police and health boards across Wales something is not right or people are not practicing what they preach?

It's quite possibly because half of the PPE we're given in hospital isn't worth shit... the masks as shown by the anmount of people wearing them in public aren't worth the effort of putting them on and it also depends on viral load. If your working with C-19+ patients for 12 hrs a day then your viral load is obviously alot higher than those who are working from home or are in a job with minimal contact or social distancing is more easy to follow.

There are few masks if any in nhs that dont meet requirements after all they binned £155m worth because never met standards? Or you saying that nhs staff just put on any old mask as dont care if catch covid or not? And talking about pe who work in a walk in clinic not itu

Unfortunately we do have to wear aby old shit they can get their hands on for the most part, the standard paper ones you see being sold in supermarkets for silly money. The 'Fit' masks such as you see in ITU are saved for AGPs only because of the costs of the filters. Both my partner an myself work in different hospitals using the same shitty PPE we've been given all the way through and she's just contracted covid for the second time despite being vigilant and using what's provided. I can't speak for the testing centre as my ward wasn't deemed high enough on the list to get vaccinated in the first round of vaccines but I do wonder the logic of not vaccinating those staff first.

And people said you cant cancel xmas when I asked question a couple of months ago? Well may as well been cancelled it will be me the other half and the cat for xmas dinner !
Bet lots people without presents because last minute shopping is off the agenda.

I cancelled Christmas weeks ago

Cancelled mine 6months ago re arranged for march but now going to try make it for next xmas! !

Was hoping on seeing my daughter and grandkids in London but now don’t know when

A total mess I'm seeing my daughter on xmas day as only time left to see her! And all drakeford can say is dont rush to shops?

If people actually took this seriously and stopped listening to bollocks on Facebook and being selfish this wouldn't be happening.
Not the government's fault anymore it's the people

One simple answer to the idiots breaking rules put them up in the empty hotels for 10days with army keeping them in isolation! Do that soon stop others taking the piss with parties ect... did similar in Australia with students soon sorted out problem..
But one major concern is why are people who are supposed to be wearing ppe and taking extra precautions in work are catching corvid like the 9 in vaccine centre? Its same with police and health boards across Wales something is not right or people are not practicing what they preach?

It's quite possibly because half of the PPE we're given in hospital isn't worth shit... the masks as shown by the anmount of people wearing them in public aren't worth the effort of putting them on and it also depends on viral load. If your working with C-19+ patients for 12 hrs a day then your viral load is obviously alot higher than those who are working from home or are in a job with minimal contact or social distancing is more easy to follow.

There are few masks if any in nhs that dont meet requirements after all they binned £155m worth because never met standards? Or you saying that nhs staff just put on any old mask as dont care if catch covid or not? And talking about pe who work in a walk in clinic not itu

Unfortunately we do have to wear aby old shit they can get their hands on for the most part, the standard paper ones you see being sold in supermarkets for silly money. The 'Fit' masks such as you see in ITU are saved for AGPs only because of the costs of the filters. Both my partner an myself work in different hospitals using the same shitty PPE we've been given all the way through and she's just contracted covid for the second time despite being vigilant and using what's provided. I can't speak for the testing centre as my ward wasn't deemed high enough on the list to get vaccinated in the first round of vaccines but I do wonder the logic of not vaccinating those staff first.

I volunteer with ambulance service and have daily contact with extremely
vulnerable patients often a physical contact and yet we are not classed as frontline even though we have direct contact with untested people and hospital staff! Yet I know of lots of people who dont have physical contact with people are having the jab?

If people actually took this seriously and stopped listening to bollocks on Facebook and being selfish this wouldn't be happening.
Not the government's fault anymore it's the people

One simple answer to the idiots breaking rules put them up in the empty hotels for 10days with army keeping them in isolation! Do that soon stop others taking the piss with parties ect... did similar in Australia with students soon sorted out problem..
But one major concern is why are people who are supposed to be wearing ppe and taking extra precautions in work are catching corvid like the 9 in vaccine centre? Its same with police and health boards across Wales something is not right or people are not practicing what they preach?

It's quite possibly because half of the PPE we're given in hospital isn't worth shit... the masks as shown by the anmount of people wearing them in public aren't worth the effort of putting them on and it also depends on viral load. If your working with C-19+ patients for 12 hrs a day then your viral load is obviously alot higher than those who are working from home or are in a job with minimal contact or social distancing is more easy to follow.

There are few masks if any in nhs that dont meet requirements after all they binned £155m worth because never met standards? Or you saying that nhs staff just put on any old mask as dont care if catch covid or not? And talking about pe who work in a walk in clinic not itu

Unfortunately we do have to wear aby old shit they can get their hands on for the most part, the standard paper ones you see being sold in supermarkets for silly money. The 'Fit' masks such as you see in ITU are saved for AGPs only because of the costs of the filters. Both my partner an myself work in different hospitals using the same shitty PPE we've been given all the way through and she's just contracted covid for the second time despite being vigilant and using what's provided. I can't speak for the testing centre as my ward wasn't deemed high enough on the list to get vaccinated in the first round of vaccines but I do wonder the logic of not vaccinating those staff first.

I volunteer with ambulance service and have daily contact with extremely
vulnerable patients often a physical contact and yet we are not classed as frontline even though we have direct contact with untested people and hospital staff! Yet I know of lots of people who dont have physical contact with people are having the jab?

I'm with C&V, they decided to divvy up the vaccinations based on contact so A&E, MAU etc first, covid wards as well and then it was going to be assessed when more vaccines came in. I'm unsure how it's working elsewhere but I do know that the number was leaked by certain areas meaning some staff booked their vac without being instructed to (I probably would of done the same in their position in fairness) meaning some people who either are jn 'green zones' or have zero contact ended up with jabs before other more frontline staff such as yourself.

Well Well Well - Where do we start with this !!! Worked a 12 hour shift today and took time out to watch Boris - Then ....

Breaking WALES On a Lockdown or whatever you want to call it from Midnight - Now

Timelines - That's what I follow - So why on Monday 1 in 5 tested gets tested positive in Wales - Nothing done ?

Now this Clueless Clown - told us all the plan - On Wednesday 3 days later it changes - The facts were there Monday.
Or they had them to hand before that - Take a look at the Covid Update Thread - It's ALL ON THERE

People now going to panic - shopping - xmas - work - and the main 1 for me New Year ( Love to party This Country )
Not got a clue any of them - Blind leading the Blind - Sadly

Serious question

Everybody is abusing the government for there handling of this situation but not a single country in the world has beaten this virus no matter what they try .

What is it that the government should be doing ?
Lockdown - people won't comply
Ignore it - spirals out of control
Fire breaks - people go bankrupt

If the public do not comply with simple rules we have absolutely no chance of getting rid of this virus. Personally I think it will take a world wide lockdown with mo travelling whatsoever for probably 2 months to get rid of it

They are trying to beat it and dont want to lockdown but what choice do they have in reality

Thomas, I agree that every nation has got this badly wrong.

And while all of the below is easier with hindsight, but my two-pence worth they could have...

1) At the end of the first lockdown put their hands up and say we based our response on poor modelling and over-reacted as as did most other nations in a media-led frenzy where every leader played an international game of Chinese whispers and panicked.

2) Fired Neil Ferguson and fired whoever thought it was a good idea listening to the man who got predicted:

50K people could die of foot and mouth - less than 200 people died but 11 million livestock were slaughtered. (2001)
50K people would die from mad cow disease - 177 people died. (2002)
150M could die from bird flu - 282 people died (2005)
65K people would die of swine flu - 457 people died (2009)

Also while we're at it ask Ferguson why he used 13-year-old code, related to influenza outbreak not coronavirus outbreak for his tabloid-style modelling and why he refused to share that code for appraisal with other analysts.

Then have him exiled to Swansea for crimes against humanity/mathematics.

3) Have shifted gears from trying to keep the mass population under draconian restrictions which were never going to be obeyed and would sow massive divides within communities, and moved towards protecting the vulnerable while reopening the economy and getting on with life for everybody else.

The avoidance of grinding the economy to an essential standstill for nearly 8 months, the lack of extended furlough and subsidies and the investment in wasted white elephant nightingale hospitals would more than mitigate the cost of providing world-class health and wellbeing services to the population that would fall into a vulnerable category. (for sake of arguments say 30% as over 70s are 23% of the population of UK)

Utilised the 111 system for first-tier triage of issues, kept as many who had mild symptoms/were asymptomatic away from the NHS as possible and again re-emphasise that this virus actually has a very low mortality rate and emergency medical attention should only be sought if conditions are dramatic worsen (this is exactly the approach we took for Swine Flu and Avian flu)

4) Westminister should have issued an emergency order removing devolved powers from Wales, N.I and Scotland to keep all coronavirus approaches within one budget and within one approach.

At the same time, they should have initiated a series of monthly open review meetings, broadcast on the parliament channel and online live without any editorialising and included a broader range of scientists than are currently in place to a far more robust and productive dialogue in which bad ideas could be challenged and o do so in a transparent way that would engender the trust of the public.

Also at the same time establish a cross-party "COVID cabinet" with representatives of all nations within the union and from all three major parties in with representation in Westminister, to form a working group to ensure that the pandemic and our handling of it isn't politicised and that the interests of the nation and the public are put before any party politics.

5) Replaced the constant media bombardment of fear with daily death toll numbers with an acknowledgement that the virus is dangerous for those within a vulnerable demographic but still not as delay as anticipated in the first wave and outline a program to protect those in this bracket (point 3) but stress that for the large proportion of the population the chances of dying having contracted the virus is exceptionally low and remains outlier deaths.

This would have avoided creating the mass-hysteria we now find ourselves in with people being terrified out of their minds.

I do also wonder how much the additional stress and anxiety may have on magnifying the impact of COVID19 on someone when they get as increasing evidence suggests a link to anxiety and immunology. The media have shown them to be nothing but hypocrites trading in fear in 2020 something we likely all new ahead of this but the mask has truly slipped this year, but the government has spoon-fed them the tragedies they needed to keep the cycle going, even if the metrics they were using to validate their hyperbole had to keep shifting.

6) Have been proactive in agreeing a pragmatic and honest way to identify COVID deaths with other nations, so learnings could be made from various approaches with actual meaningful data for comparison. Also at this point being transparent with the public as to what is classed as a COVID death and why/how they arrived at this definition would be critical, again to win the trust and support of the public in what they are doing and how they are leading not only our nation but a global effort resolve the situation as quickly as possible.

7) Treated the public with respect and intelligence to make decisions for themselves.

If you are vulnerable to the virus you will be protected. If you are frightened of the virus but do not fall within the protected status, allowances should be made by employers where possible to allow you to work from home. If you place a higher value on getting on with life, then it is your risk to take.


All the above would have taken true leadership though and I don't think there is a true leader left standing amongst the UK political class anymore.

Well Well Well - Where do we start with this !!! Worked a 12 hour shift today and took time out to watch Boris - Then ....

Breaking WALES On a Lockdown or whatever you want to call it from Midnight - Now

Timelines - That's what I follow - So why on Monday 1 in 5 tested gets tested positive in Wales - Nothing done ?

Now this Clueless Clown - told us all the plan - On Wednesday 3 days later it changes - The facts were there Monday.
Or they had them to hand before that - Take a look at the Covid Update Thread - It's ALL ON THERE

People now going to panic - shopping - xmas - work - and the main 1 for me New Year ( Love to party This Country )
Not got a clue any of them - Blind leading the Blind - Sadly

You forgot the plan was changed couple hours later from advising people over xmas to making it law the restrictions for xmas....

If people actually took this seriously and stopped listening to bollocks on Facebook and being selfish this wouldn't be happening.
Not the government's fault anymore it's the people

One simple answer to the idiots breaking rules put them up in the empty hotels for 10days with army keeping them in isolation! Do that soon stop others taking the piss with parties ect... did similar in Australia with students soon sorted out problem..
But one major concern is why are people who are supposed to be wearing ppe and taking extra precautions in work are catching corvid like the 9 in vaccine centre? Its same with police and health boards across Wales something is not right or people are not practicing what they preach?

It's quite possibly because half of the PPE we're given in hospital isn't worth shit... the masks as shown by the anmount of people wearing them in public aren't worth the effort of putting them on and it also depends on viral load. If your working with C-19+ patients for 12 hrs a day then your viral load is obviously alot higher than those who are working from home or are in a job with minimal contact or social distancing is more easy to follow.

There are few masks if any in nhs that dont meet requirements after all they binned £155m worth because never met standards? Or you saying that nhs staff just put on any old mask as dont care if catch covid or not? And talking about pe who work in a walk in clinic not itu

Unfortunately we do have to wear aby old shit they can get their hands on for the most part, the standard paper ones you see being sold in supermarkets for silly money. The 'Fit' masks such as you see in ITU are saved for AGPs only because of the costs of the filters. Both my partner an myself work in different hospitals using the same shitty PPE we've been given all the way through and she's just contracted covid for the second time despite being vigilant and using what's provided. I can't speak for the testing centre as my ward wasn't deemed high enough on the list to get vaccinated in the first round of vaccines but I do wonder the logic of not vaccinating those staff first.

I volunteer with ambulance service and have daily contact with extremely
vulnerable patients often a physical contact and yet we are not classed as frontline even though we have direct contact with untested people and hospital staff! Yet I know of lots of people who dont have physical contact with people are having the jab?

I'm with C&V, they decided to divvy up the vaccinations based on contact so A&E, MAU etc first, covid wards as well and then it was going to be assessed when more vaccines came in. I'm unsure how it's working elsewhere but I do know that the number was leaked by certain areas meaning some staff booked their vac without being instructed to (I probably would of done the same in their position in fairness) meaning some people who either are jn 'green zones' or have zero contact ended up with jabs before other more frontline staff such as yourself.

Also hewell dda was supposed to have priority lists for front line staff but the list left out actual covid ward staff .. result was people where passing on the nessasary info to anyone in the trust so that by time realised their balls up too late all vaccine was booked up..... I generally know about things that happen here (contacts ect) but I cannot find anyone who knows where the vaccine as officially been given in pembrokeshire...... In carmarthen and ceridigion yes but not here..... off to Morriston Monday will see if any news on us getting vaccine but wont hold breath that we are going to get it anytime soon!

Im afraid its all lost now . People just dont care or don't know what to believe anymore? So much fake news out there now.

Materialistic world we live in makes the lockdown adjustment so hard for people. People can not adjust to lockdown and make sacrifices, some have got genuine excuses. Mental health , physical abuse in the home are also a big worry.

Others are just selfish people who think they know so much more than the science people. Our freedoms and western way of life are our weaknesses to the spread of it.

People slag the nanny state yet people call on gov to be one. Surely we know right from wrong??

What a fu..... mess, Queens speech needs to be good one cause the British stiff upper lip is gone.

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Im afraid its all lost now . People just dont care or don't know what to believe anymore? So much fake news out there now.

Materialistic world we live in makes the lockdown adjustment so hard for people. People can not adjust to lockdown and make sacrifices, some have got genuine excuses. Mental health , physical abuse in the home are also a big worry.

Others are just selfish people who think they know so much more than the science people. Our freedoms and western way of life are our weaknesses to the spread of it.

People slag the nanny state yet people call on gov to be one. Surely we know right from wrong??

What a fu..... mess, Queens speech needs to be good one cause the British stiff upper lip is gone.

Didn't you know queens speech been cancelled microphone got covid and is in isolation!

If people actually took this seriously and stopped listening to bollocks on Facebook and being selfish this wouldn't be happening.
Not the government's fault anymore it's the people

One simple answer to the idiots breaking rules put them up in the empty hotels for 10days with army keeping them in isolation! Do that soon stop others taking the piss with parties ect... did similar in Australia with students soon sorted out problem..
But one major concern is why are people who are supposed to be wearing ppe and taking extra precautions in work are catching corvid like the 9 in vaccine centre? Its same with police and health boards across Wales something is not right or people are not practicing what they preach?

It's quite possibly because half of the PPE we're given in hospital isn't worth shit... the masks as shown by the anmount of people wearing them in public aren't worth the effort of putting them on and it also depends on viral load. If your working with C-19+ patients for 12 hrs a day then your viral load is obviously alot higher than those who are working from home or are in a job with minimal contact or social distancing is more easy to follow.

There are few masks if any in nhs that dont meet requirements after all they binned £155m worth because never met standards? Or you saying that nhs staff just put on any old mask as dont care if catch covid or not? And talking about pe who work in a walk in clinic not itu

Unfortunately we do have to wear aby old shit they can get their hands on for the most part, the standard paper ones you see being sold in supermarkets for silly money. The 'Fit' masks such as you see in ITU are saved for AGPs only because of the costs of the filters. Both my partner an myself work in different hospitals using the same shitty PPE we've been given all the way through and she's just contracted covid for the second time despite being vigilant and using what's provided. I can't speak for the testing centre as my ward wasn't deemed high enough on the list to get vaccinated in the first round of vaccines but I do wonder the logic of not vaccinating those staff first.

I volunteer with ambulance service and have daily contact with extremely
vulnerable patients often a physical contact and yet we are not classed as frontline even though we have direct contact with untested people and hospital staff! Yet I know of lots of people who dont have physical contact with people are having the jab?

I'm with C&V, they decided to divvy up the vaccinations based on contact so A&E, MAU etc first, covid wards as well and then it was going to be assessed when more vaccines came in. I'm unsure how it's working elsewhere but I do know that the number was leaked by certain areas meaning some staff booked their vac without being instructed to (I probably would of done the same in their position in fairness) meaning some people who either are jn 'green zones' or have zero contact ended up with jabs before other more frontline staff such as yourself.

Also hewell dda was supposed to have priority lists for front line staff but the list left out actual covid ward staff .. result was people where passing on the nessasary info to anyone in the trust so that by time realised their balls up too late all vaccine was booked up..... I generally know about things that happen here (contacts ect) but I cannot find anyone who knows where the vaccine as officially been given in pembrokeshire...... In carmarthen and ceridigion yes but not here..... off to Morriston Monday will see if any news on us getting vaccine but wont hold breath that we are going to get it anytime soon!

It's a sad state of affairs... understandable that everyone wants to get it done to feel safe but also sad that noone thinks about the ones which are more likely to need it first! Fingers crossed your able to get one sorted sooner rather than later though!

If people actually took this seriously and stopped listening to bollocks on Facebook and being selfish this wouldn't be happening.
Not the government's fault anymore it's the people

One simple answer to the idiots breaking rules put them up in the empty hotels for 10days with army keeping them in isolation! Do that soon stop others taking the piss with parties ect... did similar in Australia with students soon sorted out problem..
But one major concern is why are people who are supposed to be wearing ppe and taking extra precautions in work are catching corvid like the 9 in vaccine centre? Its same with police and health boards across Wales something is not right or people are not practicing what they preach?

It's quite possibly because half of the PPE we're given in hospital isn't worth shit... the masks as shown by the anmount of people wearing them in public aren't worth the effort of putting them on and it also depends on viral load. If your working with C-19+ patients for 12 hrs a day then your viral load is obviously alot higher than those who are working from home or are in a job with minimal contact or social distancing is more easy to follow.

There are few masks if any in nhs that dont meet requirements after all they binned £155m worth because never met standards? Or you saying that nhs staff just put on any old mask as dont care if catch covid or not? And talking about pe who work in a walk in clinic not itu

Unfortunately we do have to wear aby old shit they can get their hands on for the most part, the standard paper ones you see being sold in supermarkets for silly money. The 'Fit' masks such as you see in ITU are saved for AGPs only because of the costs of the filters. Both my partner an myself work in different hospitals using the same shitty PPE we've been given all the way through and she's just contracted covid for the second time despite being vigilant and using what's provided. I can't speak for the testing centre as my ward wasn't deemed high enough on the list to get vaccinated in the first round of vaccines but I do wonder the logic of not vaccinating those staff first.

I volunteer with ambulance service and have daily contact with extremely
vulnerable patients often a physical contact and yet we are not classed as frontline even though we have direct contact with untested people and hospital staff! Yet I know of lots of people who dont have physical contact with people are having the jab?

I'm with C&V, they decided to divvy up the vaccinations based on contact so A&E, MAU etc first, covid wards as well and then it was going to be assessed when more vaccines came in. I'm unsure how it's working elsewhere but I do know that the number was leaked by certain areas meaning some staff booked their vac without being instructed to (I probably would of done the same in their position in fairness) meaning some people who either are jn 'green zones' or have zero contact ended up with jabs before other more frontline staff such as yourself.

Also hewell dda was supposed to have priority lists for front line staff but the list left out actual covid ward staff .. result was people where passing on the nessasary info to anyone in the trust so that by time realised their balls up too late all vaccine was booked up..... I generally know about things that happen here (contacts ect) but I cannot find anyone who knows where the vaccine as officially been given in pembrokeshire...... In carmarthen and ceridigion yes but not here..... off to Morriston Monday will see if any news on us getting vaccine but wont hold breath that we are going to get it anytime soon!

It's a sad state of affairs... understandable that everyone wants to get it done to feel safe but also sad that noone thinks about the ones which are more likely to need it first! Fingers crossed your able to get one sorted sooner rather than later though!

Looking at it could be in 2nd round or 6th depends on GPs list for jab....I've no faith in ambulance service so dont expect much from them.... but like past 9months will carry on as "normal" taking usual precautions. #stay safe

This new strain is a God sent for Snakeford. With our figures far worst than the rest of UK he was under pressure to U-turn and cancel Xmas. Now he can use this as an excuse for total mismanagement of the crisis.

"Your maths is way out mate. Your out by a factor of 100. 0.001% of 70 million would be 700. If only. Your figure should be 0.1%"

3,000,000 people in wales , 3,000 dead. Take the three noughts off the 3,000 and the 3,000,000 that gives 3 deaths per 3,000
Divide that again and it's 1 death per 1,000 - yep your right , 0.1% per infection results in death , so for every 100 people in Wales infected 99.9% survive (so far anyway)

I know if's a different % if you break it down in age groups etc

'so for every 100 people in Wales infected 99.9% survive'. But you're using the entire population of Wales in that so you'd have to think that every person in Wales has had it.

Using data from coronavirus.cymru there's has been 120,432 cases and 3046 deaths. That gives a case mortality rate of 2.5% and then a confirmed survival rate of 97.5%.
2019 Wales population was 3, 152,900 so if everyone had corona virus and it maintained the 2.5% case mortality then 78,823 people should have die.

"Your maths is way out mate. Your out by a factor of 100. 0.001% of 70 million would be 700. If only. Your figure should be 0.1%"

3,000,000 people in wales , 3,000 dead. Take the three noughts off the 3,000 and the 3,000,000 that gives 3 deaths per 3,000
Divide that again and it's 1 death per 1,000 - yep your right , 0.1% per infection results in death , so for every 100 people in Wales infected 99.9% survive (so far anyway)

I know if's a different % if you break it down in age groups etc

'so for every 100 people in Wales infected 99.9% survive'. But you're using the entire population of Wales in that so you'd have to think that every person in Wales has had it.

Using data from coronavirus.cymru there's has been 120,432 cases and 3046 deaths. That gives a case mortality rate of 2.5% and then a confirmed survival rate of 97.5%.
2019 Wales population was 3, 152,900 so if everyone had corona virus and it maintained the 2.5% case mortality then 78,823 people should have die.

The death count numbers stink though, anyone who’s had an underlying illness and dies with C19 ( or detected in the blood in the previous month ) gets COVID on the certificate . Hypothetically if it entire nation got it the death rate would be a fraction of the 2.5%. Don’t ask me what the ‘right’ number is though .

"Your maths is way out mate. Your out by a factor of 100. 0.001% of 70 million would be 700. If only. Your figure should be 0.1%"

3,000,000 people in wales , 3,000 dead. Take the three noughts off the 3,000 and the 3,000,000 that gives 3 deaths per 3,000
Divide that again and it's 1 death per 1,000 - yep your right , 0.1% per infection results in death , so for every 100 people in Wales infected 99.9% survive (so far anyway)

I know if's a different % if you break it down in age groups etc

'so for every 100 people in Wales infected 99.9% survive'. But you're using the entire population of Wales in that so you'd have to think that every person in Wales has had it.

Using data from coronavirus.cymru there's has been 120,432 cases and 3046 deaths. That gives a case mortality rate of 2.5% and then a confirmed survival rate of 97.5%.
2019 Wales population was 3, 152,900 so if everyone had corona virus and it maintained the 2.5% case mortality then 78,823 people should have die.

The death count numbers stink though, anyone who’s had an underlying illness and dies with C19 ( or detected in the blood in the previous month ) gets COVID on the certificate . Hypothetically if it entire nation got it the death rate would be a fraction of the 2.5%. Don’t ask me what the ‘right’ number is though .

Thats how death recording works though.
If you had cancer and caught pneumonia and died both would go on the death certificate along with anything else you had.
Same with dementia, heart failure, any kind of deaths.